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Posted on Sep 3, 2008

By Amy Goodman

  ST. PAUL, Minn.—Government crackdowns on journalists are a true threat to democracy. As the Republican National Convention meets in St. Paul, Minn., this week, police are systematically targeting journalists. I was arrested with my two colleagues, “Democracy Now!” producers Sharif Abdel Kouddous and Nicole Salazar, while reporting on the first day of the RNC. I have been wrongly charged with a misdemeanor. My co-workers, who were simply reporting, may be charged with felony riot.

  The Democratic and Republican national conventions have become very expensive and protracted acts of political theater, essentially four-day-long advertisements for the major presidential candidates. Outside the fences, they have become major gatherings for grass-roots movements—for people to come, amidst the banners, bunting, flags and confetti, to express the rights enumerated in the Constitution’s First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

  Behind all the patriotic hyperbole that accompanies the conventions, and the thousands of journalists and media workers who arrive to cover the staged events, there are serious violations of the basic right of freedom of the press. Here on the streets of St. Paul, the press is free to report on the official proceedings of the RNC, but not to report on the police violence and mass arrests directed at those who have come to petition their government, to protest.

  It was Labor Day, and there was an anti-war march, with a huge turnout, with local families, students, veterans and people from around the country gathered to oppose the war. The protesters greatly outnumbered the Republican delegates.

  There was a positive, festive feeling, coupled with a growing anxiety about the course that Hurricane Gustav was taking, and whether New Orleans would be devastated anew. Later in the day, there was a splinter march. The police—clad in full body armor, with helmets, face shields, batons and canisters of pepper spray—charged. They forced marchers, onlookers and working journalists into a nearby parking lot, then surrounded the people and began handcuffing them.

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  Nicole was videotaping. Her tape of her own violent arrest is chilling. Police in riot gear charged her, yelling, “Get down on your face.” You hear her voice, clearly and repeatedly announcing “Press! Press! Where are we supposed to go?” She was trapped between parked cars. The camera drops to the pavement amidst Nicole’s screams of pain. Her face was smashed into the pavement, and she was bleeding from the nose, with the heavy officer with a boot or knee on her back. Another officer was pulling on her leg. Sharif was thrown up against the wall and kicked in the chest, and he was bleeding from his arm.

  I was at the Xcel Center on the convention floor, interviewing delegates. I had just made it to the Minnesota delegation when I got a call on my cell phone with news that Sharif and Nicole were being bloody arrested, in every sense. Filmmaker Rick Rowley of Big Noise Films and I raced on foot to the scene. Out of breath, we arrived at the parking lot. I went up to the line of riot police and asked to speak to a commanding officer, saying that they had arrested accredited journalists.

  Within seconds, they grabbed me, pulled me behind the police line and forcibly twisted my arms behind my back and handcuffed me, the rigid plastic cuffs digging into my wrists. I saw Sharif, his arm bloody, his credentials hanging from his neck. I repeated we were accredited journalists, whereupon a Secret Service agent came over and ripped my convention credential from my neck. I was taken to the St. Paul police garage where cages were set up for protesters. I was charged with obstruction of a peace officer. Nicole and Sharif were taken to jail, facing riot charges.

  The attack on and arrest of me and the “Democracy Now!” producers was not an isolated event. A video group called I-Witness Video was raided two days earlier. Another video documentary group, the Glass Bead Collective, was detained, with its computers and video cameras confiscated. On Wednesday, I-Witness Video was again raided, forced out of its office location. When I asked St. Paul Police Chief John Harrington how reporters are to operate in this atmosphere, he suggested, “By embedding reporters in our mobile field force.”

  On Monday night, hours after we were arrested, after much public outcry, Nicole, Sharif and I were released. That was our Labor Day. It’s all in a day’s work.

  Amy Goodman is the host of “Democracy Now!,” a daily international TV/radio news hour airing on more than 700 stations in North America.

  © 2008 Amy Goodman

  Distributed by King Features Syndicate


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By cann4ing, September 8, 2008 at 3:38 pm Link to this comment

mrogi:  If Amy Goodman sees a police officer beating someone who has done nothing but exercise their first amendment right to assembly and peaceful protest and reports on it, that makes her a Communist?  If she sees a police officer rescuing a victim, and reports on it, as she did during her coverage of Katrina, does that make her a fascist?

Stop trying to slay the messenger.

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By PatrickHenry, September 8, 2008 at 3:11 pm Link to this comment

By mrogi, September 8 at 1:51 pm #

The police have a difficult job sometimes even if there are too many of them.

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By KDelphi, September 8, 2008 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment

mrogi—are you a cop? ALL cops are “honorable people”?? Really? HOW is Goodman a “communist”? Most Americans wouldnt know a communist if they bit them in the ass! But I think I know a fascist when I hear one.

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By mrogi, September 8, 2008 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

Amy Goodman, in her fervor as a Marxist revolutionary, indulges in obligatory denigration and disparagement of the police. Amy and her ilk verbally defecate on cops as a rite of passage. Amy blithely dismisses the vital role police officers play in protecting our society from marauding thugs. Amy downplays the supreme sacrifice many cops have made by giving up their lives in the line of duty while defending society against violent criminals, psychopaths, and killers. Police officers are honorable men & women willing to die to protect Amy from violent anarchists who would assault her even while she defiantly defends their right to throw feces at cops.

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By cann4ing, September 8, 2008 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment

noen—Amy Goodman is what is sorely lacking throughout the corporate media—a real journalist unafraid to speak truth to power.  Her political views never interfere with her cutting thru the BS.  Outside of Bill Moyers, whom I believe is this nation’s finest journalist, there is no one else who even comes close to Amy Goodman.  Most of the people who call themselves journalists are really stenographers, incapable of analysis, entirely dependent upon their “official sources” to feed them the propaganda that passes for “news.”

So call her a leftist, a Commie or a Pinko if you like.  I say you are FOS.

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By Folktruther, September 8, 2008 at 11:52 am Link to this comment

I certainly don’t think you are an idiot, Fenwick, but cann4ing is correct, he shouldn’t be classified with the right wingers.  He is a liberal who strongly opposed the pre-emptive targeting of journalists.

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By noen, September 8, 2008 at 10:54 am Link to this comment
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Fenwig - no you are wrong you can ask the mods to verify. I am very liberal but I call it as I see it. I have not registered but I might, I came here following a link from Crooks and Liars.

Amy Goodman is a leftist, she’s a Marxist and a Communist, I am a Democrat. I appreciate having a different voice than the trad. Media, for whom I have zero respect. But everyone, everyone, has their own biases. Democracy Now is no different. Notice how we don’t get to see the footage Sharif Abdel Kouddous and Nicole Salazar shot. Notice how Amy doesn’t say what the situation was that got them arrested. Were they in the middle of an illegal demonstration? I bet they were. The police used excessive force I am sure but that is no excuse for rioting.

Were there agent provocateurs? Probably, there were also anarchists throwing feces and urine at the police too. I mean, it’s pretty convenient to blame the government isn’t it? That way you can throw your bricks or bags of urine at the police and then turn around and blame agent provocateurs. Not that they don’t exist, just that it is also convenient for those who are there to stir up trouble.

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By cann4ing, September 8, 2008 at 9:55 am Link to this comment

Wow!  I have been called a radical, a leftist, a Socialist, a Progressive Democrat (I am a member of PDA) but never, until Fenwick’s post, have I been lumped in with the fascists of the American right.

Me thinks, Fenwick, that you are an idiot.

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By Anarcissie, September 8, 2008 at 8:26 am Link to this comment

Folktruther and cyrena—I prefer the term left and its derivatives, for reasons which I think I have already given somewhere on this site but would be glad to repeat.  It is true that left has been sadly traduced, but this is the fate of most words representing hot ideological concepts.

As for progressive, as I’ve said, everyone’s a progressive.  You may think the Republicans are regressive, but I am sure most of them don’t think so and don’t say so.  The idea that one should be politically in favor of some unspecified thing called “progress” because progress is inevitably good is a piece of 19th century optimism which no one looking at the history of the 20th century rationally could agree to—large parts of developed, civilized Europe progressed to fascism, war and genocide of the most modern and advanced sort.  In the Germany of 1933, a little regression would have been a damned good thing.

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By Anarcissie, September 8, 2008 at 8:12 am Link to this comment

mrogi: <i>‘Both the left and the right have one thing in common; They both censor and suppress dissenting ideas and opinions.’

The Right, in the sense of the ruling class and its adherents, certainly do; that’s why news of the events we have been discussing were kept out of the mainstream media all over the U.S.

Suppression of dissent is foreign to the basic philosophy of the Left, but no doubt there are many mistaken or pseudo-leftists who want to go in for it.  However, in the U.S., leftists have virtually no public power, so it doesn’t matter very much.  Sometimes a bunch of people will gather and shout down an establishment-sanctified speaker, and there will be blithering about it for months; meanwhile, the ruling class’s mass media organizations shout down everyone else all day every day.

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By mrogi, September 8, 2008 at 2:03 am Link to this comment

Noen, you have stated the facts as an objective observer viewing the video will see it. Hopefully, you will be more fortunate than me and not be labeled a troll, a provocateur, an infection, a Karl Rove clone, a police agent, or a message board saboteur.

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By noen, September 8, 2008 at 12:11 am Link to this comment
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What really happened to Amy:
Having a press pass doesn’t mean you get to ignore the police. Here are the time indexes of the cop telling her to get out of his way:
:02 - “sidewalk”
:03 - “m’am, sidewalk”
:05 - “sidewa-”
:08 - “sidewalk”
:11 - “sidewalk now”
:12 - she tries to push back behind him saying “sir I want to talk-”
:12 - he turns around and asks, “Do i arrest her?”

In her version “when I asked to speak to the commanding officer, they arrested me”. She completely glosses over the fact that she was told multiple times to move to the sidewalk and was physically pushing up against the riot officer.

