ITW,

You ended you post with this.

“this is a street fight and our democracy rests in the balance.” 

Your post was on the money until you went and used the D. word.

Oldest tactic on the planet; divide and conquer.  When the hell are the democrats going to quit bringing knives to a gunfight?

Inherit,

Thanks for the post @By Inherit The Wind, September 7 at 3:41 am

It’s a keeper, and this part is worth mentioning again:
•  “..63 million dolts bought that crap in 2004, and now, hundreds of thousands of them have lost their jobs (Over 600,000 in 2008 alone), and something like 8 million face foreclosure (or is it 20 million?). ..”

Do ANY of these dolts ‘get it’? They don’t have jobs, they’re homeless, and if they even DO still have a tiny bit of anything left after these 8 years, it’s not worth a damn thing. And, they’re still buying the crap.

Remember this is Cyrena’s Progressive site, it is Cyrena Rules or don’t post. All Hail Queen Cyrena, and maybe she will tell us how she marched with MLK, and the Great Cindy Sheehan. But you must prove your worthiness or be banished to the TD fact checking room…..

and while getting everyone excited over who is going to win: BACK IN THE STATES: the “change” of a “broken” government which in reality is nothing more than politians bought & paid for the wealthy, who removed ALL protections from the people; and have actively & aggressively been AGAINST the people of this nation for years engaging in WAR against THEM: psychologically, financially, mentally, and physically; the “REFORM & RENEW” usa flows from Fed, to St, to County, to City: THEY own the land, and will decide what to do with it; THEY own the water & have “turned” it over to montsano or however it is spelled: the SAME folks who developed Agent Orange, the SAME folks behind along with Don Rumsfield (defense dept) with putting formaldehyde in Asparteme; behind the genetic seeds; which are of course full of toxins cuz that is the way our Gov WORKS folks: the biggest harm to the health of citizens for the biggest gain to the Pharma’s; the drs are paid for meeting quotas of prescriptions; & the lawyers get to keep over 2/3s of the $ collected in lawsuits; and the people & the babies die, and NO ONE understands that OTHER countries have FREEDOMS with out being POISONED or EXPLOITED illegally; claiming “this is how it works” in a democracy: it is the way it works in a criminal run Gov; who always keeps 2/3s of everything collected for itself; launders $ back to itself; has “shell” operations set up to funnel millions of $ thru at all levels folks: the plan now as outlined during Reagans term is to have US pay Corp taxes: (which we are doing) and to cut down all trees, etc, leaving no parks, federal lands, etc; I am sure they will tell you it’s because “they are broke” cuz you buy every hook line & sinker they give you anyway.

When McCain’s surrogate said this campaign isn’t about issues, well, Frank Rich has it right: It means it’s about tearing down Barack Obama with every vicious tool and lie the Rovian sleaze machine can cook up.

Biden described Rudy Guiliani’s campaign as “A noun, a verb, and 9-11”.  So much more is now McCain’s: He’s a war hero.  As if what he did 35 to 40 years ago is his SOLE qual to be president.

Can’t SwiftBoat him—that was already done to an even BIGGER war hero: John Kerry.

The GOP is talking about “change”—from what? From GOP intensive policies of the last 8 years and Reagan policies of the last 28.  AS IF!!!!

No, usual dupes will work to let us sink deeper back into a corporate feudal society so they can “save” us from choice, evolution, and the myth of global warming.

63 million dolts bought that crap in 2004, and now, hundreds of thousands of them have lost their jobs (Over 600,000 in 2008 alone), and something like 8 million face foreclosure (or is it 20 million?). 

Yet on the back of the fanatical Sarah Palin, governor of the “rugged individualist” state sucking the most tax dollars from the rest of us (20x the per capita national average)—second only to Iraq—the nutty American Taliban is energized once again.

I only hope that Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Howard Dean and Hillary Clinton all realize this isn’t Marquis of Queensbury, this is a street fight and our democracy rests in the balance.

