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Posted on Sep 5, 2008
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Mom moment: The Republican vice presidential candidate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, pauses to blow a kiss to her infant son, Trig, during the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn., last Wednesday.

By Bill Boyarsky

The Republicans’ odd-couple ticket doesn’t look so odd when you consider the shifting populations of the battleground states that will decide the presidential election.

The top of the ticket, Sen. John McCain, accepted his nomination Thursday night with a speech laying out the broad theme of his campaign: the deeply patriotic, gutsy ex-prisoner of war against a well-meaning but hopelessly inexperienced Sen. Barack Obama.

This is putting a nice face on a reprehensible strategy that is likely to fail. Without actually invoking race, the Republicans are expected to remind uncommitted voters of the historic step they would be taking by voting for an African-American for president. Inexperience becomes one of the excuses for declining to make such a choice. McCain’s years of service become a reason for voting for him.

What had been unexpected by the faithful at the Republican National Convention, of course, was McCain’s choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as the vice presidential nominee. McCain’s decision was cited as an example of his willingness to take a chance, to gamble everything on a hunch. It was much more than that.

In her speech, Palin was grating, sarcastic—and misleading about her record. As Dahlia Lithwick, comparing Palin to an offensive right-wing commentator, wrote in Slate, “What we saw last night was the mainstreaming of Ann Coulter, the normalization of the principle that it isn’t bile when it’s spoken by a pretty woman.”

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It’s hard to believe that Palin will wear well. Bile will be difficult to swallow for the remaining 60 days of the presidential campaign. But for the brief time of the Republican convention, the elevation of Palin seemed to make sense, at least to the McCain team.

First of all, she cowed the national media, now emerging as a top Republican target.

With investigative reporters up in Alaska digging furiously into Palin’s governorship and family life, Palin went on the offensive. “Here’s a little news for all those reporters and commentators,” she said. “I’m not going to Washington to seek their good opinion. I’m going to Washington to serve the people of this great country.” Along with this salvo, McCain’s aides relentlessly beat up on the media for questioning the official version of the Palin story. 

It worked, at least for that night. Palin ended up as not only a heroine of the right but of the star-struck commentators she had scornfully kicked around.

“A star is born,” said CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “A star is born,” said his CNN colleague, Anderson Cooper. “A star is born,” said Fox’s Chris Wallace. “A very auspicious debut,” said Tom Brokaw of NBC. Or as the Associated Press’ Tom Raum and Liz Sidoti wrote: “Sarah Palin delivered. An embattled vice presidential candidate, a novice on the national stage, the head of a family suffering its ‘ups and downs,’ the first-term Alaska governor rocked the GOP convention with a star-turning performance.”

More important than the Republican’s success in humbling the big-time media was her place in the party’s long-shot strategy to win the states that Pollster.com, a compiler of public opinion surveys, considers to be tossups. They are Montana, North Dakota, Nevada, Colorado, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida and New Hampshire. Winning these states, where polling shows McCain and Obama running just about even, was the real reason for the Palin gamble.

An important theme of Palin’s speech was her praise of small-town America. “I grew up with those people,” she said. “They are the ones who do some of the hardest work in America ... who grow our food, run our factories, and fight our wars. They love their country, in good times and bad, and they’re always proud of America. I had the privilege of living most of my life in a small town.”

But Palin, whose speech was written by top Republican strategists, was not really talking about small towns in the traditional sense. The Republican speechwriters know that this is no longer the America of the early- and mid-20th century, when the rural vote dominated national elections.

Rather, they are targeting the fast-growing “exurbs,” the far suburbs, where first-time home buyers have been creating communities and raising families. Important tossup states have such exurbs.

Exurbanites don’t really live a rural life, but they sort of do in the sense they are many miles from the city and are divorced from its concerns. They’ve tried to get away from it all. Republicans hope they will welcome the message from Palin, mother of five.

A conservative journalist, Steve Sailer, wrote an analysis in the American Conservative that helps explain her value in winning the exurban vote. Sailer analyzes population through the prism of race, which offends liberals but is useful for this election, for that’s undoubtedly how Republicans look at it. He found that the states with the highest white fertility rates tend to vote Republican. And those growing families are moving into the exurbs. 

While the exurban strategy of targeting fertile white families worked for President George Bush, it is likely to fail for McCain-Palin because of the sinking economy. 

The exurbs have been hard hit by foreclosures. Before the mortgage collapse, land developers were ripping up rural land in Florida, Virginia, Nevada, California and other states. Homes are now vacant. Those living there face high gas prices for their long commutes—and the ever-present fear of losing their jobs. Friday morning, the day after the Republican convention ended, the government reported that the national unemployment rate rose to 6.1 percent, the highest in five years. The New York Times said: “So far, 605,000 jobs have disappeared since January. The unemployment rate, which rose from 5.7 percent in July, is now at its highest level since September 2003.”

A star was not born at the Republican convention. Palin’s mean-spirited, smug performance may have pleased her right-wing audience, but it was not what the country wants to hear. Barack Obama’s message is much more suited for these tough times.

 


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By Linda Sutton, September 11, 2008 at 11:21 pm Link to this comment

Purple Girl has good questions…and they should be answered.
WHY INDEED does someone continue ANYTHING if the water has broken. That, in itself, is an immediate go-to-the-hospital sign.

Why of earth would she have continued business-as-usual with a SPEECH, no less???

And then, to take not one, but two, airplane rides home before seeking medical attention?

I can’t even imagine that the airlines would have allowed her on the plane had they known her condition. Did they?

Someone should be asking more about this and getting answers. There were obviously A LOT of people who witnessed her speech that day and who were on the planes on her way back to Alaska.

And now that she has given birth to a Down’s syndrome child, who has she passed off the responsibility for care to? I watched as that poor little infant endured the noise and buffoonery of the Republican convention…with the mother who didn’t care enough to get to a hospital in Texas blowing him a kiss for the cameras!!! I’m sorry, but this IS RELEVANT!!!

I’m a mother. And I had a career in politics, that I gladly put on pause to RAISE my two daughters. And I am part of the so-called liberated generation. It is a matter of your priorities and how much you love your babies. Palin has crassly shown where her priories lie. Yes, her choices SHOULD BE CONSIDERED a part of this campaign. ###

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By Purple Girl, September 11, 2008 at 5:09 am Link to this comment

Why is the Media refusing to talk about the Birth of Trig???
That story alone tells volumes about this woman and her TRUE priorities!
Let me refresh your memories-
When her Water broke a MONTH early while carrying her ‘Down Syndrome’ baby at the age of 44, she decided to give a speech, then by pass TX hospitals, get on a 6 hour plane ride back to AK, bypassed Anchorage Hospitals to end up in a Wassilia Hospital with No Neo natal ICU!
this tells me this woman has no clue about priorities, Nor common sense. This baby could have been indicating it was in Fetal distress and that is why it was coming a month early- but how could she have known since she did not seek Medical attention for about 8 hours- No fetal monitors No ultrasound! No matter if it was her 1st or her 10th, under these conditions ANY caring mother would have gotten to ANY hospital!
It is quite apparent this woman is not only more concerned about her Political aspirations, but also her personal wishes then the needs of her unborn child’s!
This story begs the question WHY???
When was Plain told she was on the VP list?
Is there an amnio which proves Trig had ‘Downs’ prior to birth- could her actions have actually caused his disability?
Wouldn’t have Pain realized that such a child would require Immediate medical attention?And would require an Entire “All hands on deck” by the family after birth-esp From HER ?So taking such High demand Job ( 2nd in command of the US) would negate her ability to attend to this special childs needs- now and far into the future?
Seems to me Plain took a Very CALCULATED RISK with the safety and Welfare of this Child.
Whether a ‘pro Choicer’ Or a ‘Pro lifer’ this rendition of Trigs Birth should Outrage Any Woman.
Honestly, IMO- she was trying for a Still born, attempting her Own Late term Abortion!
She did not act as a concerned, loving Mother.She acted as a Power hungry, self absorbed Bitch to her own child!
If she is unable to put such things aside for her own child- How can we expect her to do what is in the best interest Of OURS!?!
That ONE story ALONE Tells Me everything I need to Know about Palin.

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By Frank, September 9, 2008 at 5:19 pm Link to this comment

Rus7355,  the stories you mentioned of past Obama associations are old news.  He long ago disowned Wright, and the public has moved on. Sarah Palin’s old ministers said some highly inflammatory things too, which she never raised objections to at the time. The Republicans will not go there, unless they want to risk losing the jewish vote over some of the anti-semitic skeletons in her church’s closet. They also had better hope there are no old videos of Palin rolling on the church floor speaking in tongues, if they want to play dirty.