Amy Goodman was lawfully arrested and charged with obstructing an officer.

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By mrogi, September 7, 2008 at 10:46 pm Link to this comment

Both the left and the right have one thing in common; They both censor and suppress dissenting ideas and opinions.

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By Snowmass, September 7, 2008 at 10:00 pm Link to this comment
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mrogi is a shill…Our pages have become infected with his ilk..Wonder what the budget is for that program??? I am sure we are somehow paying for him..

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By cyrena, September 7, 2008 at 9:45 pm Link to this comment

By Anarcissie, September 7 at 6:29 pm
1.  Lose the term progressive.  It doesn’t mean anything because everybody’s a “progressive”.
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I dunno Anarcissie…don’t wanna pick a knit much, but I don’t think we can even begin to suggest that ‘everybody’s’ a ‘progressive’. I see 90% of the GOP as RE-gressive, and radically so.

In fact, we’re talking about Palin here, and so far, she’s sounding pretty much like the antithesis of progressive.

So, just a thought. I get your point, but this is all more of taking the English language back, or at least getting everybody on the same page for what is the standard meaning of common language.

Meantime, ‘progressive’ may not be the best term, but it’s no worse than the ‘directions’ as ideological indicators..left, right, crooked, straight, etc, etc.

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By Folktruther, September 7, 2008 at 9:29 pm Link to this comment

I’ve thought so too, Anarcissie. Polce provoteurs are standard in rank and file groups, so it would be natural, and easier and less expensive, to put them on rank and file discussions.

What are some of the terms you would substitute for “progressive.”

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By Strap und ze weinerschnitzel und ze cheesencracken, September 7, 2008 at 8:21 pm Link to this comment
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Amy,

I am still trying to convince the Ramsey County prosecutors that they should not charge you and other journalists arrested during the RNC. It is their own fault they confused you and your producers for Lou Dobbs, Pat Buchanan, and Jerome Corsi. I know you all look so much alike.

The police might have become suspicious when you tried to inform the public of the real terrorist meetings happening in the Xcel center. I suppose they made a certain association after seeing you there; journalist + terrorist meeting = terrorist journalist. However, it was curious that the police didn’t deploy their urban warriors there. The dispatcher must have confused “inside” with “outside” (the Xcel Center), which got us into this mess.

I still do not understand the “obstruction” charge. The police had at least 6 inches on you, and they could definitely see behind you. I swear the gas masks and other facial pornography did more “obstruction” you did. 

Anyway, all jokes aside, what you are saying about the press and journalists is totally important. Some here might disagree because there is a (flawed) logic that if you are a (properly credentialed) journalist (properly doing your job) at the scene of whatever demonstration (peaceful or violent) that you must be a part of that demonstration, and therefore a terrorist rioter. These could be those same people who feel that all (properly identified) firefighters (properly responding) to a fire (intentionally set or unintentionally set) must be conspirators of the fire, and therefore arsonists.

Since when did filming and interviewing protestors become rioting? And when did asking police officer a question about other journalists being held in custody become obstruction of legal processes? I mean, I know some like to live in the “just world” and believe that you and your fellow journalists must have done something wrong to deserve arrest. Some living in disneyland might even argue that you should not have been there in the first place. But, last I checked the press was supposed to be reporting from places where things are going on (whether “good” or “bad”) so that those living in the “just world” could stay there to receive their information and even pretend that there is a “liberal bias.” Let’s face it, the fact that any of us have a chance to talk about this story today was brought to us by journalists that weren’t in-bed-with the police. I find it striking that the sheriff seems to think the only proper way to report is by being embedded. Sound familiar?

Amy, we know that neither you nor your producers did anything wrong, and we know that the courts or the prosecutors will come to the same conclusions. However, I cannot end this long note by assuming that justice will prevail in the criminal justice system.

Even if you sued the pants off of the police for the violating your rights and intimidating you with charges, there is the broad financial cushion provided to the police by the RNC sponsors with bottomless, tax free (evasive) expense accounts. Yes, it is basically a ticket for the police to violate whatever rights they please. So, the gifts essentially undermine the whole concept of democracy and the law. It assumes that we do not care about the law and our rights as long as we are getting a lot of money when our rights are violated. Therein lies the crux of our problem. So much for democracy, huh?

Hope that we can talk together soon to resolve this larger problem. In the meantime, keep up the good work.

Thanks to you I can write these words.

Take care!

Sincerely,

Mark Twain

P.S. I could not think of a more conspicuous name than “Democracy Now!” that would permit others to idenify your show with “terrorist infidels.” Perhaps “Fascism Later!”? Just a thought.

P.S.(2.0) Was just kidding with that last one.

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By Anarcissie, September 7, 2008 at 7:29 pm Link to this comment

ender: ‘Sorry folks, but mrogi is just one of thousands of little Karl Rove wannabee Reichwingers that have watched the master spin lies and have learned the how to recreate the language to change the debate. ...’

Probably.  But if I were the trying to defend the privileges of the ruling class against the anti-authoritarian effects of the Internet, one of the things I think I’d do is hire a lot of people to disrupt leftist conversations.  That can be done simply by reciting newspaper propaganda as we’ve observed here, and in other ways as well, some of them more subtle.  For instance, one can delegitimate criticism of Israel by posting anti-Semitic rants; one can sabotage criticism of the roles of various government agencies with relation to 9/11 by positing wildly improbable conspiracy theories.  We (not just leftists, necessarily, but people interested in the truth) are going to have to work out ways of discovering the truth in spite of these efforts.

In terms of mere superficial rhetoric, however, I have two suggestions for lefties and liberals:

1.  Lose the term progressive.  It doesn’t mean anything because everybody’s a “progressive”.

2.  Forget the schoolyard taunts.  Those who need to be insulted will insult themselves.  For instance, I would not have thought to call Governor Palin a jihadi, but she herself described the invasion and occupation of Iraq as a holy war.  Her youth and supposed inexperience don’t matter a tenth as much as her worship of some sort of war god.  See what I mean?  No gibe will mean as much to the doubtful as the fact that, when she prays, she looks up not to the Prince of Peace but to Mars (or Satan, depending on who you think the god of war is).

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By cyrena, September 7, 2008 at 5:18 pm Link to this comment

Ender, I agree wholeheartedly and wholeheadedly..

“Progressives need to take back the English Language from the Reichwing to and redefine what the neocons agenda as a antifreedom proIndustrial Military Complex Agenda with the sole purpose of establishing a Corporate Fascist State.”

The reverse language rhetoric has been one of the larger thorns in my side.

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By cann4ing, September 7, 2008 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment

ender—fabulous description—Reichwinger.  I will have to remember that on future posts in taking on right wing trolls.

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By ender, September 7, 2008 at 3:50 pm Link to this comment

Sorry folks, but mrogi is just one of thousands of little Karl Rove wannabee Reichwingers that have watched the master spin lies and have learned the how to recreate the language to change the debate.  Like Global Warming is now climate change and the War Against Iraq is the now the Global War on Terror.  The Public Education system and Social Security are failed Socialist Experiments.

And the protesters at the RNC are not expressing their first amendment rights, but vandals that destroy property, though not one single incident like that happened.

Progressives need to take back the English Language from the Reichwing to and redefine what the neocons agenda as a antifreedom proIndustrial Military Complex Agenda with the sole purpose of establishing a Corporate Fascist State.

I see this even on my hometown newspaper website, Jacksonville.com, where the same group of cracker asses attack en mass and with the same language every progressive action and statement.

I think the Reichwing Blog Central, Townhall has been training them for years on the use of reverse language rhetoric.

We must learn to do the same thing, and learn to through bullshit lies on the wind against Palin/McSame just to see what sticks.

I want to see a more radicalized Democratic party that brings up McSame’s infidelity and the largest political flip flop in American History.

Remember when Gaggin’ Annie Coulter swore she would vote for Hillary before McSame?  We need to be reminding of that daily.

There is no left wing media to do this for us.  There are moderates and Fox and the moderates are all deathly afraid of the Republican Attack machine that will soon own all of the media outlets and put them out of jobs if they get real.

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By cann4ing, September 7, 2008 at 10:57 am Link to this comment

By mrogi, September 6 at 9:23 pm #

Amy Goodman put herself in the untenable position of being an apologist for the Brownshirt Nazi-like anarchists and psychopaths who showed up at the protests to break store windows, vandalize cars, throw urine on little old ladies and provoke violence.
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What utter rubbish.  Amy Goodman never defended the breaking of store windows, valalization of cars or throwing urine on little old ladies.  She did no more than inquire as to why they were arresting journalists who were covering a peaceful protest, and for that she was arrested and manhandled by riot police who resemble the Gestapo.

Do you go to some right wing site to come up with this Orwellian nonsense or do you make it up as you go along?

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By Penelope Reedy, September 7, 2008 at 6:56 am Link to this comment
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One thing that’s contributing to misconceptions about the press’s very important democratic role in our country are television programs like LAW AND ORDER. Script writers, under producer Dick Wolf’s leadership, consistently degrade the press. Detectives in the series view the press as a nuisance getting in the way of their investigations—also, characters USE the press by getting reporters to write false stories to flush out criminals. The abuse of journalistic ethics in this popular series is appalling and leads the public to misinterpret the role of the press in a free society.

We must find ways to re-establish respect for the press so that EVERY law enforcement officer and agency is taught to respect reporters on the scene, not consider them enemies.

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By Frank Nelson, September 7, 2008 at 6:29 am Link to this comment
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Re: Anarcissie, September 6 at 2:49 pm #

  Frank Nelson: Emily Rooney

I agree with you about the show, but sometimes it is worth the rude awakening to see the juxtaposition of real news (alternative media, Democracy Now!, INN Report, Thom Hartmann, etc.) and advertising.  By advertising I mean that MSM is really just used to project a narrowly focused set of right-wing, fascists dicta set around a series of unfolding events that they portray as being random and unconnected, or, in some case, the natural development of things.  I guess the most effective response would be to stop watching MSM entirely and hit the streets.  I think that is what they are really afraid of. 

