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America’s Political Cannibalism

Posted on Oct 13, 2008
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The rage bubbling up from America’s impoverished and disenfranchised working class, glimpsed at John McCain campaign rallies, presages a looming and dangerous right-wing backlash.

By Chris Hedges

It is no longer our economy but our democracy that is in peril. It was the economic meltdown of Yugoslavia that gave us Slobodan Milosevic. It was the collapse of the Weimar Republic that vomited up Adolf Hitler. And it was the breakdown in czarist Russia that opened the door for Vladimir Lenin and the Bolsheviks. Financial collapses lead to political extremism. The rage bubbling up from our impoverished and disenfranchised working class, glimpsed at John McCain rallies, presages a looming and dangerous right-wing backlash.

As the public begins to grasp the depth of the betrayal and abuse by our ruling class, as the Democratic and Republican parties are exposed as craven tools of our corporate state, as savings accounts, college funds and retirement plans become worthless, as unemployment skyrockets and as home values go up in smoke,  we must prepare for the political resurgence of a reinvigorated radical Christian right. The engine of this mass movement—as is true for all radical movements—is personal and economic despair. And despair, in an age of increasing shortages, poverty and hopelessness, will be one of our few surplus commodities. 

Karl Polanyi in his book “The Great Transformation,” written in 1944, laid out the devastating consequences—the depressions, wars and totalitarianism—that grow out of a so-called self-regulated free market. He grasped that “fascism, like socialism, was rooted in a market society that refused to function.” He warned that a financial system always devolved, without heavy government control, into a Mafia capitalism—and a Mafia political system—which is a good description of the American government under George W. Bush. Polanyi wrote that a self-regulating market, the kind bequeathed to us since Ronald Reagan, turned human beings and the natural environment into commodities, a situation that ensures the destruction of both society and the natural environment. He decried the free market’s belief that nature and human beings are objects whose worth is determined by the market. He reminded us that a society that no longer recognizes that nature and human life have a sacred dimension, an intrinsic worth beyond monetary value, ultimately commits collective suicide. Such societies cannibalize themselves until they die. Speculative excesses and growing inequality, he wrote, always destroy the foundation for a continued prosperity. 

We face an environmental meltdown as well as an economic meltdown. This would not have surprised Polanyi, who fled fascist Europe in 1933 and eventually taught at Columbia University. Russia’s northern coastline has begun producing huge qualities of toxic methane gas. Scientists with the International Siberian Shelf Study 2008 describe what they saw along the coastline recently as “methane chimneys” reaching from the sea floor to the ocean’s surface. Methane, locked in the permafrost of Arctic landmasses, is being released at an alarming rate as average Arctic temperatures rise. Methane is a greenhouse gas 25 times more powerful than carbon dioxide. The release of millions of tons of it will dramatically accelerate the rate of global warming. 

Those who run our corporate state have fought environmental regulation as tenaciously as they have fought financial regulation. They are responsible, as Polanyi predicted, for our personal impoverishment and the impoverishment of our ecosystem. We remain addicted, courtesy of the oil, gas and automobile industries and a corporate-controlled government, to fossil fuels. Species are vanishing. Fish stocks are depleted. The great human migration from coastlines and deserts has begun. And as temperatures continue to rise, huge parts of the globe will become uninhabitable. The continued release of large quantities of methane, some scientists have warned, could actually asphyxiate the human species. 


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The corporate con artists and criminals who have hijacked our state and rigged our financial system still speak to us in the obscure and incomprehensible language coined by specialists at elite business schools. They use terms like securitization, deleveraging, structured investment vehicles and credit default swaps. The reality, once you throw out their obnoxious jargon, is not hard to grasp. Banks lent too much money to people and financial institutions that could not pay it back.  These banks are now going broke. The government is frantically giving taxpayer dollars to banks so they can be solvent and again lend money. It is not working. Bank lending remains frozen. There are ominous signs that the government may not be able to hand over enough of our money because the losses incurred by these speculators are too massive. If credit markets remain in a deep freeze, corporations such as AT&T, Ford and General Motors might go bankrupt. The downward spiral could spread like a tidal wave across the country, especially since our corporate elite, including Barack Obama, seem to have no real intention of bailing out families who can no longer pay their mortgages or credit card debts. 

