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Running for War President at Any Cost

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Posted on Aug 26, 2008
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John McCain speaks at the Veterans of Foreign Wars National Convention in Orlando, Fla., on Aug. 18.

By Robert Scheer

Just great! Nuclear-armed Pakistan is falling apart, Iran’s nuclear program is unchecked and congressional legislation on cooperation with the Russians on controlling nuclear proliferation is now dead in the water. Horrid news except for Sen. John McCain, who thrills to a repeat of the danger lines of the Cold War, and now stands a good chance of being our next president.

A very good chance, if the Russian recognition of the independence of two breakaway Georgia provinces can be elevated to the status of a major challenge to the security of the United States. It is an absurd claim: How can one justify uncritical support for the independence of Kosovo from Serbia earlier this year while denouncing a similar claim by a Georgian ethnic minority? It is also difficult to ignore that it was Georgia’s president and close McCain friend, Mikheil Saakashvili, who upset the status quo by invading first.

Saakashvili’s attempt to compare the Russian response with that of the “Stalinist Soviet Union” is a nutty reference to a Georgian-born tyrant who ruled Russia and who is still revered in much of his native Georgia. But when you need a new Stalin to get a Cold War going, President Dmitry Medvedev and the elected members of a unanimous Russian parliament will have to do. And McCain is very happy to have this card to play.

McCain can win only as a war president. He neither knows nor cares much about the economic meltdown, which is the consequence of the deregulation mania that he has supported at every turn during his career in the Senate. If McCain had to run on his economic policy record in the Senate, he might be a loser even in his home state of Arizona, whose residents are suffering mightily from economic disarray presided over by the Republicans. Better to dwell on the dubious success of the surge in Iraq than on the surge in home mortgage foreclosures and the price of gasoline that has crippled Arizona’s and the nation’s economy. Still better to change the subject to the Russians and Georgia rather than dwell overly long on the disaster of Iraq, which has cost our nation trillions of dollars and where the prime minister now is far more zealous than Barack Obama in calling for an early withdrawal of U.S. troops. But whatever McCain’s problems from cheerleading for Bush’s war, they pale in comparison to his vulnerability on the most pressing domestic issues.

Instead of learning the hard lessons of the need for stern government oversight of the financial sector from his own compromised involvement as a member of the Keating Five in the 1980s savings-and-loan scandal, he voted to have more of the same. McCain became a booster for all of the banking deregulation legislation advanced by the Senate Banking Committee’s then-chairman, Phil Gramm, who, more than any other legislator in the past decade, should be held responsible for the current mess.


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Instead of recognizing that Gramm had pursued a disastrous course as the subprime mortgage scandal was exposed, McCain appointed the former-senator-turned-banker to be his campaign chair. McCain fired Gramm over a verbal gaffe but has not retracted any of his key votes liberating the financial community to fleece those desperate to become homeowners, and, were that the subject of the presidential campaign, he would lag way behind in the polls. This is not the season for laissez-faire corporate capitalism.

That’s why he needs a new Cold War, but it’s a bad fit for the world we face. The danger from Russia is not that it has imperial ambitions driven by the remnants of an expansionist communist ideology. Even China, which is still a communist-run state, knows that old-fashioned imperialism doesn’t pay. What drives nations to madness these days is not ideology—communist, Muslim or any other flavor of the month—but rather an assortment of nationalist and religion-fueled grievances. In the case of Russia, the evolution of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin from the man Bush so admired to the one McCain despises was driven by hostile U.S. policies—from NATO expansion to placing anti-missile rockets near Russia’s borders.

The first step in adjusting U.S. foreign policy to a multipolar world is to recognize that other nations, as well as the United States, have causes and concerns that may be legitimate, even when they differ from our view. The hope of the Obama campaign was that a less U.S.-centric view might be in the offing, but that might be too great an expectation in the midst of a presidential campaign.

Robert Scheer is author of a new book, “The Pornography of Power: How Defense Hawks Hijacked 9/11 and Weakened America.”

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By samosamo, August 30, 2008 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment

I believe oswald ACTED alone and was the sole shooter. You too will still have a very hard time proving otherwise. All the ingredients in the assassintations time lime meets the criteria for the 3 shots that were directed at the motorcade that came from the book depository. AND as stated I believe there was a conspiracy but not one in the actual shooting event, oswald did it most likely with prompting and promises from someone. So why keep placing the whole dealy plaza loaded with guns going off and multiple assassins hanging out like it was a picnic? AND as I said ‘ain’t no body else going to be arrested for this sad day in american history’.
You and every body else will do better while is it is still relatively recent to gain information to prove the demolition of the 3 wtc buildings because there are background groups to choose from and it is most probably is not just one. But you will have to make a bunch of msm controlled drooling idiots in this country come to the realization that what w & dick made them believe is wrong.

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By Folktruther, August 30, 2008 at 8:26 am Link to this comment

The Warran Commission, Samo, may well rank as the most fraudulent political theater ever perpretrated on a people in modern times.

The murder of John Kennedy, the small plane crash a month later that killed Ted Kennedy’s pilot, which he survived, and the murder of Robert Kennedy before he could attain the presidency, (the authoposy proved he was shot in the back of the head.  They then tried to fire the coroner Naguchi.) led to the false flag operation of 9/11-anthrax.

If they could get away with the absurd implausabilities in the Kennedy murders, they felt that they could get away with anything, including mass murder. These murders led directly to the gangster state and the homicidal maniacs that now rule us.

Probably Oswald wasn’t involved at all except as a patsy.

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By samosamo, August 29, 2008 at 10:58 pm Link to this comment

By johndoraemi, August 29 at 12:08 pm

I believe it and you will have a harder time proving otherwise. When a bullet strikes and object like a human head, just the force of the bullet(in this case full metal jacket) due to its speed and mass creates pressures inside an enclosed soft tissue like brain matter and blood by a relatively rigid shell(bone)with jointed plates and result in an explosion/eruption that will disperse pieces in different directions.
For the longest time it appeared that the shot came from the left or forward left but the wound channel in the brain shows forward and angular direction from the rear and elevated.
But I disagree that there was NO conspiracy. Oswald had the time to meet and be goaded and prompted to commit this act. The type weapon and the time line from the 1st to 3rd shot is valid even with the crummy action of the rifle used and when the distance at the last shot being less than 100 yards maybe just even 60 yards, a trained marine shooting with iron sights can easily pull that assassination off.
Most of the people are dead and no one else will be implicated in this. Go with me in the dire need to fully and forcefully investigate why and how the 3 wtc towers were brought down by demolition. Any of the close shots of those collapses show the charges going straight down the buildings. And you don’t set 3 buildings up for demolition that are the sizes of those 3 buildings in a month or two.

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By johndoraemi, August 29, 2008 at 1:08 pm Link to this comment
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“By samosamo, August 27 at 7:10 pm #

I believe Oswald was the lone assassin just from what I read in Vincent Bugliosi’s recent tome on the JFK assassination. I doubted oswalt acted alone but now believe otherwise.”

Bugliosi used the Warren Commission Report as a bible, and did not investigate the other side.  Have you seen Oliver Stone’s JFK?  Looked at the investigation of New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison?

Numerous pieces of evidence make it impossible that Oswald was a “lone assassin.”  The list is very long. 

Zapruder’s film shows Kennedy being shot from the front right, not from behind.  Kennedy’s head is propelled backward and to his left.  Does that not count as evidence?  Or was Oswald using Star Trek transportation devices to magically jump locations?

A crowd ran after the shooter, running to see who was behind the fence at the Grassy Knoll, immediately after the execution.  This was shown in some footage. 

