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Sarah Palin: Maverick or Just a Neophyte?

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Posted on Aug 29, 2008
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By John Cheney-Lippold

The McCain camp’s announcement Friday morning that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin will be the Republican vice presidential candidate is nothing more than a performance in the politics of cynicism, a cynicism that may prove to be somewhat of a strategic miracle for the Republicans as they try to follow the Democrats’ much-publicized rock concert, or national convention, in Denver this week.

While it may not be the best aesthetic choice to put an attractive, young political upstart next to the septuagenarian John McCain, the juxtaposition of the two in terms of identity, experience and policy may work well as a unified presidential ticket, though of course only on a purely superficial level. Palin may be strongly cast as a “Republican Hillary” who can draw Clinton-supporting Democrats and independents either to McCain or away from the polls, come November.

As much as Republican analysts/apologists would love to allay the critiques that Palin’s nomination is driven by her “maverick” political past (more on that later), her candidacy is transparent. The choice of a white, motherly, middle-aged woman is obviously a demographic ploy to further disunite the Democratic Party immediately after Thursday’s conclusion of its convention.

The timing of the announcement in the wake of Barack Obama’s choice of Joe Biden instead of Clinton as a running mate and the inclusion of a woman on the Republican ticket with its own history-making possibilities just scream reactionary cynicism. Not that an election campaign is much more than a performance in poll dancing, but the use of gender in McCain’s choice for vice president is still disturbingly shallow.

On the point of experience, the Alaska governor has only two years as an elected official in high office. This inchoateness can be compared to Obama’s limited time on the political stage, a condition that affords both candidates truncated résumés absent of serious political gaffes but filled with enough political activity to label each a good Republican or Democrat.

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Yet Palin’s inexperience is supplemented by McCain’s experience, in a move opposite, but much like, Obama’s choice of Biden. Of course that didn’t stop the Obama camp from coming out guns blazing in reacting to the choice of Palin. An Obama campaign spokesperson, striking yet another low blow against McCain’s age, noted that the Alaska governor’s “zero foreign policy experience [would be only] a heartbeat away from the presidency.”
 

Palin’s policy work and history as a “maverick”—however drained that word is in recent political discourse—are those of a line-toeing conservative who vehemently supports the war, loves guns, is anti-abortion and wants to kill polar bears. No, seriously. As governor she recently sued the federal government, claiming that the 1973 Endangered Species Act, which protects polar bears, is unjust because it prohibits Alaska from fully exploring oil and natural gas sites. She wants to be able to kill polar bears to drill for oil. How Republican is that?

Her support for big oil companies, destruction of polar bears aside, leads her to advocate strongly for drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, an idea that has for ages been disregarded as a reactionary and foolish Band-Aid on the larger problem of the country’s dependency on oil, foreign or domestic.

She further displays her Republican convictions through wanting to overturn Roe v. Wade; not believing in even the bastardized idea of gay civil unions; and being a proud, gun-toting/photo-oped member of the NRA. Although called a political outsider and reformer by analysts in Alaska, Palin has had an approval rating of over 80 percent during most of her two years as governor.

But her maverick status—the standards of which now have fallen to mean (1) you don’t come from a pre-existing political family and (2) you don’t allow people in your administration to do obviously illegal things—is now the focus of the mainstream media. Palin did blow the whistle on the Alaska state Republican chairman after a conflict-of-interest case went untouched, but clearly the word maverick has become empty when it can be so generously applied to someone thrown onto the national political stage after only a handful of years in her political party.

The choice of Palin, as much as it is a performance supplement to McCain’s diet of jowl-shaking diatribes against Obama’s celebrity and spryness, does offer a considerably unified platform from which to launch the Republican Party into its convention in St. Paul next week. The ways the Democrats will respond, both immediately and in terms of their long-term strategy to win in November, will be interesting to watch, as will the requisite deluge of comments about Palin’s attractiveness and femininity. Oh yeah, the governor-turned-vice-presidential-candidate was a runner-up in a Miss Alaska beauty pageant. Let the cable news commentary commence.

John Cheney-Lippold is a doctoral student at the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Southern California, where he studies the political economy of the Internet.


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By Gloria, September 3, 2008 at 8:16 pm Link to this comment
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Rudi did not look as good without his dress. Sarah is proud of her sister Heather’s new gas station. She skirted around it by saying service station. Why didn’t her sister start a solar panel factory which would have created quite a few jobs?

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By Hesperion, September 3, 2008 at 2:19 pm Link to this comment

Anyone still puzzled by McCain’s VP choice?? These might help clear it up for you:

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/352178

http://correntewire.com
/palin_has_been_vetted_but_mccain_wasnt_in_charge

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/2/report_secretive_right_wing_group_vetted

Desperate to hold on to power, the Republicans are more than willing to hand a large share of that power over to these Dominionists. They need them for the votes and the organizing (tax-exempt churches, mind you). Even Rove later admitted that they were useful but also troublesome. The Neocons assumed, wrongly, that they could use them to get elected and then later shove them aside. Coincidentally, this religionist movement (seeking a theocratic social and judicial system no different than the Shari‘a) had the very same notion. They are intending to use the Neocons and the so-called “conservatives” to get into power then begin to shove them aside and impose their inquisition-style government in the USA. In case any of you were confusing this Palin with a Hillary you do so at your own peril. Anyone excusing this VP choice on abstract grounds are also doing so with much hazard.

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By Big E, September 3, 2008 at 11:25 am Link to this comment

Rus

So,... if I understand your way thinking, only Republicans and Conservatives are allowed to speak plainly and openly about their fellow Americans in different political parties and views. Whatever they want to declare as ‘truth’ is immune from discussion or critique.

re: “I do equate this behavior with the worst sort of bigotry. I can’t imagine why the two of you don’t see it.”
Rus, your statement clearly indicates a substantial lack of knowledge and awareness. Calling someone a ‘neo-con’ or ‘repug’ is not the same as hanging a human being from a tree because of the color of their skin or oppressing someone in a perpetual state of slavery. The fact that you don’t seem to understand that essential fact speaks volumes about you.

Rus, you can repeat the same argument over and over and never really address the points of anyone else here, but, if you’ll pardon a moment of sarcasm, it’s VERY REPUBLICAN OF YOU and it reinforces the stereotype of Republicans and Conservatives as being dogmatic and closed minded.

There is a difference between making political points (everyone tries to do that) and denying history. Rus,  you are in a way the ‘poster child’ of the very things you complain about in this forum, and, yes, you are representing the last 40 years of Republicans. When you post in a largely Dem forum you need to justify your views and not just complain about how the others castigate Republicans or Conservatives. It would be the same if anyone here went over to say, ‘Red State’‘s blog and attempted to give the Dem view over there.

Most people here I imagine are of the view that Republicans/Conservatives have a lot to answer for regarding the last 8 years under Bush/Cheney.

If you Rus, believe everything has been great over the last 8 years, and Repubs and Conservs have done no wrong and committed no errors in policy or judgement, you should back it up instead of commenting how ‘everybody hates poor little you’.

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By Rockytonker, September 3, 2008 at 10:16 am Link to this comment

While McCain is criticized for flip-flopping on several issues, Palin has done even better.

She has very actively sought federal funds for Wasilla as its mayor, while a member of the Alaska Independence Party, which advocates secession from the United States.

Why switch positions when you can be on both sides at once?

Aside from foreign policy, how does the governor of a state that runs on huge oil extraction taxes and federal subsidies understand the budgeting struggles of the other 49 states?  Seniors (65+) comprise 12% of the US population, but only 5.7% of Alaska.  How can she relate to the needs of older folk like me?

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By cann4ing, September 3, 2008 at 8:49 am Link to this comment

Phillip Butler, who was awarded two silver stars, two bronze stars, two legions of merits and two purple hearts, and who served with and was imprisoned with John McCain: “I think I can say from experience that the prisoner of war experience is not a pre-requisite to become President of the United States. I was shot down April 20th, 1965….John McCain arrived in October 1967…John has allowed the media to make him out to be ‘the’ POW, the hero, and in fact there were over 600 just like him who performed just as well.”

“Most of my experience was from living across the hall from him.  He was well known by most of his own classmates and everybody who knew him as a very volatile guy.  He would blow up and go off like a Roman candle at any possible time.  He was very sensitive and touchy.  The world is such a dangerous place and he has shown himself to be bellicose with regard to making other wars in other places in Iraq or making threats with Iran.”

“John McCain is not somebody I would like to see with his finger anywhere near the red button.”

“John McCain’s temperament makes it clear that he’s not cut out to be President of the United States.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KjsEs46C70

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By Leefeller, September 3, 2008 at 7:44 am Link to this comment

Linda,

You seem to have a direct connection to Palin, so can you ask her for me, why the separation of church and state is not something she supports or believes in?

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By Anarcissie, September 2, 2008 at 9:21 pm Link to this comment

Rus7355:

‘Inherit The Wind,

“Oh, spare us your phony outrage! Here’s some of what Dems get called:”

DemocRATs…’

I like “demon rats” myself.  I used to get called that on Usenet.  In fact, I have a collection of 300-odd epithets from Usenet days—the better ones.  Most of them aren’t worth collecting.  One fellow called me a Nazi, a Communist, a socialist and a liberal all in one paragraph, though.  Although the epithets were pretty tired, I thought putting them together compactly showed a bit of talent.

I myself never insult anyone, as you may have noticed.  I have discovered that those who need to be insulted will insult themselves far beyond my poor power to add or detract.  Sometimes I help them a little, of course.

