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Posted on Oct 9, 2008
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By Bruce Fein

At the conclusion of the constitutional convention in 1787, Benjamin Franklin was asked, “Well Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?” He sagely responded, “A Republic, if you can keep it.”

      In other words, the people are the stewards of the republic. If freedom is to flourish, they must be quick to rebuke government’s propensity toward tyranny, though their votes, stinging criticisms or protest marches. The whole purpose of government, as the Declaration of Independence states, is to secure “unalienable rights … [to] life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

In her Oct. 2 debate against Joe Biden,  Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin chirped, “It was Ronald Reagan who said that freedom is always just one generation away from extinction.” That observation reinforced Benjamin Franklin’s wisdom that a people who fail to repudiate monarch-like government from whatever source will lose their freedom. Echoing Reagan, Palin continued: “We don’t pass [freedom] to our children in the bloodstream; we have to fight for it and protect it, and then hand it on to them so that they shall do the same, or we’re going to find ourselves spending our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children about a time in America, back in the days when men and women were free.”

But if that tragic tale comes to pass, it will be because of the likes of Palin. On the basis of her comments in the debate, her campaign speeches and her interviews, it appears that she is undisturbed by presidential practices and theories of power that have crippled freedom.

In the 1970s, the disgraced Richard Nixon famously insisted that “when the president does it, that means it is not illegal.” Now Palin salutes the policies of a president who boasts that if he does it in the name of fighting terrorists, then it’s legal. Under that theory of unchecked executive power, President George W. Bush has authorized torture, kidnapping and secret imprisonments, flouted the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and prevented current or former White House officials from appearing before Congress to testify about suspected crimes.

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There was a time in America when the nation initiated war to defend its citizens from arbitrary impressment into the British navy. Now, Americans have been made less free by the president’s indefinite detentions of citizens as enemy combatants without accusation or charge or access to a lawyer.

There was a time in America when the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution was celebrated for prohibiting unreasonable searches and seizures and group search warrants to protect the right to be left alone—the most cherished right among civilized people. Now, the American people have been made less free through the president’s warrantless surveillance program authorizing the National Security Agency to intercept the conversations and e-mails of Americans on U.S. soil.

There was a time in America when waterboarding was prosecuted as torture to deter foreign captors from torturing American soldiers. Now, American soldiers have been made less safe by the president’s authorization of waterboarding of suspected enemy combatants. 

There was a time in America when government in the sunshine was the rule to deter executive-branch crimes and deceptions. Now, the American people have been made less free and less able to enjoy self-government by the president’s refusals to permit White House officials to appear before Congress to explain their actions and by his half-truths proclaimed to elicit public support for war.

And what is the Alaska governor’s public response to this assault on American freedoms? She stands on the political stump and applauds a corrupt ideology.

If Sarah Palin wants to avoid spending her sunset years telling her children and grandchildren about a time in America when freedom thrived over tyranny, she should vote against the McCain-Palin ticket.

Bruce Fein is a constitutional lawyer with Bruce Fein & Associates and author of “Constitutional Peril:  The Life and Death Struggle for Our Constitution and Democracy.”


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By KDelphi, October 13, 2008 at 11:45 am Link to this comment

ITW—I re-read my post, and I just do not see it as nearly as confrontatiaonl as you seem to have taken it. As for the “examples”, they are somewhat (not entirely < I dont think) anecdotal, and only served, or, at least, I meant them to, serve, as concerns I have about a system where “regulation is needed” but, never seems to be encforced, or “gotten around to”. We pass this or that, with the “full intention” of “fixing” it later. later never seem to come.

cyrena is correct, in that, just including other parties on a ballot would be uselses, without strong movement behind it. This could be corrected by a parliamentary system, with proporational represetntation, and a Prime Minister, who was not the Commander inChief. Please humor me as to why this could not work in the US.

Well, that is all I will be writing. A tree damaged in last months storm has just split and fallen through my roof and window. I am amazed teh eelctric is still on. Another part is sitting on the old guys next door’s roof. I dont know what the fuck I’m going to do. If my friend cant make it out to lok at it, and fix it, the county appraisers are supposee to be out nesxt week, to “re-assess” the value, and wil probably condemn it.

I guess whether anyone can help me out with it , wil depend on the stock mkt, because , if it stays up , maybe someone will loan it to me. I guess I’l just have to take yours (an the “American exceptionalist”) communities’ word for it that a multiple party system cannot work here.

I wil never understand why, things that work everywhere else, are always deemed “unworkable” here. Why dont people admit that they just dont want to do it.

Sorry I couldnt finish the questions I intended.

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By nobozos, October 13, 2008 at 10:46 am Link to this comment

It matters little to me that Palin’s handlers keep telling us she a smart woman.
She is not. Since her recent introduction to about 99% of us in the lower 48, it’s becoming more and more obvious just how ignorant she is about almost every thing. Much of it self-imposed ignorance.

Palin’s #1 problem is that she THINKS she’s smart

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By Inherit The Wind, October 13, 2008 at 3:46 am Link to this comment

KDelphi,

I must not have expressed myself clearly because you seem to have TOTALLY mis-understood me.