As to your comment on mrogi:  I agree with you there also.  I think mrogi is a ex-military, PR person for the Minneapolis/St. Paul police.  There’s something about his/ her/ its refutation that is simplistic and deceptive which reminds me of a military mind. Short clipped declarative sentences-simple-minded.

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By Anarcissie, September 7, 2008 at 5:26 am Link to this comment

Paracelsus—I understood what you meant.  The picture “mrogi” gives, though, is not painted with a broad brush but with a wonderful tool that reverses everything in the picture.  I wonder if he, she or it is a pro.

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By Paracelsus, September 7, 2008 at 5:12 am Link to this comment

@Anarcissie

I meant to put in an adverb of negation in there- “not”.

‘… You paint Ms. Goodman’s actions with a very broad brush, which unfortunately does [not] give a good description of current events. ...’

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By Anarcissie, September 7, 2008 at 4:52 am Link to this comment

Paracelsus: ’... You paint Ms. Goodman’s actions with a very broad brush, which unfortunately does give a good description of current events. ...’

We see a large, armed, armored, black-uniformed man who has been threatening and arresting credentialed journalists confronting a small, unarmed woman and we say that it is the small, unarmed woman who is violent.  That is a broad brush indeed.

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By Paracelsus, September 6, 2008 at 11:16 pm Link to this comment

@mrogi

“Amy Goodman put herself in the untenable position of being an apologist for the Brownshirt Nazi-like anarchists and psychopaths who showed up at the protests to break store windows, vandalize cars, throw urine on little old ladies and provoke violence.”

You paint Ms. Goodman’s actions with a very broad brush, which unfortunately does give a good description of current events. You can paint a barn with that talent, but I can’t see you producing a sutble, sublime picture of a bridge over a pond of water lillies.

I think it is well recognized by most at Truthdig that violent riots are usually provoked by agents of the police. I beleive people like Glenn Spanola are the folks who you have valid complaints against. He is a professional revolutionary in my opinion. Somewhere there is a foundation backing him, much like the support professional rabbles of the illegal alien movements get from foundations to cause confusion and chaos.

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By Lucienette, September 6, 2008 at 10:53 pm Link to this comment
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As a person who had been falsely arrested. All I can say is Microsoft bullet one, toughen up. Microsoft bullet two, don’t talk to anyone except your attorney. Microsoft bullet three, if your peers are looking for socks and sweaters, look for cosmetiques as cameras could be waiting for you to leave the venue. Other than that, “Wink wink, nudge nudge.” Honestly, it’s not that serious except that the Republicancs will not give you a second of honestly. That is the business they are in. Learn to accept, then run like hell!

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By mrogi, September 6, 2008 at 10:23 pm Link to this comment

Amy Goodman put herself in the untenable position of being an apologist for the Brownshirt Nazi-like anarchists and psychopaths who showed up at the protests to break store windows, vandalize cars, throw urine on little old ladies and provoke violence. Amy has chosen to vilify the police who protect decent law abiding citizens from rampaging thugs.

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By Anarcissie, September 6, 2008 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment

Folktruther—the New York Times will advocate whatever its managers think is good for their class and individual interests.  So it was in the beginning, is now, and will be, maybe not world without end but for a long time.  No doubt most of them are well off, and Social Security taxes and payments beneath their personal financial radar, so the question for them is how best to manipulate the lower orders.  Lower payouts?  Higher taxes?  Means-testing?  They may also be fond of brokers and others who would stand to rake in billions if Social Security were privatized.  But in any case I think if you follow the interests of the owners and managers you’ll get the source of the opinion.

But do you think it’s a good idea to read New York Times editorials?  You must have a stronger stomach than I.

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By Anarcissie, September 6, 2008 at 3:49 pm Link to this comment

Frank Nelson: Emily Rooney, the daughter of Andy Rooney of CBS’s 60 Minutes fame, has a 1/2 hour tv show called “Beat the Press” on Friday nights on PBS. ... After last night’s dismissal of the police actions in Miineapolis, I think I’ll fill that time with exercise, or just pick my nose.’

PBS / NPR etc. are really, really bad politically.  I stopped listening to them sometime in between the invasion of Panama and the bombing of Serbia due to their constant, febrile jingoism, but sometimes I am constrained by sociability to be present while others listen or watch.  The show you are describing is an attempt to coopt the rather cogent media criticism delivered by FAIR and similar outfits on radio and in (alternative) print media by presenting a mockup of it deemed safe by the authorities.  The listeners/viewers are supposed to be deceived into believing they have heard the “other side”, “all sides of the issues”, etc. etc. etc.

If you know what’s going on, the rage caused by being smugly lied to and patronized can’t be good for your mental health.  In the case I recommend abstinence.

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By KDelphi, September 6, 2008 at 2:57 pm Link to this comment

Speaking of the NYT—has Maureen Dowd lost her cookies, or what??She used to be funny.

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By PatrickHenry, September 6, 2008 at 2:39 pm Link to this comment

By ender, September 6 at 1:28 pm #

Don’t forget who heads that organization, Chertoff, a dual citizen (legal loophole that needs closing) whose mother was mossad.

For Chertoff’s involvement in 9/11 he should be hung after being waterboarded.

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By ender, September 6, 2008 at 2:28 pm Link to this comment

I have participated in several anti-war rallies, but the heaviest handed gov’t preparation was at the CAFTA rally in Miami.

The Federal Gov’t through a dept of Homeland security spent 10s of $millions and 6 months preparing for the event.

They used spies, misinformation and instigators to create any possible cause to arrest protesters.  During the main rally they used undercover operators to direct participants away from the arena where the permit was issued for the stationary demsonstration.  They used undercovers to start a fight at the entrance and used that as an excuse to block entry.  I saw them pat the two ‘combatants’ on the ass and send them on their way after it was over with.  They then used the excuse that since the participants weren’t in the arena, they had to disperse.  Probably half of the attempted participants were turned away by hook and crook and made unable to join a legal protest.  During the march, they had over 5000 Wakenhut rent a pigs in full body armor with weapons lining most of the route.  They brought out armored vehicles with heavy caliber machine guns for extra intimmidation.

This is where your homeland security funding is going btw.  What does the RNC add up to?  $60-70 million or more?

All to block legal free speech.

BTW my congratulation to the anarchist at the CAFTA convention.  They were well enough organized to get into several of the closed events and make sure participants from other nation knew that Americans were not united behind the CAFTA rape of their resources and labor force.  CAFTA did not pass at that convention.

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By Paracelsus, September 6, 2008 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment

If government makes itself secure against free speech then what incentive does it have to change?

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By Folktruther, September 6, 2008 at 2:02 pm Link to this comment

Ender, what do these numbers have to do with manhandling and arresting journalists and others before any demonstrations are held?  I suspect your idea of ‘balance’ is that of the police.

Anararcissie, you may be right about the NYTIMES but I thought it was getting worse when an editorial expressed approval of McCain’s idea that social security had to be ‘reformed.’

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By Paracelsus, September 6, 2008 at 1:50 pm Link to this comment

“Any agency or any city that hosts an event of this size is placed in a position of trying to balance First Amendment and free expression with safety and security,” said city spokesman Tom Walsh.
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Where the hell do they get this “balance” idea? Freedom of speech is its own balance. This is propaganda and mind manipulation. You cannot have freedom of speech, with limited noted exceptions, if it must balance itself with security. There is no such animal as balanced free speech. If people are worried about being security minded with their free speech then they have already lost their right to free speech.

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By ender, September 6, 2008 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment

look at convention security in Denver
By The Associated Press – Aug 20, 2008

Denver — by the numbers:

_The Pepsi Center seats 20,000 in the enclosed arena; Invesco Field seats 76,000 in the open-air stadium.

_900 extra police, including 300 from neighboring Aurora. Colorado law was changed this year to allow out-of-state officers to come to Colorado cities.

_Police purchased 88 new pepper guns for the convention

_About 2,900 Army and Air guardsmen will help secure facilities and be ready to respond to chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear incidents. This includes two 500-man team with bio-suits, in case there’s a report about suspicious powder, for instance. Thousands of other guardsmen are available if necessary.

_About 100 Transportation Security Officers (airport screeners) will help the Secret Service with screening. In addition, special TSA strike teams comprised of air marshals, transportation security inspectors and officers, behavior detection officers and bomb-sniffing dogs, will conduct security sweeps before and during the convention.

_The Secret Service established 17 working groups for each convention that include officials from other federal, state and local agencies. The groups include air security, counterterrorism, public affairs, credentialing, crisis management and consequence management.

Denver — who is doing what:

_The Secret Service will conduct an eight-hour sweep of Invesco field starting at midnight Wednesday.

_The Federal Aviation Administration has restricted area airspace around Denver and designated that space “National Defense Airspace.”

_Two main thoroughfares — Speer Boulevard and Auraria Street Parkway — will be closed during the convention.

_Alternate routes have been designated for trucks and trains carrying hazardous material so that they pose no danger to the candidates and convention sites.

_Special gamma-imaging machines used to screen cargo at ports will be at the convention to inspect vehicles and packages 24 hours before the event starts.

_Customs and Border Protection will help in securing airspace around the convention sites.

_Analysts from Homeland Security’s Intelligence directorate will be working out of Colorado’s fusion center.

_The National Nuclear Security Administration will do a sweep of the venues for nuclear material, and undercover officials will walk around during the conventions with radiation detection equipment.

_Biggest security concern: “We do have quite a bit of intelligence, information on anarchist groups, on protesters who are intent on coming here to disrupt the convention with other than legal means,” said Jim Davis, FBI’s special agent in charge in Denver.

