And, you’ve continued to denigrate him and countless others, including the black population in your area of Georgia, calling them names for accepting welfare and living in projects and not ‘rising up.’
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What were the names I used? I shouldn’t be angry at voters who support a man who won’t impeach? I live where I live. Would it be any better if it were a majority white population that supported a Rep that wouldn’t push for impeachment? It is always about race.

You’ve also claimed, in your very own posts of approximately 20 months ago, to be from South Africa, only to deny it later, and blame it on somebody else, or an oxycontin state.

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You have no concrete claim on that. All you have is innuendo. In fact your main strategy is to use innuendo.
Can you quote me on that, exactly?
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You’ve consistently railed against the political leaders of many African nation states, and attempted on many occasions to connect Barack Obama with some of the most vile of them all.
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Show me your proof of me connecting Obama with Robert Mugabe or anyone like him. Do you like Robert Mugabe? I can’t criticize bad leadership in Africa? Why not?

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(all of it being pure propaganda and total bullshit). Less than a year ago, you were signing the praises of Ron Paul, a KNOWN racist, (no matter how he tries to distance himself from that ideology) and you’re consistently sprouting bullshit conspiracy theories from the Alex Jones crowd. You’ve claimed to be Jewish at some point in time, but you sound to me like just another very bitter black man, who blames the world for your problems.

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Again you have no proof who I am. How do you know I am a black man? It is more baseless accusation. Can you name any major candidate like Ron Paul that would reverse the US Patriot Act, and get our troops back home? Even Robert Scheer gave his support to him. It is sublime desperation when I have to consider a Libertarian Republican from Texas for president, because Obama is running an imagined stealth campaign.

Now I don’t know if you’re just a racist, or crazy, (paranoid schizophrenic) or both and more.

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Again with your defamation. You are not a psychiatrist. You are using the mental case attack just as many political defamers have before. Every attack against me
is not based on any argument. They are character attacks.

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I DO know that you’re constant insults to some of those whom I personally consider to be very heroic Americans, (specifically John Lewis) are for me at least, very offensive.

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Again I have attacked John Lewis on his cozy relationship with Bush, and his refusal to submit a resolution for impeachment. You don’t see this for some reason. He may have been heroic back then, but he isn’t helping us out now. That has been my attack against him.
You are very vague about my argument against him. It is more innuendo.

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In fact, your angry diatribes are ALL offensive. So no, I don’t have any problems calling you out on that, anymore than I do with any other poster who is incapable of relying anything more than hate filled invectives, and I’ve yet to ever see a post from you that wasn’t totally negative.

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I have been very content specific about why I do not care for the political figures that you seem to venerate so much. I have tried to be truthful. You ascribe “hate” to every argument I make and as anyone can see you had used someone else’s handle and quote against me. You are not very fair, Cyrena.

Nor have you ever posted any links that are worthy of any discussion. You’ve gone on and on about Obama and the Bilderberg Group, with absolutely ZERO substantiation and any other bullshit of the moment, and then you skip to something else.
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I have a right to be suspicious of a man who waylays his press corp on a plane to Chicago right at the very time that there is a Bilderberg meeting in Chantilly, Va. Then he checks into a place right near the meeting. I have posted links. It is your judgment that you do not think they are worthy of consideration, but I have not seen you argue on the content of the links. It is just more defamation on your part. I am tired of you gas lighting me.

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Now you’re on to claiming that Obama and Cheney are related and both royalty.
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I said that their families lines came from nobility. And yes, they are distantly related. You can check it out yourself. What are the odds??

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Needless to say, that isn’t the only reason, but it speaks to his superior intelligence and political talents.
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http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/316024,CST-NWS-sweet28.article

• One of Obama’s stump lines is that the biggest obstacle he fights is not any of his rivals, it is cynicism. He used a variation of it during a reception he hosted at a conference here sponsored by AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Displaying a tin ear, Obama said that one of the enemies is not “just terrorists” or “just Hezbollah” or “just Hamas”—“it’s also cynicism.”

• The Tribune dug this up: Obama, in his memoir, Dreams of My Father, writes of a story in Life magazine that influenced him—about a black man trying to bleach his skin white. No such article could be found in Life or Ebony.

• Marking the anniversary of the March 1965 “Bloody Sunday” in Selma, Ala., Obama, speaking at a church, said his parents got together “because of what happened in Selma.” Obama was born in 1961.

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Obviously not something that you would recognize.

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Just listen to his gaffs, and then ask yourself, “Is that genius?” Also note that cynicism is related to terrorism in one of his speeches.

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We ALL know that the ‘war on terror’ is a fraud, and you telling us doesn’t make that any more or less true. You just can’t ever back up how or why you know this to be, and so you’re the fraud. Having already proved yourself to be an extremely loose cannon, (and you have the nerve to call Cynthia McKinney ‘crazy’)

When exactly did I call McKinney crazy? You are talking about a voice of truth!! McKinney is a big part of 9-11 truth movement. Perhaps you think she is crazy as well.