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By Linda, September 2, 2008 at 8:57 pm Link to this comment
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Cann, do you have a problem with accomplished women, who govern a state, are commander on chief of the Alaska Army Reserve, were formerly mayors of town, served on city councils and powerful commissions overseeing oil exploration and production…who can ALSO hunt, fish, play a mean game of basketball, cook, clean and parent five children?

Could it be you Democrat males are not used to such nontraditional, powerful women, who can do everything a man can do and more?

Hate to say this but Sarah Palin has more cajones than most men and especially more than Barack Obama.


Cann stated:  “By cann4ing, September 2 at 2:16 pm #


Linda—are you a political comedian?  That was truly rich.  Sarah Palin is qualified to be a heartbeat away from the presidency because she knows how to cook?

My wife’s a great cook.  Maybe we can make her the Ambassador to the U.N.”

 

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Canning, I believe I gave your her qualifications and wish you would have read my post.  She has more qualifications than Barack Obama and more qualifications than either Ronald Reagan or Arnold Schwartzenegger when they took office.

The argument about the time overseas could be applied to Barack Obama and, in fact, she has spent more time in Iraq, than he has.

I am certain she knows the cost of meat in the lower 48 states, because since everything is imported into Alaska, consumer goods are far higher there and they are suffering more than the lower 48 states.

And considering she does her own cooking (unlike the male counterparts) does her own grocery shopping (unlike the male counterparts)does her own housework and lives in an everyday home like the everyday citizen (not in a mansion financed by a felon, like Obama)I would say she is more in line with everyday folks…not the arrogant, social elite.

Yep, every bit as qualified as Ronald Reagan and Arnold Schwartzenneger was and moreso than Obama.

Sure wish Democrats weren’t so judgmental…..the name calling on here is so very adolescent and so very…..Democrat, these days.

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By cann4ing, September 2, 2008 at 8:09 pm Link to this comment

ITW—it’s the same duplicity we saw when the media jumped all over Edwards for an affair but rarely mentions how McCain cheated on his first wife with Cindy after the first wife, a former beauty queen, was horribly disfigured in an auto accident.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 2, 2008 at 6:20 pm Link to this comment

Rus7355, September 2 at 9:00 pm #

Inherit The Wind,

“Oh, spare us your phony outrage! Here’s some of what Dems get called:”

DemocRATs
algore
Hildebeast
Shrillary
Billary
Sore/Loserman
ObamalamaDingDong
ObamaMama
Klinton
B.Hussein Obama
Traitors
racists
Lurch
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AND IT’S WRONG, ISN’T IT? It’s the type of behavior that has no place in a thinking man’s discourse. Why are YOU doing it?
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That’s the language and weapons that YOUR side have been using for years. We didn’t coin “ObamaMama”, Fox Noise did.

As usual your side won’t play “nice” but whine when our side goes bare-knuckle to bare-knuckle with you.

Spoiled-brat mentality.  “We can do it but you can’t!”

It’s this same nonsense of saying “lay off Sarah Palin having a pregnant teen daughter” but gleefully LEAPING on any and every failing a Dem may have.

I cannot even IMAGINE the right-wing pit bulls laying off a Dem with an unmarried pregnant teen daughter.

Remember: Rush Limbaugh said the Clintons already had a family dog and then put up a picture of 13 year old Chelsea.

Don’t bitch to ME about Democratic street-fighting.  We are FINALLY fighting back!  It’s self-defense.

You want it to stop? Get Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly and Ann Coulter-geist and, mainly, Karl Rove to end it.  And then it will end.  Not before.  Nor should it.  Our very existence as a free nation DEMANDS that Barack Obama become our next President.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 2, 2008 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

Now TR is the “new” symbol of the GOP??? What’s that whirring sound??? That’s TR spinning in his grave as these anti-environment, anti-conservationist, anti-anti-trust, religion-in-government reactionaries pretend to walk in his shoes.

Teddy Roosevelt got “In God We Trust” REMOVED from ALL the money when he was President.  TR believed in both the separation of Church and State AND that putting God’s name on money was a SIN!

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By Inherit The Wind, September 2, 2008 at 5:45 pm Link to this comment

Mark Russell used to say to politicians:
“Keep it up! I need the material.”

Well, Mark, how’s this? Sarah Palin line-item vetoed moneys to support and house unwed pregnant teens!  And just this year!

And now her daughter is an unwed pregnant teen.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 2, 2008 at 5:37 pm Link to this comment

Rus7355, September 2 at 11:58 am #

cann4ing, September 2 at 1:04 pm #

“Rus,—I would respectfully request that you be a little less “disagreeable” in your choice of language.”

Cann4, I too respectfully request that you begin offering others here the same.

Are you truly so blinded by your own hatred of others who happen to be different, the so-called “Regugs” and “Neo-Cons”, that you do now see the treatment you daily dole out? Are you truly that blind?
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Oh, spare us your phony outrage! Here’s some of what Dems get called:

DemocRATs
algore
Hildebeast
Shrillary
Billary
Sore/Loserman
ObamalamaDingDong
ObamaMama
Klinton
B.Hussein Obama
Traitors
racists
Lurch

And that’s just a tiny tiny portion of the names you Re-thug-licans throw at Democrats.

If you can’t stand the heat, go back to RedState.com and FoxNoise.com.

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By cann4ing, September 2, 2008 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment

Linda—are you a political comedian?  That was truly rich.  Sarah Palin is qualified to be a heartbeat away from the presidency because she knows how to cook?

My wife’s a great cook.  Maybe we can make her the Ambassador to the U.N.

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By cann4ing, September 2, 2008 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment

Big E—excellent post, but I am afraid it will fall on death ears.  My interaction with this individual has taught me that he is immune to rationale discourse and impervious to both fact and reason.  I made a simple request that he refrain from the use of racial slurs, and the man tries to equate those slurs to referring to the Bush/Cheney regime as Repugs. 

There are a number of other characterizations of that regime far less charitable than Repugs—like fascist, Nazi-like etc.—references that can be validated by comparative observation and historical analysis.  Racial slurs, on the other hand, have no basis in a fact-based reality.  They are vicious.  The come from the gut, not the mind.

All I did was politely ask the man to refrain from the use of racial smears in his future posts, and what did we get—rationalization for their use.

From past efforts to interact with Rus, I am certain none of this will register.  He is as stubborn as he is stupid.  Since this is the response to a polite request and since I know further interaction to be useless, this will be my last post on the subject.

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By Big E, September 2, 2008 at 2:34 pm Link to this comment

to Rus:

re:
“Are you truly so blinded by your own hatred of others who happen to be different, the so-called “Regugs” and “Neo-Cons”, that you do now see the treatment you daily dole out? Are you truly that blind? “

“To many the “N’ word is repugnant. So too with the other degrading terms I wrote.  Some of you completely loose yourself in your hatred and fear of others who are different. It’s all detestable bigotry. “
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•->  Rus, with all due consideration to your views, are you really equating the
the racial and ethnic epithets and slurs you posted as somehow being on the same level as calling someone a ‘neo-con’ or ‘Repug’? If you do believe that the ‘N-word’ somehow holds equal status with ‘neo-con’, you my friend, have failed to grasp a considerable amount of African American history in America. Common usage and understanding of the word ‘bigotry’ would suggest otherwise.

Political blogs on both the ‘left’ and ‘right generate a sizable amount of ‘heat’ and ridicule during discussions and their is (myself included) a very generous portion of dark and sometimes, VERY DARK satire. The ‘trick’ is sometimes to deal with the satire and post your rebuttal without the racial and ethnic slurs.

I have seen hatred in many forms on ‘right-wing’ blogs. Most of the posts here and other places, despite the passionate embrace of the Dem ideals, and the many ways distaste for the Republican/Conservative views and people are expressed, never even come close to the rampant ‘us or them’ mentality of the ‘right’. That’s not to say that there is not as wide a spectrum on the Republican/Conservative side as there is on the ‘left’. One only needs to listen to some of the ‘leading’ proponents of the ‘right’ like Rush, Coulter, Savage, Malkin or the rampant distortions and lies of the FOX network to get a feel for the seething hatred I previously mentioned. Of course you can say that the folks I mentioned are just trying to ‘drum up biz’ for the respective employers, but, I don’t think even you Rus, can deny their tortured invective.

Let me try to put it on a personal level. It’s difficult for me to take someone who is a evangelical, or any other ‘blind faith’ religion seriously in a conversation, when I am told that I will end up as some kind of human BBQ (not quite sure of whether it’s K.C./Memphis/Carolina/Texas)  roasting in hell for all eternity unless I convert to their way of thinking and belief system. Not exactly the best way to begin a conversation, IMHO.

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By Linda, September 2, 2008 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment
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Canning, I believe I gave your her qualifications and wish you would have read my post.  She has more qualifications than Barack Obama and more qualifications than either Ronald Reagan or Arnold Schwartzenegger when they took office.

The argument about the time overseas could be applied to Barack Obama and, in fact, she has spent more time in Iraq, than he has.

I am certain she knows the cost of meat in the lower 48 states, because since everything is imported into Alaska, consumer goods are far higher there and they are suffering more than the lower 48 states.

And considering she does her own cooking (unlike the male counterparts) does her own grocery shopping (unlike the male counterparts)does her own housework and lives in an everyday home like the everyday citizen (not in a mansion financed by a felon, like Obama)I would say she is more in line with everyday folks…not the arrogant, social elite.

Yep, every bit as qualified as Ronald Reagan and Arnold Schwartzenneger was and moreso than Obama.

Sure wish Democrats weren’t so judgmental…..the name calling on here is so very adolescent and so very…..Democrat, these days.

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By cann4ing, September 2, 2008 at 1:51 pm Link to this comment

Rus:  Repug is a well-earned and accurate title that applies to the Bush/Cheney regime and their blinded followers—though Republi-crooks works just as well..  Your splatting the pages of TD with your N bombs, on the other hand, is unacceptable.