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look at convention security in St. Paul
By The Associated Press – Aug 20, 2008

St. Paul — by the numbers:

_The Xcel Energy Center can seat 20,000 people in the enclosed arena.

_90 state and local agencies will provide about 3,500 officers to secure the event.

_$34 million will be used to pay law enforcement officers overtime.

_$16 million will be used to train officers on how to work in large crowds and to purchase motorcycles, bicycles, radios, fuel, helmets, first aid kits and other emergency supplies.

_50,000 protesters are expected.

_About 2,100 Army and Air guardsmen will help to secure facilities and be ready to respond to chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear incidents. This includes a 500-man team, whose members look like riot police and carry batons, as well as another 500-man team with bio-suits in case there’s a report about suspicious chemicals, for instance. Thousands of other guardsmen are available if necessary.

_About 50 Transportation Security Officers (airport screeners) will help the Secret Service with screening at the convention center. In addition, special TSA strike teams comprised of air marshals, transportation security inspectors and officers, behavior detection officers and bomb-sniffing dogs, will conduct security sweeps before and during the convention.

_The Secret Service established 17 working groups for each convention that include officials from other federal, state and local agencies. The groups include, air security, counterterrorism, public affairs, credentialing, crisis management and consequence management.

St. Paul — who is doing what:

_The U.S. Coast Guard’s Deployable Operations Group (DOG) will provide maritime security, including boarding small boats, and air support.

_The Federal Aviation Administration has restricted area airspace around Minneapolis-St. Paul and designated that space “National Defense Airspace.”

_Special gamma-imaging machines used at ports will be at the convention to inspect vehicles and packages 24 hours before the event starts.

_Analysts from I&A;Homeland Security’s Intelligence directorate will be in St. Paul.

_Customs and Border Protection will help in securing airspace around the convention sites.

_The National Nuclear Security Administration will do a sweep of the venues for nuclear material, and undercover officials will walk around during the conventions with radiation detection equipment.

_Biggest security concern: “Any agency or any city that hosts an event of this size is placed in a position of trying to balance First Amendment and free expression with safety and security,” said city spokesman Tom Walsh.

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By Frank Nelson, September 6, 2008 at 12:01 pm Link to this comment
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Emily Rooney, the daughter of Andy Rooney of CBS’s 60 Minutes fame, has a 1/2 hour tv show called “Beat the Press” on Friday nights on PBS.  She, along with 3 guests from the media and universities, critique the news coverage.  Right at the end of last night’s show someone mentioned, almost under his or her breath (I couldn’t tell who brought it up), the arrests of the journalists at the RNC convention.  It was mentioned right at the tail end of segment on the murders of journalists in Russia. (Not to treat those stories lightly, Russia has not yet learned the “Suiciding” technique used in the West.)  Emily and another woman, a supposed journalists who writes on lifestyle issues, pooh poohed the story as if it were nothing at all, of no importance.  For Emily, it was nothing to write home about. 
I used to watch the show just to see how the “other half lived” and to get angry and feel superior.  After last night’s dismissal of the police actions in Miineapolis, I think I’ll fill that time with exercise, or just pick my nose.

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By KDelphi, September 6, 2008 at 11:58 am Link to this comment

I have a prob. with ANY political “movement” , party, whatever, that comes to be grouped under “one guy’s name”. If the group achieves anything, one of two things usually happen. The person lets down the people who helped him get there, WHEN he gets there!It’s usually unavoidable, as th “leader” has set such high expectations as to make it fated. OR the “leader ” dies and leaves the “faithful” draming up all kinds of wonderful things that would have happened if they had lived. Then, they become a saint, or, maybe , a religion or quasi-religion develops around them. A much more comon option than those two, is that, whenever tghings get worse, the loyal followers all scream about how yo should have gotten behind (fill in the blank). If things go well, followers say things would have gotten better faster with (fil im the blank) It’s just a narrowing circle! Whenever I hear people chanting someone’s name, like a clarion call to freedom—I always wonder how, if “their perons” won, they would free themselves from their savior long enough to think for themselves. I’ve listened to Paul—I’ve gotten mail from his supportes. Some of it is just so much malarky, but not alot more than just going “milquetoast” on your former supporters. I decided to NOt listen to Ron Paul anymore, when I saw that he had taken money from White Supremecist groups and reefused to give it back. Sure , he has the “freedom” to do that, if he chooses. I have the freedom to never listen to him again, because of it.

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By Shahani, September 6, 2008 at 11:40 am Link to this comment
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I’m trying to look at this situation from all sides. And coming from a student journalist’s perspective, of course I would say that what the police had done is horrible and they didn’t have the right whatsoever to brutally arrest accredited journalists. But in the midst of the riot and constant adrenaline rush, some should understand how and why police officers feel the need to arrest anyone in sight. And also, with all the independent journalists now (bloggers and many other people who carry notebooks, cameras and recorders with them), no one will be able to distinguish who is who and which is which. Some protesters actually claim to be “journalists” themselves by saying they write for their own “organization” or whatever. Although I fail to see why they would call themselves journalists when their reports should surely come out with bias.

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By Anarcissie, September 6, 2008 at 10:52 am Link to this comment

Folktruther: ’.... Like the Dems, the other media, the law, and all the other institutions, the NYTimes is going rapidly to the right.’

I don’t think it’s changed much over the years.  The Times enabled the War in Vietnam and both wars in Iraq by printing government propaganda uncritically.  But even on a lower level, most of the Times‘s writers seem to have an insufferable aura of entitlement and privilege based on their connections with very important people.  I gave up reading it many years ago because I found it difficult not to lose my temper.  However, when I heard that they had not mentioned the stormtrooper raids I did check in and used their search box.  All the references turned out to be bloggists asking why the Times hadn’t printed the story.  In the context, that’s actually more ominous than their lying about it, as if they’d gotten a phone call from Washington.

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By PatrickHenry, September 6, 2008 at 10:05 am Link to this comment

Political parties need to be changed from within, by members of the party.  Ron Paul understands this. 

Christian and Jewish zionists have taken over the upper echelons of the Republican and Democratic parties and a candidate must “kiss the ring” if they are to get favorable if any press.  AIPAC is the modt symbolic of this.

It all comes down to leaders and definitive ideas, irregardless of ideology.

“Progressive” is just another chic buzzword.

As to folktruthers assertion that the original Patrick Henry was a slave holder “in the day” I didn’t know he was famous for that.  I hope he was kind.

Don’t pay your taxes and see whose slave you are.

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By Folktruther, September 6, 2008 at 9:31 am Link to this comment

Your comment, PatrickHenry is a good example of why progressives distrust Ron Paul.  His followers favor freedom with any understanding of what it is.  If his representatives don’t want to be searched and supjected to Gop police state measure, they can join another party.  If you are not permitted to demonstrate, or journalists are not permitted to function, there is no point to parties at all.

You are supporting Ron Paul Freedom while taking the peudo-name of the PatrikHenry, the largest slave owner of his county.  This is not surprising.  Libertrianism has always served as the training ground of Gops, who pride themselves on denying freedom to others.

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By KDelphi, September 6, 2008 at 8:58 am Link to this comment

There is a place at Democracy NOw! (I get them by email), that asks /tells you where to send, emails and letters, call, to the police, prosecutors, etc. in Minnesota. They supposedly got 60,000 yesterday!It takes about 15 minutes, prob lesws , if you know your pc well. THANKS!

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By PatrickHenry, September 6, 2008 at 8:55 am Link to this comment

This stinks less than the Ron Paul delegates being searched for buttons and pro-Paul literature prior to admission to the RNC convention by the secret service.

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By Hala, September 6, 2008 at 8:35 am Link to this comment
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I find the Bush administration, and some republican ideals, to be very “third world”. I am from the third world, so I don’t need to walk on egg shells when criticizing my part of the world. In our countries a mercantile breed took charge and they only understand one principle “where’s the money”. Individual rights, decent health care and education, true diversity… that to them is “noise and static”. As a result some regressive religious groups who protest that start gaining strength. These aren’t the only ones protesting though, we have intelligent people who oppose that, but the narrow minded mercantile race stays in power anyway, thanks to support from… the US! The US admin supports the corrupt ex-Syrian puppets in Lebanon, and absurdly relabels them “anti-syrian”. It also vilifies the opposition lead by the Lebanese Free Patriotic movement, the only party in the middle east that peacefully protested the Syrian occupation from 1989 to 2005, and then only movement in the middle east that held masses in memory of 9/11, and sent aid to the affected US families. This is also a movement that in Lebanon decided to challenge sectarian (=racist) prejudices). Its our own civil right movement, to end religious segregation.  It therefore reached out to “taboo” Lebanese factions, ones with a less than spotless past, but that can’t be simply poked at with a stick if we want to bring them into modern citizenry. It found out that these factions started as groups of neglected alienated citizens, suffering from religious segregation by the mercantile government. It also found that this is repairable: just have an evolved government instead. It also apparently angered the US admin, because it seems the statu quo of religious segregation allows fueling religious vendettas, subduing the country, and in effect colonizing it. Divide and conquer… that’s a third world idea too, one people migrate to the US to run away from, because this place is supposed to be made of decent people.

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By John, September 6, 2008 at 6:36 am Link to this comment
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Whats the most effective way to respond to this?  I want to rattle the cages of my conrgesspeople and senators to let them know this is not how we work in this country. (or intend to).

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By Kim, September 6, 2008 at 5:27 am Link to this comment
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I think it’s important to stand right back from the situation and to take a whole perspective . This first thing is that the USA is owned . How did this come about ? - the USA - government and people ran up huge debt . They did this by massively funding luxuries ( in the broadest sense of the word ) that they could not afford . This debt is owned - hence the USA is owned .

The owners of this debt want to protect their investment and to do this they need to minimize the associated risks . They have done this by imposing all the restrictive legislation . Hence the ‘Fascist State’ is purely an exercise in risk management . All the goings on in the last 8 years - false flag operations , war , security legislation , Republicans and Democrats passing acts such as the Patriot Act , massive amounts of propaganda etc. - have just been acts of risk management .