By voice of truth, March 26 at 10:04 am #

“If you lived here in the Atlanta area, you would know this crazy nut called Cynthia McKinney.  Her father, Billy McKinney, a GA State Rep, once pulled a knife on another rep, in the Statehouse, threatening to “cut” him!!  He is also famous for his speech of “That ain’t nothing.  The Jews have done bought everything anyway.  Jews.  J-E-W-S.  Jews!” This must be the genesis for Cindy’s hatred of Isreal as well.

Little Cindy is only following in his shoes.  She was voted out of office here twice, but can’t seem to just go away.  Anyone who would vote for her just because of her Iraq stance isn’t intelligent enough to even be allowed to vote. “

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That is not very honest when you conflate one handle with mine!! I do deserve an apology from you. You can search the truthdig archive all you want but you will not be able to find my handle with the claim that I called McKinney crazy.

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nobody is likely to engage you even if you did occasionally come up with a coherent thought that wasn’t hate-filled. Makes me think you’re refering to yourself instead of McCain on the fugue states of rage.

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Again guilt by association. You are a very dirty fighter.
All you do is use the word “hate”, but you cannot say anything specific. And it is a personal attack.

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You ignore my advice at you peril…

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Wow.  I am SO worried!  And I thought Fixed Noise attracted nut-cases to its blogs!

Cyrena, I notice you no longer put much stock in the nut-cases like Paracelus, Robert, or that way-out super-wacko, “Franker than Frank” who claimed to be a super-genius, a super-martial artist, capable of lifting a car, no a pick-up, off the ground,—a regular Mr. Incredible and Einstein all rolled into one.

I’m proud of you—and I don’t expect you to agree with me on everything either.  I enjoy your posts a lot more, even when I don’t agree.

Paracelsus,

Kind’ve like moineau, I call ‘em like I see ‘em and you’ve been sprouting this stuff for as long as I’ve been reading and commenting to this site, which is nearly 2 years. And, my memory is obviously better than yours, considering that my mind is relatively drug free. In short, you’re anti-EVERYTHING that represents any kind of order within any given society, and you pretty much stay pissed off at the world.

You’ve told us on countless occasions about your consistent, (daily) calls or appearances to your Congressman, John Lewis. And, you’ve continued to denigrate him and countless others, including the black population in your area of Georgia, calling them names for accepting welfare and living in projects and not ‘rising up.’ You’ve also claimed, in your very own posts of approximately 20 months ago, to be from South Africa, only to deny it later, and blame it on somebody else, or an oxycontin state.

You’ve consistently railed against the political leaders of many African nation states, and attempted on many occasions to connect Barack Obama with some of the most vile of them all. (all of it being pure propaganda and total bullshit). Less than a year ago, you were signing the praises of Ron Paul, a KNOWN racist, (no matter how he tries to distance himself from that ideology) and you’re consistently sprouting bullshit conspiracy theories from the Alex Jones crowd. You’ve claimed to be Jewish at some point in time, but you sound to me like just another very bitter black man, who blames the world for your problems.

Now I don’t know if you’re just a racist, or crazy, (paranoid schizophrenic) or both and more. I DO know that you’re constant insults to some of those whom I personally consider to be very heroic Americans, (specifically John Lewis) are for me at least, very offensive. In fact, your angry diatribes are ALL offensive. So no, I don’t have any problems calling you out on that, anymore than I do with any other poster who is incapable of relying anything more than hate filled invectives, and I’ve yet to ever see a post from you that wasn’t totally negative. Nor have you ever posted any links that are worthy of any discussion. You’ve gone on and on about Obama and the Bilderberg Group, with absolutely ZERO substantiation and any other bullshit of the moment, and then you skip to something else.

Now you’re on to claiming that Obama and Cheney are related and both royalty. What BS. Obama and Cheney are supposedly cousins 14 times removed, and that’s only according to Lynne Cheney. How the hell would SHE know? How does she have such access to such information about Obama, and what makes you think Cheney is any kind of ‘royalty’ other than in his own eyes? He isn’t. He started out working the electric grid in Wyoming, and he’s as diabolical as they come. He’s just an evil man, and that seems to be the authoritarian status to which you’ve aspired and failed.

The point that moineau makes here is the same thing I’ve been saying for nearly two years:

•  “..obama’s going to take the presidency (i pray) because he knows WHEN TO SHUT UP…”

Needless to say, that isn’t the only reason, but it speaks to his superior intelligence and political talents. Obviously not something that you would recognize.