Lenin said that the best way to destroy the capitalist system was to debauch its currency. If our financial disaster continues there will be a widespread loss of faith in the mechanisms that regulate society. If our money becomes worthless, so does our government. All traditional standards and beliefs are shattered in a severe economic crisis. The moral order is turned upside down. The honest and industrious are wiped out while the gangsters, profiteers and speculators amass millions. Look at Lehman Brothers CEO Richard Fuld. He walks away from his bankrupt investment house after pocketing $485 million. His investors are wiped out. An economic collapse does not only mean the degradation of trade and commerce, food shortages, bankruptcies and unemployment; it means the systematic dynamiting of the foundations of a society. I watched this happen in Yugoslavia. I fear I am watching it happen here in the United States.

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By Andy, October 13, 2008 at 9:44 am Link to this comment
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As Chris had mentioned above, the con artists and criminals have robbed us blind without the accountability that goes with it. How about our elected officials? At the recent fire in LA County, is the state of California stepping in to take the lead? The answer is No. At the press conference held during the fire this morning, the only responsible elected official was a member of the Board of Supervisor( . Where were the city and state officials? Is Arnold too busy fixing the state budget? As for Bush-Paulson, they are too busy dividing up the loot (Taxpayer’s money)

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By felicity, October 13, 2008 at 9:42 am Link to this comment

Years ago Nader took on Detroit and today our cars are safer as a result. Why he hasn’t taken on those responsible for our present environment melt-down is beyond me.  A politician he’s not.  A crusader he is.

Moving on:  I have to sort of agree with thebeerdoctor that Hedge’s ‘looming and dangerous right-wing backlash’ is a bit absurd. 

People, right or left, are pissed. The ‘right’s solution is to kick ass, never too specific that, and they think McCain’s an ass kicker. They and their type elected Reagan who they saw as an ass kicker.  (They were on react from America’s/Carter’s Iran embarrassment.)  McCain’s screamers are on react from 9/11 and our less-than-glorious-showing in Iraq. They’re loud, but as long as they’re not a majority of voters, we should just cover our ears.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 13, 2008 at 9:33 am Link to this comment

Hedges is a day late, a dollar short, and missing a key that is already preventing us from falling into the abyss.

First, I have been saying for YEARS that we are facing fascism from the Bush policies. I said 2 years ago that we were at the brink but the tiny edge the Democrats got in the House and Senate could save us…it did, but not by much as they rolled over on SO MUCH!

Second, this economic meltdown was something I saw coming in 2001, when Bush turned the surplus into a deficit BEFORE 9/11.  With a surplus, the US Govt doesn’t have to borrow money. With a deficit, it does AND it has to pay interest. As Bush and GOP spent us deeper and deeper into the hole I waited for the credit industry to gulp…with the sub-prime crisis it did.  FROM THAT MOMENT this meltdown was blatantly obvious.  ALL the pundits at the time said it would spread and spread it did.  Naturally, the Bush White House ignored it all until Bear,Stearns was about to go bankrupt.

Third, despite Paulsen’s incompetence, the Brits had a solution to save it, and now the Europeans are following the Brits, and, now Dummy Paulsen is at least smart enough to follow them too.  The result? The market is finally up again and credit should loosen up.

Yet we still stand on the brink of fascism.  McCain won’t live long and Sarah Palin is nothing but a right-wing thug, as legal opinions from Alaska attest to.  Hedges IS right that economic collapse can lead to societal collapse.  However, he’s very shallow because for that to happen, the fascist/revolutionary forces need to be in place—Hitler was agitating in the early 20’s—he didn’t just appear in 1933.  And Bush/Cheney have (as Hedges notes but doesn’t connect the dots) done the same thing now.