I never claimed nor would claim that all violations of law are equal or equally immoral.  Why would you think so?  We, as a society, rate the seriousness of crimes by the penalty we assign them, from fines, to community service, jail, prison or execution. Of course, sometimes that leads to bizarre discrepancies and injustices, like the kid shaving points in a college game getting a far longer sentence than an Ivan Boesky.

You point out that regulations for an investment counselor aren’t as great as for a cosmetologist.  Where did I ever say that was right?  Never. In fact, I DID say that deregulation is a HUGE problem and proper regulation is the business of government.

Europeans play as Socialism but they certainly have learned to avoid it in reality. The British nationalizations of the 60’s and 70’s were a disaster that HAD to be reversed.  They actually engage far more in regulation now.

I’m not going to discuss why a REAL multi-party system in America isn’t possible—I’ve been through that in enough posts explaining why it’s a consequence of our Constitution and “The Great Compromise”.

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By cyrena, October 12, 2008 at 11:00 pm Link to this comment

KDelphi,

On this…

“..There is certainly no main, organized group that is able to rival the duopoly. They usually cannot get on a ballot, but, so is the way of most parties in the uS…”

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I actually DO understand your point, but technically speaking, these so-called ‘parties’ DO exist, and they DO get on the ballot.

Thinking of just this upcoming election alone, there are SIX (6) parties represented on the ballot for president.

Now, on the surface, all of the complainers about the duoploy should be rejoicing. (I’m not one of them, because I’ve never even heard of the people on the ticket from the American Independent Party, or at least not the VP. The Prez candidate is Alan Keyes, (who’ve I’ve at least heard of) but his VP is somebody named Wiley S. Drake, Sr, and just the name gives me the willies. (no pun intended). I don’t know anything else about him, just like I don’t know anything about Barr’s VP Wayne A Root. (another semi-scary name). I know Cynthia McKinney well, and I like her well enough, but I’ve never heard of her VP selection either, Rosa Clemente. (Did see a photo of her though). Same with Matt Gonzalez, Ralph Nader’s VP. Who is he? He’s cursed by the name, since people stuck on linguistic association might see visions of another Gonzo Bush buddy that was appointed to be the AG, even though he’s never once tried a case in a court of law. (seriously…Georgies best buddy got to be a TX Supreme Court justice without EVER trying a case as a prosecutor or defense attorney in ANY court of law in the land). And then, he got to be the US Attorney General, and he’d STILL never prosecuted a case in a court of law.

So, the fact of the matter is that I’m just not sure how critical it is to have multiple parties, if they don’t actually stand for muliple principles. And, it would seem like SIX political parties should pretty cover every single principle there is, and leave a few for duplication.

That’s why I think this is all a lot of talk, without much else to back it up, and in the end, what CONSTRUTIVE purpose does it serve? I’m not sure that it’s even fair to say that many of them have been ‘coopted’ by the so-called duoploy, when in fact people like McKinney, and Barr, and Nader, have ALL been members of other political parties in the past.

McKinney was a Democrat all of her life, until she was not re-elected by her constituency last election. So only NOW, is she a Green. Who co-opted who? Same with Nader, who’s been everything under the sun and the moon in his 4 previous runs for the office. Bob Barr just turned Libertarian, since he was always a Republican. Here again, who is co-opting who? It’s hard to know.

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By KDelphi, October 12, 2008 at 10:20 pm Link to this comment

ITW—I suspect that we disagree on very little. Except that I do not think that NYC has a viable socialist or communist faction. Sure, there are groups—but they are often co-opted within teh Democratic Party, as “the lesser of two evils”. There is alot of consternation within them right now, over whether to support Sen. Obama. But, we could be talking about different groups, some of which call themselves parties. There is certainly no main, organized group that is able to rival the duopoly. They usually cannot get on a ballot, but, so is the way of most parties in the uS.

As I said, I think that a multiplicity of parties woudl be best. Different parties might differ alot , concerning what shoudl be “private” vs, what shoudl be “public”. I am not sure I understand the idea of privitizing areas that , I dont believe, competition woudl improve. But, youre right, who gets to decide? It is best if the workers control the corporation, to my mind.

Licensing is all good, but, when you find out that the “mortgage brokers” that sold alot of these subprime loans had fewer licensing requirements than cosmetologists (no offense to cosmetologist—you practice a service—brokers do not), and, the size of fees they took to lie to peopel, the whole idea of public necessities being bought and sold in the name of “private” services, brings up moral questions.

As to the law, I certainly agree that there shoudl be laws.I just dont think the breaking of all laws is morally equivalent. In our “justice” system,which seems to punish poor and mimnority people for very victimless crimes, and , yet, if you have money, you can do things like they did on Wall St, and , actually be rewarded. The privileged classes are not just useless—they are detrimental.

I do believe that class inequality is rarely based on merit,and , sooner or later, by encouraging competiton promotes division. The problem with this type of division, is that, the peopel at the bottom of the society, have little remedy or recourse,. I do not think that Unions in the US are very strong. They have , basically, been de-fanged. Reagan did all he coudl to make Unions lame, and it worked. Corporation s, rarely uphold thier union constracts these days, and, if they begin losing money, (rarely through problems of workers), the first thing ot go in capitalism is workers benefits.