We ALL know that the ‘war on terror’ is a fraud, and you telling us doesn’t make that any more or less true. You just can’t ever back up how or why you know this to be, and so you’re the fraud. Having already proved yourself to be an extremely loose cannon, (and you have the nerve to call Cynthia McKinney ‘crazy’) nobody is likely to engage you even if you did occasionally come up with a coherent thought that wasn’t hate-filled. Makes me think you’re refering to yourself instead of McCain on the fugue states of rage.

cyrena, i understand your point about the ptsd theory but i continue to think it plays a big roll in who mccain is, how he acts. the man cannot relax, unless, as shown tonight at the ny archdiocese dinner, when he’s on stage playing the comedian. many comedians have a history of childhood and/or other trauma and are masters of self-deprecatory humor. as my partner said, mccain missed his calling (and too bad for us). he was hilarious, funny and almost likable. tomorrow, though, we’ll see what you see, the self-obsessed, antisocial politician who has but one ambition: to win. i see myself in the above that being able to play comedian is not a particularly strong argument for the ptsd thing; i’m just adding it to the conversation. i also continue to have a certain naivety that sees some good in everyone… it gets me hurt from time to time, but i hope i never lose it. it’s keeps me human. i don’t see good in bush, cheney or rumsfeld and never did. they’ve done nothing in their lives to earn an iota of my respect.

paracelsus, what you want is for obama to become nader and thus unwinnable. we all wish obama could say some of the things you would like for him to say, but then, where would it get us? at less than 5% and that’s not going to cut it. obama’s going to take the presidency (i pray) because he knows WHEN TO SHUT UP. if you want to see an intelligent discussion on this same topic, see last night’s round table on laura flannigan’s grittv with victor navasky, publisher emeritus of the nation, Jill Nelson, the author of Volunteer Slavery: My Authentic Negro Experience, and Mark Green, the president of Air America and author of Losing Our Democracy. watch it and THEN let’s discuss. there’s an INTELLIGENT REASON behind his silence and conciliatory remarks. it’s because he’s going to PRESIDENT. okay, lay my “naivity” back in lap, if you wish: i still call ‘em as i see ‘em. ~lt

“(and undoubtably as crazy as W and McInsane…just without the money and the royal lineage that he seems to think he deserves)”

Obama is related to Dick Cheney. Both have bloodlines related to nobility. What are the odds that McCain who has noble lineage and Obama with the same sort of blue blood would both be candidates? What about that myth of the ordinary raw hewn individual born in a log cabin could someday be President? Do you think this is all coincidence? Strange that Cyrena can only issue insults toward me. She has no rational argument. She can only cast aspersions. I have thought of W as a moronic criminal and McCain as a Manchurian candidate with fugue states of rage. I have railed against the USA Patriot. As yet I have heard nothing from Obama on repealing it. Show me a statement of his supporting full repeal of the Patriot Act, the Warner Military Commissions Act, or the Homeland Security Agency. “Change,” he says. I just want my dollar back.

Here is his fact check statement:

Reality: Obama Has Consistently Said He Would Support A Patriot Act That Would Strengthen Civil Liberties Without Sacrificing The Tools That Law Enforcement Needs To Keep Us Safe

Obama Said That the Senate Compromise on the PATRIOT Act Was “Far From Perfect” But Modestly Improved the Original Law By Strengthening Civil Liberties Without Sacrificing the Tools That Law Enforcement Needs to Keep Us Safe. “

This is crap. The whole Patriot Act needs to be done away. Only a sheep would accept this proposition. The whole war on terror is a fraud, and yet you accept this charlatan as your candidate. Shame on you.

@By cyrena

You ignore my advice at you peril. Go vote for the two headed viper. It will do you no good, and possibly much evil that you will come to regret. The same evil exists as two bricks balanced against eachother. Their duality gives the arch its strength.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=UgMx2F41XD0

Look, we are going to occupied by a contingent of the US Army. While you are discussing trifles, the US military is preparing its forces against you in your own land. Your precious Obama has not said a word about this.

Laura,

I fear you give McInsane too much leeway for the ptsd. As you say, MANY of us have lived it, and many of us don’t even realize it until long after the fact. But we do. McInsane has no excuse in my opinion. He can drag out the torture experience all he wants, and I won’t deny that it’s awful, or that it would have had an effect.

But, that was long, long, long ago, and I believe the explanation that tdbach so excellently provides is far more correct. The guy was an ASSHOLE BEFORE he was tortured. His psychological profile is very similar to that of W, and that little prick (little george) was never tortured. So what the hell is HIS excuse?

There are sociopaths in the world, (have a look at Hitler) and W and McCain are among them. It’s that simple.

tdbach,

Paracelsus is SUCH a waste…(and undoubtably as crazy as W and McInsane…just without the money and the royal lineage that he seems to think he deserves). So, unless you just feel like entertaining yourself, ‘tis better to just treat him like the giant ‘typo’ that he is.