Do I think a Democratic sweep will save us? I don’t know.  Do I think a Democratic sweep CAN save us? Definitely.  There are many steps that can be taken, many of which are TOTALLY compatible the Dem ideals.  Now if only they can resist the urge to create all kinds of social programs….They FIRST need to reverse all the neo-fascist steps of the Bush years.

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By samosamo, October 13, 2008 at 9:32 am Link to this comment

Modern society has created WAY WAY too many people on this planet and somehow a correction is coming. And don’t look for any political, religious, economic, educational systems to help, in fact count on them to play a big part in a population correction because when the climate changes really start to reeking havoc the changes will be extraordinary considering there has never been 6.8 billion people on this small ass world using inadequate systems as mentioned above to placate and control all these people.

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By thebeerdoctor, October 13, 2008 at 9:31 am Link to this comment

re: Big B

“For mine own good,
All causes shall give way I am in blood
Steeped in so far that, should I wade no more,
Returning were as tedious to go o’er.”

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By Alan, October 13, 2008 at 9:04 am Link to this comment
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Re: Ralph, he should have run in the Democratic primary.  If you are in a state where Obama
could lose, vote for him and not Ralph (even
if it is a Janus-headed bait and switch game,
we cannot have this palid Palin idiot-ess in

Re: The status quo:
> I’ll have a pound of satus quo please.
>> Sorry mum all out of status quo.
> Well then I’ll have a pound o’ status quo ante.
>>Out o’ that too , mum.
> Well, have you anything at all?
>> Oh yes, mum, a dead parrot
> ‘ow much is it then?
>> two Pounds.
> All right, then, I’ll have the dead parrot
> on credit please.

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By Eric L. Prentis, October 13, 2008 at 8:57 am Link to this comment
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Sen. McCain is losing, prompting unscrupulous Republican neocons, such as the head of Virginia’s GOP: Jeffrey M. Frederick, to throw every slimy dirty trick they can think of into the presidential race. Democrats, fight tooth and nail not to be swift boated or Willie Hortoned. Go on the offense, use Christian radio to let evangelical voters know about Gov. Sarah Palin’s abuse of power ethics violation. For good government, vote for Barack Obama for president.

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By Leefeller, October 13, 2008 at 8:52 am Link to this comment

Even though I agree with Nader’s proposals, I accept reality and feel Nader is way to far to the left for a victory, he can only be a spoiler again.  Seeing Obama as slightly less hawk like with more intelligence compared to McCain is what has been selected and offered.

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By Big B, October 13, 2008 at 8:40 am Link to this comment

It is always a joy to read the blatherings of right wing on a monday morning.

The liberals in our nation have indeed helped cause the rise of the wacko right in the US, but it was because liberals refused to come into america’s homes, churches, and businesses and impose their viewpoints on the unwilling.

The wacko right wants to come to your school to order you to pray and to treat creationism as a science. They want to come to your house to take away your reproductive rights, and chain women to the bedpost and the stove, where they belong. They want to come to your workplace and take away your 40 hour work week, your healthcare, your pension(too late). They want to limit your freedoms of speech, expression, and above all, privacy.

Anyone who thinks a liberal won’t listen to the other side of the argument is just wrong. We have listened. We have listened for too long. The time has come to lead again.

Liberals have always hidden in the shadows, minding their own business, only coming out at times of national crisis, to remind people of our national creedo, and show them the way so that they might live up to it.

Things are pretty bad now. Religious and political conservatives have run this nation into the ground, both economically and morally. Repugs and dimmos alike in the post Vietnam/Watergate era have chosen the low road, and taken all of us down the path of war, torture, and massive debt.

I think it may be time for us liberals to come out and save the day once again.
But I fear that this time we may be too late.

as the sheriff shouted to both families at the end of Romeo and Juliet, “All are punish-ed, All are punish-ed!”