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By Leefeller, September 2, 2008 at 1:34 pm Link to this comment

Big E,

If your post is real, we may as well throw in the towel and bend over and spread them.  It does sound like religion and politics in a very real sense, so if Palin becomes wolf killer vice president, we will be like Iran, only we will be a blind with a better difference, Christian pure.

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By Reubenesque, September 2, 2008 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment

Has anybody asked her if she speaks in tongues?

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By Big E, September 2, 2008 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment

Rus:

I am very wary about any mixing of evangelical doctrine and the governing of the United States and equally concerned about Palin’s desire to see ‘creationist biblical teachings’ taught on an equal footing with science in public schools.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

“If Obama’s former pastor Jeremiah Wright is any indication, Palin may face some political fallout over the more controversial teachings of Wasilla Assembly of God.”

“Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord.”

“Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God,” she exhorted the congregants. “That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.”

But Pastor Kalnins (Assembly of God) has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war “contending for your faith;” and said that Jesus “operated from that position of war mode.”

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By cann4ing, September 2, 2008 at 10:04 am Link to this comment

Rus, the racist words contained in your last post are far too offensive to be uttered in polite company.  You are free to disagree with others on TD, in fact, outside of a select few, there are not many who do agree with you, but I would respectfully request that you be a little less “disagreeable” in your choice of language.

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By Big E, September 2, 2008 at 9:33 am Link to this comment

re: Rus7355, September 2 at 6:46 am

The only one here that demonstrates a high degree of being incompetent and intolerant is yourself, amply proven by your usage of ethnic and racial slurs.

There IS a difference between people having heated political discussions or arguments, or even about perceived character flaws… religious affiliation and how that might affect a persons governing decisions…...

However, your post reflects the perceptions that abound about how Republicans think.

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By cann4ing, September 2, 2008 at 8:39 am Link to this comment

The Palin family is a testament to the failure of the Christian fundamentalist policies of “abstinence only” sex education.  Bill Maher put it a bit more crudely.  “Republicans,” he said, “don’t know when to pull out.”

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By VietnamVet, September 2, 2008 at 7:44 am Link to this comment

RE: Linda,“She has traveled to Ireland, Germany, Kuwait and Iaq where she visited the troops and assessed the situation there.”

Stopovers don’t count in international travel! And, even less in diplomactic experience.

When she was “assessing the situation” in Iraq, against WHAT knowlege or experience base?

She has to have more experience that a “mean game of basketball” to interact with Mr. Putin!

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By Leefeller, September 2, 2008 at 7:19 am Link to this comment

Linda,

“She has traveled to Ireland, Germany, Kuwait and Iaq where she visited the troops and assessed the situation there.”

If assessing the situation when traveling qualifies for being president, I just made a trip to Crater Lake Oregon, so now I should run for governor of Oregon. Hell, why not take it up a notch.  Since I spent 13 months in Vietnam and assessed the situation, Maybe I should run for President and as vice president of the local PTA I may be over qualified.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 2, 2008 at 6:58 am Link to this comment

Big E, September 1 at 9:25 pm #

to Linda:

Despite your implication about the Dems somehow being ‘anti-women’, maybe you can help me out, and explain how Palin is more qualified to be V.P. than someone like Republican Olympia Snowe, female, from Maine….
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I understand that Snowe is too “liberal”, but even that incompetent from North Carolina, Elizabeth Dole is FAR more qualified than Palin, having served in Presidential cabinet posts—and even has the “Conservative” chops that Palin has and Snow (or Collins or Whitman) lack.  She also represents a large Southern State that is by no means certain for McCain.

I grew up in Westchester County in NY, and lived for years in Fairfax County in Virginia.  Both are about 30% larger (by population ) than the great state of Alaska.

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By purplewolf, September 1, 2008 at 11:11 pm Link to this comment

Her nickname when she played basketball was Barracuda. Doesn’t that just speak volumes? And she hunts caribou and moose, so she probably does not know what it cost the poor in the lower 48 to buy the meat. Hunting seasons vary for each state and even though the Indians in Michigan are supposed to have fishing rights, it is still difficult to do so without threats from non-Indians and over zealous government goon squads. Hunting isn’t much better here for us either. I don’t see her helping those attain a better life in this century.

And for the family values mantra the repukelican party loves to boast about. Sarah should have spent more time being an “at home mom”, and maybe she would not be a soon-to-be grandmother for her teenage daughter, maybe soon to be wed? Sarah, do not try to force your radical ridiculous religious lifestyles unto others, it obviously didn’t work out to well for you now did it? Now go home and play at being a mommy.

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By Big E, September 1, 2008 at 10:25 pm Link to this comment

to Linda:

Despite your implication about the Dems somehow being ‘anti-women’, maybe you can help me out,  and explain how Palin is more qualified to be V.P. than someone like Republican Olympia Snowe, female,  from Maine….

I guess you might agree with some, including Mrs. McCain, that Palin’s extensive foreign relations experience includes the fact that Alaska is ‘next to Russia’.

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By cann4ing, September 1, 2008 at 9:52 pm Link to this comment

I’m sorry Linda.  Perhaps I am missing something.  So Sarah was a member of a city council of an Alaskan hamlet, has traveled abroad.  And just how does that make her qualified to be VP? Commander in Chief of the Alaskan National Guard?  That’s essentially an honorary title conferred upon any governor.  The only “command authority” she would have would be to call up the guard for an emergency, you know, like when a polar bear breaks into the garbage cans.

There is not one single fact you have posted that reflects that this woman is even remotely qualified to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency.  Hunting?  That’s what Cheney was doing when he shot a guy in the face.

Now let’s look at just a few of her negatives.  She is a right wing Christian ideologue who is anti-science, anti-environment and even goes so far as to deny the science of global warming.  Hers, and more importantly, McCain’s opposition to the development of alternative energy sources portends to an unmitigated ecological disaster.  Their joint drill here, drill now philosophy is a total sham.  The U.S. consumes 25% of the world’s oil.  Its entire reserve, including ANWR & off-shore totals only 3%.  Their policies require continued dependence on foreign oil.  As revealed by T. Boone Pickens, himself a former oil man, that translates into a transfer of $500 billion/year to nations like Saudi Arabia—money we don’t have so we borrow it from China.

Even if their policies did not lead us to a total economic collapse—quite likely they will—continuing conflicts over the availability of oil in the Middle East and Caspian Sea greatly increase the likelihood of further resource wars, like the one in Iraq.  Indeed, McCain’s first answer to every foreign policy question is war rather than negotiation. 

And, of course, none of this touches upon the Republican “greed is good” philosophy in which America’s wealthy elites have breached the social contract by outsourcing our manufacturing base in search of the $2/day laborer in China while the remnants of American labor has been reduced to poverty wages as homes are foreclosed and banks close.

And you say I should vote for Sarah because she plays a mean game of basketball?  You’re a comedian, right?

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By Double U, September 1, 2008 at 8:05 pm Link to this comment

Yeah, but how many republican’ts will see or admit that the joke’s on them?  (Us all if they succeed in rigging the election again).

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By Linda, September 1, 2008 at 5:02 pm Link to this comment
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I believe you forgot to mention besides Governor Palin being an elected governor for two years, was the Commander in Chief for the Alaska National Guard, chaired the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, has a son who is scheduled to deployed to Iraq in September, was an elected city council member for four years and served six years as a Mayor.  She plays a mean game of basketball, hunts and fishes and owned her own commercial fishing operation.

She has traveled to Ireland, Germany, Kuwait and Iaq where she visited the troops and assessed the situation there.

Sarah Palin has determination.  She was giving a speech in Texas when her fluids broke and went into labor.  She continued giving the speech, then flew home to have her child.  She returned to work three days later.

She has an eighty percent public confidence rating in her home state of Alaska.

What were the qualifications of Ronald Reagan, besides acting, when he ran for President?  How about Arnold Schwarzenegger before he became governor of California, the sixth largest economy of the world?

Are Democrats holding women to a different standard when it appears Palin has more experience than Barack Obama and even Ronald Reagan?

We saw what Democrats did to Hillary Clinton…is this a new trend in the Democrat party?

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By Allan Krueger, September 1, 2008 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment

Maverick? Hypocrite, blow hard and egotist! AND McWORSE chose her as his replacement in case he croaks while in office! Oh, please, I can’t stand it - ROFLMAO!

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By cann4ing, September 1, 2008 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment

Ed you are quite right, but I wouldn’t put too much into the order of placement.  The two separate rights are inextricably linked.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 1, 2008 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment

At least now we know that the rumors of Sarah Palin “fronting” for her daughter about baby Trig are false.
See, baby Trig is 4 months old—and “moral leader” Palin’s 17 year old daughter is 5 months pregnant!

That’s what “abstinence only” brings—unwed teen-age pregnancy.  She’s gonna marry the kid who knocked her up.  I’m sure it will be a formal wedding.  Up there, in Alaska, I think that means it will be a “White Shotgun” wedding!

Oh, and Rus1234? I don’t have bony fingers.  They are thick and rather muscular from my days building houses.  I can still take hot pots from the warming drawer without a pot-holder and not get burned.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 1, 2008 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment

That, Winded One, is hilarious. LMAO

You, who drink in and then spout every Neo-Con myth known to man, attempt to point a bony bigoted finger at others for believing in only the negative about some you happen to like? You, who believes ANYONE on the right of you needs to be held accountable for your perceived injustices of the past forty (40) years? You, who demonizes all who don’t believe as you do?

Hilarious as hell, my friend. Do you have a mirror in your abode? wink

The unrepentant bigotry in these post just keeps on a growin. I have such pity for you.
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Your absurdity gets more and more surreal.