Most tellingly, the Kennedy skull wounds were witnessed by numerous doctors, nurses and secret service.  They showed an “exit wound” in the back of his head the size of a grapefruit. 

by Gary L. Aguilar, MD

When it comes to CIA involvement and state power, be very very skeptical of anything the USG says.  Especially when there is much evidence of cover-up.

Conspiracy is an Absolute Fact

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By Folktruther, August 29, 2008 at 10:29 am Link to this comment

Thank you very much, Cyrena, for the 9/11 info on military exercises and pilot overrides.  I’ve never seen these details on 9/11 truth.  I suggest that with your personal knowldege of overrides that you might inform 9/11 truth.  I know they have many pilots involved, but you give the info in a way that they don’t.  Needless to say, most people don’t know this.

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By cyrena, August 29, 2008 at 8:55 am Link to this comment

By RUMCSwan, August 28 at 2:18 pm #
Rus7355 (August 28 at 10:42 am)

Re: Duel Identities
Well, I only have one username identity on TD, used to be JMCSwan, but TD banned me, cause I allegedly offended someone—don’t know who. And now it’s RUMCSwan.


Glad you’re back, and I’m sorry you were banned. I wondered what had become of you, but did recognize the similarity in your user name, so I was glad to see that you had returned, though unaware of the ‘banning’. I admit that I don’t understand how some people are ‘banned’ while others continue to spew the worst sort of nastiness without any consequences.

And, just for the record, it isn’t just me who has been under constant attack from rus numbers/JBlack/Issywise, or any of their other identities. Actually, this Issywise character only recently appeared a couple of weeks ago, but he used to be Ardee. JBlack and russ7355 apprear to be one and the same *thing* but I don’t try to keep track of them all.

For rus numbers, just about ANYBODY is fair game for attack, but I happen to be his first, and apparently remain his favorite. Between he and JBlack (again, I suspect one and the same thing)  they’ve both called me a bigot more times than anyone can count. In fact, neither one of them can make a post here, without referencing me, and calling me a bigot. They also continue to perpetrate the myth that Outraged and I are the same poster. Both of us (Outraged and I) have been reading and posting here for nearly two years, (actually, I think she was posting before I began) and if memory serves, she’s located somewhere in Wisconsin, while there is no secret that I’m in California. We’ve never met, and our writing styles are not the same, though we do have a tendency to be in agreement on most, (though certainly not all) issues.

That said, ANY person with even 3 brain cells who might follow even 20% of the discussions here, to which we both contribute, would KNOW that we are not the same people. (we’d both have to be far more talented, to actually carry on such arguments with OURSELVES. Now Outraged may be, (we’ve never met) but I’m damn sure not. I have enough trouble keeping up with and PROTECTING my own singular identity.

So, while you might have been sort of kidding when you told rus numbers that you though he was me, you gave me a near heart attack!! wink

Nope, I’m just me. That’s enough to try and take care of or otherwise be responsible for is such troubled and perilous times.

Besides, it’s not just the NSA guys beaming shit into our brains. (or trying to). At least not unless rus numbers is a NSA guy. If so, he’s not a very smart one.

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By cyrena, August 29, 2008 at 8:35 am Link to this comment

By amunaor, August 28 at 1:10 pm #


Interestingly, numerous NORAD, and its eastern counterpart, NEADS gamers, were performing live, what if, hijacking scenarios at that very same precise moment; to add a fog of confusion, the actual event was piggybacked into these live games.


Indeed, this is what we’ve come to understand from the events of 9/11. There were actually 15 drills occurring on that day, which prevented the famous air force defense system from responding to these alleged highjackings for a full hour and 45 minutes.

As the former Mayor of San Franciso, Willie Brown said upon learning of these events, “My God, if they can’t protect the Pentagon, what protection is there for ANY of us?”

Why oh why was our famous air defense MIA for one hour an 45 minutes on 9/11? Simple enough question it seems like to me. But, how many of us have wondered?

As for the over-ride control of the airplanes, this is really not all that much of a ‘super conspiracy’ thing. The reality is that these aircraft ARE, routinely - programmed via the FDC (flight deck computer) with an automated flight plan that basically controls the aircraft, once it’s reached it’s altitude and designated route.

In my own experience in flight planning, these uploaded flight plans were restricted to international flights that operate in a non-radar environment, since it’s the only way to track the aircraft over large bodies of water. But the airplanes are the same, (Boeing 757 and 767 equipment) and so they ALL have this capacity.

What I’m saying is that ‘remote control’ of an aircraft is basically standard. There’s nothing particularly ‘nefarious’ about it, though it obviously CAN be, as we noted on 9/11, since not a single one of those 8 pilots attempted to squawk the emergency highjack code, or any other.

That can ONLY mean, (IMO) that the capacity to do exactly that, had been disabled. That is not a far-fetched thing, in terms of the technology. It’s only ‘far-fetched’ that it would have been intentionally programmed that way.

With multiple drills occurring on 9/11, and fake blips and bleeps occurring in both the military as well as the FAA centers, this is not the least bit unthinkable. Rather, it is far MORE ‘unthinkable’ to suggest that 8 experienced commercial airline pilots simply gave up their cockpits to knife or bomb wielding terrorists.

Come on folks. These are the same people you trust with your lives every time you step on an airplane, and it’s THEIR LIVES TOO!!

How can anyone REALLY believe that these professionals did *nothing*, UNLESS that capacity had been taken away from them?

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By Kelco, August 29, 2008 at 5:05 am Link to this comment
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Most People here are NUT JOBS!  What the Frick?!
The only poster here who speaks with any truth or courtesy is Rus7355.  Why so angry and defensive? Check back with me when you have graduated from Junior High.

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By liz, August 28, 2008 at 7:00 pm Link to this comment
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The following critical information published by Stratfor & Asia Times but no mainstream U.S. media about the U.S.-Pkistan relationship needs to be broadly known:

11/20/07WASHINGTON: Pakistan’s nuclear weapons are already under American control In a stunning disclosure…the journal Stratfor reported that the “United States delivered a very clear ultimatum to Musharraf in the wake of 9/11: Unless Pakistan allowed US forces to take control of Pakistani nuclear facilities, the United States would be left with no choice but to destroy those facilities, possibly with India’s help.” ...

Pakistan: FBI rules the roost
By Syed Saleem Shahzad
September 11, 2001… saw Pakistan throw in its lot with the US. This entailed ...opening its air bases to the US military for operations in Afghanistan…It also allowed US intelligence to establish a finger-hold in the country, which the FBI has now turned into a vice-like grip through an ever-expanding network that has infiltrated, to various degrees, Pakistan’s armed forces, the police and intelligence agencies… The FBI initially kept a low profile, working mostly at the direction of the all-powerful Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), Pakistan’s premier intelligence outfit and effectively the architect and orchestrator of Pakistan’s strategic policies.Now, however, the FBI works autonomously, with its own separate organizational setup… “After September 11, 2001, we were given instructions to work along with FBI operators. Initially they were given a room in the ISI’s operations office. They used to give commands to us, and we had to obey them. For instance, once they asked us to send a packet somewhere. We packed it and informed them that the parcel was ready. They unpacked the parcel and asked an ISI employee to repack it in front of them. This is the way the FBI operators showed their domination over the ISI staff. At first they asked us to coordinate in operations. Later on they were given a separate place of work, then they cultivated local police officers, and several times they did not bother to inform the ISI about their operations.”... Some military experts take a dim view of this. One told Asia Times Online that having army units trained by a foreign intelligence apparatus was like handing over the keys of the country to another nation ...

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By Folktruther, August 28, 2008 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment

I figured that there had to be an overirde of some kind to control the planes, Amonaor.  But I haven’t seen it mentioned on 9/11 Truth.