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By thebeerdoctor, October 13, 2008 at 8:36 am Link to this comment

Chris Hedges states: “The rage bubbling up from our impoverished and disenfranchised working class, glimpsed at John McCain’s rallies, presages a looming and dangerous right wing backlash.”
The absurdity of that statement in unbelievable, but considering that Hedges thinks he is doing the moral action by voting for Ralph Nader, this is to be expected. The die hard Nader fans buy into the idea that Ralph does not get anywhere politically because mainstream media keeps him out of the debates. Ralph Nader is not an unknown entity. I heard about “Unsafe At Any Speed” when I was a kid. Despite numerous appearances on the old Phil Donahue Show, and an hour long appearance with the late Tim Russert on Meet The Press, Nader is not getting more support because he is not being heard. No, people are just not listening.
It would take real work to establish an alternative party. Not so much so, if you simply announce every 4 yours, that you are running for president.
I think that Chris Hedges is proving that Saul Bellow maxim about it being just as easy to make a racket out of pessimism as it is optimism. Trying to compare someone screaming for Obama’s head at a McCain/Palin rally, with the rise of Nazi Germany is absurd. Maybe Hedges didn’t see the booing Governor Palin received at the hocket game in Philly.

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By Anarcissie, October 13, 2008 at 8:34 am Link to this comment

The way fascists have usually come to power in history has been not through elections or even mass uprisings, but through coups and other chicanery.  The people howling at Palin’s rallies are actually rather few in number, although they might be sufficient to staff a crude totalitarian state.  I think if Palin or even someone less lightweight were leading a separate party, we could ignore them; they’d never win an election.  Unfortunately there is the possibility that she will be elected along with McCain.  Given McCain’s election to the presidency, it is not difficult to imagine Hindenbergian scenarios in which McCain is eliminated and Palin and the fascistic forces she represents come to power.  Are they ready to unleash a reign of terror?  Well, thanks to Bush and his predecessors, the tools are available.  This might be a reason, even conceding that Obama, too, is a loyal adherent of the imperial-corporatist state, to vote for and donate to the Democrats.

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By Leefeller, October 13, 2008 at 8:25 am Link to this comment

Fahrenheit 451,

My emotion towards the war is paramount, and can be somewhat emotional for me, but I try not to be to get to excited when writing about it, for I have to watch my blood pressure.

You are correct, Chris is reinventing the wheel on TD,  another rehash, yes he does cover all that we already know, his article may serve others better than myself and you.  Maybe new readers?  Seems Troublesum is supporting Nader so he likes and feels the need of hearing reassurance of his own opinions.  Of course this is only my opinion of what Troublesum is thinking.

How we disagree may be more important, than disagreeing.

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By Folktruther, October 13, 2008 at 8:15 am Link to this comment

Fahenheit, while it is true that commenters at TD have been saying some of this kind of thing, the COLUMNS of TD are MAINSTREAM PROGRESSIVE.  Therefore when Hedges says it, it means tht the truths of commenters, which typically have been excluded from the mainstream progressive truth, is begining to perculate up.  Many progressives have been trying to tell the American people that the near future does not look good no matter who is elected, but when Hedges does it, the simple reality-based truth is beginning to go mainstream.

It has a long ways to go.  The American people still do not understand that we are being ruled by homicidal megalomaniacs who have declared war on us.  They are not only organized political criminals, they are ideologically insane.  THEY PARTIALLY BELIEVE THAT STUFF THEY ARE TELLING THE POPULATION.

This is apparent from the recent book by Melanie Klein, THE SHOCK DOCTRINE.  It is impossible to udnerstand what has happened to America, and the world, without reading it. (Thanks for pointing it out, KDelphi.)  I assumed, without thinking about it, that the US power structure was completely cynical, that they did not actually believe the things that they say in the learned and mass media.

This is politically naive.  A power structure cannot cohere without an ideology of some kind, as Orwell dramatized in 1984, and its irrationality and perverted values is distributed to the population in childish, simplified and distorted form.  Religious loonies actually believe in some sense the religious gibberish of the religious right, the power structure believe politically in some sense in Americanism delusions, they believe economically in teh absurdities of neoliberalism.

The American people must develop a counter ideology to defend themselves from the comming onslaught mandated by the shock doctrine of disaster capitalism. 

Here Hedges is quite right, This must be a spiritual or religious ideology that emphasizes human values. 