By the way, Obama still holds a steady lead over McCain in electoral college estimates. According to CNN,  Obama currently has an estimated 243 electoral votes. McCain has 189. National polls do not determine elections, electoral votes do.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/10/electoral.map/index.html

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By Leefeller, September 9, 2008 at 8:37 am Link to this comment

Rus,

From what you said, you watch a lot of MSM on the Telie. So my question is how do you assimilate new and different growing, and changing opinions.  My point is getting ones ideas from sound bites on the MSM, which is really propaganda and not objective news does not really induce thought or reason.  Ignore the issues and keep on attacking the people.

This article is about wolf killer Palin and her great abilities and experiences, who I gather you support with from your post, so gather those sound bites and vote with them.    What war?

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By Maani, September 9, 2008 at 6:24 am Link to this comment

Rus:

I don’t doubt for one moment that the first of those two ads will appear; I was predicting it before you were.

However, there are so many MORE, similar ads that Obama’s camp can run re McCain and Palin that it will either cancel out, or the Obama camp will “win” the ad wars.  Watch and learn.

Peace.

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By Maani, September 8, 2008 at 8:22 pm Link to this comment

The Obama camp should be buying time on every network, cable and independent station to run the following video on a constantly rotating basis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpniuotfpR8

If anyone knows how to get this to the Obama people, please do.

Peace.

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By Leefeller, September 8, 2008 at 6:34 am Link to this comment

Rus7335,

If you watch so much propaganda, how do you assimilate information to form an opinion of your own? 

What war?

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By Inherit The Wind, September 7, 2008 at 5:24 pm Link to this comment

Frank, September 7 at 2:03 pm #

Anyone want to place bets on whether the National Enquirer story that just broke about Sarah Palin’s alleged extramarital affair with her husbands old business partner is true?

Remember, the Enquirer turned out to be right about Clinton/Lewinskiy and John Edwards.
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Nah…I don’t think it’s true.  It’s mostly Dems who can’t keep their clothes on and GOPs who can’t keep their hands out of the till.

Unless, of course, it involves that “sinful” gay or lesbian stuff…then the GOPers zoom way out in front of the Dems.

So, if the N.E. came up with a LESBIAN affair, I’d be more inclined to believe it.

Normally, I wouldn’t care and would say it’s nobody’s biz who anybody sleeps with as long as it’s not an agent of a foreign govt or someone who therefore creates a conflict of interest.

But Fox Noise/Pravda spent something like 10 days 24/7 on John Edwards’s affair despite the fact that he holds no public office, isn’t running for any office, and isn’t an official of a religious organization.  And we know if Obama’s daughter was an unmarried pregnant teen, Fox and all the reactionary vultures would be on him like stink on a skunk.

So, since this is a street fight, if Sarah Palin’s been out “steppin’” then that’s fair grist for the meat-grinder that today’s politics have become.

Still, unless she’s crossed to the “other” side, I think they are more likely to find her hand in the till.  Because Sarah Palin is Republican.

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By Frank, September 7, 2008 at 3:03 pm Link to this comment

Anyone want to place bets on whether the National Enquirer story that just broke about Sarah Palin’s alleged extramarital affair with her husbands old business partner is true? 

Remember, the Enquirer turned out to be right about Clinton/Lewinskiy and John Edwards.

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By Big E, September 7, 2008 at 2:10 pm Link to this comment

Rus7355:

do you realize that your ‘rus7355’ screen name leads to:

“KGB USSR-Quartz Pocket Watch By MOLNIJA MODEL” #    rus7355

DEWDE….. yer a KGB watch peddler ?

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By Maani, September 7, 2008 at 1:55 pm Link to this comment

troublesum:

You say, “There are many younger voters like Russ7355 who have gotten it into their heads that the republican party is the party of individual freedom and civil liberties while the democratic party is a party of ‘elitists.’”

I would be pleased to show him otherwise.

Re “elitist,” the McCains are over 300 TIMES wealthier than Barack and Michelle Obama (and, yes, wealth is a measure of “elitism”).  The Obamas have one house; the McCains have seven (or eight, or nine - of course, John doesn’t know…LOL).  The Obamas’ wealth comes from their own efforts (work, books, etc.); the McCains wealth comes mostly from Cindy’s hundreds-of-millions of dollars inheritance (and the near-zero taxes she pays on it…).

Re “civil liberties,” George Bush has done more to shred the Constitution than any president before him: eviscerating habeus corpus and posse comitatus, illegal surveillance (of citizens), unilateral right to determine “enemy combatants” and hold them indefinitely without the right to a lawyer or even to see family; “extraordinary rendition”; and the list goes on.  (Including, of course, those he appoints to create and adjudicate the laws of the land: Ashcroft, Gonzales et al.)

Many of these were accomplished through quasi-legal “signing statements,” and some through “executive orders.”  But for those that were done through legislative channels, McCain voted TO SUPPORT EVERY SINGLE BILL that robbed Americans of their freedoms, civil rights and civil liberties. (Tthis is easily found on Project Vote Smart, a non-partisan site that keeps track of votes on Senate and House bills.)

With the admittedly sad exceptions of the renewal of the Patriot Act and the telecom immunity bill, Obama has voted AGAINST EVERY BILL that limited or curtailed freedoms, civil rights and civil liberties.

Finally, from a historical standpoint, it has always been Democratic presidents and Congresses that have done the most for the “average person,” particularly the middle and lower classes.

I’m not suggesting that the Democrats are angels and the Republicans are devils; there have certainly been “bad” Democratic presidents and Congresses and “good” Republican presidents and Congresses.  But when weighed in the balance, there is absolutely no argument that the Democratic Party has ALWAYS been the party of “the people,” while the Republican party has always been the party of the “elites.”

Peace.

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By Big E, September 7, 2008 at 1:43 pm Link to this comment

Our lurking Repug,..... Rus has a curious frame of reference.

As Rus posted on another thread:
“Some here refer to “Repugs”. And you either use the term yourselves or you fully condone it. To many the “N’ word is repugnant. So too with the other degrading terms I wrote”

Rus likes to equate usage of ‘Repug’ & neo-con with the infamous ‘n-word’ and other racial and ethnic slurs. Everyone can make their own decision on the merits of his claim. His lack of knowledge and history is truly neo-con/Repug in nature.

BTW:  re: “cherry picking facts”
hmmmmm, Bush, Cheney et al. and the Iraq war….. no cherry picking there..


re: “You seem clue less to the harm to do.”
I am clue more to the harm I don’t to do…

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By J. Dray, September 7, 2008 at 1:09 pm Link to this comment
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If Palin cannot face the reporters, then how are we supposed to believe she can handle leaders around the world that don’t like us or have issues with us.

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By Big E, September 7, 2008 at 12:04 pm Link to this comment

re: Rus
” is like calling latinos “wetbacks”.
“Try and put away your debilitating bigotry”

•->  everyone,... Rus, is BIG on racial and ethnic slurs, he’s a ‘good christian’ at heart…. he,... like the rest of the Repugs just say no to facts when you present them…
it’s sort of like McCain & Co. railing against the politics of the last 8 years when he and his GOP buddies were running the show… Repugs own the war,.. the economy,..etc…....  and BTW: that whole thing about Palin wanting to creationism in the schools…. that was defeated by trial by a Republican appointed judge in PA a few years ago… when will you fundamentalists ever learn?

re: “facts you write here”
•-> yer getting better Rus, at least your beginning to get to point where you can admit that what I posted was fact..
Rus,.. are you related to McCain’s ‘spokewoman’, Nancy Pfotenhauer:
known for Citizens for a Sound Economy a powerful industry-funded think tank, promoting deregulation, Citizens for a Sound Economy is a powerful industry-funded think tank, promoting deregulation… 
AND:
Independent Women’s Forum (IWF) is an anti-feminist organization predominately funded by conservative U.S. foundations.

hmmmm, deregulation and anti women.. well that’s McCain, Palin & the Repugs for ya..

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By troublesum, September 7, 2008 at 11:53 am Link to this comment

There are many younger voters like Russ7355 who have gotten it into their heads that the republican party is the party of individual freedom and civil liberties while the democratic party is a party of “elitists.”  Listening to some of the interviews which various news programs did with delegates at the republican convention it was clear to me that many of those people don’t have the foggiest notion of what their party stands for.  Their heads are full of illusions, catch phrases, and outright lies.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, September 7, 2008 at 11:32 am Link to this comment

Russ 7355:

Try this: http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGIH,GGIH:2006-50,GGIH:en&q=mccain+palin+bounce&um=1&hl=en&sa=X&oi=news_group&resnum=1&ct=title

In any event, I guess what I’m hearing from you is that the McCain organization got what they wanted and expected from the convention and everything is hunky-dory in the McCain/Palin Campaign. 

The bottom line is that Bush has ruined what was left (and what was right, for that matter) of the Republican party and McCain, despite his failing efforts to distance himself from that disaster is not winning support from any faction of his party or independents. 