If by “social Democracy” you mean, like the EU, I think that that would make alot of sense for the uS.I am not absolutely convinced tha, in the uS, the term “socialistic ” or “social” is not more a matter of semantics, in the US.. The uS seems terrified by thet term itself. I think , that, if they coudl live in a socialist (ic?) democracy (we would have to build the “democracy ” part, too), they woudl see that it is a much more equitable and representative system.

I suspect that very little wil change at all, unfortunately.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 12, 2008 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment

In any case, the path we have been following, is certainly no way to run a country. I think that we can all agree on that. If NOT Socialistic Democracy , then what??
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Well, I suspect you are right that most Americans don’t know what Socialism is, or Communism.

But North East?  Should be obivious.  NYC and its environs were/are the epicenter.

I’m not interested in a Socialist Democracy.  I think there’s a serious difference between Socialist Democracy and a Social Democracy that
a) Recognizes the difference between Public Goods and Private Goods and has NO problem or limits about allocating, controlling and PROTECTING Public goods for Society.  See, Air, rivers, aquafers, etc are ALL public and nobody has the right to over-exploit them or poison them for others.
b) Recognizes that Private goods are private, BUT prevents cheating and misleading where people can be hurt.  You can’t sell a poison as a tonic and claim “Hey! He should have known better!”  You have to see where “caveat emptor” applies and where Society needs to protect us from cheats.  When we don’t we get Enron.
c) Regulation and laws make society run smoothly—think traffic lights and drivers’ licenses.  There’s nothing fundamentally immoral about doing 50mph over the speed limit—but if somebody else is on the road there may be.  Yet few would argue that it’s not a crime, even when you don’t endanger others.  Doctors, drugs, even barbers and electricians have to be licensed.  All this is the proper role of Good Government.
d) Regulating commerce.  This is the from the original body of the Constitution.  But it also allows for the Government to develop and build infrastructure.  It can be the Brooklyn Bridge, or the Bridge to Nowhere.  But roads, railroads, canals, air lanes, air waves, waterworks, are all part of that infrastructure.  Under the last 27 years of Reaganomics, our national infrastructure is in the worst condition ever—while we squandered hundreds of billions in a war of “convenience”

So, rather than a socialist society, I see a role of Good Government.  Sure, it’s risky—27 years and 9 months have shown that.  But when it works, you don’t have to worry that your OTC painkiller has morphine in it!

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By Inherit The Wind, October 12, 2008 at 7:10 pm Link to this comment

In any case, the path we have been following, is certainly no way to run a country. I think that we can all agree on that. If NOT Socialistic Democracy , then what??
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Well, I suspect you are right that most Americans don’t know what Socialism is, or Communism.

But North East?  Should be obivious.  NYC and its environs were/are the epicenter.

I’m not interested in a Socialist Democracy.  I think there’s a serious difference between Socialist Democracy and a Social Democracy that

a) Recognizes the difference between Public Goods and Private Goods and has NO problem or limits about allocating, controlling and PROTECTING Public goods for Society.  See, Air, rivers, aquafers, etc are ALL public and nobody has the right to over-exploit them or poison them for others.

b) Recognizes that Private goods are private, BUT prevents cheating and misleading where people can be hurt.  You can’t sell a poison as a tonic and claim “Hey! He should have known better!”  You have to see where “caveat emptor” applies and where Society needs to protect us from cheats.  When we don’t we get Enron.

c) Regulation and laws make society run smoothly—think traffic lights and drivers’ licenses.  There’s nothing fundamentally immoral about doing 50mph over the speed limit—but if somebody else is on the road there may be.  Yet few would argue that it’s not a crime, even when you don’t endanger others.  Doctors, drugs, even barbers and electricians have to be licensed.  All this is the proper role of Good Government.

d) Regulating commerce.  This is the from the original body of the Constitution.  But it also allows for the Government to develop and build infrastructure.  It can be the Brooklyn Bridge, or the Bridge to Nowhere.  But roads, railroads, canals, air lanes, air waves, waterworks, are all part of that infrastructure.  Under the last 27 years of Reaganomics, our national infrastructure is in the worst condition ever—while we squandered hundreds of billions in a war of “convenience”

So, rather than a socialist society, I see a role of Good Government.  Sure, it’s risky—27 years and 9 months have shown that.  But when it works, you don’t have to worry that your OTC painkiller has morphine in it!

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By Newamerican, October 12, 2008 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment
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We keep self praising our country to be free and democratic. Look around you we have become like the Russians in the Cold War era.

We are be watched by our government, all our emails, phone conversations, bank accounts, etc are being examined we call ourselves living in a free democratic country, BIG BULL.

Wake UP everyone, unless and until we stop our elected officials from screwing us, we all are domed to become part of RUSSIAN RULE.