Power structures throughout history have hijacked religous doctrines to legitimate Divine and earthly power.  Consequently religous doctrines have typiclally been childish, irrational and replete with peverted anit-people values. 

But this is not a NECESSARY condition of spiritual ideologies.  It is possible to develop, out of religions now existing, a godless, reasonable ideology that lemgitimates a respect for people. ALL people.  As the historical ideological bagaage of traditional religion withers away, we will be left with a humanistic basis that can unite people against oppressive power.

This cannot be done without subverting the Western worldview that has legitimated liberal Democracies the past few centuries.  As the Western tradition decays, it may be possible to hatch within its bowels a reasonable spiritual ideology, or the outlined tenets of them, that may be acceptable to people all over the world.  As Western Freedom and Democracy is not, for good reasons. 

Hedges is one progressive who is working in this direction.  There are others as well.

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By nrobi, October 13, 2008 at 7:37 am Link to this comment

Mr. Hedges forgets one thing in this article, the penultimate book regarding mass movements and their inception is not the one named but the book written by Erich Fromm, Escape from Freedom.
I take exception to the premise that Barack Obama cannot change the outcome of the ensuing economic meltdown and concurrent right wing backlash that occurs. Barack Obama although bought and paid for by the very corporations and banks that have brought about this global economic crisis, does have one thing that gives him the edge over John McCain, he once was a man of the people and understands the plight of the working poor.
John McCain, has no such interest, and in point of fact cannot grasp the challenge that faces the country and the world because of the banking professions, no-rules, no holds barred investing of other people’s money without so much as a rule or regulatory oversight.
We, the people are now faced with the choice between a person who for lack of a better term, is in the pockets of the very people who created this firestorm of economic disaster. John McCain, is just such a person, although Barack Obama, is surely now part of the system, he still has an idea of what to do with the working poor and middle class, who have suffered the most under the neo-coms, rule for the past 8 years.
I, do not deign to call the people in the current administration conservatives, for they, in time of crisis, reverted to the time honored tradition, of bailing out their buddies, which if termed correctly is called socialism, or at best communism, the people in power right now have no idea of the depths to which they have sunk, to protect the elite and uber-rich, that have financed this disaster and the current administrations lack of courage regarding taxing the wealthy and saving the middle class from destruction.
Mr. Hedges places too much faith in the third party system at this time. His faith, although a good thing cannot stem the tide of the two-party system, given the facts at hand. In America, there is no viable third-party candidate at this time. Although Ralph Nader and his running mate, have all the right themes for their campaign, it will not get any air-time from the elite MSM. My, thoughts regarding Ralph Nader are not in any way degrading or false, regarding the platform of his campaign. Yet he will not stand a snowball’s chance in hell of receiving the nod for the presidency. I do wish that there would be a truly open and honest campaign in this country. The new president would be either Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich. For they represent the will of the people and have the credentials to stand up to the corporate shills that have taken over the Congress and the Presidency.
G-d help America if John McCain, is elected. He will not see the way out of the economic crisis, other than to tax the middle class more and to take away from the poor and working poor the benefits that they have, and give to his cronies more and more tax breaks that will have no effect on the rest of the economy.
Robert Reich, in a speech before the Commonwealth Club of Northern Cal. stated that there are two types of systems that are now at play, a trickle down system, of which we have had approximately 20 years of, or a bottom up recovery, that will empower the people to give more and to recover from this economic disaster with the homes and lives intact.
I am hopeful that the choice made for president is Barack Obama, if not there will surely be the type of backlash that Mr. Hedges describes, but it will be a backlash of the people not the wealthy elite helping to restore confidence in the banking system.

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By GW=MCHammered, October 13, 2008 at 7:16 am Link to this comment
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Dissolve both ruling parties by 2012 if they can’t get constitutional democracy right for the American people. American citizens and their posterity deserve better.

The rule of law falters only because too many lines are blurred. Too many leaders and institutions fail us. The new rules are the old rules. Justice Department, where are you?