Those of the bitter blood need to be avoided for fear of infection.

i had one funny thought during the debate when mccain said that palin understands special-needs children better than anyone. then obama picked that up and said that we would have target resources toward research. mccain responded with the usual republican attack, “see how he wants to throw money at everything? you can’t fix everything with money!” and i wondered what a mccain/palin administration would do, faith healing revivals?

that typical republican drivel is what we will hear over and over now until the end of the election: obama wants to throw money at everything, obama is going to take you money, obama is going to raise taxes on the middle class and destroy our economy. the idiots will forget what bush’s tax cuts have done to our economy. tax cuts during a time of war: what a dichotomy!

today, all the “pundits” are talking about mccain’s intensity. i wish they would understand where that intensity comes from, as it is nothing new with mccain. they say it coming from his utter frustration and the polls that tell him he’s losing, but i think i have keener insight into this man, one that others have had, even in congress when several called for his medical records. i believe the intensity comes from years and years of untreated (or even treated!) ptsd. it’s a symptom of the illness, a hypervigilance that is unconscious and wrought with fear of re-victimization.

his crowds can identify because many of them have the same illness, some from war, some from domestic or sexual violence, some from a lifetime of poverty.

i can identify too, but my own experience tells me something different: such a man should not be president of the united states because he does not have the ability to be rational; his brain is too busy dealing with all the static of the ptsd experience.

someone should understand this and bring it to the fore of the mainstream news. they won’t, though, even if they recognize it, because it’s the rule that we can’t question “the war hero”. too bad. someone should continue to demand not only his civilian records but his va records. what’s the saddest thing of all though, is that mccain doesn’t even recognize it in himself, as evidenced by his wife’s answer about ptsd. they are really in denial. and too bad for all of us.

It is simple enough. I don’t like my government. I don’t care for these major DC politicians who use security, police and their supporters to violently quash free speech.If you vote for either one of these ruthless men for your il duche, then you will live through a nightmare.

Moineau writes: (and I thank you for this…from the bottom of my heart)

“..recently, these calls seem divided between pure and unadulterated hate speech about obama to visceral fear from, especially, women, old and young, as in “i’m really really afraid of obama becoming president. he might blow up our country.” (this was an actual call.) you could hear the sincerity of the fear in these calls and imagine the e-mails these women were receiving!..”

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I’ve been watching this phenomena as well, and I guess over about the same period of time…THIS is why we’re sleepless…you in Oregon, and me in So. Cal, and I know so many others across the land. This fear of ‘the other’ that began, (IMO) and has grown progressively worse in part because of the economic situation. Add to that the created Islamophobia, and the intended ‘class wars’ and this is where we are. I believe it has been purposely calculated, and it makes me literally sick to hear these things. More than anything is the utter frustration of trying to combat it, (which I’ve been doing for years now) and feeling like I’m pissing in the wind. It’s like having to do it one person at a time, and we’re no match for the email propaganda that spreads like wildfire. And it isn’t just email. There’s Faux news, Limbaugh, Hannity, and on and on.

Propaganda is so much more of a weapon than most Americans realize. It brings to mind a paper that I did not long ago about Genocide in general, and the part that propaganda played in the Rwandan genocide. It incites the worst kinds of fears and other passions. In fact, one of the many things that could have been done in the worst moments of that genocide would have been to disrupt the airwaves of the radio station that had these people worked up into an animal frenzy.

Meantime, last night my soon-to-be 7-year old ‘adopted’ grandson asked me if I could write his name on a piece of paper and ‘put it in’ for BarakO, (that’s what he calls him) because he wasn’t ‘old enough’. (to vote). He was very serious, and I felt such a deep despair, as I thought for the hundredth time that day alone, how important this is to ALL of us.  How to explain that ‘the system’ doesn’t count his 6 year old opinion, despite the fact that he has far better sense than so many adults? I couldn’t. I could only promise that I would encourage everyone I know who IS old enough, to vote for BarakO, and that he could write his own letter directly to BarackO, to let him know that he was doing the part that he could, to make sure that he is elected President.

Anyway, thanks for bringing this to our attention. As horrific as it is, it’s a reality that we need to be aware of, and we don’t have time to wipe out ignorance one person at a time. Maybe this will help reach more people.

Tdbach,

On the subject of assholes, I might provide some insight, for I have worked and associated with many over the years and let be known, there differences between a first-class asshole and a second-class asshole or just a plain asshole.  You may disagree with me, but McCain is an asshole of extraordinary proportions.  McCain may even agree with me, McCain is a hero Maverick asshole, which places him in a category all his own. Above the call of duty and all that.

@tdbach

Utter mindlessness

Paracelsus: utter paranoia

@Yours truly

“We elect Barack Obama and an overwhelmingly Democratic Congress.”

“We pressure our government into dismantling Empire-USA, demilitarization and decriminalizing the use of drugs.”

Bah! Ha, ha, ha, ha. How does one explain it all to you? The Obama has Brezynski as an advisor. This is the guy who wanted to convince the Chinese to support the Kmer Rouge, the thugs who dysgenicly killed off anybody who wore eyeglasses!  He gets 3 times the Wall Street money that McCain gets. You are dreaming! The SOB has voted right along with everybody else to fund the military. 