True republican conservatives are DISILLUSIONED. 

Come on over to the Dark Side, Russ, you might just like it here.  We’re good people and we’ll welcome you and your relatives and friends with open arms.  We’re people people.

A new day is dawning in America, Russ 7355.  We will soon, very very soon, have a president and a government we can again be proud of and Americans who once again will take up the mantle of true citizenship and stewardship with zeal and pride.  I am so excited!!  God Bless Barack Obama and Joe Biden and God Bless these United States of America.  And God Bless McCain and Palin and Rove and Bush and Condi and Cheney and Rummy and Ahmadinijad and Putin and Waldo.

C’mon, Russ 7355,  We need you!

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By sandyg, September 7, 2008 at 11:18 am Link to this comment

American voters desperately need to remember that, as Vice President, Sarah Palin will have only an ailing, 72-year-old between her and the Oval office.

Now THAT ought to scare hell out of even a Republican.

ciao boys and girls
SG

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By G.Anderson, September 7, 2008 at 10:45 am Link to this comment

The Bottom line is that overall the Republicans like what’s going on the in the coutry, not only do they like it they love it.

Their only concern is that those Dam pinko liberals will ruin it for them.

And they will do what they have always done, lie cheat and steal…and ride on half truths to keep on taking from America…they could care less what happens, because they believe they are insulated by their money and power.

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By troublesum, September 7, 2008 at 10:33 am Link to this comment

Walter Hickel whom Palin says was her mentor, is head of the Alaska Independence Party.  Her husband, if he is not a member of the AIP now, has been in the past.  I think they have some explaining to do about where they stand on that issue.  Imagine if Michelle Obama belonged to a political party which advocated a separate state for black people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By troublesum, September 7, 2008 at 10:25 am Link to this comment

I think the McCain campaign was well aware of a lot of the things that have been revealed about her.  They deliberately witheld informtion about her knowing that the press would find it out in no time so that they could then bash the press for trying to destroy her.  We forget how long the republicans have been at this.  We always underestimate their ruthlessness and underhandedness.  I think they have got it all figured out.  Sarah Palin is just a pawn in their hands.

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By Outraged, September 7, 2008 at 9:48 am Link to this comment

Re: Rus7355

Your comment: “You are a deceitful liar, Miss.”

>> No need to be nasty, rus.  What’s the matter ...don’t you know the “little people” like you’re claiming.

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By jackpine savage, September 7, 2008 at 9:44 am Link to this comment

Russ,

Isn’t it you who follows people around these boards and complains that they never answer your questions?  So how come no answers to my questions?

And you’re going to give lectures about not regurgitating talking points after your post was nothing but?

My mind is quite open.  See, i haven’t owned a TV in 10 years so i’m pretty immune to what the MSM is saying.  I don’t fit into the neat little categories of “left” and “right” that appear to be necessary for your world view.

And my information on Palin has come mostly from reading what Alaskans have (or have had) to say about her.

By the way, i listen to what politicians say about their own accomplishments with nothing but jaded cynicism (be they of the left or the right), because “politician” is simply a euphemism for self-serving, compulsive liar.

Since you seem unwilling (or unable) to actually answer my list of questions, i’ll pare it down to one:  please explain the difference between a tax and spend “liberal” and a borrow and spend “conservative”.

P.S. hell will freeze over before i vote for someone who tried to remove books that they find offensive from a public library. (Especially if said person tried to fire the librarian who resisted.)  Would you care to refute that tidbit from Ms. Palin’s past?

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By wordsonfire, September 7, 2008 at 9:43 am Link to this comment

It is well known that facts have a liberal bias.

We are getting our lunch eaten by other countries.  They are ahead of us in science, technology, reproductive education—all sorts of things that take intellect and actual thinking.

I think we need to have a serious discussion about how this anti-intellectual strain that runs deep in the republican party is going to affect all of us.  Creationism equal to science, banning books, abstinence only, these are issues that impact each of us individually.  How long do we have to run behind these idealougues filling the holes behind them?

Is it in our national best interest to deny global climate change?  If both the Army War College and the Pentagon in 2003 produce reports that state the greatest challenge confronting the US is Global Climate Change, even post September 11 2001, why are we all about terrorism and wars.  Does it make any sense to ignore something that 99% of scientists say is happening to go after the 1% doctrine that states if there is an even 1% chance of a terrorist attack.  I’m tired of us not taking on the real issues.

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By Maani, September 7, 2008 at 9:36 am Link to this comment

Rus:

Re the “bridge to nowhere”:

Reuters:

Palin “bridge to nowhere” line angers many Alaskans
Mon Sep 1, 2008, By Yereth Rosen

ANCHORAGE, Alaska - It garnered big applause in her first speech as Republican John McCain’s vice presidential pick, but Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s assertion that she rejected Congressional funds for the so-called “bridge to nowhere” has upset many Alaskans.  During her first speech after being named as McCain’s surprise pick as a running mate, Palin said she had told Congress “‘thanks but no thanks’ on that bridge to nowhere.”  In the city Ketchikan, the planned site of the so-called “Bridge to Nowhere,” political leaders of both parties said the claim was false and a betrayal of their community, because she had supported the bridge and the earmark for it secured by Alaska’s Congressional delegation during her run for governor.”

Anchorage Daily News:

Palin touts stance on ‘Bridge to Nowhere,’ doesn’t note flip-flop, By TOM KIZZIA (08/31/08 02:29:08)

When John McCain introduced Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate Friday, her reputation as a tough-minded budget-cutter was front and center. “I told Congress, thanks but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere,” Palin told the cheering McCain crowd, referring to Ketchikan’s Gravina Island bridge. But Palin was for the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it.”

USA Today:

Palin backed ‘bridge to nowhere’ in 2006
By Ken Dilanian, USA TODAY

ST.PAUL — In her nationally televised speech accepting the job as John McCain’s running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said she “championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress” and opposed federal funding for a controversial bridge to a sparsely populated island. “I told Congress, ‘Thanks, but no thanks,’ on that bridge to nowhere,” Palin said Friday in Ohio, using the critics’ dismissive name of the project. “‘If our state wanted a bridge,’ I said, ‘we’d build it ourselves.’”  While running for governor in 2006, though, Palin backed federal funding for the infamous bridge, which McCain helped make a symbol of pork barrel excess.  And as mayor of the small town of Wasilla from 1996 to 2002, Palin also hired a Washington lobbying firm that helped secure $8 million in congressionally directed spending projects, known as earmarks, according to public spending records compiled by the watchdog group Citizens Against Government Waste and lobbying documents.  Wasilla’s lobbying firm was headed by Steven Silver — a former chief of staff to Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens, a key proponent of the bridge project.”

I could go on.  There are hundreds of these.

Peace.

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By Outraged, September 7, 2008 at 9:30 am Link to this comment

Re: Rus7355

Your comment: “With a smile on her face, Mrs. Palin sliced and diced Barack Obama with the skill she dresses a moose she just shot. There were a host of good lines which I’m sure we’ll see in McCain commercials in the near future. But ultimately the most effective may be this one: “In small towns, we don’t know quite what to make of a candidate who lavishes praise on working people when they are listening, and then talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when those people aren’t listening.”

What gives this line its power is that Mrs. Palin is definitely part of the “we” — the small town, blue-collar Americans who will decide this election.”

>> Well…rus…that first sentence is quite the doozy…LOL.  But, rus… I’m curious as to the “we” small town, blue collar Americans that you are implying will find a connection to Palin….

Can you elaborate?  I’ve lived in several small towns and I don’t see “small town America” ESPECIALLY blue collar, identifying with a political “beauty queen” ex-sportscaster.  What are you basing your conjecture upon?  It seems more likely that small town America would see Ms. Palin as a yuppity-yup.  I can just imagine the scuttlebutt in Wasilla between working class folk….LOL.  I’ll forgo the blatant descriptives of my take on that here in “print”(that’s not nice), but I can imagine…...LOL.

Seriously rus, ....working class?  LOL.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, September 7, 2008 at 9:25 am Link to this comment

Maani, I enjoyed the links. Thanks!

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, September 7, 2008 at 9:18 am Link to this comment

Reply to Russ 7355:

Here’s just one:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/30/polls-voters-doubt-palins-qualifications-while-obama-expands-lead/

What I find most interesting about this is that it is a Gallup poll cited in Faux News, no less.

I don’t think you read my comment carefully, in which I said, “...get the bounce they had hoped for.”

This clearly demonstrates how nuance can impact one’s perception of fact or truth. 

It has been my understanding that a hoped-for bounce might be in the double digits.  I know that, were I John McCain and had nothing at all to recommend me to the electorate but my war heroism and a good-looking Alaskan Babe with a rather checkered political past as my running mate, I would be disappointed in my post-convention bounce. 