You presume I have bony fingers?  Why? Is your image of Democrats all these skinny, skeletal types who live on lettuce and purified water?  What kind of a maniac are you? Did God tell you I have bony fingers???

Then there’s “perceived injustices of the past 40 years”...But do you REFUTE a single one of them? THAT is what debating is, point/counter-point.  With you, when someone makes a point you respond with an insult.  Another point, another insult, but NEVER a counter-point.

Why on earth would I need or want the pity of a bigot who can only hurl insults to those who disagree with him because he can’t find any facts to back him up, or refute evidence that makes hamburger of his arguments and positions?

Save your pity for the poor folks in the path of Gustav—they need it. I don’t.

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By Double U, September 1, 2008 at 2:40 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller, Plato’s Cave is one of my favorite cautionary tales and I haven’t considered it in ages.  I appreciate the reminder in these days of cave-dwelling.  Merci.

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By Leefeller, September 1, 2008 at 2:20 pm Link to this comment

Double U,

Your comment “Until, that is, we want to take a stroll in the real world’ reminds me of PLATO’S CAVE, which one can perceive as an analogy in several lights,  religion, politics or other social structures. I prefer and like using it as a reference for religion.

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By Double U, September 1, 2008 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment

Critical analysis is a survival strategy.  It is not needed if we’re indoctrinated from youth in the tales of our grandfathers, taken in with our milk and our orders not to question why.  Until, that is, we want to take a stroll in the real world, and Unless we can enforce our own peculiar grandfather’s tales on others.  Another problem with religion is that it’s always MY grandfather who has the inside-poop.  What a tangled web that is.
Now, to address my fellow progressive thinkers, since the republican’ts seem able to overlook Palin’s gender, I suggest we do too.  Laura Bushy tush warned democrats today to be careful of sexism against Palin.  I’m no sexist, but I am frightfully prejudiced against playing dumb for the sake of a greasy buck and for the privilege of snuggling up with a war criminal.

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By charles, September 1, 2008 at 11:41 am Link to this comment
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hey, listen to Sarah Palin in her own words in this NewsWeek Video that was done back in March 2008! Its very telling!
http://www.newsweek.com/id/156190

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By Leefeller, September 1, 2008 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

We should be teaching the reality of reading tea leaves and as one of great past presidents made decisions from astrological signs.  Of course in our schools why not instill one of my personal religious choices, which would be full body massage.

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By rowman, September 1, 2008 at 10:47 am Link to this comment

That is a rather interesting imperialistic view and seems to contradict many of your other positions. Selective application I suppose.

This country allows one to believe what they want to believe. Just as you have that right so do they. All theories have their own issues such as the missing link in evolution. If you believe in this, you have faith that it is correct in the absence of proof. The creationists have faith in their own belief and no one has a right force teach them anything to the contrary.  But yet, you want to support a government that seeks to suppress its people and force one view point on them…


“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”


The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment prohibits the establishment of a national religion by the Congress or the preference of one religion over another, or religion over non-religion. Originally, the First Amendment only applied to the federal government. Subsequently, under the incorporation doctrine, certain selected provisions were applied to states. It was not, however, until the middle and later years of the twentieth century that the Supreme Court began to interpret the Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses in such a manner as to restrict the promotion of religion by state governments. For example, in the Board of Education of Kiryas Joel Village School District v. Grumet, 512 U.S. 687 (1994), Justice David Souter, writing for the majority, concluded that “government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion to irreligion”.

The Free Exercise Clause is the accompanying clause with the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. The Warren Court adopted the “compelling interest” doctrine regarding the clause, holding that a state must show a compelling interest in restricting religion-related activities. Later court decisions retreated from this standard, permitting governmental actions that were neutral to interfere with religion. The Congress attempted to restore this standard by passing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. In City of Boerne v. Flores, 521 U.S. 507 (1997), the Supreme Court held that such an attempt was unconstitutional regarding state and local government actions (though permissible regarding federal actions).

Does the government education system no intrude on the “free exercise thereof” when the teach one belief that contradicts another?

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By Folktruther, September 1, 2008 at 9:31 am Link to this comment

No, cann4ing, all science is NOT subject to testing and verification.  That’s a scientific myth.  The concetual language of the natural sciences were largely inherited from previous geneations and indoctrinated in the young, as Thomas Kuhn stated in THE STRUCTURE OF SCIENTIFIC REVOLUTIONS much like theology.  What scientists disconver is the implications of the conceptual structures invented by their historical predecessors.

That said, creationism shouldn’t be indoctrinated in our schools because it is childishly irrational, imposed as religion is, by the powerful to help legitimate oppressive power.  Power structures have hijacked religious ideologies to impose the idea of obeying Divine and earthly power.

The American power system is so oppressive, corrupt and undemocratic that it has created a large fraction of religious loonies in the population manipulated by the rich to maintain a power system that increases their capital.

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By Double U, September 1, 2008 at 9:24 am Link to this comment

Pus7355,
Do you know what a theory is?  It is a set of ideas that either hold up to rigorous and repeated scrutiny or it is dismissed.  Now, compare a theory with a fantasy or an ideology.  These latter two are NOT held up to scrutiny for two fundamental reasons: One, they would have been laughed off the face of the earth before they could be drilled into ignorant skulls, then shoved down through generation after generation of pushead jrs, pushead IIs, pushead IIIs, etc., and, Two, because fantasy and myth-makers make sure we are diverted from the utter jaw-dropping ridiculousness of it all by filling gullible pusheads with myriad fears of truth and wonder.

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By Ed Harges, September 1, 2008 at 9:20 am Link to this comment

re: By cann4ing, September 1 at 7:27 am:

Cann4ing writes”

“The First Amendment has two clauses pertaining to religion.  The first guarantees your freedom to believe or not believe.  This is what is known as freedom “of” religion.  The second, the Establishment Clause, mandates separation of church and state—freedom “from” religion.”

Small correction: the establishment clause comes first; the free exercise clause follows in second place. A subtlety — but a telling one, I think.

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By cann4ing, September 1, 2008 at 8:27 am Link to this comment

The level of your ignorance, Rus, is appalling.  The First Amendment has two clauses pertaining to religion.  The first guarantees your freedom to believe or not believe.  This is what is known as freedom “of” religion.  The second, the Establishment Clause, mandates separation of church and state—freedom “from” religion.

The reason evolution is taught in our public schools is because evolution is science.  All science is subject to the scientific method of testing, verification etc.  When a scientific theory (evolution, global warming) proves to be inaccurate through application of the scientific method, it is modified or rejected on the basis of science. 

Creationism whether or not packaged under the pseudo-scientific phrase, “intelligent design,” is not something that can be subjected to the scientific method.  It is founded on one’s religious belief.  If you or Sarah Palin want to believe that God created the world and all its creatures, including both dinosaurs and man, in the span of seven days, you have every right to maintain that belief.  You also have a right to believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy.  But the Establishment Clause prevents you from imposing your religious beliefs on public school children—on my children.

That is why evolution (science) is taught in our public schools and creationism (religion) is not taught in our public schools.

As President Washington observed, “The United States was not founded upon the Christian religion.”  When the framers adopted the Constitution, they created a secular state in which all are free to believe or not believe in a religion.  If we permitted the teaching of creationism in our public schools, we would no longer be a secular state.  We would become a theocracy, like the government of Iran—which is precisely what the framers of the Constitution sought to avoid.

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By Folktruther, September 1, 2008 at 8:11 am Link to this comment

Yes, Dr Know, I’s acquanted with Joseph Campbell.  He was a Nazi sympathizer who specialized in myths.  He used to flunk students who participated in the 60’s movements.  He emphasized male myths until a woman archiologist, of Lithuania origin as I remember, change the focus of myth study.

Campbell was very influential among the right wing, non-political and politically naive.

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By rowman, September 1, 2008 at 7:37 am Link to this comment

Re: cann4ing, August 31 at 5:29 pm #

None of my candidates are running so I’m sitting this one out and taking sport with your (td) hypocrisy.

For instance, the establishment clause… This clause protects citizens from a state mandated religion. It does not take away the citizens right to belief, it protects. 

The government school system teaches a science curriculum that contradicts the Christian belief system of creationism. That is not protecting the citizen; it is in fact forcing a belief.

Many of the creationist I hear are only asking the government to not force their beliefs on them. There are other theories that could be taught such as, the hydroplate theory. It is supported scientifically and aligns with the biblical events. Why cant they offer this as an option? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X16SE-N-8ys

So why do you want to take a clause that was meant to protect and use it against a citizen? They pay for the government schools as well and in many cases are forced to attend their institutions.

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By cann4ing, September 1, 2008 at 7:07 am Link to this comment

Double U, you are correct.  It’s Maher.  Mea culpa!

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By Beltor, September 1, 2008 at 7:03 am Link to this comment
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RE Inherit The Wind,

The old testament talks about the restoration of man. This restoration involves the Messiah. The old testament talks a lot about the Messiah in very specific terms so that people would not be deceived by imposters.  The new testament talks of the life of Messiah and the new covenant.  You can’t have one without the other. They are one testament.

But clearly, you have no idea what you are talking about and as I told the other guy, you are utterly ignorant of the bible and its contents. You have probably never read it and are trying to surmise without fact or knowledge.

Roman Catholicism is not the “Christianity” talked of in the bible. Totally different and many considers RC to be a cult along with Mormons. They have their own versions of the bible that includes text that cannot be supported by the “old testament”.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, September 1, 2008 at 6:40 am Link to this comment

Folktruther, are you familiar with the work of Joseph Campbell?