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By RUMCSwan, August 28, 2008 at 3:18 pm Link to this comment

Rus7355 (August 28 at 10:42 am)

Re: Duel Identities

Well, I only have one username identity on TD, used to be JMCSwan, but TD banned me, cause I allegedly offended someone—don’t know who. And now it’s RUMCSwan.

Rus*7355* you know sometimes, I get this funny feeling that *you* are Cyrena! wink And don’t know why you giving each other such a hard time, although I must say—if true—bit like me arguing with my conscience (and damn do I have one hell of a conscience—all those psychotronics guys at the NSA working overtime beaming shit into my brain!! wink).

Anyway, I ain’t got no gripes with either of you, don’t always agree, but then I often don’t agree with MYSELF!!! wink And that takes some doing!

All this spouting off about our political opinions, hiding behind our ‘TD’ identity, and yet if we happened to be in the same coffee shop, we wouldn’t even know each other. Strange, isn’t it? It’s a bit Orwellian, you feel as if you know some ‘identity’s’ opinions, as if this is a ‘community’—but what do any of us do for each other—except provide somewhere where we can ‘virtually’ feel ‘at home’? A few months ago, I was arrested, spent over a month in prison—doubt anyone at TD even missed me.

Does anyone know what I’m trying to say? Is there more to ‘this’ ‘politics’ that we ‘want’, or are we happy with things just as they are?

Sorry, got a bit off subject.

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By amunaor, August 28, 2008 at 2:10 pm Link to this comment


Interestingly, numerous NORAD, and its eastern counterpart, NEADS gamers, were performing live, what if, hijacking scenarios at that very same precise moment; to add a fog of confusion, the actual event was piggybacked into these live games.

Suspicion has it that the ‘aircraft’ may have been outfitted with a DARPA designed electronics mechanism ‘Global Hawk’, which had the capacity for disabling and over-riding onboard pilot control of the craft and placing it into the hands of a remote crew. (Webster Tarpley - 9/11 Synthetic Terror-Made in USA)


“Deception is a state of mind and the mind of the state.” - James Jesus Angelton - Director of CIA Counter Intelligence (1954-74)

“The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media.” - William Colby - Director of the CIA (1973-76) 

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By Folktruther, August 28, 2008 at 1:48 pm Link to this comment

Thank you for the link to FALSE FLAGS, Amunaor.  But I still don’t understand why the simpliest way to conduct one is to simulate with a practice operation.

I can’t easily get utobe.  Did the owner of the world tower 7, Silverstein, actually say that he arranged with the fire department to detonate the building?

If so, than the explosives must have been put in previously to 9/11.

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By amunaor, August 28, 2008 at 1:13 pm Link to this comment

False Flags by Captain Eric H. May
Global Research, February 23, 2008

The easiest way to carry out a false flag attack is by setting up a military exercise that simulates the very attack you want to carry out. As I’ll detail below, this is exactly how government perpetrators in the US and UK handled the 9/11 and 7/7 “terror” attacks, which were in reality government attacks blamed on “terrorists.”.......

More often than not, enemies are manufactured as a prerequisite for invasion, exploitation and plunder; especially when a nation has war as its sole industry on which it relies. In which case, war is an absolute necessity.

I just hope that Obama doesn’t allow Biden to go Cheney on him!!!

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By StonMaui, August 28, 2008 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment

Putin blames US for Georgia role

Mr Putin told CNN US citizens were in the area of conflict “implementing orders”

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has accused the US of provoking the conflict in Georgia, possibly for domestic election purposes

Click here to read more:

Scheer is really on to something…

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By RUMCSwan, August 28, 2008 at 10:04 am Link to this comment

Cyrena (cyrena, August 28 at 8:25 am)

~~ That’s because *he* definitely has an agenda, and so assumes that all others have the same agenda.  ~~

I don’t understand your comment. Surely everyone who makes the effort to post a comment to an article, or a response to another poster HAS AN AGENDA. We all have agendas, naturally some may be similar, and others opposing, but I don’t see how anyone can NOT HAVE AN AGENDA.

PS: Pretending *not* to have an agenda: IS IN ITSELF AN AGENDA.

Nothing wrong with agenda’s, thats what makes us human, it’s just about being honest firstly with ourselves about what our agenda’s are (in that moment, to that person) and with others, as we are able. Can’t be honest with another, when we aren’t with ourselves.

Don’t you think, you, and all of us have agenda’s?

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By cyrena, August 28, 2008 at 9:52 am Link to this comment

By samosamo, August 27 at 7:16 pm

Don’t mean to crowd too much in here but here is an interesting link to a post on msnbc. Makes me wonder why w is still fighting the actual constitutional mandate of congress. This should acutally be a post here on truthdig and maybe it will be, but it does need to be read and discussed and cussed.

Samosamo, Thanks ever so much for this link, and for having the perseverance to stomach the MSM in order to find this stuff. Because you’re right, this should be an on-going topic of conversation, and every single American should be questioning this, because it is a most ominous sign, and one that most Americans have been missing, for the past 7+ years.

It is the ongoing destruction of the Constitution, and the form of government as it was once established by the founders, and I KNOW that most Americans simply are not aware of it. I don’t have as much time as I’d like at the moment, to add what I think would be some additional (and helpful resources) but I’ll try to get to that within a week or so. I’m still in the relocation process, so I need to get settled so that I can access that information. But in the meantime, this is really worth keeping track of, so thanks for the link.

And, maybe TD will get around to posting it. I can think of a few regular authors who might take this up.

I’ll also be curious to hear more of what you learn on the CFR, the TC, and the Bilderberg Group. I admit that my knowledge of the Bilderberg Group is limited, because I’ve never really had the interest, or more honestly, the time…to do any balanced investigation. I do know more about the origins of the CFR and the TC though, and if you maintain an interest, I have just a couple of suggestions, which are basic for nearly any sort of research on anything controversial. That would be to investigate and cross reference from MULTIPLE sources, including (as much as is reasonably accessible) as many of their publications as possible. There IS a way to get to ‘unsanitized’ original work, but I admit that it takes some doing, and occasionally it requires a paid or other authorized access to data banks that not everyone has.

BUT…those references are becoming more available. Lexis Nexus is a good one, and I’ll check to see if there might be a way to access it for free now. I have academic access, so I’ll check myself, when time permits. It’s hard work, but the only way to cut through anything like this, (any groups/individuals who are suspected of more than their ostensible presence/purpose) is to really track it/them from multiple and original sources. In all honesty, I’m a little bit ‘suspect’ of the recent conspiracy theories circulating about these groups. That is *not* to say that I reject it all…not by a long shot. I believe it’s definitely worth investigating, and in depth. Because, that’s the only way to really find out. It just means doing it from a multiple approach.

So, let me know what you come up with. I’ll be interested to find out.

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By RUMCSwan, August 28, 2008 at 9:35 am Link to this comment

By Observer, (August 27 at 5:11 pm)

~~ Often, an outsider is better placed to observe finer detail than those central to it. Many years ago, as a British Army officer, I had reasonably close liaisons with Soviet Army officers. At the time, I truly believed that they were the masters of propaganda. In retrospect, they were nothing of the sort. US Adminstrations beat them, hands down. Though a small amount of their propaganda is directed outside the US, by far the majority it is intended solely for domestic consumption.
As Archibald Cox once said, “I confess that I cannot understand how we can plot, lie, cheat and commit murder abroad and remain humane, honorable, trustworthy and trusted at home.” ~~

Your statement reminded me of John Pilger‘s article, Journalism as a weapon of war

“During the Cold War, a group of Russian journalists toured the United States. On the final day of their visit, they were asked by their hosts for their impressions. “I have to tell you,” said their spokesman, “that we were astonished to find, after reading all the newspapers and watching TV, that all the opinions on all the vital issues were, by and large, the same. To get that result in our country, we imprison people, we tear out their fingernails. Here, you don’t have that. What’s the secret? How do you do it?”