BTW, I like your presence on this site because I’m wanting someone to provide me with a good rason to convert to neoconism.  I’d love to be able to accept propaganda at face value so I could get on with my care-free life.

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By Maani, September 7, 2008 at 8:58 am Link to this comment

Nobozos:  LOL!!  Your post was precious.

Big E: Bravo!

All:

Some interesting stuff from today’s Times (yes, I know it’s MSM, but even THEY have good stuff sometimes…LOL).

Clark Hoyt (public editor) on vetting Palin:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/opinion/07pubed.html?ref=opinion&pagewanted=print

Frank Rich on the Palin-McCain “shotgun marriage”:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/opinion/07rich.html?ref=opinion&pagewanted=print

Judith Warner on the “mirrored ceiling”:

http://warner.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/04/the-mirrored-ceiling/index.html?ref=opinion

Maureen Dowd on a hypotethical Palin-Clinton debate:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/opinion/07dowd.html?ref=opinion&pagewanted=print

And, finally, for the feeble-minded Rus and MacPalinFan, here’s the feeble-minded Bill Safire:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/opinion/07safire.html?ref=opinion&pagewanted=print

Peace.

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By Big E, September 7, 2008 at 8:33 am Link to this comment

re: Rus
“dresses a moose’

geeeeze Rus, ...yer back with that same endless litany of dumb…
BTW, everyone… Rus is a ‘1 trick moose’ ...

yeah, a V.P. who can shoot a moose…. pretty damn impressive ! Too bad she lied about selling the airpane on ebay,  too bad she was for earmarks before she was against them, too bad she was for the ‘bridge to nowhere’ before she was against it, too bad she left her town 20 million in the hole and didn’t have enough common sense to make sure the land deeds were secured before she started her big local project.., ( very repug ), too bad she’s under investigation, too bad she’s a nutcase fundamentalist who thinks the Iraq War is a mission from god, too bad she has a ton of ‘GOP’ers going to Alaska to interfere and delay the investigation, [just like Bush & Cheney..] ...and she has ‘foreign policy experience’ because Alaska is next to Russia…..  I could go on..

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By wordsonfire, September 7, 2008 at 8:05 am Link to this comment

Russ . . . get your facts straight, Michael Jordon didn’t make his 9th grade basketball team . .. he practiced and practiced and practiced to reach his level of excellence on the court.  He wasn’t a “natural,” he ultimately achieved at the highest level because of intention, vision and goal setting and then putting that into practice. 

I believe that Obama has that same level of intention, vision and goal setting.

It will be most unfortunate if Sarah Pallin becomes our vice president.  It will demonstrate that the United States has left behind enlightenment, reason and science.  It will be a very sad day for the entire world and signal the true demise of our nation as a forward moving/thinking leader.

In our country 1 in 4 teen girls has an STD/STI, that number is 2/4 in the black and native american communities and rapidly rising in the latino and asian communities.  In the rest of the developed world that number is 1/200 to 1/400.  Our number is due to two interlocking reasons:  1.  in the rest of the developed world there is universal healthcare and 2. in the rest of the developed world, science based age appropriate sex ed is the norm.

So, if we elect a leader who stands for abstinence only education when it has been definitely proven to be a failure—in fact such a failure that it doesn’t even work in her own home.  What does that say about us?

Next we’ll be wishing on tinkerbell.

I am disheartened . . . not because she is right and should win, but because what it will say about us, how very short sighted and backward we are if they do.  It says everything about us as a nation.

Now, why don’t you suppose we see Pallin’s pastor on continuous loop or why isn’t Pallin’s membership in the Independence party and the GD the Flag comments from the leader on continuous loop?

My heart breaks.

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By jackpine savage, September 7, 2008 at 7:43 am Link to this comment

...between a ticket that’s actually delivered reform, and a ticket that just talks about it. ~Rus7355

That’s the biggest crock of shit i’ve ever read in my life.  Neither ticket has ever delivered real reform and neither intends on delivering real reform.

Please provide us with actual examples of Palin’s “reforms” in Alaska.  And i do not mean the talking points about being against the bridge to nowhere (wasn’t, according to Alaskans); cutting taxes (which Alaska doesn’t have); or selling the jet on eBay (which she didn’t actually do nor did she come up with idea…Alaska had done it before).

And considering her issues with abuse of power allegations, suggesting that she cleaned up the sleaziness of Alaskan politics is laughable too. 

Yes, the left is/should be scared of Palin on the ticket.  Once again, the Republican Party has made an election about the icing on the cake rather than the quality of the batter inside.  It will be just great when we elect a wonderfully decorated cake again, only to bite into it and find out that it’s made of shit…again.

We’re going to end up with another neo-liberal, Republican administration.  I’m pretty conservative.  Which is why i can’t vote for the Republicans.  Forced to chose between tax and spend and borrow and spend…i’ll go with the former every time.

(Perhaps an explanation of conservatism is in order for RightWing and Rus: it is not about USA #1, oil, and abortion.  There is a big difference between being conservative and Republican.  And it is clear that the modern Republican party cares nothing for being conservative.  Hell, last time they nominated the second coming of Woodrow Wilson…with a little bit of LBJ thrown in for good measure.  If G.W. Bush is a “conservative” then i’m blacker than Obama.)

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By troublesum, September 7, 2008 at 7:12 am Link to this comment

Palin “riven with contradictions”, says that Walter Hickel was her mentor.  To anyone who remembers Nixon’s pro-environmental interior secretary she sure doesn’t seem much like him.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/157696

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, September 7, 2008 at 6:58 am Link to this comment

The repugs didn’t get the convention bounce they had hoped for.

It might make for an interesting exercise to speculate on all the possibilities the mind of Rove might put before the voters to yank a certain victory out of the hapless democratic hands.

Personally, I predict it will get ugly, very ugly.

“A Rovin’ we will go”

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By troublesum, September 7, 2008 at 6:03 am Link to this comment

The msm loves this contrast between hard scrabble living and harvard law because they are better at dealing with imagery than they are with substance.  Obama was asked recently why he didn’t attack Palin more.  He had to remind them that he was running for president and she was running for vp.  They are going to keep trying to put this contrast before the voters because that’s how they see the election.

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By troublesum, September 7, 2008 at 5:50 am Link to this comment

You have to hand it to the republicans for their political smarts.  For the past 20 years they have been promoting themselves as the party of the people as the democrats have become another party answering to corporate interests.  With Palin’s nomination they have a candidate whose husband is a union member and they have completely turned the tables making it look like they are the party of the working class.  Of course they have no interest in helping people who actually work for a living but perception is everything, and love them or hate them you have to admit the Palins make quite an image in the msm.  It’s a mistake to think that most people automatically think that a great intellect and a harvard degree make a better leader.  Most people don’t think that and that’s why Palin isn’t going to walk away.  She would be difficult to deal with even if the republicans hadn’t already painted Obama as an elitist.  He’d be better off to ignore her and attack what the republicans - with a lot of help from John McCain - have done to this country at home and abroad for the past eight years.  The highest unemployment in 17 years, the highest inflation in 30 years - everyday the headlines give him more ammunition.

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By Fahrenheit 451, September 7, 2008 at 5:15 am Link to this comment

I have another idea; the democrats should buy Rove…nah, that’d never work…would it?

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By Fahrenheit 451, September 7, 2008 at 3:30 am Link to this comment

You know what scares me?  The democrats don’t know how to deal with Palin.  The question they need to ask is; if the democrats had chosen Palin, what would the republicans do?

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By nobozos, September 7, 2008 at 2:51 am Link to this comment

McPalinFan….....REALITY CHECK

Obama IS smarter than you….....
and me, your cousin Bubba and certainly Sarah (someone-people-can-identify-with) Palin. Very few among us graduate magna cum laude from Harvard, with the additional distinction of being president of the Harvard Law Review.

By the way, “My Gosh”....he DID NOT re-do the presidential seal with his name on it, and he DID NOT have his plane seats embroidered to say “President”.

Honestly, you remind me of the Betty White character on ‘Golden Girls’.

Do you even LISTEN to yourself?

- “Not many people identify with Obama” (I was among the 84,000 that walked miles to do just that, and like you, just a stab in the dark, I’m a white female…..oh, and a mother)

- “community organizer”....like that is a BAD thing? WHEN did helping others less fortunate than you become a bad thing?

- “giving my money to others who stay on disability for the rest of their lives”? (what left field did those few poor souls come from?)
(and as if giving YOUR hard-earned money to Haliburton is more noble?)

- we relate to Sarah because…fiscal responsibility” DO YOUR HOMEWORK as a voter, google ‘bridge to nowhere’ ‘$19 million Palin debt left in Wasilla’ and ‘Wasilla lobby firm’.