I hope Hillary realizes that if Obama loses, she won’t be running in 2012, because we won’t have an elected President then, just a President-for-Life, Queen Sarah.

I lost all respect for John McCain when witnessing how fast he fell to the Rovenian (I’m sure it’s in a dictionary by now) tactics in 2000 in South Carolina.

Bush and Co. pulled the first of many down, dirty and disgusting tricks with the push-poll done against McCain and family in one of the more easily swayed states….South Carolina. Yes, I mean you easily fooled, overly religious non-thinkers in South Carolina (but, hey, I’m from Idaho, you might actually be smarter).

Phone ‘surveys’ called half of S.C. asking:
-“Would you vote for John McCain if you knew he had an illegitimate black child with a prostitute?”
-“Would you vote for JM if you knew his wife Cyndi was a drug addict?”
-“Would you vote for JM if you knew he was mentally unstable due to torture from his POW experience?”

That was all it took and McCain was out of the race.

The next thing I saw was McCain giving Bush the ol’ bear-hug on national television, still an internet Kodak moment. HE KNEW Bush and Rove had not only insulted his wife, his child, and himself, he knew they had made this crap up out of whole cloth.

Maverick???  Give me a break.

Sarah Palin??? Give our country a break.

What difference does it make how many times this person has posted KDelphi? It’s still the same old shit. More troll propaganda that is like I said, the same old IED’s, and the same old shit from the same ideologues who are either part of an organized smear effort, (and it’s a large one), or…they actually believe their own bullshit, which is just as bad. Like this:

• “Not only do I have to unwillingly vote for Obama but I have to persuade other Hillary supporters who don’t really WANT to vote for him because he’s such a lying slipslider.”

That’s what this new poster (I didn’t notice whether or not it was the first time the person posted) posted, and BS like this is fair game for whoever is either bold enough, cowardly enough, or just plain stupid enough to put it out there.

I’ve already told you KDelphi, that this forum just isn’t the ‘therapy’ group that you’re trying to make it, to apparently serve as some sounding board for you to listen to yourself, since apparently nobody else does in your real world. And, if I ‘look’ –cruel- which is what you’ve accused me of in another post, or if I ‘sound’ cruel, like you’re suggesting again here, then that is simply *your* perception, based on the fact that *you* are crazy as a loon!!! Why is it always the craziest that wanna ‘diagnosis’ everybody else? This is exactly why things are so jacked-up – Americans getting dumber instead of smarter, and compromised more and more by severe imbalances, and yet able to pass the dummy virus on the next, easily enough. 

Meantime, how did you know this new person was a female, and that she had apparently only posted for the first time then? Are you the self-designated ‘membership monitor’? Is your name really Sybil?

The ‘new poster’ *reads* a familiar tone. (at least to me).

cyrena—look at what youre saying! To someone who, as far as I can tell, has posted here for the first time!! “do you know much about politics? didnt think so”. You sound so cruel! YOu dont see ti, do you? Or do you. Or you just have a bunch of people around you who al agree with you. Its not like that outside your world.Do you only want people in here who agree with you? Because, except for an occasional right-winger, that is what it is starting to look like.Do you think other people have feelings? Why is it appropriate to attack her ( or anyone else) personally , because they disagree with you? There are SO many pro-Obama siters around these days.If she has never been here, (and prob never comes back) she must be shell-shocked! Its fucking crazy

Separad—I forgot to tell you—you’re not allowed to express an opinion here that cyrena and her gang disagree with. Sorry. I sometimes forget.It’s nothing personal to you—yet.

So what else is “new”?  That politicians here systematically pollute the social “atmosphere” they themselves must also inhale seems to this old Savage completely in-keeping with the “values” of theamericanpeople they pretend to vie to “lead.”  After all, the domesticated peoples have filled their habitat with electro-mechanical systems that not only compete with them for the very air they breath, these infernal devices go on to dump noxious wastes in huge quantities back into that same air.