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By Double U, September 1, 2008 at 3:25 am Link to this comment

Who’s Bill Mayer?  Do you mean Maher?

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By cann4ing, August 31, 2008 at 9:14 pm Link to this comment

Bill Mayer’s piece on the Palin selection is hilarious.  Here are a few segments:

“Are you kidding me?  The mayor of Wasilla, Alaska is qualified to be Vice President?  When she got a phone call at three in the morning it was because a moose got into the garbage can.”

Mayer quoted Palin as asking, “What does a Vice President do?”

“Let me field that one for you Sarah.  They start wars, they subvert the constitution and they shoot people in the face.”

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Re: jackpine savage, August 31 at 11:38 am #
“The Bible is full of myths, mostly recycled from human traditions preceding its formation (particularly in the case of the Greek New Testament as solidified by the council of Nicea).  That those myths are taken as literal truth by many people is not the fault of the myths.”

Ha! You’re talking out of school.

The new testament is an extension of the “old”. There are far too many specifics supported by historical and archeological evidence to label it a “myth”. People of your caliber do so because they are utterly ignorant of the bible and its content.
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Oh No!  ANOTHER “sky pilot”!!!

The “New” Testament is a political compilation by one group of Christians to crush all the others, by picking and chosing which “Gospels” to include—and which to exclude.  This was used to destroy the Arian Church.  Later, it was used to justify, around 1200, the sack of Orthodox Christian Constantinople by Roman Catholic Christians.

All the “so-called” confirmations are simply that the guys writing the NT made DAMN sure they matched the prophesies of the Bible, the “Old Testament”.

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By Watchdog, August 31, 2008 at 7:43 pm Link to this comment
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And to think that she could be only ‘one heartbeat’  away from being the President. Here’s the statistics
on mortality.

Think about it, anyone with a brain regardless of their political convictions would not vote for this ticket knowing that she could be running this country with her qualifications. Hell she could not get in the door at Harvard !

A BS degree in Journalism !

You could go to your local community college and pick someone with better academic credentials.

Think about about this…. 

1 out of 3 VP end up being President per the Acclaimed historian Doris Kearns Goodwin on Meet the Press today…..that’s a God Dam scary thought).

And look at these statistics on mortality.

You have to have the IQ of her retarded child to vote for this Republican Ticket !

Pull you head out of your ass America !

You Christian Conservitaive Nuts better hit your knees and pray for America if you morons elect these two coconuts.
 
Life Expectancy Details
Life expectancy continues to be greater for women than for men and for whites compared with African-Americans—but life expectancy edged up enough to reach a record high for African-Americans.

Here are the life expectancies for girls and boys born in 2005:

White girl: 80.8 years (unchanged from 2004)
White boy: 75.7 years (unchanged from 2004)
African-American girl: 76.5 years (up from 76.3 years in 2004)
African-American boy: 69.6 years (up from 69.5 years in 2004)
However, 26 countries have higher life expectancies for both men and women, according to the World Health Organization.

Japan has the world’s greatest life expectancy for women (86 years) and the European republic of San Marino has the world’s greatest life expectancy for men (80 years), according to the World Health Organization.

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By w, August 31, 2008 at 7:28 pm Link to this comment
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I wonder if Johnny will get away with talking to Sarah like talks to his wife ?


John McCain made extremely ugly remarks about his wife Cindy McCain during a tirade witnessed by three reporters and two aides. “At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain’s hair and said, ‘You’re getting a little thin up there,’” Schechter writes. “McCain’s face reddened, and he responded, ‘At least I don’t plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt.’


McCain’s excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days.”

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By Folktruther, August 31, 2008 at 7:17 pm Link to this comment

I’m not a communist, Jackpine, although I once was.  However marxism is essential from a class perspective to developing the ideology needed for the next historical period.

Unfortunately, Marx was a highly Educated man.  Darwin had just published Origin of Species and Marx assumed that Western science would continue to enligthen the world.  He was writing in that tradition.  It turns out that the myths of science are not useful for developing the math concpetual structures needed to generalized and simplify the implications of marxist thought.

But enough chitchat.  Tell me, Jackpine, why do you think that religions necessarily must include myths.  The modern religions of the 20th century tend to be godless, like Scientology and Paganism.  Why could they not also despense with myths?

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By cann4ing, August 31, 2008 at 6:29 pm Link to this comment

Sorry rowman, but, as they say in the South, that dog won’t hunt.

Sarah Palin has only a BS in journalism—albeit with a minor in political science which was insufficient to teach her what it is that a VP does.  And you want to compare this to a guy who became the first African American student editor of the Harvard Law Review who went on to graduate Magna Cum Laude.  He has practiced law, served as a community organizer and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School.

From what little we know of Ms. Palin, it is doubtful that she has ever read the constitution. She certainly doesn’t understand it.  Like you, rowman, she is a bible thumping right wing hack who doesn’t even understand that the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment bars subjecting public school students with her creationist religious doctrine.  She is so clueless on the environment, and so in bed with the oil cartel, that she is amongst the most ignorant of our citizens—actually continuing to deny the human role in global warming in the face of an all but universal scientific consensus—with the only ones still disputing this being hacks on the Exxon-Mobil payroll.

Of course, if we want to consider intelligence, then your hero, McCain, becomes an interesting study.  The guy’s many faux pas and incoherent mumbings in unscripted situations suggest he is already displaying signs of early senile dementia.  Yet, even in his prime, this privileged son and grandson performed miserably at Annapolis, finishing 894th in a class of 899.

Obama has essentially the same experience as President Lincoln did when he ran for President.  Both men served 8 years in the Illinois state legislature.  Lincoln served two years in the House of Representatives.  Obama was sworn in as a U.S. Senator in January 2005—3 years and 9 months.  Both Lincoln and Obama criticized a former President for unnecessarily taking the nation to war.  And, judging from the brilliance of Obama’s erudition which led even the ultra-conservative Pat Buchanan to say it was the best acceptance speech he had heard in his life time, it is likely that history will look back on Obama as being one of the intellectual giants to ever occupy the POTUS.

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By rowman, August 31, 2008 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment

Here is a comparison between Palin and Obama. Sad day when the vp is being compared to the wanna be president… And the vp has more experience!

No wonder Obama told everyone to back off the “experience” attacks. lmao

http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/aug/30/tale-of-the-tape-sarah-palin-vs-barack-obam/

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By jackpine savage, August 31, 2008 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

Beltor,

I never said the whole thing (either new or old) is a myth.  I said that it is full of “myths”.  And if you read what i wrote previously (in my first response to Folktruther) then you’ll know that i hold myths in very high regard.

None-the-less, most of the “myths” of the Old Testament are not original.  Noah came long after Gilgamesh, and nearly every culture tells of a great flood.  There may well have been such a flood, but that doesn’t mean that a guy named Noah built an Ark, gathered all the animals and waited out 40 days and 40 nights of rain. (Sometime after 4000 B.C.) And never mind all that was left out of the Bible by the bishops at Nicea…the most interesting stuff, actually.

Myths aren’t meant to be taken literally; their meaning and importance is far deeper than that.  Just because i’m not a Christian does not mean that i’m incapable of appreciating the power (and heritage) of its stories…true or not.

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By chevyval, August 31, 2008 at 3:53 pm Link to this comment
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She is first and foremost a woman who has accepted another job while she has a 4 month old special needs child. Abandonment. Selfishness.  I don’t need to know anything more about her. It’s wrong. No One replaces a mother. No one.

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By rowman, August 31, 2008 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment

Reality must sting. I was surprised to learn that he voted against the bill too. After I read it, I was shocked that he would take the position that he misread the bill. The language is very clear and no one else in congress “misread” it. Every single one of them voted YES.

How do you mess that up? Wonder what kind of damage he will do as President when he can’t even read a simple bill. These are babies and he is ready to let them die over a political squabble.

Read it yourself
Born Alive Infant Protection Act U.S. Code Public Law 107-207

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By Verla Mae, August 31, 2008 at 2:01 pm Link to this comment
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During that first VEEP debate, when Joe Biden politely tears Palin several brand new ones with his eloquently delivered stupendous response to the very first question Stephanopolis asks both candidates, McCain is going to be caught live off stage somewhere in one of those infamous gotcha-moments, screaming “Palin, you dumb bitch, you’re killing me, you stupid, ignorant CUNNNNNT!!!!” at the top of his lungs. In that frightening fit of apoplexy, Grampers will be horrifically unmasked before all the world for the psychotic Tourette’s sufferer he truly is.—rage

LMAO! Funny and bound to happen!

It’s not gonna be pretty. But, it will be great for Obama and Biden in November.

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By Leefeller, August 31, 2008 at 1:53 pm Link to this comment

rowman,

Only knows his truth. Seems we have been here before.

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By mackTN, August 31, 2008 at 1:35 pm Link to this comment

Politico is right. McCain et al are so desperate that they have cancelled their convention, pretending that it’s out of concern for the poor people they left for dead during Katrina. 

What’s really going on is a run from scrutiny, as most educated people guffaw over McCain’s ridiculous pick for vice president.

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By rowman, August 31, 2008 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment

The truth must be hard for you.

Here is a link to CNN segment on the same thing.

Don’t know your candidate to well eh. Thats funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ACR0cjdiI

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By Beltor, August 31, 2008 at 1:10 pm Link to this comment
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Re: jackpine savage, August 31 at 11:38 am #
“The Bible is full of myths, mostly recycled from human traditions preceding its formation (particularly in the case of the Greek New Testament as solidified by the council of Nicea).  That those myths are taken as literal truth by many people is not the fault of the myths.”

Ha! You’re talking out of school.

The new testament is an extension of the “old”. There are far too many specifics supported by historical and archeological evidence to label it a “myth”. People of your caliber do so because they are utterly ignorant of the bible and its content.