Luxury is funded by a number of means :-
1) usage of slavery .
2) usage of favorable exchange rates .
3) overworking .
4) cheap energy .
5) lack or morality \ moral character . Doing things on the cheap . Not doing a proper job .
6) building in of long life of goods ( a more traditional way ) .

The usage of favorable exchange rates along with cheap energy and overworking have been the common methods used in our times . However the people doing the manufacturing along with the energy suppliers and the financiers are becoming the owners - the tables are being turned .

Lack or morality \ moral character . Doing things on the cheap - not doing a proper job - etc. - is also prevalent and is causing massive problems . It’s a sickness in society .

How do you get out of this mess ? - very simple - pay off your debt . Considering the size of the debt it wont be an easy exercise but it will be character building . But don’t forget - the people who hold the debt won’t want it paid off - they want you to maintain and increase the capital value of the debt and to provide them with a constant income .

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By Folktruther, September 5, 2008 at 8:25 pm Link to this comment

According to the local LA progressive news station, the military was called in, the march cancelled and anther four hundred people were arrested.

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By Folktruther, September 5, 2008 at 8:01 pm Link to this comment

I can’t stand to read the NYTime paper, Anarcissie, but in the internet addition they DID, way down the page, lead with a lie.  They said the police responded to violence, etc without mentioning that journalists were targeted BEFORE any demonstrations took place.

Like the Dems, the other media, the law, and all the other institutions, the NYTimes is going rapidly to the right.

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Geez Amy. All you had to do was put on an arm-band that said FOX NEWS. They never would have touched you.
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Yeah, the cops wouldn’t have, but she would have been surrounded by protesters chanting “fuck Fox News” like they did in Denver.

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By Rastus Jones, September 5, 2008 at 6:06 pm Link to this comment
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Geez Amy. All you had to do was put on an arm-band that said FOX NEWS. They never would have touched you.

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By Ona, September 5, 2008 at 5:42 pm Link to this comment
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possibly an correspondence/letter to the editor type flurry posted to the local St Paul paper and if you are concerned with the NYTimes then maybe letters to that board as well.

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By Anarcissie, September 5, 2008 at 2:21 pm Link to this comment

Folktruther: ’... But the Dems were complicit enablers of assault on progressive journalists by the complete silence of Dem leaders on these attacks. ...’

It is interesting in this regard that the New York Times has apparently still not published anything about the stormtrooper raids, yet the subject is being brought up repeatedly in their blogs—people are asking why the story is not reported, and commenting on it as it appears in other sources, like Democracy Now.  You would think the Times would follow standard procedure and lead with a lie instead of letting the story grow and spread.

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By James (II), September 5, 2008 at 2:18 pm Link to this comment
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I wonder how long it will take for all to finally come to realize, that what has been constructed that so-goes against our “Sweet Liberty” - as Patrick Henry so reverentially referred to it - will not be gotten rid-of by means of any sorts of remedies, compliments of “their” system! (Guaranteed!)

As the well meaning cop so aptly advised him “Go home, Mr. Gittes, it’s Chinatown!”

Well, with the possible exception of a handful of smaller townships, where those who labor and pay for it all are still firmly in-control of their executive and constabulary powers, it’s ALL “Chinatown”, as in “. . . he OWNS the police!”, another great line from that reality lesson disguised as mere entertainment.

Let’s face it!

Before our ‘whatever it is now’ becomes yet sweet again, very, very much of ‘ugly’ is going to have to be endured! Count on it!

This THING which now has hold of all our necks, practically, is not going to talked, legislated, cajoled, reasoned or freightened back to a blissful state of reasonableness and livability!

Very much to-the-contrary, actually.

Just as it was with old King George III in pre-Revolutionary days, there is but ONE THING that the THING understands to perfection-absolute: the application of irresistible, raw, brute force, which of course was what the Revolution, and the true Spirit of ‘76, was all about, and nothing less.

Best that we might endeavor to get back to that purest state of idealism, and clear-eyed understanding of effectuating mechanism, ans what things are NOT those, which is most everything else that distracts us.

For one, I would recommend getting up-close and familiar with our PRIMARY DOCUMENT, that one which laid out both the moral and logical basis for the entire of what “Americanism” truly is, and the way it can be re-captured once lost.

“The Declaration Remedy”, as I here dub it to be, is that one described as being a “right”, and more powerfully yet, a “duty”, will, in the end, be found to have been THE SOLE ‘prime directive’ required.

So-far we have had TWO constitutions!

The one presently in-effect has been turned on it’s head and made practically into a weapon for use against us! (Could any other fact be more obvious?)

It has been said by a sage very wise, that the THIRD TRY is the one that possesses the charm! I believe it!

NOW HEAR THIS: next time around, they SHALL BE bound-down well, and accountability to lawful law to all would-be leaders and representatives who might hold on-loan, our sacred trust lent them, SHALL BE impressed of this perpetually, this in contradistinction to our condition of decrepit ‘now’!

(After perusing the first draft of the second Constitution, Patrick Henry rhetorically inquired of it’s deliverers, as to whereat the “accountability” in it might be found?! What ensued (naturally) was silence as there WAS NONE to be, just as it was meant to be! Thereafter, America’s first patriot referred to the second Constitution - a suspect creature hewn in secretation, in the hidden dark - as “that rag!” and rightly so.)

So . . . for HOW LONG, I ask, is it to be nibbling at the edges of matters, and tilting at windmills, squandering frivolously our precious coin of time???

For how long?

James (II)

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By FUJITA6, September 5, 2008 at 11:38 am Link to this comment

A critical key fact from Amy Goodman’s explanation is this chilling detail, that will often be overlooked:

“I repeated we were accredited journalists, whereupon a Secret Service agent came over and ripped my convention credential from my neck.”

The executive branch is commanded by the President of the United States. This was an Executive Branch action. On its face and “as-applied” it is openly hostile to the First Amendment’ s guarantees. It goes to the White House. That’s where it began, where it was planned. You will notice that all executive authority at that level is mum. Not one word. They said all they wanted said when they had their Stasi kick journalists into the pavement. They appear to have enjoyed the bloody violence. WOW! Lenin at home. This is truly amazing but not nearly so amazing as American tolerance for this lawlessness, especially by prosecutors and judges.

These are truly exciting times.

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By Folktruther, September 5, 2008 at 10:52 am Link to this comment

The ruling class of a power structure, KDelphi, can only rule over historical time if the people they rule are indoctrinated toidentify with the interests of power rather than the interests of the people ruled by power.  The people of the US are so indoctrinated, especially in the TV age.

So most of the American population, to the extent that they are conscious of the police repression at all, might well be in favor of it, since they are taught to be in favor of Law and Order against Criminals.  And if the journalists and protesters were not criminals, why would the police brutalize and arrest them?  This makes no rational sense, but we are talking here of power, not sense.

So the Gops and Dems who carried and legitimated this attack look bad only to the progressive population, a small fraction of the general population.  Anarcissie indicated that the police chief as well as the mayor were Dems but their party doesn’t matter.  Both Dems and Gops take their lead from the ruling class who require a police state for their neocon policies.

But in addition, a significant fraction of the Gops, which may well be a majority, WANT a police state in the US, because they are Tough and believe violence is the epotime of strength and power.  In fact, it is a sign of weakness, since the most effective power is getting people to do what you want because they they you have convinced them that it is right or good.  That is why violence occrurs when regimes are at the end of their rule.  It is the last resort of a dying power system which is leading US society into a form of technological barbarism, which the American truth organs have taught us to call Civilization.

The European population think that US society is deeply corrupt. But the US bullies and bribes their leaders to follow US neocon policy, and their own Zionists, which are fewer than in the US, support US and Israeli policy.  Sooner or later European leaders will be forced to listen to their populations, and separate themselves from neocon policies.  And precisely because of this kind of fascist action at the Gop convention center.

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By KDelphi, September 5, 2008 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie—good point, and I would strongly agree!

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By Tim, September 5, 2008 at 9:47 am Link to this comment
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The arrests serve two purposes. One, they intimidate other journalists. Two, they get you off the street and prevent you from doing your job for the duration of your arrest. Even if you are found innocent of anything, you have still been prevented from reporting.
We are living in a police state.

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By cann4ing, September 5, 2008 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

mrogi:  I’d suggest you go to Democracy Now and learn what really happened.  Their producers were covering a peaceful protest.  The riot police, sweeping in from two sides, cornered the protest.  While they shouted to disburse, there was nowhere to go.  Then the police moved in and walloped them—shades of the police riot carried out by the Chicago PD outside the 1968 DNC.

This, along with the previous preemptive raids, was a carefully calculated assault on the first amendment rights of all Americans.  It is the police and not the reporters who should be investigated; brought up on charges.

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By KDelphi, September 5, 2008 at 9:22 am Link to this comment

is a legal protest, allowed to be stopped by some single cop on the beat (if that is, in fact, who they were!)who decides it is time to “disperse”? Who says it was? If the GOP werwe smart, they would allow the dissent, and show that they believe in free speech—they couldve looked better after what ahppened in Denver—now they just look horrible!Now. all you “law and order” folks, that, evidently fel “safer” now, go out and get the murdurous lawbreakers—Bush, Cheney, Rice, et AL! i’LL BE ROOTING FOR YU!

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By Ona, September 5, 2008 at 9:14 am Link to this comment
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I hope the Free Media Conference (held in MN this year…)addressed some of the issues that must be dealt with since the overt display of calamity brought on by the arrests and continued violations coming from the Repub’s Convention. I’d like to read some comments on how to proceed from this point.