“Anger is a prelude to courage.”
Eric Hoffer

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By RightWing, October 13, 2008 at 6:51 am Link to this comment
watch the vid, gives a good look at the liberal movement, You know the one , freedom of speech is OK as long as it agrees with me. you know the kinder gentler liberal, so lets not talk about how the McCain campaign is stirring up trouble with the redneck conservatives, why wont they show this in the msm, If it was an anti Obama party the msm would be all over it.

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By Da Bronx, October 13, 2008 at 6:23 am Link to this comment
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Hedges once again proves that intelligence and journalism are not always (or even often) related.

The melt-down of the 1920’s also gave the world Churchill, Roosvelt, Eisenhower, and some of the best books ever written.

The anti-semitism of the 30’s was always in Europe, Tsarist Russia had much against it other than unequal wealth, and it was the death of Marshal Tito which gave us Malsoivitch, Tito was a brutal dictator, BUT he kept his country under control, and unfragmented.  Maybe we should consider Malosivitch, Hitler, and the Romanovs as “stepping stones?”

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By Big B, October 13, 2008 at 6:12 am Link to this comment

Chris Hedges may want to more closely examine the role of his faith, a faith that is shared by many american conservative zealots, in his forseen downfall of the american empire.

The american view of christian entitlement may become the centerpiece of the slow economic collapse of the US. Mr. Hedges faith was supposed to keep us all honest through a life of service to your god and your fellow man. Americans have perverted christianity into a faith for the entitled.(but then again, we are not the first civilization to use religion as a political and social means to an end. But in that most american of traits, we have taken it to a whole new level of corruption)

Chris needs to realize that the religion he constantly admonishes in his pieces, is his own. American christians don’t just believe they are the chosen people, they know they are. With that kind of faith it should come as no surprise that no attrocity is too big for these people to commit in the name of their god, because they believe they will always be vindicated in the end.

If all of us reasonable folks think that a few abortion clinic bombings, or an Oklahoma federal building or two were bad, just wait. All of us could become collateral damage in the misguided christian war against evil.

Onward christian soldier.

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By eileen fleming, October 13, 2008 at 5:59 am Link to this comment

“HOPE has two children. The first is ANGER at the way things are. The second is COURAGE to DO SOMETHING about it.”-St. Augustine

“Reality leaves a lot to the imagination…Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we’re being run by maniacs for maniacal ends…I believe that as soon as people want peace in the world they can have it. The only trouble is they are not aware they can get it.”-John Lennon

In the 1930’s Christian Anarchist Peter Maurin warned US:

Modern society has made the
bank account
the standard of values.
When the bank account
becomes the standard of values
the bank account has the power.
When the bank account has the power
the technician has to supervise
the making of profits.
When the bank account has the power
the politician
has to insure law and order
in the profit-making system.
When the bank account has the power
the educator trains students
in the technique of profit making.
When the bank account has the power
the clergyman is expected
to bless the profit-making system
or to join the unemployed.
When the bank account has the power
the Sermon on the Mount
is declared unpractical.
When the bank account has the power
we have an acquisitive,
not a functional society.

Any economic system which places the greater value on the accumulation of wealth and negates the inherent dignity and inalienable rights of human persons brings US a sense of alienation, cynicism and hopelessness.

“We have entered into a new Dark Age in a century and culture of death, holocausts and exploitation of poor workers. To be radically right is to go to the roots by fostering a society based on creed,
systematic unselfishness and gentle personalism.

“To foster a society based on creed instead of greed, on systematic unselfishness instead of systematic selfishness, on gentle personalism, instead of rugged individualism, is to create a new society within the shell of the old.”-Peter Maurin

Maurin inspired Dorothy Day who advocated:

“One of the most costly protests against war, in terms of long-enduring personal sacrifice, is to refuse to pay federal income taxes which go for war…Wars will cease when we refuse to pay for them.”