I’ve never heard so many re-hashed political talking points from someone pretending they actually know what’s going on. Which you do not.

P.S. If it appears Obama is condescending to his audience, it probably means you should be learning to field-dress a moose.

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By samantha, September 7, 2008 at 12:21 am Link to this comment
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Why is Rove still around instead of being arrested?

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By Big E, September 6, 2008 at 11:05 pm Link to this comment

re:  MacPalinFan
“I can’t relate giving away my money as a small business-owner to others who prefer to stay on disability for the rest of their lives.”

•-> does your statement include Vets?... too many of them are going to be on disability because of Bush, Cheney & yer boy McCain and his new best buddy Palin who thinks Iraq is a ‘holy crusade’.....

besides… it’s not very ‘christian’, ya know, the hippie guy with the long hair 2000 years ago was all about helping the poor…..

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By GW=MCHammered, September 6, 2008 at 9:23 pm Link to this comment
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Why oh why, didn’t McSame choose and American Indian Squaw? He obviously doesn’t understand politics.

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By nestoffour, September 6, 2008 at 9:17 pm Link to this comment

MacPalinFan writes:
“I can’t relate giving away my money as a small business-owner to others who prefer to stay on disability for the rest of their lives.”

I am deeply saddened and sickened by the malice, ignorance, and lack of humanity in your comment.  This complete disregard for the immensity and complexity of human suffering is precisely why this country is in so much trouble ... the pain and destruction we cause to ourselves and the rest of the world will only continue down the same path as long as people are as unaware and out of touch as you have demonstrated here.

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By jackpine savage, September 6, 2008 at 8:47 pm Link to this comment

Maani,

That picture is definitely a fake.  The interesting photos are all of her pregnancy (Trig)...ahem, if you can still find them.  There was a great deal of internet scrubbing going on over Labor Day Weekend.  I happened to find an Alaskan blog where - in some cases - pictures were found/posted and then scrubbed shortly there after.  There were also cases of the code embedded into jpegs being rewritten to change dates.

She’s fishy, wasn’t vetted beforehand at all, and her community was not prepared (MySpace/Facebook profiles of friends not set to “private” and the like).

She’s not ready for the press.  And if Alaskans are to be believed, not very good with the spontaneous spoken word in any case.  While she’s being groomed it would be best for her not choke on her foot, no? (or maybe not, depending on who you’re rooting for)

ElitestFarmer has a frightening point.  McCain fucked this up royally.  Until she entered stage Up North i was pleased to be able to return to voting minor party for president this year.  But all that i can imagine is ole John having a stroke like 90 days in…“President Palin” makes me shudder.  Obama now has my vote, without condition.

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By LA Reader, September 6, 2008 at 7:48 pm Link to this comment
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Sarah Palin is America’s intelligence, wisdom and Rorschach tests all rolled into one shocking example of the old adage that, “Beauty is only skin deep.”

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By Marc Schlee, September 6, 2008 at 7:45 pm Link to this comment
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Sarah Palin is a political Zwinky.  A small town nobody who is willing to do and say whatever is necessary to get a shot at the big leagues.

FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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By sleek, September 6, 2008 at 7:44 pm Link to this comment

Andrew Sullivan says it best:

This [VP] decision is not worthy of a great power. Whatever skills Palin may turn out to have, however fabulous a person she may turn out to be, even if she becomes the Eva Peron of Christianism, McCain had no idea when he picked her.

He winged this. That’s the critical, unavoidable, devastating point.

John McCain has demonstrated with this insane decision that he is unfit to be president of the United States. This was an act of near-criminal negligence. If he can behave this recklessly and impulsively with this decision, the idea of allowing him to become president of the United States is only a smidgen less terrifying than thinking of Palin in that position.

Whatever few doubts I may once have still had about this election, they are resolved now.

Obama has to win. The alternative is unthinkable.

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By Maani, September 6, 2008 at 7:37 pm Link to this comment

How Palin is being “groomed” by Rove’s protege: stay away from the press!  (Video and transcript)

http://thinkprogress.org:80/2008/09/05/mccain-campaign-plans-to-keep-palin-away-from-the-press/

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, September 6, 2008 at 6:55 pm Link to this comment

reply to Maani “Check this out”

This looks like this could be fake, according to any number of sites I looked at, which, if it is fake, reminds me yet again that we should all be suspect of anything on the internet, especially photos.

The reason, I guess, that “We can’t handle the truth” (according to square mouthed Jack Nicholsen) is that we seldom get it. How are you supposed to handle something you have so little experience with?  More than that, how the hell do you know if you got the truth?  So, not only can’t we handle it, we don’t even know if we have it to handle. 

That’s what’s so great about being an evangelical neocon.  “It’s true because they said it was and I believe them with all my heart. Take’s a big load off my shoulders.”

I’m switching right now, if they’ll have me.

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By LetsGetItRight, September 6, 2008 at 6:48 pm Link to this comment

Palin may have been a star on Wed. night, but one that is soon to diminish.  Too much deception, lies, and half truth’s.  Can she read a good speech?  Yes, she did a much better job than McCain did reading, however, she and McCain cannot compare to the integrity, enthusiasm and honest attempt made by the Obama campaign to make this country great.

Time for the old fuddy duddies (not age, but ideas) to realize we need a change—not a skirt—but a real change—a new Washington with little or no ties to the Bush administration.

Palin will screw up . . . I am not afraid nor intimidated by the Republican choice!  She was a great choice . . . a great choice for the Democrat’s . . . and when Obama win’s I will be sure to send the McCain campaign a lovely letter telling them Thank You for handing this election over to Obama!

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By JimBob, September 6, 2008 at 6:19 pm Link to this comment

The only way a President Palin (shudder, shudder) would succeed in its ambition to “...take this country to wherever God says: invade Iran; remove evolution from the schools; execute women and their doctors for their refusal to obey her God,” would be if what George Bush has started is allowed to continue—i.e. the concentration of power in the presidency.  If Congress ever grows a pair of balls and stands up to the Executive Branch—I mean, the preznit is not a dictator, not yet, anyway.  Congress has a say in whether we go to war, who becomes a Supreme Court Justice, how our taxes are spent, what becomes law and what doesn’t become law.  If a strongly Democratic congress starting actually acting like a strong Democratic congress, even Sarah Palin couldn’t ruin the country.

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By Gary, September 6, 2008 at 5:30 pm Link to this comment
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Troublesum:
:The Russians are coming, The Russians are coming.” Does anyone remember that movie from the late 60’s?

I remember that movie.  It was a Russian sub off the coast of Cape Cod.  Alan Arkin played the sub Captain.  They ran aground and when a villager asked who they were, they said they were “Norweeegian” with a hard “g”.

As far as Palin goes, I overheard a Clinton delegate at a store who said that she was impressed with Palin’s spunk, but wouldn’t vote Republican.  I think she’ll appeal to woman in their 50s who were too late for Title eleven, were tracked for secretarial school in high school, married young and after a while of assuming the traditional feminine roles, said “To hell with this!”

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By dale Headley, September 6, 2008 at 3:48 pm Link to this comment
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Mr. Boyarsky severely underestimates the depth of racism in America.  It doesn’t matter what happens in the campaign, because when white men get into that voting booth where nobody can see, they will find it impossible to check the name of a black man.  The scariest part:  John McCain stands a 50/50 chance of dying in office, which means that this country will be governed by a crazy creationist.  She will take this country to wherever God says: invade Iran; remove evolution from the schools; execute women and their doctors for their refusal to obey her God.  She will make us all yearn for the return of George W. Bush.

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By Elitist Farmer, September 6, 2008 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment

Just read that the folks behind Palin have already developed a plan to ensure that McCain does not live out his first term.  They know she could not get “elected;” but she can get in through the back door of being “selected.”

They steal the road to the White House from Hillary and, with Palin serving 8-plus years, guarantee she will never get there. 

They put Hillary to rest, make sure the White House stays white, and remain in power for at least 12 more years.  It is actually brilliant while being sinister.  Long live Karl Rove!

If you doubt the veracity or the probability of this, you already forgot what happened in 2000.

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By troublesum, September 6, 2008 at 2:55 pm Link to this comment

Maani,
As soon as I saw the photo of City Hall in Wasilla I understood what “troopergate” is about.  Petty bickering amoung family and other townspeople probably makes up 90% of what goes on there.  She’s bringing that small town mudslingging to Washington.
The claim by the McCain campaign that she has foreign affairs experience because Alaska is right next to Russia reminded me of the movie “The Russians are coming, The Russians are coming.”  Does anyone remember that movie from the late 60’s?

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By troublesum, September 6, 2008 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

As soon as Obama made that statement about angry people clinging to guns and religion, the republicans went looking for one for VP.