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By Anarcissie, September 5, 2008 at 9:13 am Link to this comment

KDelphi—I was just trying to clarify what I meant.  I’m using the word liberal in the poli-sci sense, to refer to a particular political philosophy (described in previous messages).  The connection of liberalism to capitalism helps us understand otherwise mysterious phenomena, such as why people who subscribe to liberal ideas (the mayor and police chief of St. Paul, both Democrats, I am told) are afraid of a small group of people who serve free vegan meals—to the extent that they had them arrested and are charging them with terrorism, when of course it is actually their nominally liberal government that sent heavily armed stormtroopers to terrorize people in the middle of the night.

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By Folktruther, September 5, 2008 at 8:59 am Link to this comment

As camm4ing has pointed out, the police raids on journalists and others BEFORE they were even accused of breaking the law, on the pretext that it was suspected by the state that they might break the law in the future, is much worse than the previous police repression.  And it was supported in the corporate mass media by the journalists who were threatened with this type of brutalization and oppression if they got out of line.

Real democracy cannot function if the population is systematically deluded and deprived of information of the real state of power affairs.  The pre-emptive attack on journalists, like the pre-emptive attack on other countries in American foreign policy, deprives the American people of any means of systematic opposition in the mass media to the authorized truth of the state.  The media is largely controlled by the ruling class, deludes the population, and suppresses the reality-based truth.  This is essential in a police state.

Cann4ing attributes this to the right wing cabal of the Gop Bushites in power.  But the Dems were complicit enablers of assault on progressive journalists by the complete silence of Dem leaders on these attacks.  Obiden, who is for Change You Can Believe In, said nothing; Kennedy said nothing; Kucinich said nothing, Pelosi said nothing; Dem Senators, Reps, public officials all remained silent while these pre-emptive raids were carried out.

I beg your pardon, one notable Dem did speak out.  The mayor of St. Paul, Chris Coleman, a rising star in the Dem party who is increasingly mentioned for governor, did speak out. HE SPOKE OUT FOR THE RAIDS.  He got up on his hind legs with the police chief and praise the “restraint” of the police in brutalizing the suspected protesters.  He was thus in sinc with the mass media, the legal system, and the two political parties, all financed by the American ruling class.

The Dems have more of an interest now in suppressing dissent on the left since Obiden is now committed to increasing war abroad and maintaining class inequality.  And Obama has already signaled that he is on board by voting for lawless spying on the population and voting against a filibuster of it.  Since he is commiteed to increasing the military and the war against Pakistan, which has already started, he must suppress dissent against it, as the Democrat Johnson did the during Vietnam war.

The leaders of both parties, financed by the ruling class, support a police state.  But a Hitler will not come to power to destroy the Weimar republic unless martial law is declared.  The institutions of fake Democracy will stay in place, drained of people power. Just as the Roman Emperor, a military dictator, pretended to the Roman people that he was ruled by the Senate which ruled in the Republic.  A rich aristocracy that went along with the fraud. 

We are being ruled by a Democratic police state, where both parties give speeches praising Our Democracy and Our Freedom.  Which they are imposing abroad by killing hundreds of thousands of people.

You will help get rid of the Bushites by supporting Obiden.  But you will not get rid of the police state and the increasing impoverishment, war and inequality which it is needed to maintain.

It is quite true, however, that what I am saying here is not the Audacity of Hope that Obama proclaimed.  Because that Hope is delusionary.  What we want to believe rather than the reality based truth. 

But it is the reality based truth, rather than our wished for truth, what we want to happen, that we have to understand emotionally to defend us from our enemies.  And our main enemies, unpleasant as it is to realize it,  are our own mainstream political leaders.  Of both parties.

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By Folktruther, September 5, 2008 at 8:59 am Link to this comment

As camm4ing has pointed out, the police raids on journalists and others BEFORE they were even accused of breaking the law, on the pretext that it was suspected by the state that they might break the law in the future, is much worse than the previous police repression.  And it was supported in the corporate mass media by the journalists who were threatened with this type of brutalization and oppression if they got out of line.

Real democracy cannot function if the population is systematically deluded and deprived of information of the real state of power affairs.  The pre-emptive attack on journalists, like the pre-emptive attack on other countries in American foreign policy, deprives the American people of any means of systematic opposition in the mass media to the authorized truth of the state.  The media is largely controlled by the ruling class, deludes the population, and suppresses the reality-based truth.  This is essential in a police state.

Cann4ing attributes this to the right wing cabal of the Gop Bushites in power.  But the Dems were complicit enablers of assault on progressive journalists by the complete silence of Dem leaders on these attacks.  Obiden, who is for Change You Can Believe In, said nothing; Kennedy said nothing; Kucinich said nothing, Pelosi said nothing; Dem Senators, Reps, public officials all remained silent while these pre-emptive raids were carried out.

I beg your pardon, one notable Dem did speak out.  The mayor of St. Paul, Chris Coleman, a rising star in the Dem party who is increasingly mentioned for governor, did speak out. HE SPOKE OUT FOR THE RAIDS.  He got up on his hind legs with the police chief and praise the “restraint” of the police in brutalizing the suspected protesters.  He was thus in sinc with the mass media, the legal system, and the two political parties, all financed by the American ruling class.

The Dems have more of an interest now in suppressing dissent on the left since Obiden is now committed to increasing war abroad and maintaining class inequality.  And Obama has already signaled that he is on board by voting for lawless spying on the population and voting against a filibuster of it.  Since he is commiteed to increasing the military and the war against Pakistan, which has already started, he must suppress dissent against it, as the Democrat Johnson did the during Vietnam war.

The leaders of both parties, financed by the ruling class, support a police state.  But a Hitler will not come to power to destroy the Weimar republic unless martial law is declared.  The institutions of fake Democracy will stay in place, drained of people power. Just as the Roman Emperor, a military dictator, pretended to the Roman people that he was ruled by the Senate which ruled in the Republic.  A rich aristocracy that went along with the fraud. 

We are being ruled by a Democratic police state, where both parties give speeches praising Our Democracy and Our Freedom.  Which they are imposing abroad by killing hundreds of thousands of people.

You will help get rid of the Bushites by supporting Obiden.  But you will not get rid of the police state and the increasing impoverishment, war and inequality which it is needed to maintain.

It is quite true, however, that what I am saying here is not the Audacity of Hope that Obama proclaimed.  Because that Hope is delusionary.  What we want to believe rather than the reality based truth. 

But it is the reality based truth, rather than our wished for truth, what we want to happen, that we have to understand emotionally to defend us from our enemies.  And our main enemies, unpleasant as it is to realize it,  are our own mainstream political leaders.

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By mrogi, September 5, 2008 at 8:11 am Link to this comment

Amy is usually right; but this time she is dead wrong. She deserved to be arrested. Amy demanded a street level Q & A session with riot police while they were working to quell a chaotic situation. The cops patiently and repeatedly instructed Amy to get out of the street and back on the sidewalk. She adamantly refused and was justifiably arrested. Anybody who watched the video can see what happened.

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By Gloria Picchetti, September 5, 2008 at 6:51 am Link to this comment
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Amy where have you been? At one of the Starbucks that is still open? Get a clue. The media has ignored protests against all Republican events just about when Georgie The Hitler Channeler started running for president. This is not your mother’s United States of America. Bye Bye Miss American Pie. It’s all over. I only wonder what color arm band I will have to wear? I love Jesus but won’t set foot in church unless it’s a wedding or funeral. Well, there was a particularly nice cathedral a friend in Nantes showed me but that was only for the sake of history.

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By Peter Sirois, September 5, 2008 at 4:59 am Link to this comment
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I saw a photo in the Truthout revisit story about Amy Goodman’s arrest at the RNC. The photo showed a peace (?) officer with his knee driven into the back of an AP reporter’s neck while cuffing him on the ground. To me, this is an accurate representation of the “New AmeriKKKa”.

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By michael fury, September 5, 2008 at 4:59 am Link to this comment
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Do you really think you can fail to expose the 9/11 Reichstag Fire and keep your Bill of Rights? Already the First, Fourth and Eighth Amendments are dead letters. Expose the false-flag terror racket now or get used to the idea of your children growing up with fascism.

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By Paracelsus, September 5, 2008 at 1:21 am Link to this comment

“Amy is delusional.”

Yep, if you are not agreeing with the program then you are mentally ill. I need some A-1 sauce to go with my poop steak.

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By Paracelsus, September 5, 2008 at 1:18 am Link to this comment

“When Amy found out about the arrests she rushed into the street and demanded the cops answer her questions. The riot police were under no obligation to provide Amy with answers. They told her to get back on the sidewalk, she refused and got arrested.”

That’s right the cops can rest anybody they want without probable cause or a warrant or a statement. Habeus corpusno longer exists under martial law. Yep, we’re suppose to be good slaves now.

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By Paracelsus, September 5, 2008 at 12:48 am Link to this comment

“Amy Goodman’s producers followed a group of protesters into an unauthorized area. The cops told the crowd to disperse and they refused.”

The whole country is an unauthorized area, aye? Quit swallowing this poop.

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By mrogi, September 5, 2008 at 12:34 am Link to this comment

Amy Goodman’s producers followed a group of protesters into an unauthorized area. The cops told the crowd to disperse and they refused. Those in that group were arrested. Amy’s producers were in that group. When Amy found out about the arrests she rushed into the street and demanded the cops answer her questions. The riot police were under no obligation to provide Amy with answers. They told her to get back on the sidewalk, she refused and got arrested. A press credential does not give anybody carte blanche to disregard police instructions. Amy is delusional.

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By albertchampion, September 4, 2008 at 9:28 pm Link to this comment
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a democratic republic: deader than a doorknob.

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By Sydney, September 4, 2008 at 9:11 pm Link to this comment
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I saw the video of Nicole Salazar being brutally assaulted by the police. She was clearly screaming that she was press. Her treatment and the treatment of Amy and Sharif were not justified. If laws were broken, then yes, arrests were warranted, however, Amy, Nicole and Sharif broke no laws. The Constitution protects freedom of press and freedom of speech, therefore the cops violated their constitutional rights but in this day and age, that is to be expected. Without real press reporting the truth, all we are left with is the mainstream media and their brainwashing tactics. Keep fighting Amy; there are plenty of people that stand behind you! People are scared of democracy or want to take it away because they do not want to know the truth; they prefer to live life with blinders on.