And what kind of terminal idiocy is involved in the virtually religious regard in which flush toilets are held?  Pissing and shitting in one’s drinking water is suicidal insanity.  Yet there is not a peep about it from those papered professional experts who claim to be best fit to “regulate” the lives of all those “ordinary” people who are, by careful design, misguided and ill-informed.  Meantime, we are in the midst of yet another call-to-arms against “cancer.”  How about a concerted “Stand-Up” campaign to remedy the real ills here….willful stupidity, rampant greed, and their consequent “full-spectrum” artificial environment, which gets more toxic every day in every way? 

The whole “political process” has long been nothing but sleight-of-hand meant to distract the “electorate” from the wholesale shafting they’re getting from the gangbangers whose habitual rule-of-fear has once again metasticized into an outright reign-of-terror.  Presented for generations with nothing but “Hobson’s Choices,” it looks like theamericanpeople have pretty much resigned their selves and one another’s (not to mention their grandchildren’s “unto the seventh generation”) to a regime of institutionalized degredation truly monstrous in its designs and dimensions.

Anybody still think “fantasy football” is just a game….a “hobby” for tame two-leggeds fooled into thinking they’ve nothing better to do?

HokaHey!

By Sepharad, September 5 at 3:28 pm

•  “As a Hillary supporter who was resolved to back Obama before he began changing his mind about just about everything he ever said in the primary campaign—his new motto should be “Change We Can Deceive In”—I now find that I have to vote for him anyway. (At least I can live with Biden: he thinks attacking Iran is a very very very bad idea.) “

Gee Sepharad,
I see we have another addition of BS rhetoric with absolutely ZERO support, and you’re just pretty much all over the place here. First, Obama really has NOT changed his mind on much of anything at all. In fact, he’s been exceedingly *consistent* from day one, at least in terms of foreign policy, whether one agrees with him or not. (as an Obama supporter, I don’t entirely agree with him on everything, but there’s no doubt that he’s been consistent). So, aside from any changes based on CHANGING FACTS of REALITY, would you like to actually cite some ‘changes’ since what you call the ‘primary’ campaign.? And what the hell to you mean by the ‘primary’ campaign anyway.

Know much about politics? I didn’t think so. No I didn’t think you’d want to actually cite whatever claims you’re making, because you can’t.

•  “Not only do I have to unwillingly vote for Obama but I have to persuade other Hillary supporters who don’t really WANT to vote for him because he’s such a lying slipslider.”

You don’t have to vote for him, nor do you have to persuade any other former Hillary supporters to vote for him. Like I said, you’re all over the place, and really confused. You claim that you’re OK with Biden because he doesn’t want to attack Iran, but you claim to be a Hillary supporter. Here are the facts: Hillary was perfectly willing to attack Iran, and Obama has been ridiculed (from the beginning, and by Hillary) for preferring diplomacy. Remember when he was called ‘naïve’ for suggesting conversation with Iran without preconditions? Oh I know, that was just so long ago; too long ago for the 5 minute compromised attention span of stupidos. Remember when Hillary promised to OBLITERATE Iran? Oh yeah, that was at least 4 months ago. Forgot all about that, eh?
So, you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, right? And, based on that, there’s no advantage to anyone, for you to ‘unwillingly’ vote for Obama, or to convince anyone else to do the same. In fact, it would be better if you just “voted your conscience” (and you dimwit ideologues like to suggest you’re doing) and leave it up to others to employ their own rational in voting for whomever they choose.