And decriminalize drugs??? These pirates wouldn’t have any slaves working in the prisons without the convicted druggies. Obama would probably do a “Nixon goes to China” on the drug issue. That means he will be extra hard on the poor and the minorities. I would hate to be a black man under Obama. Haven’t you followed the trends over the last forty years? God, we are going to be so hosed we will be foaming from the mouth and waddling like Jerry Lewis no matter which devil gets elected to office. It’s a bipartisan rape in store for us, because we can’t think for ourselves. We can only receive the opinions of others. If brains were compared to shoes we would be strapping on velcros in stead of shoelaces. This country is kerferkta.

@tbach

Utter slavishness.

Paracelsus: utter tripe

What we are seeing is the emergence of gangster politics. We will see political parties enlisting angry mobs to fight anybody they deem to be unAmerican or defamatory. There will be selective law enforcement. Dissidents with reasonable arguments will be threatened by the lunatics of Obama and McCain. These brown-shirts will be able intimidate and assault citizens who are only practicing their rights to free speech. The police will not care. It is possible for some dissidents to get seriously hurt, but the police will not care. Some dissidents will prosecuted for “criminal libel”. Soon enough Congress in the next session will be able to enact “hate speech” codes that would people in jail for telling a Polish joke in a bar or complaining about illegal aliens. Once laws like these pass, then there will be more laws that will criminalize more free speech as sedition and terrorism. We are headed for dark days no matter which major thug gets elected to the purple.

I’m a liberal. I like people. I look for the best in people. I really, really don’t like judging people in any way, because I know I’m at least as flawed as anyone. But I have to say, John McCain is a first-class asshole. And that was on stark display in last night’s debate.

What is most astonishing, as I’ve watched this campaign unfold and gotten to know the candidates better, is how much like Bush McCain is. I’m not talking about a policy comparison here, though, fundamentally, they’re both neocon deregulationists - the very stuff that has gotten us into this mess. I’m talking about what sort of men they are.

They were both spectacularly low-achieving, spoiled brats well into adulthood. They both struggled mightily, first to rebel against their namesake father, then to fill their father’s shoes. They both leveraged their inherited name to get by on a sort of bullying charm, with no apparent thought of doing anything substantive for themselves, their friends, or the world. Both prodigal sons supposedly transformed, one by being “born again,” one from being tortured, yet both came out the other side with the same cocky personality and same self-centeredness. The only apparent change was a newfound ambition to not only measure up to, but outdo their father.

Returned from Hanoi, McCain could never rise to the rank of Admiral, because he didn’t have the skills, temperament, or leadership to ascend a system where merits are at least as important as connections. So he went into politics, where image is all. Dumping an injury-hobbled wife for a wealthy heiress, he could buy most of the image he would need. Once into Congress, he could posture with well-chosen policy positions to carve out the rest of his image. In the end, he would be President - Commander in Chief, the admirals’ boss. Take that, Dad!

I imagine, if Bush had been denied what he surely thought was his rightful destiny to be crowned president, he would’ve displayed spasms of rage and disbelief similar to what McCain showed last night. McCain is coming to the realization that his “destiny” is only a dream. He now sees that he may NEVER measure up to his father, and it’s probably killing him – literally. But while the pathos of observing such a private torment in full public display may be overwhelming, we are very lucky that this is how it is turning out, that Obama is so much better a candidate than Gore or Kerry were.

Imagine another four to eight years of a man playing out his psychodrama with our blood and treasure. I don’t think we could survive it. Better that John’s dream should perish than the founding fathers’.

i’m often sleepless out in oregon, and have been watching “washington journal” many mornings for the past couple of years. they split the incoming viewer calls on which the show is based among “support mccain”, “support obama”, and “others”, so one can get a very clear sense of where those groups are coming from.

the bulk of these calls from the right and many independents initially had to do with how our borders were not secure and how immigrants from mexico were ruining our country. the xenophobia rose until it was the body of almost every call. then it changed: there was the occasional call on the right that “obama is a muslim”, which was quickly corrected by the hosts. at some point, the hosts developed a new strategy, as the calls became more and more extreme (eg, “i just got an email from missionaries in africa, warning us that obama’s brother is member of an extreme terrorist group and that obama has been sending money to this group for years!”), asking where the caller gets his or her information.

recently, these calls seem divided between pure and unadulterated hate speech about obama to visceral fear from, especially, women, old and young, as in “i’m really really afraid of obama becoming president. he might blow up our country.” (this was an actual call.) you could hear the sincerity of the fear in these calls and imagine the e-mails these women were receiving!