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By Pacrat, September 6, 2008 at 2:09 pm Link to this comment
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Couldn’t be a rational choice since John is now running on the amnesia and altzheimers platform. It’s sad watching a mind disintegrating so rapidly. John, as we all know was the only POW in the Vietnam war even though the only action he saw was from the air - for almost twenty minutes before he crashed another plane.

While we should be forgiving for his victimization as a POW that it doesn’t excuse him from getting the psychological help he needs to deal with whatever motivated him to skp the selection and vetting process for his vp. John, take care of yourself!

No doubt though about his capture and torture for more than 5 years by the Vietnamese. While 114 of his fellow captives died in captivity he survived - and received several awards - none for heroism, just routing for surviving.

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By RightWing, September 6, 2008 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment

MacPalinfan
You will not convince these so called self proclaimed political geniuses, that they are wrong. The only difference between the progressive left, that hang here, and the folks that got clubbed at the convention wearing black mask, is the people here hide behind a monitor. Myself I back you all the way….... Go McCain/Palin

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By felicity, September 6, 2008 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment

There’s a Republican shadow government, powerful, wealthy mainly invisible behind-the-scenes operators who choose their front-men, or women, most likely to follow their orders. They chose George Bush and other than failing to privatize social security, he has fulfilled all their expectations.  The country is exactly where they want it. (Read Kevin Phillips’ book “American Dynasty” to get some insight on the subject.)

McCain is the Repub nominee for a reason as is Palin’s as his back-up.  It may be that McCain’s nomination only makes sense - I’ve never made sense of it - if a Palin IS waiting in the wings. Whatever the case, unless we destroy the citadel of who really runs America today, we can expect the ‘shadow’ government to continue to manipulate us and this country to their advantage - and only their advantage.

Rove recently said that whether the person who is elected will govern well or not is beside the point.  The point is to get him elected. That’s a wake-up call that we should all heed.

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By Maani, September 6, 2008 at 12:58 pm Link to this comment

http://www.flickr.com/photos/djcn0te/319098225/

No, the above is NOT a doctored photo!  This was her “seat of power.”  Neat, huh?

Also, some “cost of living” figures for Wasilla vis-a-vis other cities (from the Wasilla municipal website):

http://www.cityofwasilla.com/index.aspx?page=47

And finally, from a Daily Kos regular:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/6/12251/86155/90/587746

Peace.

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By SteveL, September 6, 2008 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment

Oh great we are going from Uncle Fester Cheney to Cruella de Palin.  Just sit back and watch the carnage…....Imagine Obama/Biden being associated with a secessionist group (don’t want to be Americans) like Palin is.  The right wing would go crazy…...Cruella de Palin chases wolves down with helicopters then shoots them.  How stinking decent.

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By Elitist Farmer, September 6, 2008 at 12:36 pm Link to this comment

It is obvious to us that Palin is a fraud.  I just read that her first child was born less than 8 months after she got married, but, being one who speaks to God, she did not need to come clean and explain why she and Todd (“first dude!”) eloped.  It is said that the apple does not fall far from the tree for a good reason.  She has misrepresented nearly every aspect of her record but if you lie for God it is ok.  Jesus preached tolerance but we know she is anything but. 

Despite all of these truths, this mad-woman may actually be president prior to 2012.  She could tip the balance in those few states where we need the electoral votes.  And why?  Paul Krugman posted an editorial that hits the point.  This election is not about a comparison of policies and it is certainly not about programmatic details.  It is about the irrational, emotional anger of those who feel like the world always looks down at them.  Everyday, the Republicans are fanning these flames with their rhetoric – elitism, uppity, small town people, hard-working, just a hockey mom, etc., etc., etc.

Palin was obviously not a good student by any measure of that term.  She even came in second for Miss Alaska, a state with less than 1 million; that had to affect her psyche.  Cutting to the point, it is very easy to see her as “resentful” of all those who were ahead of her in the intellect line.  But Sarah knew she had something many of the “intellects” did not.  Her weapon is her disengaging presence – though she does like guns – and she knows how to use it very well.  Sarah Palin is Columbine with a pretty face. 

Most liberals want to believe that we live in a meritocracy.  My immigrant parents made sure I got a good education because they said “it is the key to success in “America.”  Unfortunately, in this century, we do not actually live in a meritocracy but in some Andy Warhol-like nightmare where the inmates run the asylum. 

My apologies for generalizing but I have often found that people who are not confident of their brain-power have very little tolerance for any challenge to their mindset.  When Palin took office, she required all government workers to sign an oath of allegiance and fired anyone who she thought was not supportive.  I ask, what country did this happen in?  When I grew up, we thought behavior like this happened only in RED China or Communist Russia.  When I grew up, we thought fascism was something my father fought against in WWII.

But this behavior of hers is very consistent with the “resentment class.”  It is their turn to be at the top and by golly they are not going to let any of those smart-asses tell them what to do.  This is Palin in spades.

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By Outraged, September 6, 2008 at 12:14 pm Link to this comment

Re: rowman

Your comment: “You have taken hypocrisy to a new level.”

Funny, that of all people you should be the one pointing fingers. Remember what you learned as a child that “everytime you point a finger at someone there are four fingers pointing back at YOU” (personally,,I’d say three since the thumb…well, you know what I mean and anyway that’s just a different arguement)

You refuse to concede that there were BLATANT illegallities inflicted by the police on innocent citizens.  These were video taped and cannot be disregarded.  Yet, still in YOUR HYPOCRISY you claim that somehow it is warranted. 

In addition, what you are attempting to qualify and argue is ludcris.  Contrasting the actions of a TRAINED, SUPERVISED AND PUBLICALLY PAID ENTITY against the misguided notions of a few young people, what are we up to… eight supposed “conspirators”, is ridiculous.

You are crying “hypocrisy” even as you refuse to call a spade a spade.  You sound like Bill O’Really and his BS flip flops.  It is easy to include your hypocrisy in with that of Rush Limbaugh and his “prescription drug” problem.  I could go on.  rowman, what is your premise for continuing to post?  Are you being paid or do you really believe that it’s fine for some to break the law and not others?

Sarah Palin is a figment of Republican Party media marketing.  She has ties to the corruption rampant in partisan politics and is being investigated even as we speak.  She LIED outright during her acceptance speech.  Are the illegalities she is accused of also “okay” with you?  Why are you not questioning these?

Where’s your honesty, rowman?
Where’s your integrity, rowman?
Where are your facts?

You needn’t enlighten me regarding your hypocrisy…...that is self-evident.

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By Jimmy, September 6, 2008 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment
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Sarah Palin fired up the conservative crowd at the Republican convention. Did you notice that she was poised, strong and clear? Sarah Palin is a GOPAC graduate.

GOPAC is the leading candidate recruitment and training operation for the conservative right - and our direct competitor when it comes to who controls government.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nina-burleigh/who-is-the-handler_b_123994.html

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By anonymous, September 6, 2008 at 11:59 am Link to this comment
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PLEASE put the Comments in chronological order—first comment first, last comment last. It is truly crazy-making to try to follow them backwards.

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By sandyg, September 6, 2008 at 11:38 am Link to this comment

No matter how you ‘cut’ it, a slut is a slut. A ‘shotgun’ bride herself, and evidently ignorant of the risks of an ‘over-age’ pregnancy, as well as being herself the mother of an unwed expectant-mother, Sarah Palin’s qualifications as spokesperson for the Right seem a little light. Unexpected pregnancy appears to be some kind of norm in the Palin family. What does that tell you about ‘Famlily Values’??
One wonders how many trailer-parks John McCain had to visit in his search for a running-mate in the upcoming election.

Now, we hear that the GOP campaign-staff have place Sarah behind a journalistic firewall, lest she embarrass herself, or anyone else in the party, and the entire world learns just how unqualified she really is to be the vice-president.

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By troublesum, September 6, 2008 at 11:08 am Link to this comment

Biden has been saying in the last few days that he and Obama are not going to go on the attack which means that they are going to run the same kind of campaign that Gore and Kerry did.  Not good news.

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By dogmom, September 6, 2008 at 10:37 am Link to this comment
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Macpalinfan says:
“We relate to Sarah because she is concerned about fiscal responsibility.  I’ve heard just as much twisting of the facts for both sides.”
Actually she isn’t fiscally responsible. When she was mayor of a town that you can drive through in 5 minutes she lobbied for and got $27 million in earmarks, yet she left the town with $20 million in debt. I do not call that fiscally responsible.

In addition, she used her mayor’s office and the town personnel and equipment to run her unsuccessful campaign for Lt. Governor. I do not call that ethical.

As for her lies about Obama go to factcheck.org -the list is long!