And Big B takes a more nuanced look at it for those that support McCain that can understand nuance. Thank you. “What have we learned todaay>>>” Oh, never mind!! LOL

Lets do some reality checking, kiddies (although it usually dies on its own) McCain was confronted by a guy at a Town Hall that asked an almost indecipherable question about his OWN wife, in which he said, “...she;s a cunt, you know>>>?...”.As a lifelong, bleeding heart liberal, I have to say, McCain stopped him, and said (sortve unintelligable, too)“No, man. Dont say that. Alot of people find that offensive.” .Now, he prob SHOULD have said “I find that offensive.” Oh, well.The other YouTubes were made and produced by/for the mentally disabled, so, leave them alone!Unless youre in need of such special help. He DID allow someone in a Town Hall to ask, “How do we stop the bitch?” ie.Hillary Clinton (when she was doing well in the primary)He just laughed and, later, it said on Hillary’s site, he apologized.Hillary Clinton, like her or not, was treated like crap, but that should be a delight to you guys that love this misogynistic stuff. Got alot of girlfriends??Didnt think so.                                  As for Obama saying “the surge worked” (to get that dumbass interview with O’Really out of my head for life!)he said, “The surge worked in ways we had not imagined…and reduced the violence. ...but lacked any of the political reconciliation that is the key to stability there”.                                  I suggest that both parties are “human dividers” (they have to to win) and that we change this divisive duopoly system.

I am really tired of hearing how the surge worked.
Let’s look at what really happened, shall we?
The Bushies, who will never negotiate with terrorists, did the next best thing, they bought them off! Just prior to the surge the US began a policy of paying sunnis to not attack our solders. Then they paid the sheiks off as well by promising them control over their little pieces of Iraq. All the while we were completing all the new military bases(all built along the oil pipeline, do the research)so that the surge troops could step right in to do their real jobs, guard the oil.
These facts, along with the other truth about Iraqi reconstruction, that we have ethnically divided the nation, have led to american casualties falling and oil pumping. The ultimate goals of the surge.
Imagine, if this policy proves to work, maybe instead of attacking Iran, we could bribe them to be good boys, at least until the check clears.
What do you suppose Ho Chi Min’s price would have been?

You know,  crash McCain shows such a moxey ability to get mad at the show his temper tantrums during the right time, like; how many politicians call their wives a stupid cunt’s in public?  McCain’s shows this ability to say what he means when he wants, is what we need in a politician. After all he has a bus called the “Straight Takk Express” Look out Cuba, Russia and Iran, we got McCain who will not take crap from anyone, and you better watch out.

When a man treats his wife like women should be treated, then you know he is going to kick your Iranian arse. . Vote McCain the born again Christian, who knows woman’s place in society. I want that temper in the White House.  Maybe McCain can talk to the Iranians about how they should treat their wives?

So lets see McCain has a temper.So lets not elect a man who wont take crap from Iran,Cuba ,Russia, or Venezuela. What do you do now that Obama has admitted the surge worked,Lets hear how Bush and McCain were surprised that it worked. when they said all along it would…So if I,m to believe videos,I should believe the gay sex drug video that that idiot accused Obama of.ssssssssssss that’s the air escaping from your balloon.

KDelphi and Seph - sometimes you gotta slog through a lot of mud to get out of the abyss, but it’s better than jumping back down into the hole… hang in there

sepharad—believe me, I know just how you feel. While Hillary was not my first choice, I didnt buy the Sen Obama’;s stuff fro the start. But, I watched McCain and Palin last night (DVR) and I had forgotten how much I detest those people .Its a dilema, but if you dont vote for O, the entire country will go to hel and it wil be all your fault!! Sound familiar?

JoBart, you’re correct. We should be wary, like with T. Boone Pickin’s “plan.” haha. Warren Buffet at least takes issue with his secretary getting taxed on a higher rate than he, however. };>

I didn’t know John McCain was a War Hero, did you????

They oughta try to get that out.

If McCain had a bus called the “Straight Talk Express”, he would be stretching the truth and when does that become a lie?  “Half truths”, “white lies”, “outright lies”, “deception”, “twisting the truth”, just place express after the quotes and now you got it.