mccain and palin must have been watching too, as they have usurped what has obviously been building for several years: the immigrant fear and hatred of the “other” became synthesized to fear of and hatred for obama. it is despicable that mccain has tapped into this whole xenophobic movement, playing off the increased economic frustration and poverty of spirit seen with increasing voracity. when you watch his rallies, and mccain moves from “terrorist pals” to “and i’m going to cut the capital gains tax…,” you can see in these 99.9% white faces a total blankness; the majority of these people do not even know what a capital gain is! someone yells out, “yeah!” and the audience starts whooping and clapping, it makes mccain look like a total creep! if he could only see himself as we see him. instead, he comes to the his “supporters” defense. how loyal he is! or palin, “i just love to read the signs and hear the crowd…”

the whole thing is pathetic, but it is also dangerous as the rhetoric coming from these callers and from at least half the posts in most newspapers and blogs becomes filled with hyperbolic speech and threats against obama.

while mccain is not responsible for the creation of the mob mentality, as evidenced over the past years on “washington journal” and other venues, he is certainly responsible for co-opting it for his own final ambition of becoming president. at this point if anything were to erupt into actual violence againt obama, he will certainly share the responsibility for this outcome.

All I know is…

Gayle Quinnell shouda at LEAST combed her hair!!!

Woo Wee…I hate to think what my grandma would’ve been saying about THAT!!!

I don’t like either candidate. I am voting for Obama only because of McCain’s past record as a Bush supporter. That said, I think we need to take a look at the fact that McCain and Palin are running a lynch mob campaign. They are not even being cute about it. The new McCarthyism of the ‘War on Terror’ has made it possible to appeal to the racism and hate inside of the white, well-off Americans and the Southern and midwestern Bible-belt people. Palin lies about Obama consorting with a terrorist to incite people to want to lynch the black man like they did 70 years ago. The mob is screaming for blood, and it must be ‘nigger’ blood; ‘Kill him’, as she beams on with her beauty contest smile. All I can think of is the mobs of Nazis shouting ‘Down with the Jews’ as Hitler beamed on. This is what America has become under Chancellor Bush. A Fourth Reich.

joel ichiro, October 13 at 10:42 pm

I’m not sure what you are trying to say here, but I suggest you look up the Wikipedia article on Bill Ayers. He is a fine man who long ago paid his debt to society for the folly of his youth and has devoted himself to social service ever since. He was officially voted man of the year by the city of Chicago in 1997. We should have a lot more citizens as good as Bill Ayers; this country would be a lot better off.

McCain’s supporters are reacting to signs of a coming social change, it is larger than just a president or congress members.  Most people even the ones who will elect McCain are tiered of the constant transfer of wealth upward , the prospect of dime future of endless war , the disparity between their Owen image of themselves and their country and what they hear and watch about torture spaying on citizens and massacres in distant lands. I dare say that even a McCain win will not stop such changes short of a very sever measures of control, i:e dictatorship.

LJ in MD

Maybe we could have a war of the gods like WW Wrestling, Obama’s supporters god up against the McCain supporters god and when they are done they can take on the other god,s all over the world.  Jessie Ventura can referee, it would be entertaining and save money. 

What a thought, then we could get rid of our military?

“By Big B, October 14 at 4:37 pm #

Ah, the night of the long knives, with an american twist!
Remember, we did feel bad about bombing Germany. We didn’t bomb Germany because of the holocaust, we bombed them because they were the only threat to american hegemony.(well that and the russians, who were muscling in on our action) “

And the USA and the Brits slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. Now it is illegal to make war on civilians - the law of armed conflict applies.

Ah, the night of the long knives, with an american twist!
Remember, we did feel bad about bombing Germany. We didn’t bomb Germany because of the holocaust, we bombed them because they were the only threat to american hegemony.(well that and the russians, who were muscling in on our action)

If I were Barry, I’d wear a suit of armor for the next 4 or 5 years.

In many places of the USA if you have an Obama yard sign in your yard expect your house to get busted windows. I have seen this happen. If you have an Obama bumper sticker expect your car to get vandalized and God help the fool who wants to wear an Obama T-Shirt. These things that the lunatic fringe do reminds of what happened in a small country many years ago. The Brown shirts would go around the cities and terrorize a band of people who worshipped the same God but had a different religion. If we are not careful this can happen again. A certain group of people should not be able to terrorize a another group of people just because of their politics.

Just today some fool told me that I was not a Patriot because I said that I am going to vote for Obama and I am in the military. Come on, just because a person chooses to vote his preference he is labeled unpatriotic? I have always voted Republican since Nixon but I have never seen this type of rancor before. Like I said the lunatic fringe is out in force.

Buckley resigned from the National Review after the editors put a fatwa on him for endorsing Obama so maybe he deserves more credit than he got here.

They’re not “Pro-McCain,” they’re “anti-Oblackmana.” Those ‘mobs’ would flock to any GOP candidate, and none of them would do anything to dissuade them, either. Of course.