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By VietnamVet, September 6, 2008 at 10:35 am Link to this comment

When the MSM adoration for Ms. Palin wears off and the American voters wake up to what they are being sold, the whole story will change! The woman does not have a single qualification to be a VP, let alone president. When will the MSM began to dissect all those lies she spewed out at the convention? Seems like they are just “accepting” that as some sort of warped norm!

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By Big E, September 6, 2008 at 10:34 am Link to this comment

Even Oliver North was popular for a while during his testimony before Congress.
Now he is another remnant of the ‘far right’. Palin will wilt under the intense scrutiny of the Press which is only now really getting around to who she really is,.. and what her record is.

re: MacPalinFan
“I feel he is condescending to the audience in his speeches.  Today in Pennsylvania he was talking about the concept of “global warming”

•->  Damn!... the absolute nerve of Obama,... whew,.. he was actually speaking about, <gasp>... global warming ::: your right… speaking about current issues is a clear sign of condescension !!  ... next he’ll probably really step out of line and talk about national security…

re: G.Anderson
“This is the Republican base”
•->  well, sort of, it’s seems to me more like a mythological construct of the Republicans themselves and lazy reporters….. I have family in small towns in Tenn, Ark, Mo…... and they are nothing like what you represented as ‘the base’.. doesn’t mean that there are parts of the U.S. that reflect your statement, like every other ‘group’, ... ‘they’ all don’t think or look alike….

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By troublesum, September 6, 2008 at 9:54 am Link to this comment

The morning after Palin’s speech NBC was gushing that Palin pulled as many viewers as Obama did for his speech.  A day later they came out with actual numbers: Obama 42.8 million viewers, Palin 37 million.  Fuzzy math.  They didn’t bother with a correction.

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By Leefeller, September 6, 2008 at 9:44 am Link to this comment

Manni,

Works for me, community organizing is only worthy when you agree with the organizing, so where does that leave Palin on the Christian ideals? Her selective thoughts on how everyone should live and follow her religion?

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By mackTN, September 6, 2008 at 9:18 am Link to this comment
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wow. it’s been a long time since i’ve heard the uppity negro remark, reserved for any black person who,s graduated high school.  But i know this is just baiting-to make this into a white v black thing & improve Mccain’s odds. I went thru this in chgo with the Harold Washington campaign.

Now I hear that they won’t allow Palin to talk 2 reporters for fear she’ll agin claim her proximity 2 russia as forighn policy experience!

once again our country is a laughingstock. prez palin.  2 protect embryos globally. nice.

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By Big B, September 6, 2008 at 9:13 am Link to this comment

First of all rowman, no one is slamming gov Sarah because she’s a woman. They are slamming her for being an old fashioned republican facist with the same petty mean streak that drives the bushes, roves, and yes clintons too!
And perhaps you need a history lesson about the civil rights movement and it’s ties to the 19th century democratic party. Prior to the civil war, Dixiecrats, as they were known, were the primary supporters of the status quo on slavery. Even in the 100 years after the civil war the people of the american south were still incredibly racist and still incredibly democratic. All that changed in 1964 when LBJ drove the civil rights act down the throats of the congress and senate, with the conspicuious support of the republican party. Why would the party of the rich, white, and big business support such a thing as the civil rights act, especially one proposed by a democratic president? Easy! They correctly predicted the voter backlash in the racist american south. After the act was signed into law the political landscape of the south changed forever. Dixiecrats like strom thurmond immedietly swithched party affiliation and took with them the entire southern electorate. And that southern electorate, built on a foundation of hatred and racism, has been single handedly responsible for the shift in power in american politics in the second half of the 20th century. Southern racists even took a step further, and formed the christian right, a group that all republican candidates have been forced to cow-tow too for last 30 years.
So be careful about calling democrats the racist party. while that was true prior to 1964, the republicans have taken that ball and run with it ever since.
The irony of both these truths is that Black america fails to realize that neither party gives two shits for them, except on election day.

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By rodney, September 6, 2008 at 8:59 am Link to this comment
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Sarah Palin is nothing more that a newest Republican scam. Put a pretty face in front of a hand picked audience and let her read a speech she didn’t write and she becomes the next sham for the American people. But the spineless media and redneck state I mean red state America has bought into this farce. She won’t be interviewed by anyone until she has been drilled over and over again with prepared answers for questions she may be asked. And the questions will come from friendly interviews with Sean Hannity Rush Limbaugh and Larry King. She will avoid all Sunday talk shows unless the questions are given in advance.
In the meantime she will continue to spew hate filled disparageing and racially tinged remarks about Obama   without offering any solutions to the problems this country face. With only two months before the election, the hope is that slide this hand pick pretty face into office by baffeling us with their bullshit since they can’t dazzle us with their brillyance. MCcain is willing to win a election with gimmicks and slogans than with issues,which doesn’t bode well for the American people. But Bush did the same to us for 8 years. And the Jerry Springer, World Wrestling Federation, god and gun loving rednecks I mean red state morons may well vote MCBush into office.

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By suziq, September 6, 2008 at 8:59 am Link to this comment
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Sarah Palin is George Bush without the silver spoon!

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By L. Fleming, September 6, 2008 at 8:26 am Link to this comment
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Keep Dreaming. I regret to inform you that Obama is NOT nervous as all “all get-out”. It’s more the other way around, Palin simply read well the script written by a Bush speech writer.
And consider this [before she was plucked as VP] she
said publically she was FOR Obama!
So what we have in Sarah Palin is a puppet!

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By Eric L. Prentis, September 6, 2008 at 8:22 am Link to this comment
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Gov. Sarah Palin is a neophyte on foreign policy who will be trained by neocons on what to say, think and do, and Palin will quickly comply. This is the fantasy of her Republican masters, to have an empty headed politician they can completely control be elected to national office, e.g., President Bush. If you want a puppet on a string controlled by warmongering neocons, vote for Palin, if you want real understanding of foreign policy, vote for Senators Obama and Binden.

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By Maani, September 6, 2008 at 8:12 am Link to this comment

Best new (?) line I heard today:

“Jesus was a community organizer.  Pontius Pilate was a governor.”

Peace.

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By rowman, September 6, 2008 at 7:59 am Link to this comment

The democrat party is the epitome of bile, mean spirited, junk yard politics. They are the original party of slavery, have reignited race issues and reversed 20 years of women’s rights with their treatment of Palin.

You need look no further than the comments here and the political vomit spewed by your party leaders in recent days. The articles posted here represent the very thing you profess to despise.  You have taken hypocrisy to a new level.

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By Maani, September 6, 2008 at 7:57 am Link to this comment

DKIA:

LOL!

Peace.

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By G.Anderson, September 6, 2008 at 7:44 am Link to this comment

One only has to look at the fiscal irresponsibility of W. Bush to see where the future of our country is going. Cash give aways, and door prizes for the Republican faithful, free enterprise for the poor. The death of small business, as the standard of living for all American’s fall.

There will be 50 billion for the big three auto makers, and more for wall street firms, deals with Dubai to buy our infrastructure. While in the midwest and North East, many will be unable to buy heating oil for the winter, because they no longer have equity in their homes.

Republicans like buying votes, and telling tall tales, the tried and true double think, of limited government elite media, and pointy headed intellectuals. Yet government has grown to astronomical dimensions under W., with a staggering deficit, while the media is owned by the right.

If anything Palin’s credentials are solid Republican, because she’s already under investigation for ethics violations while a govenor.

Just another Republican crook.

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By SamSnedegar, September 6, 2008 at 7:43 am Link to this comment

“...The electoral map is looking pretty good for Obama…”

In case you hadn’t noticed, Obama is black. He barely beat Clinton, ONLY with a bunch of wins in caucuses, not elections. Obama cannot win a popular election because he is black. Why is McCain laughing? Maybe because he thinks he has it made in the shade, but guess what: he won’t ever be president EITHER. In the former Yugoslavia, Milosevic stayed in the capital and fully intended to remain in power; figure the Bushitter gang of thugs to do the same.

The irony is that it is likely that both Obama and McCain knew that they couldn’t win and be president, Obama running just to be running and making a step forward on the King dream, and McCain being allowed to pretend to run so long as he knows it to be a rude joke on the voters and taxpayers.

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By troublesum, September 6, 2008 at 6:56 am Link to this comment

Someone at dailykos posted this:  In his 1989 inaugural address President George H W Bush said, “I have spoken of a thousand points of light, of community organizations spread like stars thoughout the nation, doing good.”
Maybe H W can give Sarah a clue as to what community organizers do.  Who knew that George H W Bush was a Chicago Marxist hippy yippie anarchist bastard?

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By charles jeffress, September 6, 2008 at 6:34 am Link to this comment
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MacPalinfan gave himself away as the selfish Republican he is when he said : giving away “MY” money to others who prefer to stay on disability. He’d have the poor starve! When you retire Macpalinfan remember to thank a Democrat, Franklin Roosevelt, each time you cash your social security check!!!