A working class hero is something to be           Keep ‘em doped on religion and sex and tv                                 and you think you’re so clever and classless and free         But you’re still fucking peasants as far as I can see.

Check out the video by Dr. Phillips, who was a POW with War hero McCain.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080915/pow_video

Virginia, power corrupts. However, we still have Warren Buffet to show wealth isn’t all stupid. };>

Just keep pushing this in people’s faces because it is the truth. The media is owned by corporate fascists. Most Americans are rarely, if ever, given actual points of view by progressives. The people who do know have an obligation to obtain as many facts as they can and tirelessly display them in bright neon signs.

The Republicans have no new ideas! It’s the slash and burn, divisive politics to gain power! All of it entails greed. Yeah, Democrats have their own special interests too, but it is significantly less scary than Republicans. I’m fine with voting for the lesser of two evils when one is a bee sting and the other is Rattlesnake venom.

you know what worries me most, Aegrus? is that many wealthy “Liberals” are basically following this mandate too - using liberalism as a cover-up (lots of hollow platitudes, no action) to make themselves feel “nice”.

ITW,

Right on the money, your post seems to call on some of it like it is. 

One thing that does not make sense, is the Corporations, seem to be letting the tail wag the dog?

The Light Wings love division, though. This is just red meat to their owners > workers campaign to disenfranchise more Americans from having successful and decent lives.

Work is a commodity, not a sense of pride and devotion to community.

Owners are masters. Everyone else is a surf. Feudalism lives.

War is great because it enables Lockheed Martin to make enormous profits!

People with different skin colors are evil because they want to take jobs away from hard-working white Americans… which we own too before you get too proud.

Destroy all public domain in favor of making taxes a thing of a past. Federal taxes, that is. Why should I give anything to this lowly worker who wasn’t fortunate enough to be born into a successful family?

Share with a community? No way! Your taxes are squandered profit that could be fattening private businesses. Let’s privatize the police and fire departments! Make all water available only in bottles! If it can be used, it should be profited on!

That is their agenda, and don’t you ever forget it. This is a war against Americans in the name of greed and profit. Light Wings cower in their citadels of wealth fearing what the majority of Americans might do if not for the divisions they wring into our society.

What an interesting election!  Both the Democrats and the Republicans are running AGAINST the Republican record of the last 8 years, in fact, against the Republican record of the last 28 years, since Ronald Reagan was elected.

As Jon Stewart asked last night of Huckabee: “So, since the Republicans broke it, only the Republicans can fix it????”

John McCain has said this isn’t a campaign about issues.  WANNA BET????

So…since they are on the brink of disaster, in a major “Me, Too!” swing, now the GOP is running for change, against the GOP…and watch how many idiots believe it and buy into it.

Already they are circulating chain emails that are filled with lies about Obama’s positions, deliberately distorting or outright reversing what he has said.

But what was also clear last night was that these neo-nazi fascist fanatics who think Sarah Palin and her whacked-out AOG views are normal, were downright resentful of McCain when he was talking about GOP flaws that have to be fixed.  Wrong crowd. These are the folks that think George Bush is the 2nd coming of Jesus. These are the folks that plug their ears unless they hear that all Democrats are commies, cowards and have signed a covenant to be agents of Hell and must be killed on sight.

It’s a cold comfort that McCain doesn’t think that way because his veep does.