What is the secret? It’s a question now urgently asked of those whose job is to keep the record straight: who in this country have extraordinary constitutional freedom. I refer to journalists, of course, a small group who hold privileged sway over the way we think, even the way we use language.

I have been a journalist for more than 40 years. Although I am based in London, I have worked all over the world, including the United States, and I have reported America’s wars. My experience is that what the Russian journalists were referring to is censorship by omission, the product of a parallel world of unspoken truth and public myths and lies: in other words, censorship by journalism, which today has become war by journalism. 

For me, this is the most virulent and powerful form of censorship, fuelling an indoctrination that runs deep in western societies, deeper than many journalists themselves understand or will admit to. Its power is such that it can mean the difference between life and death for untold numbers of people in faraway countries, like Iraq. 


Another fly on the wall?

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By cyrena, August 28, 2008 at 9:25 am Link to this comment

By Ed Harges, August 27 at 8:15 pm #

re: By Folktruther, August 27 at 8:02 pm:

I know, you’re right. I was just feeling weird about how he was singling me out for this treatment. There are a number of posters here who take much the same point of view as myself, but I’m the only one whom Rus-numbers badgers so insistently for an answer as to why I “hate America.”

And I agree, his nonsense smacks of bad faith, unlike the sincere Holocaust denier crackpot you mention. Rus has the smarmy smugness of some pampered pseudo-scholar comfortably nestled in a plush Republikudnik “think tank.” Unmistakable neocon pedigree.
Just my impression. Or maybe he sells cars.

Ed, It’s not just *your* impression on rus. Nor are you the only one he harasses and attacks, even on the ‘hate America’ agenda. That’s one of a handful of his formats/templates, which is uses on many, and recycles them. At some point in time, he’s used them all on me as well.

I would say that it is far more than bad faith. Rus with numbers, (thanks folktruther, that’s a good one) is only tied in the combination of treacherous perfidy and duplicity by JBlack, but rus with negative numbers is a tad bit more sophisticated with it.

Anyway, it’s not just you. He’s the worst of the worst, but some are encouraged, (for one reason or another) to engage with him from time to time, (if one can even call it that). He’s smart enough to watch his step, depending on who it is that he’s attacking, since like any other sociopath, he generally needs to keep at least one or two neophytes on his ‘side’. That is until he starts in on them as well. One is far more likely to be attacked if they challenge his bullshit.

It’s too easy to suggest that one simply not respond to him, because there aren’t many people who *won’t* respond when they’ve been directly attacked. But because he’s so slick with it, (or tries to be) it probably isn’t helpful to just report him, because then it seems like a ‘personal’ thing being two individual posters, instead of *him* attacking everyone. On the surface, (and taken out of context with the series) his *individual* posts don’t seem to overwhelming breach the rules of common decency, which is how he gets away with it. I’ve come to the conclusion that he’s a paid troll, who manages, (like any other criminal) to stay just beyond reach of any real consequences of his own behavior.
At least for now.

Ignore him as best you can. When that isn’t possible, expose him to others for what he is. (not that he doesn’t do a good enough job in that himself).

Just don’t think that he’s singling you out. That isn’t the case at all. It applies to anyone who’s credibility he would like to destroy. I find many of his posts very revealing, such as when he asks you what *your* purpose in writing is.

That’s because *he* definitely has an agenda, and so assumes that all others have the same agenda.

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By skmacksk, August 28, 2008 at 8:12 am Link to this comment

Dear Observer,
Please comment often,your are a welcome new voice!!!
It looks like it will take some time to go through what looks like some thoughtful and well written posts.This is why I come to this site Observer, to read and learn,from people who I need not agree with,but who offer another perspective, in well written thoughtful comment.Thanks to one and all!!!
Best regards to all,

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By Smad Agha, August 27, 2008 at 11:11 pm Link to this comment
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“Iran’s nuclear program is unchecked”!!
Are you aware that this statement is totally false? A hyper power run amok and the Scheer fiddle.

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By Ed Harges, August 27, 2008 at 9:15 pm Link to this comment

re: By Folktruther, August 27 at 8:02 pm:

I know, you’re right. I was just feeling weird about how he was singling me out for this treatment. There are a number of posters here who take much the same point of view as myself, but I’m the only one whom Rus-numbers badgers so insistently for an answer as to why I “hate America.”

And I agree, his nonsense smacks of bad faith, unlike the sincere Holocaust denier crackpot you mention. Rus has the smarmy smugness of some pampered pseudo-scholar comfortably nestled in a plush Republikudnik “think tank.” Unmistakable neocon pedigree.

Just my impression. Or maybe he sells cars.

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By Ed Harges, August 27, 2008 at 9:03 pm Link to this comment

re: By Rus7355, August 27 at 5:03 pm:

Rus writes:

“I’m not interested in your attacks against me for asking these questions.”

Rus, I’m not interested in you or your attacks against me. And I don’t think your question is interesting or valid or respectable or even in good faith.  I owe you nothing. I don’t respect you. So that’s that.

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By Folktruther, August 27, 2008 at 9:02 pm Link to this comment

Ed, get a hold of yourself.  You are quite right, Rus numbers is not worth answering so why do you answer him? I don’t know where he is coming from because I stop reading him after the first bit of drivel. Anarcisisie answers him in the same way, as if he is looking for real truth.

Rus one time proposed that the Soviet Union was not capable of driving the German advance into Russia back in WW2, that they were outmanuvered by the Nazis.  So Anarcisie went through the war on the Eastern front: Stalingrad, the tank battle at Kursh, etc.

This is crazy.  When people spout looniness with a bad intent, who simply deny WW2,  there is nothing to do but walk away.  You have to understand that the US power system puts all types of informers and infiltraters and the like in progressive organizations.  I don’t know whether Rus numbers is one or not or just a wantabe.  And I don’t care.

Rus is differnt from Saggy who was an anti-Semite and absolute, genuinely sure that the Holocaust did not occur.  I’ve met people like him in the grip of an obsession and I have a soft spot for them, because in certain ways they are obsessed in the way I am.  Rus numbers isn’t like that.

The major enemy of the American people is the neocon American power sysstem.  It is the main power enemy of the people of the whole world.  IT has led the US into barbarism before we have developed civilization.  Rus numbers is part of that barbarism.  He is not the only part, God knows, or the most important part.  Don’t let yourself be sidetracked by gibberish.

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By 123456, August 27, 2008 at 8:46 pm Link to this comment

Whe are’t these Democrats pounding the
message that John McCain is insane?

Wjy aren’t there ads running 24/7 showing
McCains crazed statements about Iraq and
Iran and everything else?

Oh that’s right, it’s because the Democrats
are idiots who care more about keeping their
clean image than stopping a psycho from
taking over the White House.

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By samosamo, August 27, 2008 at 8:16 pm Link to this comment

Don’t mean to crowd too much in here but here is an interesting link to a post on msnbc. Makes me wonder why w is still fighting the actual constitutional mandate of congress. This should acutally be a post here on truthdig and maybe it will be, but it does need to be read and discussed and cussed.

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By samosamo, August 27, 2008 at 8:10 pm Link to this comment

By yellowbird2525, August 27 at 3:59 am

I believe Oswald was the lone assassin just from what I read in Vincent Bugliosi’s recent tome on the JFK assassination. I doubted oswalt acted alone but now believe otherwise. Bugliosi goes on to refute a conspiracy but that I believe is possible, as he was away from his wife as late as their moving to Dallas just before he shot kennedy. He had gone to mexico, and just as james earl ray claims he was prompted or met with a ‘raoul’ on the shooting of king, I see a very definite possibility of oswalt being prodded by the cia, the mafia, cubans or anyother ‘black ops’ types to do the job.