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By 911truthdotorg, September 4, 2008 at 8:43 pm Link to this comment

I’ll bet that if their name was “Bombs Not Food” they would have been given the key to the city!

OpEdNews

Original Content at http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=9037

September 3, 2008

“Food Not Bombs” Charged Under Patriot Act

By Brian Wolf

After raiding the homes and offices of FNB for feeding the poor, they are now being charged under The Patriot Act

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Authored by Keith McHenry, Food Not Bombs Founder.

Ramsey County Charges Nonviolent Food Not Bombs volunteers Under State
Patriot Act, Alleges Acts of Terrorism

In what appears to be the first use of criminal charges under the 2002
Minnesota version of the Federal Patriot Act, Ramsey County Prosecutors
have formally charged 8 alleged leaders of the RNC Welcoming Committee
with Conspiracy to Riot in Furtherance of Terrorism. Monica Bicking,
Eryn Trimmer, Luce Guillen Givins, Erik Oseland, Nathanael Secor,
Robert Czernik, Garrett Fitzgerald, and Max Spector, face up to 7 1/2
years in prison under the terrorism enhancement charge which allows for
a 50% increase in the maximum penalty.

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By 911truthdotorg, September 4, 2008 at 8:41 pm Link to this comment

I’ll bet that if their name was “Bombs Not Food” they would have been given the key to the city!

OpEdNews
Original Content at http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=9037

September 3, 2008

“Food Not Bombs” Charged Under Patriot Act

By Brian Wolf

After raiding the homes and offices of FNB for feeding the poor, they are now being charged under The Patriot Act

::::::::

Authored by Keith McHenry, Food Not Bombs Founder.

Ramsey County Charges Nonviolent Food Not Bombs volunteers Under State
Patriot Act, Alleges Acts of Terrorism

In what appears to be the first use of criminal charges under the 2002
Minnesota version of the Federal Patriot Act, Ramsey County Prosecutors
have formally charged 8 alleged leaders of the RNC Welcoming Committee
with Conspiracy to Riot in Furtherance of Terrorism. Monica Bicking,
Eryn Trimmer, Luce Guillen Givins, Erik Oseland, Nathanael Secor,
Robert Czernik, Garrett Fitzgerald, and Max Spector, face up to 7 1/2
years in prison under the terrorism enhancement charge which allows for
a 50% increase in the maximum penalty.

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By KDelphi, September 4, 2008 at 8:39 pm Link to this comment

I didnt mean to be confrontive. I guess I was just trying to make a point, and it looked like I was confronting you about “terms”—I’m sorry. The point I was trying to make (poorly , it seems) is that, in recent uS history (and maybe even Jefferson ,now that you mention him!)ther are no real liberals/progressives in the govt.I think that the US is so conservative (compared to other western “democracies”) that who we say is “liberal” (say, Obama or Kerry) would actually be considered a conservative in the UK, or France. Is that making sense? I alwasy forget that I am TYPING—not coversing . Havent been at this very long.

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By cann4ing, September 4, 2008 at 8:16 pm Link to this comment

The arrest of Amy Goodman, one of this nation’s finest journalist, a true national treasure, is the product of an eight year assault on the first amendment rights of all citizens, especially as it pertains to the right to peacefully assemble and present grievances to the government.  At the 2004 DNC, protesters were shunted off to a barbed wire-enclosed “protest pit” which many dubbed “Camp X-ray” for its resemblance to Guantanamo.  The 2004 RNC was worse—massive sweeps with construction netting in which citizens were rounded up indiscriminately, like schools of fish.  As bad as those were, this year’s RNC is infinitely worse, with the police staging preemptive arrests of people gathered in homes in advance of the convention, with laptops, cameras and the like seized, and now this violent assault on the Democracy Now staff.

It is at least a bit curious that Democracy Now had covered the previous preemptive arrests, though as Amy points out, they were not the only journalists who appear to have been targeted.  An assault on the press is an assault on democracy itself.

I think this event should serve as a dire warning to all just how important it is to rid the nation of the fascist right wing cabal that underwrites not only the Bush/Cheney regime but the McCain/Palin campaign, lest we wake up to see our republic suffer the same fate as the Weimar Republic.

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By cy00, September 4, 2008 at 8:15 pm Link to this comment
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When those fine and peaceful Americans are treated in the US city streets as such, it’s terrifying to imagine how people are treated by authorities when no one is watching? I thought these horrendous behaviors could only happen in Zimbabwe! Which American leaders have been sharply criticizing recently. What a shame, so much for democracy(republican style)

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By anonymous, September 4, 2008 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment
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can’t wait to hear about the lawsuit amy, keep us posted

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By Muscleboy, September 4, 2008 at 6:26 pm Link to this comment

The bulimic prosecutor for Ramsey county Minnesota came out before the cameras and said how her office was going to continue the the nightmare that St. Paul police and the FBI (keep in mind the nazi monolithic police state including the fusion centers is run by the demented Bush administration) had rained down on the fine Americans who were protesting the horrendous evil of the Republican party.  They are the best of us and they were treated like dogs.

The prosecutor said in quotes “RNC welcoming committee” as if that was proof of the terror program of the young people the twisted psychopaths of Minnesota decided to arrest and charge as terrorists.  The welcoming committee was an organizing group whose main purpose was to welcome other freedom loving people from around the country to join in the protests and events in the area and make sure they were cared for and had a good experience. 

The Sheriff Bob Fletcher with his borderline personality disorder came out before cameras to point at all the weapons of terror his hitlerian foot soldier terrorists had confiscated.  He especially focused on a few drums of urine and such as examples.  It turns out they were created by a renter who occupied a room above the garage and had no connection with the protests whatsoever. He used the buckets because he had no bathroom there.  The other weapons of terror were really just odds and ends that so many people end up with in their garages and basements.  Just junk.  He put two pieces of orange plastic together and said they were to be used as a shield.  It was just ridiculous.  The man is a clown.

The real terrorists are the morons running the police services of Minneapolis St Paul and the evil bush administration appears to have a very substantial role.  Remember Bush allocated some 100 million dollars for so-called local policing just for the two conventions.  St. Paul police have hounded the good people of I-witness video who had so successfully exposed police fraud in the RNC of NYC last time around.  Yesterday they just walked into the law offices building housing I-Witness videos St. Paul operations claiming that got a report form the RNC that there was “anarchists holding hostages there” thus allowing them to enter with no warrant.  I don’t know but I think this warrants a boycott of Minnesota plus whatever legal actions that can possibly be made.  The cities have a pact with the Republicans that they will cover up to 10 million dollars in law suits.  There behavior is completely outrageous.

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By Anarcissie, September 4, 2008 at 6:21 pm Link to this comment

KDelphi: ‘I dont “object” to it. I just dont think that ir is the system of a true liberal…’

What word would you prefer me to use?  I want to refer to the family of political systems described by Locke, Jefferson (Declaration of Independence), Mill, etc., and continuing into the 20th century with such as Wilson, FDR, Lyndon Johnson and probably a lot of “conservatives” as well.  Believe in rights of life, liberty, property, privacy, association, contract, due process, equality before the law, freedom of religion, speech and thought, individualism, etc. etc. etc.

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By KDelphi, September 4, 2008 at 6:05 pm Link to this comment

Thansk for the post. Alot of people wil be awaiting Obama’s speech on these issues. Yes, I think that th4esse cops need to be locked up, and , with them , Dubya and his cohorts.

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By Emily Amherst, September 4, 2008 at 4:30 pm Link to this comment
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I think the officer’s acts constitute treason.  I believe each officer should be hunted down and charged with treason.  An example needs to be made of those officers that crossed the line.  And the notion that “I was simple following orders” should not be accepted.  I have no doubt that some of those officers knew that what they were doing was wrong.  It is part of their duty as a officer to defend the peoples liberties and stop those that would violate them, even in their own house.  This means that yes you are guilty too if you saw what was going on and did not act to stop it.

The golden rule still applies “For everything you do so shell it be done unto you”.

Those that participated in this atrocity will have the same visited upon them.

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By Eric Dynamic, September 4, 2008 at 4:28 pm Link to this comment
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I think it’s high time that crimes such as these by the Police and Secret Service be confronted and punished. Any officer found guilty of violating his/her oath as an officer shall be blacklisted from ever serving in law enforcement again. I certainly hope Democracy Now sues the living daylights out of everyone in the chain of that command.

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By DOUGLAS FIELD, September 4, 2008 at 3:48 pm Link to this comment
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SENATOR OBAMA,PLEASE LET AMERICA IN ON YOUR THOUGHTS CONCERNING THIS US JUDICIAL INJUSTICE ?


LETS ALL HOPE OUR MEDIA ALSO SHOW AN INTEREST IN REPORTING ON THIS AMERICAN HORROR FACING THESE TENS OF THOUSANDS FORGOTTEN AND TRAPPED POORER AMERICANS, AND HOW THIS POSSIBLE FUTURE PRESIDENTIAL CONTENDER HANDLES THIS VERY SERIOUS ISSUE FACING LATINO AND BLACK AMERICAN COMMUNITIES ?

*WITH 80% OF THE BLACK AMERICAN VOTERS SAYING THEY SUPPORT SENATOR OBAMA IN THIS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, IT IS ONLY FAIR FOR EVERYONE TO KNOW PRIOR BEING ELECTED OUR NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HOW THIS DEMOCRATIC SENATOR TRULY FEELS ABOUT THIS AMERICAN JUDICIAL HORROR CONTINUING TO INFLICT GRAVE HARM ON THE BLACK AMERICAN FAMILIES AND THEIR COMMUNITIES NATIONWIDE ?