You almost have to appreciate the rock and hard place that Mcsame finds himself in. He not only has to run against Barry, but he has to run against Bush as well! On the surface that would seem impossible, but this race is still within the margin of error. How? Mccain has always been a despicable human being. He has screwed over wives and business partners alike. Everthing he has ever achieved is because he took advantage of his relationships with wealthier, more accompliced people. He is a suckfish. He claimed to be a maverick, a different kind of repug. But when it came down to his moment of truth, he chose to once again sell out, this time to the christian wacko right. Just like all the mediocre repugs before him.
Yet he is still in this race!
Since Mccain is doing everything in his power to piss this election away, it must be something the dimmos are doing to keep him in it. Lets see, Barry has spent the last two weeks since the dimmo convention doing NOTHING! Oh he was in my backyard of western pa this past week speaking his empty platitudes to literally dozens of people in various photo ops, but hardly standing on a pedestal screaming ‘Look at me!” At one appearance he put his arm around a single mom who made minimum wage and asked what we can do to give her and her children the same opportunity that helped him and his mother(maybe her kids can go off and live with comfortably well off grandparents who send them to private school and give them opportunites that most children can only dream of) What are Barry and the dimmos thinking? Are they waiting to embarrass Mcsame in the debates? Debates don’t determine the winners of elections. Kerry cleaned Bush’s clock 4 years ago, Gore did the same in 2000. Perot made both Bush I and Clinton look like fools on national tv. Mondale embarrassed Reagan. AND THEY LOST!
I hate to use sports analogies, but if you let an inferior opponent hang around long enough, he might just beat you in the end.
Even an out of touch, vietnam era dinosaur, like Mccain.

Keep Your Eye on the Ball Folks the big ‘fake out’ is headed our way.
Palin is not only Unqualified to be VP, she has some serious issues both Prochoice & Prolifers will have a problem with..Namely her endangerment of her Child during Trigs birth. That story of Delivering a speech, flying back to AK, then back to her lil’ BFE town to FINALLY get medical attention for a Month early,Down Syndrome baby’s birth- will send Women From both sides WILD!
Any Woman who holds her responsilbity to children as her highest Priority WOULD have Sought IMMEDIATE MEDICAL ATTENTION! She sought None for about 8 hours-GOT on a plane moving AWAY from medical intervention and care. Granted Births can take over 24 hours, BUT when it is a MONTH early and already has health issues, Any woman who values her unborn child would have sought to have fetal monitors to assure the baby was not in distress (reason for Premature labor?),Would have wanted an Ultrasound to assure everything was where it belonged ( Cord Not Wrapped around it’s neck-aka Fetal Distress, aka Premature labor)
So Mac has some serious problems with his choice. Most are assuming her Weak Vetting was an over sight. I disagree, She was vetted very well, to be the ‘Fall Guy’, the Patsy…So when Mac just had to ‘cut her loose’ just before the election he would HAVE to find SOMEONE who could be a Quick stand in Replacement.Hmmm who would know everything that has been going on around the world, who would have the Experience of being a VP?
She was picked not to just get female voters (which she won’t anymore than any other, Neo Con),She was Choosen FOR her ‘Unacceptability’
Crazy, Crazy like a Fox. The Puppet masters have not suddenly gotten stupid, they’ve been at this game for Decades.
Cheney and his cronies have been running the country (and the Executive branch) For 40 yrs, think they are going to Retire Now? Their goal of Owning and dominating the Worlds Resources (thus humanity) is Sooo close at hand. One more War Dick? One more brick pulled out of our country’s economic foundation?
Watch what else ‘leaks’ out about Palin which will undermine her support by even ‘Evangelicals’. They have already pissed off many Old School Republicans, got the Democratic Base ‘Fired Up’....She’s close to taking a dive and it’s been only a Week.
Mid Oct will be about the time, ‘all hell will break loose’ and Mac will have to ‘do the right thing’ and let her go. And DICK will be standing behind the curtain ‘Ready to Go’.

Vice President wolf killer, a distraction from reality to fables.  Republicans shift the focus from issues to the typical distractions of not saying anything new, but attacking with half truths. When do half truths become outright lies?  Seems to me they are lies first and called half truths not to offend the liar.  We have been fed a steady diet of lies on a regular basis these last eight years. 

Republicans offer nothing, now they announce change? Palin the Republicans needed distraction to support an empty agenda for the American people but an agenda filled with more of the Bush same.