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By cyrena, October 12, 2008 at 5:28 pm Link to this comment

Louise writes:

“...I don’t like being right. I don’t like living through the abomination of republican fiscal policy leading to financial collapse, every time we’ve suffered through eight years, or more, of republican control. But there it is. And just as sure as day follows night it happens and it will continue to happen until the so-called conservative party separates itself from the control of the wealthy and powerful few. Obviously McCain-Palin have not got the intelligence or the strength of character to do that. In fact they are as incapable of recognizing the damage republican fiscal policy does to our country as the lame-brains who keep voting republican.

In fact I have to pause to chuckle, because I’ll bet most of those lame-brains don’t even know what the expression “fiscal policy” means…”

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Ah Louise,

More with the mind-reading. wink

I could have expected as much. You generally do read my mind, or maybe it’s the living experience. Whatever the case, I don’t like being right either. Especially these past 8 years.

Is that kind of like saying ‘I told you so?’ I think it is. And nope, I HATE saying ‘I told you so”!!

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By KDelphi, October 12, 2008 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment

I agree with most of what you say, ITW. But, I just have to say this—where in the hell in the northeast is there really any viable collection of “marxists”? Hell, there is not even a viable socialist party in the uS. There is no other civilized, wealthy nation where there are only two parties.

Pardon the phrase, but I dont think that most USAns would know a true Marxist or Socialist (I am neither) if it bit them in the ass. For most “Merkins, just suggesting socilized medicine, housing ,etc. send them into an “anti-Socialist frenzy”. Lets not reincarnate McCarthy, here.

By contrast, socialsits, marxists, etc, of every strip are included in the process in civiliZed socialistic democracies. They have the highest standards of living in the world, and, from what I hear, Latin Am. is not doing too bad, either.

In any case, the path we have been following, is certainly no way to run a country. I think that we can all agree on that. If NOT Socialistic Democracy , then what??

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By Inherit The Wind, October 12, 2008 at 3:10 pm Link to this comment

jackpine savage, October 10 at 1:32 pm #

Ah, be thankful; it’s not often that one gets to watch the momentous pivots of history unfolding. The rise of Sarah Palin will likely be recorded in history as the crystallizing moment of American fascism.

It’s all there and so stupidly obvious that i won’t waste bandwidth with illustrative examples.

The-real-truth,

Everyone is afraid of different things. For example, i’m afraid of fascism gripping my country; you, apparently, are not. You are afraid of Marxism and “socialism” (though i’m not sure that you could actually define either), while i am not.
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I can certainly define Marxism, Capitalism, Socialism and Communism.  I am afraid of them because they are based on fundamental flawed concepts.  However, I have grown up around lots of the Northeast Marxists so I am not frightened by them. There are two flaws with the overall philosophy of Marxism: one is that people don’t get rewarded for their work.  “Need” is the currency for consumption, not merit. Two, is who gets to decide who has “need”?

I am equally frightened of anarchical “capitalism” because there is no editing function to control the scoundrels and crooks—and short-sightedness.  We see the results now.

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By KDelphi, October 12, 2008 at 12:35 pm Link to this comment

As a Jill Six-Pack (only on good days), I demand to be called Jill “Big Bull Schlitz”!

I mean, who the hell can afford a six pack these days!

And, its not Belgium, like some Belgian Draft Horse or something’! Hey, did they get the horses too??!!

Cryin’ in my Schlitz

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By blainesmith, October 12, 2008 at 12:18 am Link to this comment

READ THIS CAREFULLY
So is the plan of Sarah Palin, a supporter and backer of the Alaska Independence Party (AIP), to wheel and deal her way into having Alaska become Independent of the United States and declare themselves a Sovereign Nation!!!
While Sarah Palin points fingers at Barack Obama and his relative bleak relationship with Ayers, accusing him of “Palling around with a terrorist”, she has hesitated to tell us about her GRAND PLAN and ULTERIOR MOTIVES.
Sarah Palin in the last year, along with her card caring member husband Todd Palin, was a featured speaker for the AIP, in which she said “Keep up the good work”. Well, exactly what is the founding and goals of the AIP. The website ( http://www.akip.org/ ) spells the matter out very plainly on the homepage:
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The Alaskan Independence Party’s goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:

1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State.

The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party’s founding father, Joe Vogler, which was for Alaskans to achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences.
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Basically, the comment that Sarah Palin made during her debate with Biden, regarding the increased power of the Vice President’s role in the Senate via the US Constitution is becoming increasingly clear. While the Constitution provides no more such authority, it appears that she may intend to at least try and overthrow our Country in some manner and declare Alaska as an Independent Nation. The pieces are starting to fit together slowly. This is also called “Treason” and is punishable by the Death Penalty. While they promote a lawful means, it would certainly help to have ‘Good Ol Sarah’ pushing the measure through and turning her State into a Nation of her own. Quietly overthrown the US and forget about all the money that the other 49 States have paid into the development of Alaska.
Let’s take a look at the founder of AIP, Joe Vogler, who was murdered shortly after his beginning attempts to try and have Alaska become Independent from the US. A true patriot of the US Government, Joe Vogler made the following remarks in 1991 in an interview which is now housed in the Oral History Program in the Rasmuson Library at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks.