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By samosamo, August 27, 2008 at 8:09 pm Link to this comment

A lot of what I see commented here deals with what Orwell has in his book ‘1984’. Most importantly was the control of information the people were allowed to have. And we are devastatingly close to Orwell’s version and it can get worse.
Another part was the ‘perpetual’ war(s). But with the news the ‘prolas’(lower class) got in the book, one was never to know who was at war, but rocket bombs would occasionally fall and disrupt life for a while then continue; it sort of became expected and accepted.
Then there were the 3 countries/nations which the whole world was split which was Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia. Oceania included the UK and western europe. Sounds familiar doesn’t it?
And now I am reading Daniel Estulin’s book ‘The Bilderberg Group’ , the true story, or at least as revealing as Estulin and some others can make it, along with what can be known publicly about the Council of Foreign Relations(estb.1921) and the Trilateral Commission(estb 1973), Bilderberg Group(estb 1954 but the most elitist and powerful,perhaps). In other words, the shadow government or rulers. So far the only good thing is that they have not had it all their way in trying to create a world or global governing body and realizing some of their other plans but their main objective of control of the MSM by ownership has been obtained. Here in america it has been devastatingly effective in preventing the people from knowing, making people believe what these people want them to know and keeping for the most part these group’s activities and influence from being widely known. And a big part is that I would guess most people that have heard of ‘1984’ haven’t given it another thought because 1984 came and went and everyone was able to keep up their mostly empty lifestyles never even thinking that ‘1984’ was already creeping into their lives and that ‘1984’ did not necessarily have to become true in 1984 or a couple or 3 decades later.
It would not surprise me if less than 50% of the people did not or have not heard of the bilderberg group; CFR and TC have web sites supposedly sanitized to make them appear as ‘debators’ of world events and conditions. All 3 have in common the rule that no one member is to ever divulge what has been said and discussed in the meetings and who said it, to supposedly allow those people to speak their ideas of a ‘new world order’ which would in most likely hood create much turmoil in the masses if and when they heard and understood what a bunch of the ‘elites’ were doing in secret about the people’s fate economically, politically, religiously and ethically.
Orwell is fiction, but absolutely spot on for a good part, ‘The Bilderberg Group’ is freighteningly too real along with the CFR & TC. There does appear from all the footnotes to be as concise a reporting that can be had. But with what these groups are supposed to be doing in THEIR name for THEIR good, even if just half of what is reported is true, it looks to be a very very tough uphill battle to over come their ambitions and agendas. What the people are dealing with is the very few with the most money than anyone can conceive of having, most likely some trillionaires in their midsts.

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By Ed Harges, August 27, 2008 at 7:13 pm Link to this comment

To the posters here generally:

Can you please help me explain to Rus7355 that his vacuous and insulting rhetorical question to me, asking me why I hate “America”  (and presumably sunsets, puppies, and motherhood) is not worthy to be answered?

Might we not all ask in turn why Rus7355 has chosen to call his odious cocktail of arrogant preconceptions “America”, so that we who find it revolting “hate America”?

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By Marc Schlee, August 27, 2008 at 6:59 pm Link to this comment
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It’s almost as if the Bush administration was deliberately stirring up conflicts around the world to give war fever a goose just in time for the elections.

Isn’t it almost like that?



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By Observer, August 27, 2008 at 6:11 pm Link to this comment
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As a citizen of the Rest of the World, we are repeatedly told—mostly by the BBC, funnily enough—that the Presidency of the United States is the most powerful political position in the world. By simple extrapolation, that makes him/her, my leader & Commander in Chief also—and yet I have absolutely no input concerning the choice, whatsoever. As a Brit I am not suggesting that I be allowed to vote in US elections, but the whole process worries me greatly.
It pains me to say that I have little faith in the American public making the right choice, assuming that they are presented with a viable choice, in the first place. Do I REALLY need to cite George W Bush as an example?
I find it hard to believe that it was his personal initiative to invade Iraq. I believe that there was/is at least one, much more sinister and hawkish “Gordon Gecko” acting as a puppeteer. The invasion of Iraq, as we all know, was never about WMD, it was about making a lot of money for a select few. The fact that the late Saddam Hussein showed little “respect” for the US Presidency, didn’t help his position much, either. Why is it that the same indignation was not showered upon Mugabe of Zimbabwe? His regime is equally despotic, but wait, there’s little oil there!
Now, Barack Obama. I remember seeing him “launched” on the Oprah Winfrey Show, around about two years ago. It was immediately obvious, to me, that I was watching yet another puppeteer, in action. How else would an otherwise inexperienced, apprentice politician, be plucked from relative obscurity, to the position of challenging for the US (World?) Presidency?
What I found interesting, watching that show, was that he clearly had a rehearsed agenda, and would not allow himself to be side-tracked by awkward questions from the gaggle of doting (mostly white) females, who made up the audience. Every time he and Oprah exchanged mutual and adulatory compliments, the audience went into raptures of delight. Had he not been introduced as a US Senator, I would have thought him to be some sort of well-dressed Rapper, or something. The whole show was farcical, and a powerful emetic.
Often, an outsider is better placed to observe finer detail than those central to it. Many years ago, as a British Army officer, I had reasonably close liaisons with Soviet Army officers. At the time, I truly believed that they were the masters of propaganda. In retrospect, they were nothing of the sort. US Adminstrations beat them, hands down. Though a small amount of their propaganda is directed outside the US, by far the majority it is intended solely for domestic consumption.
As Archibald Cox once said, “I confess that I cannot understand how we can plot, lie, cheat and commit murder abroad and remain humane, honorable, trustworthy and trusted at home.”

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By jobart, August 27, 2008 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment
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This version of what is really going on there is…totally believable. And, as a convinced American, I can see what has “plainly” transpired there. Thank you for the link. It provide a “totally” new perspective. Namely, the truth. But do not forget the involvement of the US and its “puppet master”, ISRAEL, in all of this.
Are we, the super-powered US of A, not capable of providing military assistance/materiel/training to small countries anymore? What is our “ally”, Israel, doing there and being involved? huh???  Could it be involved in profitting on the “assistance”? Hmmm. Maybe?? 
The thoughts that this commentary evoked in me was, basically, “yeah, so they’re no better, or worse, than us” in dealing with problem areas under their “areas of interest”? Face it, as long as domination and subjugation of the “little guys” and the greed/policy to totally control the “masses” is the aim…you will find both of these entities to be (more or less) in line with each other.  The bottom line, for both sides (if they are “indeed” on different sides)and the common thread is to control everything. If we-US/they-Russia decide that a “heating up” of the past will help them to progress towards total control of the masses, they will proceed down that path to the detriment of society. Sorry for the pessimism but tonight, and upon reading this article, depressed me.

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By Folktruther, August 27, 2008 at 3:42 pm Link to this comment

Pretty good analysis, Big B.  Bourgeois Democracy is not possible as class inequality increases historically.  Increased violence is necessary to maintain the class divisions. 

In the US the liberal institutions remain squeezed of all their people power, as a fake covering for a plutocratic ruling class and their professional-managerial supporters. 

This creats the power structure that is driving the US into the ground.  The people’s attention is distracted by the wars abroad to rally people around the power system.

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By Ed Harges, August 27, 2008 at 2:26 pm Link to this comment

Just to show you how insane McCain’s foreign policy advisors are, let’s take a look at one of the most important: Michael Rubin (from the American [sic] Enterprise Institute).