McCain’s campaign strategy has always been to give EVERY white voter in Murka at least ONE “reason” (guilt-absolving and conferred with ‘plausible deniability’) NOT to vote for the Kneegrow…

Louise,

You comment on social security is very well stated.  What may bother them most is the first part of the name, the second part they do not care about, unless it includes them.  Society is not what they are about, you make that clear writing to McCAins comment on lobbyists.

Money in social security is money not in their hands, opportunists do not like such things as that.  They are like the bull running the fence, while the cow is in heat on the other side.  It drives them crazy, a very short road for them.

Them, means opportunists, all of them.

Being a senior, I’m a bit put out with the inference that we are all uninformed, unable to state anything clearly, or understand what theft, violence, bigotry and racism is. The lady who’s had far to many perms and seems to not own a hairbrush does not speak for most seniors!

Her problem is not age. Her problem is slovenliness. Coupled with limited brain cells. And I’ll bet she’s had that problem her entire life. Were her problem anything else, the caretakers would never have let her leave the home. I suspect McCain, seeing her age is close to his [that cant look good] took the mike to silence her, not to defend Obama. He saw in a nano-second, she is a reflection of his base. The best of the worst that his darlin’ Sarah has drawn out.

McCain unveils his economic plan today. I haven’t seen it, but I know as certain as I know I’m sitting here it will be a spin on taxes, the only “hit” word [besides terror] republicans freely use. Tax, taxed and taxes, aimed at us seniors. 

Watching McCain speak is very “taxing” on us seniors. Especially when he self-outrages at the corrupt abuses of Washington lobbyists. Duh, like he isn’t their gofer.
At the heart of every republican - young, old, mail, female and paid for press - there is an ugly reality. They truly believe we, the American voters, especially we seniors, are too stupid to understand intelligent, fact based information, unable to remember what he/they said yesterday, and are as malleable and easily manipulated as a cold wet noodle. Well I’ve got news for McCain. He is the cold wet noodle. We are smart enough to remember HE along with dubya TRIED to privatize the Social Security Insurance.

Had our Social Security Insurance money been put in the Stock Market, it would pretty much be gone by now. And if you think stepping up [finally] and addressing the DE-REGULATION that led to the greed that led to the runaway buying and selling of worthless real estate paper is expensive, ask yourself, how much MORE horrible would it be if the Social Security Insurance funds of MILLIONS had been wiped out?

Lots of folks are outraged about taxpayers bailing out Wall Street. How much more vehement would the outrage be if WE had to bail out US?

So, what does DE-REGULATION mean? It means getting rid of rules!

Pretend when you drive your car, there are no rules. You can drive on any side of the road you please, at any speed. All traffic lights will be removed. There will be NO stop signs, no yield signs, no exits or entries to freeways, you can use whichever one you want, for either way. If you try to cross a road, nobody will stop for you, they don’t have too. If you cause an accident, there are no rules so nobody is responsible. And, you can walk [or crawl] away from the mess, which will never be cleaned up, because nobody has too.

OK, I know. Lots of folks drive that way anyway. So, those of you who drive responsibly, focus on the possibilities.

Imagine the rules and regulations that make it possible to go out in traffic reasonably sure you will survive, have been done away with. The regulations that enforced the rules have been Dropped. Done away with. “D” as in D-regulated.

John McCain has a political lifetime of endorsing that “D” and calling for MORE D’s. The most perfect example of a corporate owned republican. Completely unable to see the consequence of DE-REGULATION.

Now McCain says, “friends, we must have REGULATION.” Leaving one to wonder, which McCain speaks today? The one who called for dumping the Social Security safety net a few years ago? The one who said he’s always supported MORE De-regulation just a couple of months ago? Or the same McCain who is for McCain first and will say or do anything to put his “selfness” into the White House?

If I could ask a question at the final debate, it would be:

“Senator McCain, what do you say to people like me, who believe YOU and YOUR policies ARE the problem?”

Too much in-breeding! I was amazed she said “Ah-Rab” and not “Eh-Rab”, like “Eye-Rack” instead of “Ir-rock”.

McCain the clueless, wonders around the land passing out dead chickens and ends up wearing them all around his neck.  Practicing Voodoo without a license, can come back to haunt you. 

Miss congeniality, his oozing sweet running mate, though expert gutting a Moose, has turned out quite inept and sloppy at biting off those darn chicken heads. 

McCain’s campaign goes, as has our nation down the cesspool of history. Greatness is between the ears of the beholder.  Crash McCain, like Bush are both a bumbling tragicomedy, except the audience is not laughing.

Is anyone asking just what it is that this rabid bunch of morons is going to expect of/from McCain if he does become president? What happens if he doesn’t “deliver” whatever it is they think he’s going to do for them?  Have they forgotten that the president of the US isn’t a king who can do as he pleases, even though it’s true that the Executive branch has more power now than ever before? I’m assuming they will want him to immediately step down and let Palin take over…and I do mean “take over.”