Remember , men are under the sod at Normandy so you have the freedom to pursue your small business. Many of them where from poor families.

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By GARY GUNN, September 6, 2008 at 6:24 am Link to this comment
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NATION:

HAVING STOLEN THE LAST TWO PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS, THE EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE SUGGESTS THE FORTUNE 500 & THE AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE WILL COLLABORATE TO STEAL THIS ONE ALSO.

ALL OF THE QUESTIONABLE GAINS TO THEIR LONG TERM AGENDA ACQUIRED DURING THE LAST 8 YEARS OF THEIR REIGN OVER THE
V.P. ‘s DECISIONS… WILL NOT GO GENTLE INTO THAT GOOD NIGHT…..

ASK YOURSELVES - WHY WOULD THEY SURRENDER ALL OF THAT TO A POPULIST WHO DECLARES THAT HE INTENDS TO REVERSE EVERYTHING THEY’VE SCHEMED & FOUGHT FOR 8 LONG YEARS ?

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By Harris D. Foster, September 6, 2008 at 6:14 am Link to this comment
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As a person that works with special needs children, I was disgusted see the Republicans use the infant as a prop. It was reported that Sarah P. had amnio,well if she didn’t believe in abortion under ANY circumstances, why bother with the test. Sooner or later she is going have to answer questions and then she will be history…

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By Fahrenheit 451, September 6, 2008 at 6:12 am Link to this comment

This has always been the democrats election to lose.  It still is.

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By troublesum, September 6, 2008 at 5:51 am Link to this comment

Anyone who thinks Ann Coulter is a beautiful woman needs any eye exam.

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By One Little Victory, September 6, 2008 at 5:38 am Link to this comment

Yes, a Palin presidency would be a disaster for this nation, and I agree it would come apart at the seams.

But I think the media is playing up an election that is closer than it actually is. The electoral map is looking pretty good for Obama. With only eight weeks and three debates to go, the Republicans are going to have to have everything break their way. I find this unlikely… Obama and Biden will (rightfully) continually link McSame and Bush… given all of the trouble facing everyday Americans, and given the memory of how America did economically with the last “untested” Democratic president (Clinton), they will put Barack Obama in the White House this November.

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By jackpine savage, September 6, 2008 at 5:24 am Link to this comment

The point about the ex-urbs is quite accurate, in that they are not really “rural”...no matter how much the residents would like to think that they are.

Other than that, the whole “divide between rural and urban America” motif is bullshit…generally written by urban Americans of either the left or the right.  The left figures that rural America is full of dumbfucks and writes them off as such.  The right figures that rural America is full of dumbfucks and then manipulates them.

The full political spectrum is alive out here, only it generally doesn’t fit into the easy categories that politicians and pundits love/need.  Dig deeper by talking to actual, rural Americans and you find a libertarian streak that runs deep and wide. (eg. the Alaska delegates still voted for Paul, even though a native was on the ticket with a guy who finished fifth)

Were the Dems to run a serious, left libertarian type of platform they’d probably be successful.  Both parties are statist, but the Republicans do a good job of wrapping their package in a way that appeals to us rural Americans.  The Dems, not so much.  And worse, the Dems never succeed at unwrapping the Republican package to show what America is really going to get.

I don’t like Busch Light at all, but i’ll drink it if that’s what’s at the bonfire.  Put down the arugula (delicious) for just a moment and dig into a grass-fed steak raised by a real, rural American.  See where that gets you.

And every day that Obama looks more like a standard issue Democrat instead of a mold-breaker who goes to church and thinks that the second amendment means something is another day that McCain picks up ground.

P.S. i was raised in urban America; i love the big shitty, but i choose to live outside it.  So i know that the cities of America are filled with just as much ignorance as the country side…maybe more, as the city dwellers couldn’t feed themselves if their lives depended on it.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, September 6, 2008 at 3:56 am Link to this comment

Then there’s,

Twinkle, twinkle little star,
now we know just what you are.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, September 6, 2008 at 3:52 am Link to this comment

Maani, May I add to your metaphor, which I like?

“..., then soon become a black hole.”

Or, not much is required to be a shining star in the black hole that is the Republican Party.

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By G.Anderson, September 6, 2008 at 3:08 am Link to this comment

There are two America’s. Small town rural America, and Metropolitan America.

Each with different values and different perspectives on what America should be. As opposed to each other as Sparta was to Athens, like water and oil they cannot be mixed.

Sara Palin is Representative of that other America, the one that sees Development of Natural Resources, as the way, the one who cannot understand and is appalled by by Abortion, pornography, and metropolitan life in general. The one in which little pink houses fly American flags on national holidays. This is the Republican base. The one that hates liberals, just as much as they hate affirmative action.

But make no mistake about it unless there’s a miracle in November, Sarah Palin, will be vice president. And if and when John McCains health forces him out of office, Sarah Palin will assume the office of presidency with the same values, and the same right wing certainity in them, that has split this nation deeply in half.

Her presidency would be one without accomodation, one in which the United States would come apart at the seams.

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By EvilPoet, September 6, 2008 at 1:43 am Link to this comment
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BobZ - The media fell all over Bush.

(1999) Bush Ink: Manufacturing a President
http://www.bushfiles.com/bushfiles/manufacture.html

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By rybo, September 6, 2008 at 12:37 am Link to this comment

Palin is the epitome of what I hate about America. What a shallow person. A representative of American mediocrity. What kind of a dope wants to be a beauty queen? What kind of a moron insults her children with incredibly stupid names? The use of the word “mom”, as in hockey “mom”. Have Americans taken the word “mother” out of circulation? What kind of a retard claims to be pro-life and at the same time embraces a totally criminal war, which is anti-life? Just ask the Iraqis.

Sadly, should McCain be elected and kick the bucket, Palin would take over the oval office. It’s scary enough that McCain might be elected and an absolute nightmare that this nit-wit could conceivably become president.

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By Maani, September 5, 2008 at 9:53 pm Link to this comment

“The star that burns twice as bright burns half as long.”  She will quickly go from “red giant” to “white dwarf” (with all puns intended…).

Peace.

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By Hphoenix, September 5, 2008 at 8:51 pm Link to this comment
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Why does Ms Palin remind me of Mme. Mao? “I was Mao’s dog. I bit who he told me to bite.” That was part of her defense at her trial after Mao died.

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By BobZ, September 5, 2008 at 8:44 pm Link to this comment

Why the media fell all over themselves fawning over Sarah Palin is one of the big mysteries of this campaign. Her speech could in no way be considered great. It was filled with sarcasm, and either false or misleading information. It was filled with cheap shots at Barack Obama. Barack Obama gave a great speech. Hillary Clinton gave a great speech. Sarah Palin did not give a great speech. The bloggers were far more critical of her speech but none of this was reported by the network media. Her carefully orchestrated stump speech will soon become stale and she will come under the same scrutiny that Obama, Clinton, and Biden came under during their long primary campaign. Her inexperience and unfitness for the office will soon become apparent to America. McCain bought himself a short term insurance policy but it won’t propel him to the White House.

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By Concerned Voter, September 5, 2008 at 8:41 pm Link to this comment
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All what we`ve got from the Repugs was some presentation of “a Pin-up Woman from out of the left-field state of Alaska
sort of wrapped in the very same old,phony make-believe Horse-crap” that only total fools are willing to buy.
Should we actually be shocked or surprised,you may ask?
Definitely Not!
At the end of the day,when all that fake hoopla we have seen has settled,it is time for “serious questions about this persons qualifications must be asked “!

Serious Questions like these:
Why this particular woman?
Why not some black woman,any?
Why not,say Condoleezza Rice?
Actually why not- Dr.Rice
had been National Security Adviser before-when these very same losers still playing the “Fearmonger card at will” don`t you want the best suited
person available !
Why someone from as far away
as Alaska-some sinister plot perhaps,because that`s as far
as they could possibly have gone to find the “right"person ?
What exact knowledge of some international,global exposure
does she really have or her apparent lack thereof ?
Ever wondered what exactly makes this woman so special?
Special maybe,because that she is rather “naive or plain stupid enough” for those slick
people in the background,just
playing dirty politics as usual and by winning at any cost,disregarding the means ?

Every reasonable person…. young or old… regardless of gender,color,has not only the
responsibility,they have to demand further investigations,
deeper discussions and efforts
by news organizations,etc.
and have these revelations
published for everyone to see in the press! It is utterly
important and imperative,for
the sake of this country in the time of war,that oneself has the absolute satisfactions that this person is suitable and fit for the selection and / or the election to become
possibly President of the USA
and Commander is Chief.

Remember,and don`t make no mistake,this country has currently one unqualified
president and commander in chief - repeating and electing
another one would be no mistake,it would be plain old Stupidity!

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