“The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government,” Vogler said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP.

“And I won’t be buried under their damn flag,” Vogler continued in the interview, which also touched on his disappointment with the American judicial system. “I’ll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home.”

Volger also advocated renouncing allegiance to the United States. “And then you get mad. And you say, the hell with them. And you renounce allegiance, and you pledge your efforts, your effects, your honor, your life to Alaska.”

AFTER these comments, Todd signed up and became a card carrying member and Sarah started attending their conventions. In fact she addressed their convention this past March.
There you have it folks, Sarah and Todd Palin support having Alaska as an Independent Nation, advocate a party and founder who renounces allegiance to the United States. If that does not sound a bit like an overthrow and treason, I just don’t know what does!Seems Sarah pals around with people who don’t want to be a part of the United States and have renounced their allegiance.

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By jackpine savage, October 11, 2008 at 11:22 am Link to this comment

Maani,

I was thinking something similar when a local mob angered a cow with calf and the DNR had to shoot the cow. I thought, “golly, we talk funny round here, just like Gov Sarah; we’ve got moose wandering downtown streets, just like Alaska; and from at least one place i frequent i can see Canada.”

In other words, i can be Vice President too!

And what does Palin think of Buckley’s son endorsing Obama?

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By Outraged, October 10, 2008 at 8:06 pm Link to this comment

Re: Leefeller

I know, damn near fell outta me chair.  Just the type of experienced “official” I want second in command, but what the hell, a vote for Bush was a vote for Cheney…..ooohhh…that’s even more disturbing in print… anyway, Palin’s “qualifications” are readily apparent… top o’ the line…. second in command… whoa…breaker, breaker 1-9…let’s turn this rig around.

Not to worry…Palin reads….ah…ah…well all that “stuff”.  And like Maani says, “her proximity to Russia gives her special knowledge of dealing with them.”  You betcha.

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By Leefeller, October 10, 2008 at 6:14 pm Link to this comment

Gloria Picchetti,

You are correct, but I would bet you Bush doesn’t know how to spell either one correctly, so it really does not matter. 

Side note: We have one long time poster here on TD named Marshall, since he is a Republican, I did not want it to go to his head.

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By Leefeller, October 10, 2008 at 6:05 pm Link to this comment

Outraged,

Haylarryass, yes now I feel better about Pailn’s expericne, wonder what the PTA meetings were about?

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By Maani, October 10, 2008 at 5:51 pm Link to this comment

A couple of thoughts:

Palin rails against the liberal “elites,” and uses the word “elite” epithetically.  So how, exactly, would she describe William F. Buckley?

Palin says that her proximity to Russia gives her special knowledge of dealing with them.  Hey, I can see New Jersey from my window.  Does that mean I am ready to strike deals with it’s governor?

Finally, it might surprise you that Republican uber-strategist Ed Rollins believes that Obama will win in a landslide:

http://vodpod.com:80/watch/1073211-top-gop-strategist-its-over-obama-will-win-in-landslide

Peace.

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By Gloria Picchetti, October 10, 2008 at 5:34 pm Link to this comment
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Hey Leefeller, it’s martial law. Marshall Law is a law school in Chicago. Please do not half joke about calling bush an asshole. I always thought he would declare martial law a long time ago but now you are not so funny. Maybe it’s his plan to usher McCain and Gosh-Golly-You-Know in without an election. Martial law is more efficient than recounting all the votes when the republicans cheat.

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By LarryInLA, October 10, 2008 at 4:48 pm Link to this comment

In 1968, when Nixon beat Humphrey for the presidency, I told my parents that democracy means you get what you deserve. Now 40 years the cynicism born of watching the political system has returned me to the same definition of democracy that was spawned by my student revolutionary idealism. Democracy means you get what you deserve. If it didn’t happen in 2000 because the Supreme Court made the decision, it certainly did in 2004. God forbid a McCain-Palin victory; but if they prevail, it will be what we deserve for electing them.

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By Outraged, October 10, 2008 at 4:43 pm Link to this comment

The important orders of the day in Wasilla at the town meetin’.  Check this out. LOL

A Dramatic Reading Of Wasilla City Council Minutes.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/open-thread-0

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By Louise, October 10, 2008 at 4:39 pm Link to this comment

I made an offhanded remark to a friend last January that maybe he better go ahead and start his house now, instead of waiting another year. When he asked why I said because money’s going to get tight. He may not be able to get financing a year from now.

Why he asked. Because we are winding down to the end of eight years of republican fiscal policy. I replied. I tried to briefly explain the best lessons in life are learned by living through them and I have lived through a lot of republican presidencies. And if history’s lessons are to be believed, the availability of money will evaporate. He pointed out he had excellent credit and his lot for collateral, so he wasn’t worried.

Last week, I ran into him, and asked if he had started his house. No, he said they decided to wait until they saved a little more. “We waited to long,” he said. “You were right, were having trouble getting a construction loan. Money’s tight.”