JFK,RFK, MLK, X and Lennon - Justifiably Or Not the Neo Cons will be held responsible for ALL of them,Should ANYTHING Befall Our current ‘Hope for the Future’, it will confirm what has been brewing in our collective psyche and they will feel the Wrath should another assasination occur.
As I am willing to place Complicty for 9/11 on Cheney,Rummy and Wolfies doorsteps, I am just as willing to place the Stratedgic MURDERS on their Whole party and their supporters!
NEVER AGAIN!
Cave Adsum

Deduction: Arab people are indecent.

The Republican Party has always been the party of fear-mongering and race-baiting ever since the period after the Emancipation Proclamation.
The party that helped free slaves from the abuses of slavery, was the same party that helped institute the Jim Crow laws that lasted for the better part of a century and were so ingrained into the psyche of America that the Democrats of the South and also the Republicans, stayed in power because of the inability of African-Americans to vote and use the ballot box to voice their opinions.
John McCain, has used the fear tactics just as he did in the 2000 presidential race, to no effect, and now with an attack dog with lipstick, who happens to be the dumbest bunny on the planet, giving voice to the fear and hatred that have not been resolved, they expect different results from the same and more of the same tactics? 
How absurd and inane of the Grand Orgy Party, to expect that the American people would allow some of the most vitriolic and caustic statements on the planet to go unanswered?  The McCain-Palin ticket are reaping the whirlwind of their own statements and, surprise! surprise! the results are not any different than before.
My educated guess, is that the backlash from the people of America, will elect Barack Obama, with a resounding defeat of the fear-mongering and scare tactics of the GOP, if not for the next two election cycles, but once and for all. 
Surely there are in America some people who can see the light of day and move beyond the politics of fear and hatred to a new and better form of government that is founded on the principle of equality under the law and justice for all.
High sounding words, aren’t they? but I read them again the other day, IN THE CONSTITUTION!
That is how much the Republican party can be trusted to adhere to the founding documents of our country.

Any student of history can tell you that after the JFK assasination, 51% of the people mourned unconsolably, while 49% cheered. We were a nation divided by class and color then, as we are now.
The lowest common denominator has always been the constant in our politics, our religion, and our society as a whole.
We are a mean spirited people, especially the first Tuesday in November.
It’s time we take a long look in the mirror.

And a word or two for anyone who lumps the exteme liberal left in with the neocon right. The left has never led this country. The closest time was during FDR’s administration. The extreme right has run this nation since 1968, hows that working out for ya?
The biggest problem facing the nation in this election year is that the dimmos are once again moving towards, and passed the political center, on their trip to the dark side, the right.
This year was the perfect opportunity to seize control of the government in the name of the left, and Barry, pelosi, and reed, have pissed this opportunity away! The coming economic malaise was the perfect time for the left to shine, to mix a little socialism in with our version of failed capitalism(you know, like nearly all the other big economic powers) The left could have taken this opportunity to be a shining beacon for hope in america, but the powers that be in the dimmocratic party have once again spent this election season repressing the left every bit as much as the right has.
As a liberal, I once again feel left out of the process, because neither party represents my views.
They don’t even try.

Re-emergence? I hadn’t realized that the power of the far right had gone away.

How much evidence does one need to come to this conclusion? The rich and the nutcases make up the McPAIN base. Oh I forgot, the NeoCON radio / TV hacks. Rush, Sean… the list grows by the day.

Personally, I would invite all who support McPAIN to move to Alaska with the new NeoSTAR, Sarah! Good riddance!

Please stop this nonsense.  The woman in the photo is 75 years old.  Only democwats would be afraid of her.  Come out from under your beds.  The mob has returned to their nursing homes.

Kathleen Hall Jaimeson (Annenberg School University of Pennsylvania, author of Dirty Politics) When asked whether it was dirty politics or negative campaigning to suggest that a United States senator is un-American and a friend of terrorism - The notion that we would impune the integrity of a person running for president on the other side,  question their patriotism is something that we all aught to step back from and say that is unacceptable; the evidence that one should have to mount to make that kind of case should be so clear and so overwhelming that it would persuade that person’s mother!!!  And for practical purposes those are charges that are out of bounds! 

The smears and lies about Barack are becoming more frequent, more outrageous, and more offensive.  While you and I know the truth, many undecided voters do not.

As I posted elsewhere, I sympathize with Buckley on this point. I am a left-winger who has spent as much time arguing against left-wing kooks as Buckley spent arguing against right-wing kooks. That includes a lot of the posters here; You know who you are, Nader voters who can’t distinguish between McCain and Obama.

McCain plays it both ways.  He fuels the fire and then backs off, knowing full well that his actions spread such misinformation.  Though the American public by and large remains willfully ignorant of the internal threats facing this country (such as the appointments of more conservative Supreme Court justices), it seems like these tactics of the McCain campaign are falling flatly and transparently, at least to those outside the ever-growing right-wing lunatic fringe.