Rubin is so obsessed with getting us to go to war against Iran that he actually lambastes the warmongering Zionist fanatic Joe Biden as “Tehran’s favorite senator”:

The next month, the Senate considered a bipartisan amendment to designate the Revolutionary Guard Corps as a terrorist organization…. Biden was one of only 22 senators to vote against it. “I voted against the amendment to designate Iran’s Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization because I don’t trust this administration,” he said…. Biden’s political games have made him Tehran’s favorite senator.”

[Thanks to Glenn Greenwald for directing attention to this piece.]

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By Big B, August 27, 2008 at 2:19 pm Link to this comment

I hate to wax philosophic about the true nature of our version of democracy, but I will try.
Democracy by itself should work well.(although it has never worked for long because of complacency and corruption) Our problem is that we have combined unchecked capitalism with our democracy, so the logical conclusion of this merger is begining to come to fruition. Totalitarianism. We all know that the best way to be heard in our government is to amplify your voice with money. Big businesses and wealthy PAC’s have begun to control the agenda in our state houses as well as the congress and senate.
Only wealthy and “connected” candidates can run a successful national or statewide campaign. The voices of the people are being silenced. In the marketplace, the big eat the little, eliminating competition and creating monopolies or “trusts”(remember history class) Those large companys eventually purchase influence in government, bypassing the citizenry.
We are in the middle of that downward spiral now. Short of a second American revolution, I don’t see any immediate change coming.

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By ocjim, August 27, 2008 at 1:19 pm Link to this comment

Why do we have to fight so hard to maintain something resembling a democracy?

It seems that the media is against us. The Republicans are against us and the Democrats are being negatively impacted by successes of neocons, lobbyists and the corporate media: the power-grabbing and the torturing and the lack of accountability success of BushCo.

We have made our wishes known and patently ignored.

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By mark mier, August 27, 2008 at 1:13 pm Link to this comment
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just because the U.S. have been bullies… does not make putin & cronies somthing to turn a blind eye to. the details of who began the assault are vague at best & most in-depth reporting indicates russia. see link
no doubt bush has desolved abm treaty, invaded other nations, attempted coup’s, presumably to secure petrolium (iraq, venezuela)... but lets not give up honest critiquing of horrific behavior by nations, wether U.S., Russia, China etc… Bob scheer should strive for more truthful reporting when posting info, we expect you to be better.
we are beginning a cold war for depleting resources, and the dialog should be about how best to prevent nuclear armed nations from coming to blows over this grand quest for resources around the globe. critique russia’s invasion just like we critique bush’s horriffic foriegn adventures!

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By Big B, August 27, 2008 at 1:06 pm Link to this comment

It seems that “1984” is on McCain’s reading list. Let’s hope “Heart of Darkness” and “left behind” aren’t on there too.
Who would have thought that he could read?

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By anne mous, August 27, 2008 at 12:27 pm Link to this comment
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as long as the WEALTHY who own & operate the political system in this country can keep the citizens of the USA divided: into abortion or not; rep or dem; they will NEVER know the reality that they are being deluded & every single country on the EARTH knows the truth but THEM: ex: Oregon sets a law: citizens have to show birth certs to “prove” not illegal; in REALITY: Ore Legislators said in town hall meeting 1/28 & 1/29 this year: any & all undocumenteds coming into the country will be given drivers licenses just like they gave millions of illegals them; including money, cars, trucks, no interest pay back as you can loans, etc; YOU were told no $ for health care; THEY were given $3,000 no interest pay back when can no calls; Fed Reserve Board STATED the interest rates & addl fees not to mention the programmed calls & given illegals political preference with GOV themselves in on all of this folks: job preferences; THEY started the “all military personnel are mental cases” Corps won’t hire cuz they are mental cases; coming back from war instead of getting disability payments they are called 5 & 6 times a day every single day demanding payment: for funds they cannot repay cuz they are disabled; doesn’t matter; THEY need the money (they claim); it is TORTURE; condoned by citizens of the USA cuz they will NOT stop arguing long enough to SEE what is going on; the problem is NOT the immigrants: it is the WAR against the citizens of the USA by the WEALTHY: condoned by our “politicians”; WATER is NOT a human right but a human need; prepare for war, folks; SS #s are ready; they are going to take any & all of YOUR $ cuz YOU are the terrorists; THAT is why the towers fell; better still; keep arguing;; Lou Dobb’s book War on the American dream (might as well be citizens cuz THAT is what it is); Warren Buffet the WEALTHY are fighting the citizens;

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By Chris Horton, August 27, 2008 at 12:12 pm Link to this comment

Scheer is right on the money in pointing out that if the focus of the election can be shifted to war and terror, McCain wins.  As other posters have pointed out, he fails to mention that Obama, for whatever reason, looks increasingly like a willing volunteer for stepping into that trap!  The most recent piece of evidence for this was his selection of Biden.

We should be demanding of Obama that he return to the line of resisting pressure to start or support new wars, in Georgia, Pakistan, Afghanistan or anywhere, and that he speak out forcefully against Administration attempts to stir up a crisis!  Stop trying to play Mr. Tough Guy!  You can’t win by trying to out-McCain McCain!

This is critical.  If Obama stays on his present course he (we) will lose, with dire consequences for us all!

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By Folktruther, August 27, 2008 at 11:59 am Link to this comment

That would be the best thing that could happen, Omop, that Europe essentially exclude the US from Nato.  Even if, unfortunately, Canada is dragged into the US-Israel orbit.  US militarism under the neocon leadership of both parties would tend to be checked if there was the poissiblity of European opposiiton, or even neutratility.  It is to the interests of the US population to neuter US military alliances.  Pfaff advocates the same thing.

Let me say, also, that your agreement with my previous remarks illustrates your fine intellectual judgement.

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By omop, August 27, 2008 at 11:47 am Link to this comment

Must admit that Folktruther’s comments are pertinent and to the point.

Several European web sites have inferred that regardless of an Obama or McCain Presidency that already there is talk of France and Germany leaning towards the Russian orbit.

A commentary by a Canadian on the web concludes that with the demise of NATO the two left together are the US and Israel and he is troubled to conclude that Canada will be dragged in.

Basically then the everything that supposedly changed on 9/11 was radically changed again on 08.08.08. in Georgia.

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By Purple Girl, August 27, 2008 at 11:46 am Link to this comment

to your own political funeral Pyre.
Of course Johnny has proven he loves to over do a good thing, “War hero”, “marverick”
Let’s count now Johnny boy has been beating this drum through afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, N.Korea, now Russia..would he like to run up and kick the Chinese PM in the Balls just to makeit even more interesting..Oh thats right, that’s what they have been doing trying to invade these countries in the M.E. who also do business with the Russians & Chinese- hellova National Security stratedgy ya all have going!
If Mac’s gaffes and brazen flaunting of Phil & lindsay et al is not his way of throwing the election, his political days are over!
Hell his and his cohort Pal Hillary can take the families and go on a LONG vacation to a country far far away!
What do the New Orleans folks call it ‘The Funeral Dredge’...Mac’s leadig his own procession.

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By felicity, August 27, 2008 at 11:33 am Link to this comment

Pointless conjecture perhaps but McCain and Bush have a key similarity in their backgrounds - both had singularly successful fathers who spent very little time at home.

Interestingly, both young men did major negative acting out.  Any ‘success’ either eventually achieved was due to who their fathers were, not anything either had achieved on his own merit.

Bush got his ‘war’ by starting one.  If elected, will McCain also get his ‘war’ by starting one?

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By john doraemi, August 27, 2008 at 11:18 am Link to this comment
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“Iran’s nuclear program is unchecked”

Why are you throwing around cassus belli without any qualification, any connection to reality?

Iran’s “nuclear program”, which is not the same as a “nuclear weapons program” has been investigated by IAEA for years and they found NOTHING.  THAT’S NOTHING!  The “program” was for nuclear power production, a perfectly legal activity that is guaranteed them in the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. 