I don’t like being right. I don’t like living through the abomination of republican fiscal policy leading to financial collapse, every time we’ve suffered through eight years, or more, of republican control. But there it is. And just as sure as day follows night it happens and it will continue to happen until the so-called conservative party separates itself from the control of the wealthy and powerful few. Obviously McCain-Palin have not got the intelligence or the strength of character to do that. In fact they are as incapable of recognizing the damage republican fiscal policy does to our country as the lame-brains who keep voting republican.

In fact I have to pause to chuckle, because I’ll bet most of those lame-brains don’t even know what the expression “fiscal policy” means. wink

I fear that will never change, because as long as people are to lazy or stupid or scared to acquaint themselves with the facts, they will go right on voting against their own best interests. I guess that speaks to some sort of self-loathing. I don’t know ...

Having said that, I doubt Palins hateful rhetoric or blatant ignorance will impact the election one way or the other. What counts is how many of those dumbbells actually bother to vote, and whether or not the elections are honest. Frankly whatever Palin or McCain says has next to no value, because they have both demonstrated several times over they are comfortable with a lie, have no use for remembering their individual honesty or lack thereof, or any factual history. When they open their mouths, they demonstrate they hold those they speak to in monumental contempt.

So in the end, it doesn’t matter what Palin thinks, because she is just one more lying republican who will sell her soul for a vote. I think she gets off on all that screaming from her audience. She doesn’t seem to mind they cheer in unison because she touches the lowest common denominator in mankind. Fear, hate and loathing. Thank God she does not represent most women!

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By troublesum, October 10, 2008 at 4:34 pm Link to this comment

Everybody can calm down.  The facist takeover has been cancelled.  Democrats come out from under your beds: http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/10/stop-the-presses

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By Maryanne Jameson, October 10, 2008 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment
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Imagine both Sarah and Hillary, on a dark windy night, clad in black net stockings and stiletto heels, holding a bullwhip and the keys to the kingdom. At stroke of midnight, Sarah wins. Oh, lefties, scurry and scatter.

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By jackpine savage, October 10, 2008 at 2:32 pm Link to this comment

Ah, be thankful; it’s not often that one gets to watch the momentous pivots of history unfolding. The rise of Sarah Palin will likely be recorded in history as the crystallizing moment of American fascism.

It’s all there and so stupidly obvious that i won’t waste bandwidth with illustrative examples.

The-real-truth,

Everyone is afraid of different things. For example, i’m afraid of fascism gripping my country; you, apparently, are not. You are afraid of Marxism and “socialism” (though i’m not sure that you could actually define either), while i am not. Maybe i’m not because i’ve spent enough time in Europe, where Marxism and capitalism have been blended together with democracy to create a place where most people have a decent standard of living but where nobody is held down from achieving fame/fortune if they so choose.

To each his own, i suppose, but i don’t hear any shouting of “eat the rich” at Obama rallies…do you?

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By jhebrink, October 10, 2008 at 1:39 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind

As long as Chico, Harpo, Gummo, and Zeppo are in the cabinet I’m all for a Marx in the White House.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 10, 2008 at 1:21 pm Link to this comment

jhebrink, October 10 at 12:10 pm #

the-real-truth:

Your post seems to consider Marxism in a pejorative sense.  That is unfortunate…I for one would heartily welcome the rise of Marxism in the US.
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Yeah, we all need a little more Groucho-ism again!

But one brother, Karl, wasn’t funny at all.  He wasn’t in ANY of the movies, thankfully!

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By jhebrink, October 10, 2008 at 1:10 pm Link to this comment

the-real-truth:

  Your post seems to consider Marxism in a pejorative sense.  That is unfortunate…I for one would heartily welcome the rise of Marxism in the US.

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By felicity, October 10, 2008 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment

Bush/Cheney have been paving the way for an imperial presidency for eight years - walking while they’re paving, I might add - and a McCain/Palin presidency will guarantee its survival. And when, or should, they take office in Nov. it will simply be a matter of handing over the keys of kingdom.

There are those who say that this election is probably the most important election in the history of this Republic.  Believe it.

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By Leefeller, October 10, 2008 at 10:42 am Link to this comment

Palin, by inciting the crowds into a frothing frenzied state, may all be part of the plan to cause rioting so Bush can instill Marshal Law? He once stated as a poor joke, stated it would be a lot easier if he were a dictator, sort of like when I am half joking by calling him an ass hole.

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By troublesum, October 10, 2008 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

I learned more about Palin from the cover story of The New Republic October 22nd issue than in all the msm media hype so far.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 10, 2008 at 8:30 am Link to this comment

Fadel Abdallah, October 10 at 6:20 am #

The classes I teach at a national prestigious university involve cultural aspects to them. So I asked my ethnically diverse students to make a short comment on the following question:

“What would be your reaction if while lecturing, I keep winking and blinking at you?”

Here are samples of the most common comments:

* I think you have an eye-muscle disorder, and I
would advice you seek treatment!
* I think you are trying to artificially and
vulgarly be funny!
* I would be offended!
* I would take it as an offensive sexual advance and
I would launch a complain!
* I would feel uncomfortable!
* I would be distracted!
* I would call you derogatorily ‘the winking
professor.’

Then I asked them the following follow up question:
“What would be your reaction if I told you that I believe in witches and feel a need to be “de-witched” by a priest once in a while?”