* WHEN GOD’S FACE BECAME VERY RED *
THE US SUPREME COURT GAVE ENEMY COMBATANTS FEDERAL APPEAL HC RIGHTS LAWYERS AND PROPER ACCESS TO US FEDERAL COURTS,AND POORER AMERICANS (MANY EVEN ON DEATH ROW) ARE DENIED PROPER FEDERAL APPEAL LEGAL REPRESENTATION TO OUR US FEDERAL COURTS OF APPEAL, AND ROTTING IN AMERICAN PRISONS NATIONWIDE ?

* INNOCENT AMERICANS ARE DENIED REAL HC RIGHTS WITH THEIR FEDERAL APPEALS !
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE $LOWLY FINDING OUT HOW EA$Y IT I$ FOR MIDDLE CLA$$ AND WORKING POOR AMERICAN$ TO FALL VICTIM TO OUR U$ MONETARY JUDICIAL $Y$TEM.

*WHEN THE US INNOCENT WERE ABANDONED BY THE GUILTY *
The prison experts have reported that there are 100,000 innocent Americans currently being falsely imprisoned along with the 2,300,000 total US prison population nationwide.

Since our US Congress has never afforded poor prison inmates federal appeal legal counsel for their federal retrials,they have effectively closed the doors on these tens of thousands of innocent citizens ever being capable of possibly exonerating themselves to regain their freedom through being granted new retrials.

This same exact unjust situation was happening in our Southern States when poor and mostly uneducated Black Americans were being falsely imprisoned for endless decades without the needed educational skills to properly submit their own written federal trial appeals.

This devious and deceptive judicial process of making our poor and innocent prison inmates formulate and write their own federal appeal legal cases for possible retrials on their state criminal cases,is still in effect today even though everyone in our US judicial system knows that without proper legal representation, these tens of thousands of innocent prison inmates will be denied their rightful opportunities of ever being granted new trials from our federal appeal judges!

Sadly, the true US Federal Appeal situation that occurs when any of our uneducated American prison inmates are forced to attempt to submit their own written Federal Appeals from our prisons nationwide without the assistance of proper legal counsel, is that they all are in reality being denied their legitimate rights for Habeas Corpus and will win any future Supreme Court Case concerning this injustice!

For our judicial system and our US Congressional Leaders Of The Free World to continue to pretend that this is a real and fair opportunity for our American Middle Class and Working Poor Citizens, only delays the very needed future change of Federal Financing of all these Federal appeals becoming a normal formula of Our American judicial system.

It was not so very long ago that Public Defenders became a Reality in this country.Prior that legal reality taking place, their were also some who thought giving anyone charged with a crime a free lawyer was a waste of taxpayer$.

This FACADE and HORROR of our Federal Appeal proce$$ is not worthy of the Greatest Country In The World!

*GREAT SOCIETIES THAT DO NOT PROTECT EVEN THEIR INNOCENT, BECOME THE GUILTY!

A MUST READ ABOUT AMERICAN INJUSTICE:
1) YAHOO AND 2) GOOGLE
MANNY GONZALES THE KID THAT EVERYONE FORGOT IN THE CA PRISON SYSTEM.
A JUDICIAL RIDE OF ONES LIFE !

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By RightWing, September 4, 2008 at 3:38 pm Link to this comment

Oh my god ,she was such a victim, climbing the fence had nothing to do with it, or being told don’t cross that link, such a victim….... and so many right wing plants, you could see them everywhere behind those black bandannas and hoodies, oooh those evil right wing thugs , trouble makers and hooligans, making the self proclaimed left wing anarchist look like evildoers,

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By Anarcissie, September 4, 2008 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

cyrena: ’... Per my usual, I have serious problems with the non-original and slavish misuse of the ‘directions’ (Left, Right, Center) in utilized in political discourse, because these ‘directions’ no longer serve a useful purpose, if they ever did. ...’

I think I’ve defined my usage of left, etc., in a fairly clear manner which makes it meaningful and useful, but it you’d prefer to use a different terminology, tell me what it is and I’ll see if I can work with it.

’... EVERYTHING is about the BALANCE of POWER. And when a person or entity is OUTSIDE the location of the power, (or the center of it) they’ve got to get INSIDE of it, to do any readjusting. Otherwise, it’s just so much wasted and wistful on-looking. ...’

I think history argues against you, although it depends on the scope of readjusting.  If you wanted to alter Federal agricultural policy with regard to soybeans, yes, you might do better trying to work within the system of Federal agricultural policy, whatever that is.  But if you’re trying to introduce revolutionary notions, like ending war or slavery or segregation, history teaches us (or at least me) that the movements have to start outside, below, or in the cracks of the existing system.  A few examples: Christianity, Islam, capitalism, abolition of slavery, feminism, labor unions, Civil Rights.  All of these were regarded as criminal enterprises or outbreaks of mass insanity when they were starting up and had absolutely no purchase within the existing order of social power. 

Eventually, of course, people promoting revolutionary change may be able to make inroads into the existing power structure—and, correspondingly, the existing power structure makes inroads into the ideology and personnel of the revolutionary movement.  Hence the feminism of the 1960s and ‘70s, which radically challenged the political, economic and cultural order of its day, evolved into the feminism of the 1990s which worried about whether enough women were vice presidents in banks—without, I would say, having realized more than a part of its earlier program.  Similar fates can be observed of the other movements I’ve mentioned.

I’m particularly dubious about the movements against war and imperialism making much headway within existing systems of social power because the efforts of anti-war types of the ‘60s who went to “work within the system” seem to have come to nothing.  If there’s any movement within the existing system, it seems to be retrograde—G. W. Bush has been following the general plan of world domination laid out in the 1940s, but in a particularly brutal and nationalistic manner reminiscent of the 19th century.  I’m reminded mostly of Kaiser Wilhelm II.  Can you present any counterexamples?  The imagination of the ruling class looks pretty bleak to me.

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By KDelphi, September 4, 2008 at 3:21 pm Link to this comment

I dont “object” to it. I just dont think that ir is the system of a true liberal. And, then, we are to—what is your definition of liberal, which I dont really think is relevant here. I was trying to present a different point of view—something tha ti think the US could strongly use@

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By Crista, September 4, 2008 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment
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Dear Amy and everybody at Democracy Now!

I live in Costa Rica and I wanted to let you know that I am thankfull that there is such a news program as yours and I am sad to hear of the arrest.

Your program is not only heard or watched in the USA, but all over the world. Thank you for it.

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By Anarcissie, September 4, 2008 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment

kdelphi—As a socialist, then, why do you object to my characterizing capitalism as the economic system of liberalism?

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By mrogi, September 4, 2008 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

If Amy Goodman thinks she was victim of police brutality, to paraphrase the great Mike Tyson, “She is so white.” Compared to how most black suspects are handled when taken into police custody, Amy was treated with all the tenderness given to a new born baby.

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By OligarchyNot, September 4, 2008 at 2:44 pm Link to this comment
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Planting people in groups in order to have them start trouble that you can then blame on the group is basically a “false flag operation.”  It is something the republicans do all the time, and it is what I believe happened on 9/11.  Republicans and neo-cons are masters of it, and it works!  Just look at all the people responding in these comments who can somehow justify the actions of the St. Paul police.  Their acceptance of losing these Constitutional rights is exactly what those who orchestrated 9/11 hoped for and intended.

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By Rich, September 4, 2008 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment
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Welcome to the Fourth Reich.

Next step book buring.

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By Anarcissie, September 4 at 4:23 am

•  “The problem with this strategy is that the Left is basically opposed to power, authority, control and manipulation, whereas the neo- and other cons are not.  So leftists, if they are real leftists, are not going to be very good at soldiering for the authoritarian state.”

Anarcissie,

Tony has already responded to this, but I would carry my own response in a different vein, if I’m to address the language that you’ve utilized here. Per my usual, I have serious problems with the non-original and slavish misuse of the ‘directions’ (Left, Right, Center) in utilized in political discourse, because these ‘directions’ no longer serve a useful purpose, if they ever did. Right, Left, are DIRECTIONS. From where I am, if you wanna wind up at the beach/ocean, you turn right. If you wanna wind up in the mountains, you’ll turn left. BUT, that’s only if one is situated or progressing in a southerly direction. If I did a 180 degree turn and was proceeding in a northerly direction, I would need to do the exact opposite to wind up at the same locations. Right to the Mountains, and Left to the Ocean. That’s as much weight as directions carry. North/South/East/West are clearly ‘fixed’ locations, and for any group or individual to get to where they think they wanna be, any planned path is going to incorporate all of those directions. So I dumped the Right/Left/Center stuff long ago. Some stuff just doesn’t work anymore, because not everyone understands the properties of whatever the ‘directions’ are, in the same manner.


That said, it was not my suggestion that counter actions require authority, control, or manipulation, though if you think that Power is some existential ‘aside’ then you’re existing in a reality that I’ve not yet experienced. EVERYTHING is about the BALANCE of POWER. And when a person or entity is OUTSIDE the location of the power, (or the center of it) they’ve got to get INSIDE of it, to do any readjusting. Otherwise, it’s just so much wasted and wistful on-looking.

So, if somebody steals your shit, and you politely ask them to return it, and they don’t. (surprise, surprise) you better consider SOME kind of manipulations, if you want to get it back – INTACT. You can stand on the outside and just destroy it, in the vein of, “If I can’t have it back, then you won’t have it either”. OR, you can figure out a way to get in and get it back.

And this is HARDLY an example of ‘soldiering for the authoritarian state.” Rather, it’s the way to get your shit back.

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By KDelphi, September 4, 2008 at 1:10 pm Link to this comment

I guess I did not make it clear. I am a Socialist—and never prouder, when I look at the states that capitalism has drawn this country to. The kind of vapitslim we have in the uS (as opposed to Canada, nost of EU, etc. ) is shameful!

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