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By Inherit The Wind, August 31, 2008 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

rowman, August 31 at 11:00 am #

RE: By Inherit The Wind, August 30 at 2:02 pm #
“Show me ONE instance where Obama has advocated murdering babies.  Not aborting embryos or fetuses but murdering infants—which is the definition of infantacide. “

Here is a link to Barack Obama in his own words.

He is arguing for the death of babies that survive an abortion in 2002.

In this audio Obama coldly claims two doctors helping a baby born alive after a botched abortion would be a burden when he was arguing against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act at the Illinois state legislature April 2002.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypDwNpgIUQc
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Some anonymous anti-abortionist posts something on YouTube that’s clearly been cut and pasted and I’m supposed to believe YOUR saying it’s what it is.

I didn’t hear Obama say ONE WORD about this being the result of an abortion, so I’m calling BULLSHIT on this.  I have NO idea what he was talking about, what the context was and neither do YOU! It’s an anonymous YouTube!

You know damn well Barack Obama, a devoted loving father, isn’t in favor of killing babies.  It’s just another SwiftBoat lie that right-wing-nuts latch onto because they’ll believe ANYTHING negative about Obama, no matter how laughably implausible and impossible it is.

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By jackpine savage, August 31, 2008 at 12:38 pm Link to this comment

Folktruther,

First and foremost, myth and religion are not the same thing.  While often conjoined, they serve two distinct purposes. (though it should be noted that while myth can easily survive without “religion”, the reverse is not true).

In its broadest, scholarly definition, religion is “a system of beliefs that informs behavior”.  What one finds when one looks deeply enough, however, is that behavior first informs religion, which simply solidifies said behavior.  One cannot hope to understand the religion of a people without understanding the lifeways of those people…as it is the lifeways that give rise to the religion.

Myth does not inform behavior.  It elucidates the human experience by taking a perspective somewhat removed from what we might call “the daily grind.”  The lessons encased in myth may be applied to daily life, or not, depending on the receiver.

The Bible is full of myths, mostly recycled from human traditions preceding its formation (particularly in the case of the Greek New Testament as solidified by the council of Nicea).  That those myths are taken as literal truth by many people is not the fault of the myths.

Marx was correct in his analysis of religion, but only in so far as it relates to how religion confers earthly power on a select group.  Temporal power held by a Church is not the same as spirituality.  This is mostly clearly seen by the bickering that characterizes inter-faith meetings of priests, bishops, et. al….as opposed to the inter-faith meetings of monks/nuns.  The former are salespeople; the latter are practitioners who understand - implicitly - Gandhi’s “spokes on a wheel” maxim.

What we moderns have is a dearth of real mythology and a surplus of religiosity.  And the atheist is as much a part of our religiosity as the fundamentalist.

For the record, i’m neither liberal nor progressive.  And i am a-religious, having never been baptized or gone to church.  But a communist should be careful about calling others loony.  Your religion is no better than that of others.

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By rowman, August 31, 2008 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment

RE: By Inherit The Wind, August 30 at 2:02 pm #
“Show me ONE instance where Obama has advocated murdering babies.  Not aborting embryos or fetuses but murdering infants—which is the definition of infantacide. “

Here is a link to Barack Obama in his own words.

He is arguing for the death of babies that survive an abortion in 2002.

In this audio Obama coldly claims two doctors helping a baby born alive after a botched abortion would be a burden when he was arguing against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act at the Illinois state legislature April 2002.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypDwNpgIUQc

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By TheRealFish, August 31, 2008 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

RightWing:

I’m glad you are so proud of the GOP past (interesting that wingers like you have abandoned labeling yourselves “Republican” since that has taken on such a national-level negative). Of course, the fact is, the GOP past you refer to is certainly now exactly that: The past.

I remember the time when Sen. Barry Goldwater was considered by many as being “radical-Right.” Were he alive now and running once more for president, he would come off as somewhere slightly to the LEFT of Bill Clinton, so far into the neo-fascist right has your party (and this country) been sliding since the “Reagan Revolution.” Revolution is the correct term, since the basis of that neo-con movement has been to change the country that you folks never much liked: The one that was founded by a core group of liberals on very, very liberal principals that is our Constitution.

The very biggest lie told to this country by the current neo-fascist leader, Bush-lite, was the first time he stood on the steps of the capital building and swore before his (your) god, “I swear…I will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

And then, for eight years, he set about tearing down, piece by piece, almost every article of that Constitution.

Now that’s a [near] history of which you can be particularly proud, correct? And that McCain has pledged fealty to that mission is one I’m sure you can defend most strongly, Right?

Of course, [traditional, non-neo-fascist] Republican John Dean might just disagree.

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By Folktruther, August 31, 2008 at 10:39 am Link to this comment

Thank you for a clear presentation of some of your beliefs, Jackpine.  Although containing similar anti-people values as the right wing loonies, you are clearly something different, a pseudo-progressive loony.

It is quite true that the religions and myths of the world tend to have similar features, but historical reason is that they have been corrupted by power strutures to legitimate their power. The anti-people values that underly them, including yours, have been imposed on populations by the Educated classes to help them rule.

Spiritual ideologies in one form or another, howevr,  are necessary to emotionally enforce morality that allows people do live together in society.  It must now be extended from relations among individuals to RELATIONS AMONG GROUPINGS OF PEOPLE.

Also people like to commemorate the crucial events of our lives; birth, coming of age, marraige and death. A religious ideology of some kind traditioally has served this function.  Unfortuntely this ideology has been perverted to legitimate Divine and earthly power.  Very often with bloody violence.

But you do raise an interesting point, Jackpine, that I have never considered.  Are myths useful or necessary for religious ideologies.  To hold them we don’t have to believe that they are literally true, just as we suspend belief in movies and novels.  But they may give an esthetic texture to the naked truth necessary to evoke the spiritual emotions.  They don’t NECESSARILY have to be used to delude the population, although that has been their historical function.

You may be on to something, Jackpine,  if you can justify their acceptance rationally from an earthperson perspective.

But you do

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By jackpine savage, August 31, 2008 at 10:00 am Link to this comment

Folktruther,

Perhaps the difference between you and i is that you believe myths to be just myths; whereas i have come to think that they exhibit such similarities across time and space that there must be at least a kernel of truth to them.

While i do not hold to the belief (or hope for) that “God” shall punish us and that the righteous will be rewarded with eternal bliss, i do hold the belief that the world is bigger than humanity.  If there was a major failing of the Enlightenment, it would be its anthrocentric view of the universe.

Not to mention that a good amount of the enlightening of Western society came from the rediscovery of texts such as the Hermes Trismegistus…which were, in fact, recyclings of older texts.  We have no clue as to what ancient humanity understood.  Mostly because the friars who accompanied the conquistadors burned all the Meso-American scrolls and the Bishop of Alexandria ordered his flock to torch the library of Alexandria.

One thing, however, is clear: someone was capable of making a scale model of the Northern Hemisphere in building the Great Pyramid (including the use of pi).  And someone was capable of fashioning and moving stones weighing 200 tons to build the Valley Temple. (few modern cranes are capable of such a feat)  Oddly enough, the three Giza pyramids mimic the situation of Orion in 10,500 BC.  That may be coincidence, but considering the fact that those structures are built to tolerances that aren’t even bothered with in modern building…maybe not.

No, i don’t think that aliens did it.  I think that human capability is probably far older than we give it credit for.  And i’m not the only one.  Note that our “enlightened” founding fathers had a real thing for Egyptian iconography; going so far as to lay the Mall on an angle that corresponds to the heliacal rising of Sirius.

Should i discuss how common it is for the numbers contained in myths to describe the precession of the equinoxes?

But you did get me, i do wish for some real excitement that man cannot control.  We’ve gotten far too big for our britches.  Still, i don’t buy the “end times” stuff (at least not the Biblical version).  Christianity is a reworking of a reworking of myths and knowledge much older; consequently, it should be taken as a hint…at best.

Neither the world, nor humanity, will end in cataclysm…only our shoddy approximation of civilization. 

P.S. i get my mythological information from books, not the internet (and took a degree in it, so i’d be happy to debate myth and religion until the sacred cows come home)

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By Folktruther, August 31, 2008 at 9:31 am Link to this comment

It’s comments like yours that really worry me, Jackpine. Your comment that what we really need is something that wipes out most of humanity is the kind of thing that is spreading from the Last Days of the religous loonies to a more common American outlook.

Even when it is not explicitly expressed there is appears to be a growing hunger for mass death in the American population, fostered by the neocons of both parties.  It justifies the enormous risks both parties are taking in foreign policy in starting the New Cold War to compliment the War on Terrorism against Muslims.  the Ultimate Enemy in this regard is China, who is replacing the US as the world’s leading nation.

This death wish, which is explicit in the religious ideology of the LEFT BEHIND series, appears to have enormous resonence.  A good sale for a hard back book is a hundred thousand copies.  The LEFT BEHIND series have sold SIXTY MILLION copies in various forms.  I tried to read one but it was too trashy.

It is the holistic preconceptions underlying the myths of religion, which are discarded by the Enlightened, that have the greatest ideological effect on the population.  The justification of the deth wish as a purifying force is one of them.  It seems to me that comments like yours has been increasing recently and in an increasingly fragile and brittle power system, this is not a good sign.

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By Leefeller, August 31, 2008 at 9:15 am Link to this comment

Jackpine,

George Carlin said it best, it does not matter who you vote for, “they do what they want anyway”.

Actually I agree with you, just to see how bad it really can become with Pain as President.  Let’s face it she will not make any decisions anyway, those in charge will call the shots.