Related Link:
The Stages of the Soul and How Religiosity/Fundamentalism is holding up Evolution

Eileen Fleming, Citizen Journalist and Founder WAWA:
Author “Keep Hope Alive” and “Memoirs of a Nice Irish American ‘Girl’s’ Life in Occupied Territory”
Producer “30 Minutes With Vanunu” and “13 Minutes with Vanunu”

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By TheRealFish, October 13, 2008 at 5:29 am Link to this comment


While I also have seen the direct parallels between the neocons and their version of fascism on the rise since the Reagan Revolution of the past 28-30 years (sadly without benefit of having yet read your book), I find your resulting reaction quite interesting.

On one hand you argue there is coming a “backlash” from the extremist-right. You then conclude that your own reaction is to make a protest vote for the extremist-left.

Granted: This revolution is polarizing. It is.

Your possibly-correct conclusion about the backlash and your own proposed voter’s reaction prove the point.

Still, I wonder that if liberal/progressives react by protest-voting Nader, does that not help insure that the extreme right neo-fascists will win in a close election? I only say that because, I believe, the extremes represent something like maybe 30% of the population on each side of the polarized divide.

The neo-fascists would never in their lives vote for Nader (they have Ron Paul).

As I just said, and even if such progressive/liberal protests gained totality of the polarized left, then McCain will win in a landslide instead of this being a merely relatively close vote.

Or, are you saying that the slide to a totally fascist state progresses regardless whether the top ticket winner is Obama or McCain? Admittedly, I am not clear on your position, though you say you lack faith in either party.

I simply do not, can not, see where that happens with an Obama win. This less-extreme choice seems to at least allow us all breathing space to put pressure on the new Democratic majority to roll back the DoJ to something offering more equal justice, to un-nail the Constitutional coffin-lid by rolling back the Patriot Act and un-sign the nearly 800 Presidential Signing Statements, etc.

I admit my own personal fear that by not choosing the less-extreme Democratic choice seems to make it a near certainty the revolution becomes completed through a McCain win.

We each must follow our consciences, and I would defend to the death all citizens’ right to do so. But also am glad this forum for free exchange has yet to be closed—as I fear it may be in allowing another four years for the neo-fascist revolution to find completion.

I personally appeal to theoretically logical, rational people to help stop our slide by making what may be our last realistic choice, and move away from the polarized extremes that almost surely remove the last viable non-violent options for restoring this country to its former self.

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By Fahrenheit 451, October 13, 2008 at 5:24 am Link to this comment


Farenheit 451
Please show me where anyone at TD has been “railing against” the notion that the value of human life is determined by the market. 

What? You’ve got to be kidding!  I never said that!  If that’s your game, distortion, then find somebody else to play!  I haven’t been posting here for years; more like months, if you want to know what I think, read my damn posts.  I have however been reading TD for years and just started posting a few months back.  I’m just too tired to deal with your mis-interpretation of my position right now.
I’m past the bullshit of 6 years of lies, propaganda, fascist rhetoric, war, threats of war, fiscal criminality, war crimes, human rights violations, etc., etc., etc!!! And finally the complete lack of personal responsibility by the majority of U.S. citizens!  Okay!!!

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By troublesum, October 13, 2008 at 4:58 am Link to this comment

Farenheit 451
Please show me where anyone at TD has been “railing against” the notion that the value of human life is determined by the market.  I seemed to have missed it.  Please explain to me your understanding that human life has a “sacred dimension.”  You say that you have been posting things along these lines for years but I don’t remember any of them.

“We are way past this…”  How can we be “way past” events which are still unfolding?  Did you mean that wrapping yourself in the Obama security blanket gives you a sense of being above it all?

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By Fahrenheit 451, October 13, 2008 at 4:41 am Link to this comment

Dear Chris,
Did you just wake up from an 5 year nap?  Many, if not most, of us here at TD have been railing against every point covered in your article for years, for gods sake!  Sorry, but I feel a wee bit insulted you’ve chosen TD for this opinion piece.  Way late and a dollar short.  We here are way past that now…oops, maybe I should only speak for myself, so change “we” to “I am”.  It would be better submitted to some MSM who never get anything right anyway.  Nader is a good guy, you go dude.  I would have expected more from you based on your past writings, but then go figure.  See you on the other side….

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