Even the US intelligence agencies found NOTHING!  NOTHING AT ALL!  In their National Intelligence Estimate, they reported that Iran was not pursuing nuclear arms.

That’s hardly “unchecked.”  What is the purpose of this inflammatory language?  Do you WANT to start a third world war over neocon / Israeli lies?

I thought this site was more open to reality than your standard official dictation site.

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By Ron Ranft, August 27, 2008 at 10:55 am Link to this comment
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We won the Cold War because Russia went bankrupt before the US did, But instead of consolidating and strengthening the country by investing the money in the infastructure, education, jobs, healthcare, and environment, the traitorous scum in Washington kept reinvesting it in more invasions and shiny war toys as if the Cold War had never ended. So we now find ourselves where Russia used to be while Russia has slowly gathered strength all the while watching the US blinder on down the path to ruin.
Yesterday while driving along the coast highway north of Ventura I pulled over to take a picture of some flowering vines. Within moments a Highway Patrolman with flashing lights pulled over and threatened to ticket me and have my van towed away because I while I was well off the roadway, there were dozens of no parking signs. I drove along watching 3 highway patrolmen ticketing cars that were aprked while the owners were somewhere on the beach. There was absolutely no reason for the signs except the rich don’t want people on “their” beach and it does bring in more money to the county.

The reason I bring this up is because the old Russian would recognize what is happening here. The rich have won the war on the classes and the poor and middle class lost. All that remains is them taking away what little we have left and driving us into slavery whilst they spend our money on more wars and protecting Israel which itself has become a vile and evil country because of the unconditional support the US’s money and power gives it.

Mr. Scheer seems to always turn a blind eye to the evil committed by Israel while decrying the surrounding countrys efforts to protect themselves from a country whose history begins with terrorist acts.

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By Eric L. Prentis, August 27, 2008 at 10:49 am Link to this comment
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Sen. McCain is a scary old man who surrounds himself with the most diehard warmongering neo-cons, foolishly thinks he knows something about foreign policy and sees everything through the prism of war because the military is the only thing he knows about. Being a prisoner and sitting in a cell does not prepare anyone to be president of the United States, the US should wakeup to this fact.

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By Folktruther, August 27, 2008 at 10:21 am Link to this comment

Scheer displays here the typical response of mainstream pseudo-progressives; attacking the militarism of the Gops while remaining silent on the militarism of the Dems.

Biden is a Zionist warmonger who is currently pushing a bill that gives a billion military dollars to the loony Georgian president that attacked Russia. He was largely responsible for the dismemberment of Yugoslavia, which he considers his proudest momement, and wants to dismember Iraq as well.  He is in favor of humanitarian invasion of Sudan to steal the humanitarian oil in Dafur.

In short, like McCain, he wants to conflate the bogus War on Terrorism against Muslims with the New Cold War against Russia.

In the next eight years the most dangerous event facing the world is the replacing the US polity as the world’s leading power with China. This is a progressive move for the people of the earth, China containing or bordering over half of the world’s people, sixty percent of whom live in Asia.  They have a better form of capitalism with which the US cannot economically compete.  So the US is using war to maintain its world power.

Power changes of this magnitude usually lead to war, as did the rise of Germany and Japan leading to WW2.
Neocons have captured the leadership of BOTH parties and both are on a trajectory to war. 

The US population must not be sucked into the conflict between the political theater of Dem vs Gop. It is necessary to oppose the neocon leadership of BOTH parties.  The political direction of political struggle must be transformed from Dem vs Gop to the American population vs the American power system.  That is now the major enemy of the American people.

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By WARIS SHERE, August 27, 2008 at 10:12 am Link to this comment
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America’s foreign policy is bound to change under the next president, but confusion over Iraq,
worries about overstretch and divisions over the country’s role in the world will remain, says
Adrian Wooldridge.  A Democratic president will have to weigh huge domestic pressures to bring the troops
home against the danger of creating regional chaos in Iraq, says the conomist. John McCain has a tendency to attack a key foreign policy stance of Sen. Barack Obama , contending that talking to dictators without preconditions can be dangerous and counterproductive. Obama’s argument that United
States “should never fear to negotiate” with America’s enemies. Barack Obama has argued all along that the U.S. must “rediscover the power of diplomacy,” declaring that “strong presidents and strong countries ...  Madhavi Bhasin writes with great insight in an IC Guest Editorial: ” Detailed analysis reveals that the foreign policprinciples of John McCain and Barak Obama cut across party lines to represent the American dream to be a world leader. Political realism rather than party ideology appears to be guiding the foreign policy campaigns of the two presidential candidates”. In his Address at the Hoover Institution on American Foreign Policy in May 2007, John McCain repeatedly referred to ‘America as a nation endowed with a purpose’. He emphasized the apparent U.S. mission of fighting the
terrorist networks and emerging autocracies around the globe. While cautioning the audience
with regard to the policies of China and Russia, Senator McCain strongly criticized Iran and
North Korea as countries threatening a peaceful order of democratic nations. Partnership based on the element of democratic solidarity is McCain’s mechanism of shifting the burden of American foreign
policy adventures onto other democratic nations. He seeks to further refine the strategies of
George W. Bush by institutionalizing such a partnership so that other member states come to
shoulder an automatic obligation for the decisions taken by the U.S. Any challenge to the
prospective U.S. policies and operations is countered by disqualifying China and Russia from
such a grouping. His expectation that the new alliance would act where the U.N. has failed
clearly demonstrates his design to insulate the U.S. policies from the control and scrutiny of
the world body”. The foreign policy advisers of Barack Obama happen to be pioneers and supporters of the concept of ‘Concert of Democracies” fashioned on lines similar to McCain’s League of Democracies. Ivo Daalder and Anthony Lake, Obama’s advisers of
foreign policy, have favored the creation of an Anglo-American Democratic Alliance to meet
emerging challenges. Ivo Daalder has co-authored an article, “Democracies of World Unite”
published in American Interest, where he emphasizes the value of institution based
multilateralism instead of the ad hoc problem oriented multilateralism of the Bush
Administration. In his view a Concert that brings established democracies together into a
single institution would be best suited for countering the new global challenges. In an article in the July/August 2007 edition of Foreign Affairs, Barak Obama writes that America cannot meet this century’s challenges alone; and the world cannot meet them without America; an indirect reference to the continuation of global crusade under American

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By lodipete, August 27, 2008 at 10:00 am Link to this comment

I believe that the first thing a President McCain would do is to restore the draft. I would suggest that any honest reporter who doesn’t work for Rupert Murdoch ask McCain HOW he plans to be at war in so many places at the same time BEFORE the election. If not a reporter, than Obama or Biden and hopefully BEFORE China decides to reclaim Taiwan.

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By RWallace, August 27, 2008 at 9:51 am Link to this comment
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I applaud G Anderson.  I am a 6th generation Californian and I am disgusted with the government.  The problem is that I am disgusted with state and federal government.

I have decided that I cannot, in good concience, give them any more money.  I will not be paying taxes again to this country.  I cannot give any more to the few that continue to soak it up for there personal riches.  It is not that I wish to avade taxes, but simply would rather give it to another country that doesn’t seem so openly corrupt.

I sincerely hope that more than a few decide on this course of action and tell this band of criminals to f*&k;off.

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By richard, August 27, 2008 at 9:12 am Link to this comment
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3000+  who did it?

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By Cran Berry, August 27, 2008 at 8:54 am Link to this comment

Oh, goody. Another chance via the republicans to fill my coffers with the spoils of war. I know where my vote’s going.