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By jackpine savage, August 31, 2008 at 8:59 am Link to this comment

Nobody ever won an election by overestimating the intelligence of the American voter…a maxim that often leaves Democrats circulating cute little maps of America, the day after they lose another election, that call all the red states “Dumbfuckistan”.

Personally, i’m coming to like the Palin choice.  McCain dies three days after being sworn in and we get a real fundamentalist type. (the neocons just use the fundies for votes and crack jokes about them behind their backs…just like they all actually hate Reagan) 

The whole thing would be so tragically comedic as to be worth it.

And it probably doesn’t matter much anyhow, with a full pole shift predicted for sometime around 2030.  That’s the kind of change we need…something that can wipe out most of humanity and form the germ for a whole new body of wold-ending myths.

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By cann4ing, August 31, 2008 at 8:54 am Link to this comment

By RightWing, August 30 at 4:57 pm #

“Fact check, Obama was in the Senate like 18 months before running,he worked 165 days in the Senate…”

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Facts:  Barack Obama was sworn in as a U.S. Senator in January 2005.  He is still a United States Senator.  He has been a member of that august body now for 3 years and 9 months.

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By Reubenesque, August 31, 2008 at 8:52 am Link to this comment

And, right wing, refers to the Judeo-Christian, greed-driven jingostic policies that have dimmed the light of democracy, crippled basic human rights, undermined the world’s view of a once esteemed nation, hobbled a once vibrant economy, and rended America into a war-mongering, power-hungry empire.  I’d rather be the most disgusting, smelly person on earth than to be thought of as right wing.

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By Leefeller, August 31, 2008 at 7:22 am Link to this comment

Ed Harges,

Yes McCain has exceeded even the blatant cronyism sponsored by Bush. What is especially noticeable is the lack of ability and comprehension of these cronies, really apparent is the cronies are dumb or dumber than the people who selected them.

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By Ed Harges, August 31, 2008 at 6:35 am Link to this comment

McCain has shown that he will govern by impulse, and his veep pick is an even more romantic right-wing zealot cut from the same cloth - minus even the tempering of experience.

It should scare the living daylights out of everyone that either of these people might be in a position to launch nuclear missiles in the near future.

With 8 years of GWB, we have already seen what disasters result when we have a president who doesn’t want to think and instead goes with his “gut” and lunges to do some dramatic and stupid thing that will “show them all”, just like in the movies.

McCain’s desperate attempt to wow the crowd with his ludicrously ill-considered veep choice just reinforces what people have been saying about him for years now: he’s always been a bit of a hothead, and now he’s really losing his marbles.

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By Double U, August 31, 2008 at 5:22 am Link to this comment

I get the feeling that “Rightwing” and Sara Cass Elliott are here as Dem plants to further portray Republicans as retard losers.  Hahaha… Brilliant!

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By Double U, August 31, 2008 at 5:20 am Link to this comment

What a crowd the GOP is!  Hahaha…  Like the X-Cops, here to serve and entertain.

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By cann4ing, August 30, 2008 at 11:47 pm Link to this comment

What is the McCain campaign going to do if the ethics investigation of Palin, scheduled to come to a head in October, produces a finding against Palin? Does anyone remember what happened to George McGovern in the polls when, shortly after the DNC, revelations about psychological problems of his first VP pick, Tom Eagleton, forced McGovern to sack Eagleton and choose Sergeant Shriver instead? McGovern went on to lose every state except MA.

I find it difficult to believe that Palin was vetted. The most likely scenario was that McCain had actually picked Pawlenty, but that when Obama delivered what even the ultra conservative Pat Buchanan described as the best acceptance speech he had heard in his life time—a brilliant oration that picked up every canard the Karl Rove deciples had mustered and crammed into multi-million dollar ad campaigns and slammed them right back into McCain’s puffy face, his entire team panicked. Typical of all bullies, these Rove deciples had no clue what to do with a Democrat who actually hits back.

I’m sorry to be the one to break it to the true believers still taken in by the right wing, but this abominable decision to select an ideological neophyte reflects utter panic as well as a cynical underestimation of the intelligence of American women who vote not based on the gender of the candidate but on the substance of their policies.

If this is how McCain reacts to a mere speech by his Democratic opponent, how is he going to behave in a real crisis? I shutter to think that such a man would have his meaty fingers near the nuclear trigger.

This election is serious business folks, and Hillary Clinton was right. “No way. No how. No McCain!”

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By Big E, August 30, 2008 at 11:13 pm Link to this comment

Rus:

not only did Bush ‘fraudulently took this nation to war’ as cann4ing just posted but then Bush sub contracted it to his ‘buds’ so they could bleed the treasury ......  Geeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzus H.  man, wake up.

hell, Cheney of all people posted a incredibly prescient analysis around 1991 of why ‘Bush the older’ didn’t take over Iraq…...he itemized every contingency and mistake that has been made since this Iraq war started….. your boys got it wrong, they were in charge,.... but as if that wasn’t bad enough, your boys went to war on the cheap…......and they put clueless amateur cronies in to run the show… I believe it was Colin Powell who said something like ‘if you break it, you own it… well, ..... Bush, Cheney & Co. own Iraq, American blood, Iraqi blood and everything else….

G.W.Bush,.. if not for his family being a sort of political dynasty, old George would have ended up an alcoholic or druggie lying in an ally somewhere

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By cann4ing, August 30, 2008 at 10:34 pm Link to this comment

Basically, Rus, as demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt by Vincent Bugliosi, “the man” is guilty of murder—indeed, mass murder.  He fraudulently took this nation to war.  The war has killed over 4,100 American soldiers and more than one million innocent Iraqis.  “The man” should be brought before the bar of justice and tried as a war criminal. So yeah, Rus, I guess you could say I don’t like the man, for the same reasons that I don’t like Hitler or Pol Pot. 

But I’ve just recited unassailable facts—that “the man is an idiot.  He shoots from the hip, goes with his gut, can scarcely string two sentences together, is too dumb to know when he is wrong and he is a mean SOB” and all you can come back with is—He was a Governor.  Are you even capable, Rus, of logical thought?

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By boggs, August 30, 2008 at 8:23 pm Link to this comment

Sarah Palin has not accidentally been put into this position of running as McCain sidekick, the oil people in government knew exactly what they were doing when they chose to empower Bush and they are doing it again….!

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By cann4ing, August 30, 2008 at 8:13 pm Link to this comment

The fact that George W. Bush served two terms as Governor of Texas is not the reason he was never qualified to be President, Rus.  It’s the fact that the man is an idiot.  He shoots from the hip, goes with his gut, can scarcely string two sentences together, is too dumb to know when he is wrong and he is a mean SOB.  And, to top it off, he is dishonest to the core.  He is not and never was presidential material, and will no doubt be seen as America’s worst President, ever—that is unless voters are dumb enough to allow John “bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” McCain access to the nuclear trigger, eliminating all further history by ending all life on the planet.

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By cann4ing, August 30, 2008 at 8:05 pm Link to this comment

y RightWing, August 30 at 4:57 pm #

Fact check, Obama was in the Senate like 18 months before running,he worked 165 days in the Senate,So how much experience does he have?

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A.  He is still in the Senate. 

B.  His experience on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee exceeds that of Reagan, Carter, Clinton and George W. when they ran.  His experience is strikingly similar to the level of Abraham Lincoln’s experience—his judgment appears to be strikingly similar to Lincoln’s as well.

C.  When it comes to intellect, this is a classic mismatch.  McCain gives every indication of early stage senile dementia.  But setting that aside, even in his prime, the privileged son & grandson of powerfully placed admirals finished 894th in a class of 899 at the Naval Academy—an academic record even more paltry than the mediocre record posted by George W.  Compare that to Obama, the self made man who parlayed hard work and something sorely lacking in McCain (intelligence) to become the first African American student editor of the Harvard Law Review before graduating Magna Cum Laude from that prestigious institution.

I know you Repukes like to characterize anyone who dares to mention the intellectual inferiority of your designated candidate as “elitist.”  But come on there Right Wing.  We are talking about the POTUS—the world’s most powerful and intellectually challenging office, and neither the senile old man you Repukes have picked nor the neophyte ideologue of a VP come even close to meeting the intellectual qualifications for that office.  And if you were not so blinded by your Fixed Noise ideology, you would actually see that and support Obama.

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By boggs, August 30, 2008 at 7:58 pm Link to this comment

Palin is all wrapped up in GUNS, GOD and OIL.
These neo-cons are not christians. They carry the bible and wear the flag to get the vote of the flocks.
They have no compassion and an Iraqi life means nothing to them.
The evangelicals are directly responsible for the mess we find ourselves in at this time. Surely they wouldn’t make the same mistake again, would they?
And as a PS—The Rev. Rick Warren lied when he said that McCain was in his cone of silence…...

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By Folktruther, August 30, 2008 at 7:36 pm Link to this comment

The Dems WERE a consrvative party, Anarcissie, they aren’t anymore.  Their leadership are complicit enablers of a new form of police state which is gutting bourgeois Democracy.

After WW2 the opposition ideology in most of the capitalist Democracies was socialism.  It was suppressed in the US during what was called the McCarthy era (led as Scott pointed out by the FBI) when socialists and radicals were purged from the univeristies, movies, governement and other truth agencies.  Minorty leaders were murdered and their groups infiltrated by the FBI under COINTELPRO.

Simultaneously liberal and progressive anti-communist groups and public intellectuals were funded by the CIA and other agencies, as documented by the British historian Francis Conor Saunders in WHO PAID THE PIPER?  The War on Communism wiped out socialism and marxism in the US, making liberalism the Progressive ideology, which was a conservative ideology in more advanced polities.