Here are samples of the most common comments:

* I will think you are a nut or a mental case!
* I will drop your course and launch a formal
complain!
* I think you’re extremely superstitious and feel
uncomfortable to learn from you!
* I think that you have a medieval backward
mentality and you’re unfit to be teaching!

When I told my students that this experiment was related to recent facts about Sarah Palin who is running for vice-president, I was surprised to know that only 4 out of 25 students suspected that my questions were pointedly related to Sarah Palin. To my disappointment I found out that the majority of the students don’t follow the news related to the elections.

Then when I asked them to guess where it’s more likely that a young man could be lynched for whistling at a girl. I wasn’t surprised to hear that some said it’s most likely be Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, or some medieval country somewhere in the world. But I was shocked to know that those most selective brilliant students, who pay some 35 thousand dollars a year to attend this school, did not know that this happened here in America.
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Careful, Fadel, don’t have a heart attack—I’m not going to shred you! (this time!)

That was a brilliant and funny exercise. 

However, the last time a boy was killed for whistling at a girl (as far as I know) was over a half-century ago.  That is, where the killers walked free and no attempt to punish them was made. Of course you were referring to the recent commemoration of the murder of Emmett Till, murdered in 1955 for supposedly whistling at a Caucasian girl (he was Black).

Yet the point is well-taken. Bride-burnings in India and honor-killings in the Middle East, while despicable, are simply those regions’ manifestations of the justification for murder.  Lynchings (the American equivalent of honor-killings) went on as recently as the murder of Byrd in the 90’s (those killers were executed).  As late as 1979 in Greensboro, NC, a mass-murder of people calling themselves the “Communist Workers Party” was recorded by WTVD in Greensboro. Despite the video evidence the killers were all acquitted.

Your exercise certainly should have opened your students’ eyes!

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By Purple Girl, October 10, 2008 at 7:30 am Link to this comment

Let’s stop minicing words, by using our typical PC Democrats Fluff Rhetoric….This admin, their supporting cast of Characters (Hagee) and This latest Puppet ticket are Traitors and Heretics- NOTHING LESS!
Mac not only has his ties to Big Oil which has held our country Hostage for Decades. He is one of the ring leaders in Economic Racketeering and Extortion.
Palin’s ‘first Dude’ is affiliated with a group no different than Timothy McVeys’ Michigan Milita group. She Personally has religious ideologies akin to those who Bombed clinics, the Olympics and assisnated MD’s. She has also stated she Expects to Witness the ‘End of Days’ and her Pastor has called AK the Refuge from Armegeddon….Same Delusion as Charlie Manson had about Death Valley!!Let’s not candy coat this shit….Bendict Arnold Was a General- so military service does NOT mean Shit regarding Patriotism! And Susan Adkins was a ‘End of Days’ Deluded Serial mass Murder!So ‘Religious’ and ‘Smalltown’ do Not Mean Sane!
Mac’s Historically accumulated ‘Chickens’ have cluttered his Doorsteps. The Counties Collective History foreshadows (Warns US) about the likes of Sarah.
What’s the Line…Facism comes Wrapped in a Flag and Carrying a Bible??? That is the Current Republican Ticket

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By Fadel Abdallah, October 10, 2008 at 7:20 am Link to this comment

The classes I teach at a national prestigious university involve cultural aspects to them. So I asked my ethnically diverse students to make a short comment on the following question:

“What would be your reaction if while lecturing, I keep winking and blinking at you?”

Here are samples of the most common comments:

* I think you have an eye-muscle disorder, and I
  would advice you seek treatment!
* I think you are trying to artificially and
  vulgarly be funny!
* I would be offended!
* I would take it as an offensive sexual advance and
  I would launch a complain!
* I would feel uncomfortable!
* I would be distracted!
* I would call you derogatorily ‘the winking
  professor.’

Then I asked them the following follow up question:
“What would be your reaction if I told you that I believe in witches and feel a need to be “de-witched” by a priest once in a while?”

Here are samples of the most common comments:

* I will think you are a nut or a mental case!
* I will drop your course and launch a formal
  complain!
* I think you’re extremely superstitious and feel
  uncomfortable to learn from you!
* I think that you have a medieval backward
  mentality and you’re unfit to be teaching!

When I told my students that this experiment was related to recent facts about Sarah Palin who is running for vice-president, I was surprised to know that only 4 out of 25 students suspected that my questions were pointedly related to Sarah Palin. To my disappointment I found out that the majority of the students don’t follow the news related to the elections.

Then when I asked them to guess where it’s more likely that a young man could be lynched for whistling at a girl. I wasn’t surprised to hear that some said it’s most likely be Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, or some medieval country somewhere in the world. But I was shocked to know that those most selective brilliant students, who pay some 35 thousand dollars a year to attend this school, did not know that this happened here in America.

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By troublesum, October 10, 2008 at 6:44 am Link to this comment

Does Obama have a clue that the country is going to hell in a hand basket?  He seems to have been mesmerized by his own slogans.