When the War on Communism of the 20th century segued into the War on Terrorism of the 21st, both parties succumed to Zionist neoconism.  This Terrorism ideology was formulated in a 1979 Jerusulem conference attended by big power figures from the US and Israel.  It led to the PNAC essay and a comperable one for Israel.

The Dem rhetoric has not changed much but their policies have under the new War, since they are funded by the same neocon ruling class.  Endless war abroad and a disguised police state at home.  Whatever their personal feelings, that is what they vote for and support, if only by their silence.  There is nothing Conservative about this doctrine or the class inequality that it creates.

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By Anarcissie, August 30, 2008 at 6:25 pm Link to this comment

Folktruther: ’... So they want to continue politics as the struggle between the neocons leading the Gops and the neocons leading the Dems, there being merely rhetorical differneces on the same policy.  This being so, it does not appear that reason will make any differnece to them.’

I was thinking about the similarities and differences between the parties today.

The common theme is, of course, global domination, by whatever means is necessary, including aggressive, unprovoked war (that is, murder) and as much repression as is necessary or entertaining at home, and then some.  All mainstream politicians believe this, for if they do not, they are kicked out of the mainstream, and usually cease to be politicians.  Nulla salus extra ecclesiam.

However, the Democrats are a conservative party, in the real sense of the word.  (Adlai Stevenson pointed this out in the 1950s, and it’s still true.)  The Republicans are a radical party; actually, I would say, a disparate assemblage of right-wing radical groups.  The Democrats are the old bourgeoisie, what’s left of it, still believing in its entitlement to rule, its knowledge, its reason, its virtue, its noble intentions, puzzled and confused when its radical new-bourgeois opponents run rings around it, slashing and burning, as by nominating Palin.  Thus, in the Palin thing, we observe wide huffing and puffing on the part of Democrats about her lack of qualifications and experience, which is exactly what McCain wants them to talk about, so he can turn it against Obama.

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By RightWing, August 30, 2008 at 6:06 pm Link to this comment

Reubenesque,, Isn’t that liberal for fat woman,I mean she wears glasses to look smart,your name relates to a large Jewish type of sandwich or a fat woman that has the hint of perfumed sweat, or sauerkraut.

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By RightWing, August 30, 2008 at 5:57 pm Link to this comment

Fact check, Obama was in the Senate like 18 months before running,he worked 165 days in the Senate,So how much experience does he have?

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By cann4ing, August 30, 2008 at 4:30 pm Link to this comment

Metros obviously did not listen to Al Gore’s convention speech.  Gore reminded us of another President, who, like Barack Obama, was a lawyer and like Obama, served eight years in the Illinois before a two year stint in Congress (Obama has been in the Senate for four years) before running for POTUS.  Also like Obama, this former President criticized a predecessor for taking this nation into an unnecessary war.  That former President did not have the experience like that senile old womanizer, McCain, but he had a judgment and temperament so sound that he is now regarded as perhaps our finest.  His name was Abraham Lincoln.

You also did not listen to an interview with President Carter, who pointed out that with his four years on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Senator Obama has more experience than Presidents Reagan, Carter, Clinton & George W. Bush when they chose to run for the POTUS.

Leyah Jensen, your observations are shared by Gail Collins who in today’s NY Times wrote, “The idea that women are going to race off to vote for any candidate with the same internal plumbing is both offensive and historically wrong.” 

That’s always been the problem with male Republicans even with their Stepford wives in tow.  They consistently underestimate the intelligence and ability for independent thought of American women.  As noted by Ruth Mandel of the Eagleton Institute of Policy, “The gender gap traditionally has been determined by party preference, not by the gender of the candidate.”

You should, of course, be offended, but you should not be surprised.  This slap-in-the-face comes from a guy with a zero rating from NARAL who has not only consistently opposed a woman’s right to choose, but consistently voted against women’s health care needs, including his refusal to support legislation requiring insurance carriers to pay for prescription birth control.  He has done nothing less than ask you to vote for Clarence Thomas in a skirt.

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By Leefeller, August 30, 2008 at 4:07 pm Link to this comment

Leyah Jensen,

Your comment makes me wonder and substantiates some of other postings, feelings that the GOP is really trying to lay down for now.  Let’s face it Obama or whoever becomes president, will inherit the ultimate mess left by Bush and Clowns.  All the kings men and all the kings horses may not put Humpty together again.

McCain seems inept beyond comprehension, but so does Bush, a baffling puzzle beyond the scope of reason.

We are only pawns in the games the elite play.

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By danieladamsmith, August 30, 2008 at 3:27 pm Link to this comment

This was Karl Rove on Tim Kaine from Face the Nation a few weeks ago…substitute Palin for Kaine and you get the drift.


“With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he’s been a governor for three years, he’s been able but undistinguished. I don’t think people could really name a big, important thing that he’s done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America. And again, with all due respect to Richmond, Virginia, it’s smaller than Chula Vista, California; Aurora, Colorado; Mesa or Gilbert, Arizona; north Las Vegas or Henderson, Nevada. It’s not a big town. So if he were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where he said, `You know what? I’m really not, first and foremost, concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States?”

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By rage, August 30, 2008 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment
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Maverick? No way! I don’t care how the ReThugniCon DoubleSpeak dictionaries redefined the term maverick! Sarah Palin is still anything but one!

Neophyte? With just 21 months experience as governor and four years as mayor of roughly 9000 Alaskan locals? Er, uh, DUH!!!!

What Palin most certainly is not, however, is a cogent and intelligent GOP response to Hillary Rodham Clinton. Say what you want, Hillary is accomplished politically and professionally, and has been for longer than five or six years. That, and Hillary really did have a very well crafted plan for pregressively unifying and growing America over the course of two terms. Hillary’s problem was the curse of Penn and Ickes running her campaign directly into the ground. Palin is the empty, course, inexperienced political antithesis of Clinton. Palin is absolutely NOT ready to take the Cheney Vader seat on day-1. All Palin really brings to the McCain ticket is that coy manipulative synthetic charm most of these conniving career pageanteers rely on to subsequently wreck homes and sleep their way into positions they wouldn’t be in without their looks and that certain witless willingness to be used. That, and Palin’s said to bake great cookies.

Face it, Obama and Biden are a shoe-in, come November. The Straightjacket Regress is already straining to keep Gramps on his regular meds to combat all his detrimental senior moments. And, Palin the Pinhead is not going to be the blessing Karl Rove thinks. During that first VEEP debate, when Joe Biden politely tears Palin several brand new ones with his eloquently delivered stupendous response to the very first question Stephanopolis asks both candidates, McCain is going to be caught live off stage somewhere in one of those infamous gotcha-moments, screaming “Palin, you dumb bitch, you’re killing me, you stupid, ignorant CUNNNNNT!!!!” at the top of his lungs. In that frightening fit of apoplexy, Grampers will be horrifically unmasked before all the world for the psychotic Tourette’s sufferer he truly is. I can see it all now. McCain - Palin 2008 is going to tragically and publicly unravel into a dreadful heap of overplayed YouTube fodder long before Halloween. The GOP and RNC combined aren’t going to have a braintrust fierce enough with a treacherous bag of dirty tricks devious enough to fix that calamity by the Forth Day in November 2028, let alone 2008.

Seriously, Gramps should have asked Walter Mondale about the consequences of haste and desperation when choosing a running mate, instead of listening to Karl Rove. A cute 44-year old gift received by a Presidential candidate on his 72nd birthday does not necessarily make a good VEEP candidate.

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By Inherit The Wind, August 30, 2008 at 3:02 pm Link to this comment

Palin—like most Americans—doesn’t support infantacide, as Obama does.
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Show me ONE instance where Obama has advocated murdering babies.  Not aborting embryos or fetuses but murdering infants—which is the definition of infantacide.

George W. Bush has killed 10’s of thousands of babies in his illegal war in Iraq.  But I’ll bet you’ll defend HIM to the death (of somebody else…)

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By Leyah Jensen, August 30, 2008 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment
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I’m your classic female swing voter who was a staunch Hillary supporter, and utterly crushed when she wasn’t picked for VP. I was turning towards McCain—and then came his announcement. McCain’s choice was like a slap in the face, an absolute insult to my intelligence as a female swing voter as it implies my kind were looking merely for a female candidate and don’t have the depth to comprehend the issues themselves. And on issues, you needn’t look far to realize that Sara Palin is no Hillary Clinton. On poise, character, grace, and wisdom, Sara is no Hillary.

So thank you, John McCain: instead of gaining my trust as you were just on the verge of doing, your insult has solidified my vote with the Democratic party. And the humiliation to my dearest asset—my intelligence—has stirred in me a fire to do everything possible to assure Obama’s victory, and your defeat. Clarity is bliss, and I have you to thank that instead of spending the next several months teetering, my decision has now been made in time to get to work for the democrats. At last, a sure opponent is in my sights.

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By NinoBaldino, August 30, 2008 at 12:54 pm Link to this comment
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I am not impressed..when is this so called beauty queen home with her kids.as a man who sired 7 children my wife was right there for the kids..when they got older she became a coach and scout leader..etc..this alaskan doll is absent .I guess when you have money like the Kennedys you can hire nannies to take care of your kids..it works too.we all know how the kennedy brats..I mean children turned out..I would ask her.hey girl..you are part of a team that voted to confirm Ginsberg to the supremes ...she is an official in the ACLU and has voted ,with their agenda..for legalizing child porn,I guess,mother of the year.you are happy Ginsberg is on the court.since you accepted this position as veep.how charming.smile for the camera.I see the establishment clones..like Bill,Sean,Rush,so called pro-life groups are ecstatic over you jumping on the dirty little mans bandwagon..enjoy..only thing is you cant fool God!

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