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By troublesum, October 10, 2008 at 6:40 am Link to this comment

McCain and Obama are far too sedate.  Palin at least shakes things up and makes people think.  McCain and Obama want to put us to sleep.

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By LolaP, October 10, 2008 at 4:49 am Link to this comment
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I get your point, but I don’t agree. Paris Hilton’s face was all over the press at one point, but that doesn’t mean people would’ve voted her into vice presidency.

Although, I must say, she’d be a more appealing option at this point.

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By Outraged, October 10, 2008 at 12:44 am Link to this comment

Palin, as a fundamentalist, does not think, nor consider things in the verbiage she uses to espouse them.  She cannot.  Palin’s idea of freedom, is everyone doing as her God demands.  Because to EVERY fundamentalist, extreme or not, this is THE bottom line and the personification of “true” freedom.

Fundamentalism REQUIRES strict adherence.  In a fundamentalist’s training, this strict adherence is “for the good of all”.  It does not matter what you think/believe because God KNOWS what is best.  A fundamentalist WILL ACT UPON THAT PREMISE.  Palin therefore does not need to “prove” anything, at least in her mind.  This is because “the facts” are KNOWN (as far as she is concerned), and only need to be implemented to carry out the TRUE GOD’S WILL.  It is that simple.

To understand what Palin would do as VP, it isn’t necessary to ask her, if she is “a believer”.  One only needs to investigate the tenets of her faith.  This IS the law.  And all other laws are secondary to it.

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By William Dalton, October 10, 2008 at 12:16 am Link to this comment
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Don’t be fooled into thinking that this problem is all about “conservatives” or conservative women.  The Democrats in Congress have done nothing to stem the abuses of this administration.  Where is today’s Sam Ervin?  Robert Byrd?  The poor man is incapable of fulfilling his duties, much less take on the President. Thirty-eight years ago Democrats took to the streets to protest Nixon widening the Vietnam War by attacking enemy sanctuaries in Cambodia.  Today they not only don’t protest Bush taking the Afghan War into Pakistan, Democrat policy gurus are urging him to do more and Barack Obama is leading the charge.  Maxine Waters, the most liberal woman in Congress, applauds the idea of sending American troops over the Pakistani border to search out “terrorists.” 

In 1970 Americans had the excuse of not knowing what would happen in Cambodia if we carried our war into that country to root out Viet Cong sanctuaries.  Today we know what happened.  Can we have it on our conscience to repeat this immoral folly in Pakistan?  Do we really want to make attack by a nuclear terrorist upon the U.S. MORE likely?

So Sarah Palin eats red meat and believes God created the world.  Those are the least of her sins.  At least she is prepared for when God takes the world down.  Her Democrat oppponents appear not to have a clue despite the facts having been laid out for them.

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By Kashlinus, October 9, 2008 at 9:37 pm Link to this comment
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When you think about it, Sarah Palin embodies a type that is both tactically adept but appallingly short on knowledge. She could handily shed her spikes and walk in Bush’s shoes. She would likely continue his sad legacy, with resulting great damage to the nation. With these marginal credentials, how could it be otherwise?

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By Xntrk, October 9, 2008 at 8:47 pm Link to this comment
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RickinSF said:
>>An entire generation of Americans have been inculcated in the notion that “I’m smarter than (whoever might be in authority).”

I hate to tell you this Rick, but that statement is true of many of us during the past 8 years, the entire Reagan Presidency, possibly George 43’s reign, Ford, and several others who come to mind.

Not all of us are that bright, but there is an intellectual minority who make a habit of studying foreign policy, keeping an eye on economic developments, and following the debates concerning public policy in the areas of government services and responsibilities.

Not only do we engage our minds in Government Policy, but we have a current passport and have traveled to other countries as often as time and money allow. I wouldn’t hesitate to debate 90% of our current elected officials, and I could probably at least make a contest of it.

The fact that Sarah Palin has set back the Women’s Movement by 50 years, should not lead one to assume that the citizenry are all a bunch of idiots!

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By wildflower, October 9, 2008 at 8:20 pm Link to this comment

RE: RickinSF

Good grief. . . Do they also believe they under the spell of a witch, and need the blessing of Wasilla’s “Witch Reverend?”

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By RickinSF, October 9, 2008 at 7:43 pm Link to this comment

Palin is the distillation of a deliberate, thirty-year campaign of denigration of the government in general and liberalism in particular. Remember the famous Reagan quote: “the most terrifying nine words are ‘I’m from the government, and I’m here to help.’”

Made for great sound bite, but it said everything about the post-Goldwater GOP.

I am not surprised that a lot of people could think that a strip-mall queen is capable of running the country in the (likely) event McCain becomes incapacitated.
An entire generation of Americans have been inculcated in the notion that “I’m smarter than (whoever might be in authority).”

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By JimM, October 9, 2008 at 7:22 pm Link to this comment

Hopefully a year from now this witch will just be an ugly memory

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By wildflower, October 9, 2008 at 7:01 pm Link to this comment

But we need to remember that Palin is the wife of the man who belonged to that Alaskan organization that wants to secede from the United States, which suggests she may not be interested in seeing freedom thrive in America.

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