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By Ed Harges, August 27, 2008 at 8:53 am Link to this comment

Glenn Greenwald has a great essay about McCain’s foreign policy militarism:

The foreign policy team exerting chief influence over John McCain is truly more extremist—in a purer and more deranged form—than the foreign policy team of the Bush administration. They’re not only the most extremist faction in American political life, but also the most delusional.

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By AT, August 27, 2008 at 8:41 am Link to this comment
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Dick Chaney is heading to Georgia soon. That must be very important for him to get out of his cocoon and see the light of day. Is it a setup to help McCain maintain a perpetual state of war to win the election? Yes it is.And McCain is a shoo-in to win the election with Karl Rove ‘s help. He said so in The Wall Street Journal at the behest of Mr Murdoch last Thursday.and what happened to our national debt? It’s only money.

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By bc41, August 27, 2008 at 8:19 am Link to this comment

I applaud Mr. Scheer’s opinion that there are two sides to this Georgian situation, if only the U.S. wasn’t so self congratulatory on virtue—institutionalized by republicans.  I don’t think Georgians can commit atrocities inside it’s border and be immune from outside actions just because it is democratic or similar.  Like domestic abuse, a home has limited border rights also.  Glad to hear somebody speaking against this mistaken groundswell of ani-russian sentiment.

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By G.Anderson, August 27, 2008 at 8:06 am Link to this comment

America has become a very weak country. As Mr. Scheer points out in this piece, this has happened because of politicians like McCain, due to their deregulation mania.

Our military is over extended, burned out and used, we cannot afford anymore wars, and we cannot afford the wars we have now.

There have been many times in history when a country has won wars against their emeny, only to fall because of the economic price they paid.

You cannot sell your economic infrastructure off to the highest bidder at the same time your waging war, this is a prescripton for economic collapse. A collapse that is underway now.

If this keeps up, in our future we will begin to see some of our largest states trying to secede from the Union. 

For example, many of California’s problems exist because of a collapsing and degregulated federal government. If we were our own country then we would be one of the Largest most wealthy in the world. Why should our citizens pay taxes to a federal government that is spending us into oblivion but refuses to address our problems because a small group of privledged people benefit? 

Why should our national guard be used by the federal government when they belong here at home?

There is little difference between secession, and what we’ve got now. Selling off California to foreign governments overseas, letting our jobs go abroad, importing thousands of workers on technical visa’s.

Ulitmately the only difference would be who are the owners.

More war for America will bury this country, even if we win every battle and every new war.

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By Jaded Prole, August 27, 2008 at 8:03 am Link to this comment

All the Repugs have is fear and all they offer is war and destruction. It is that which the dems have to make clear and off real alternatives to: War or Peace, Environmental Sanity or Extinction.

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By omop, August 27, 2008 at 6:22 am Link to this comment

Its easy and duplicitous for McCain to criticise Obama’s socalled mis understanding of America;s role in the world. He and primarely his party are the ones responsible for the disasters that the US is presently living through. And thats a fact.

If Americans are gullible enough to think that McCain and his foreign paid lobbyists and their enamorement with Israel and Georgia is high on the voters mind then he is one step away from following Margaret Thatcher into dementia.

He and the chickenhawck-neocons have almost managed to bring the USA down to the level of a banana republic. Sending his wife on a socalled humanitarian cover-up operation to Georgia is indicative of comic book politicking. An apt portrayal of a comic book character’s attempts to qualify for the White House.

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By Ed Harges, August 27, 2008 at 6:20 am Link to this comment

McCain suffers from a deeply sick romantic fetish for military violence.

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By Big B, August 27, 2008 at 5:32 am Link to this comment

Well, it’s come down to this. Barry’s last best chance at victory is now the debates. He will need to open the first debate with the comment “John McCain is dirty, warmongering son of bitch! He will take us to war in Iran, Pakistan, and the southern stepa of Russia. He will find jobs for all those american kids out there who either cannot afford college, or are too dumb to finish high school. Cannon fodder. There should be but one war, and it should be constant, will become the national mantra of Oceana (sorry) I mean the US.
Dimmocrat operatives should be going around the country in the next 2 months drawing little Hitler mustaches on every McCain poster.
Dimmos need to portray McCain as the leader that will lead us into the same financial ruin that collapsed the Soviet Union. Too many guns, not enough butter.
It’s time that dimmos paint this guy as the insane Goldwater wannabe that he is.
And then call him a dirty pig fucker.
I realize all this is “old school” Liberal idealism, but the dimmocrat elite need to be asked why, When the repugs have gone back to old school cold war scare tactics, do they not return to 1960’s ideals that won them 1960 and 1964, and would have won them 1968(if of course Bobby had lived until election day)
A bigger cultural question must be asked of all americans at this time. Why do so many of us still support warmongering conservatives(on both sides of the isle) when all evidence suggests that their policys are leading us to disaster?

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By yellowbird2525, August 27, 2008 at 5:32 am Link to this comment

BTW, the TRUTH of the matter is quite simply this: God was going to have America destroyed 59 years ago; His people fasted, prayed, interceeded; He reluctantly agreed and said it will get bad. He stated that He had seen the babies born, their dreams and the dreary lives they lived because they were so oppressed and this was NOT the reason He had led them to this land. The people involved all repented both to God and to His people: for thinking that it would be better for their children & grandkids to NOT have the USA destroyed. Contrary to John Hagee’s thinking & speaking the killing of the Jews was NOT God’s will; ANYONE reading the Word would KNOW this to be so; NOR is it His will to bomb Iran! Folks: THE FIRST CARS did NOT run by oil; there were ALWAYS greener alternatives; BECAUSE the SAME folks who ran the plantations in the South the WEALTHY bought & paid for politicians in THIS country years ago: this country has been run for THEIR profits only; never ever ever for the people. Some laws may have been put on “the books” for LOOKS: never to be enforced; bill moyers journal capitol crimes; will tell you HOW this nation is run & HOW the people who are decent & innocent have been duped; Ecc says to everything there is a season; God gave you a brain: He would like to see you engage it!

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By yellowbird2525, August 27, 2008 at 5:23 am Link to this comment

Raising your own food causes more pollution so can’t do that; have to eat your Agent Orange genetically prepared poison like you have been eating folks: every other country has BANNED or made them be labeled; but OUR country took top Nazi’s to learn from them: florine in water: floride in water; WHY is it still here when banned in most every other country in the world? tells your veggies are now being radiated just like your meat is; ever hear of NAIS?; worldwide forcing farmers to put chips in animals & then “failing” to pay them for it; forcing them out of business; electricity has been overbilled for years; went up to “pay” for election campaigns; didn’t think they were going to use THEIR money & not get reimbursed did you? also tells of a British detainee: who was tortured with razors; this & worse; all on tape & documented folks: the whole world knows who & what the USA is & what they do: except for part of the folks living here. They are a rogue, out of control nation, with nukes, bribing heads of states saying put it in off shore accounts; you can do whatever you want & NEVER HAVE TO BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE for it; we have for years; the Americans have done NOTHING. You are even being shown FALSE PICTURES and information re Isreal; by the time Americans figure out what is going on it will be to late. Watching Kuchin whatever: was very rousing: so was Hitler’s speeches to the masses; they are following hard in his footsteps for world dominion with the big Corps in bed with them. WAKE UP AMERICANS!

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By yellowbird2525, August 27, 2008 at 5:12 am Link to this comment

the BIG CHANGES coming folks: are these: claiming the LAND and the WATER belong to THEM; it flows to the “rebuilding” and “renewing” of America; from the Feds; to the Gov’s; to the countys; to the cities; here in Oregon watching as they delete old laws, add new ones, add new ones BACKDATING them; and then, of course, following close on the Bible: the millions of folks MISSING in this “housing” crisis; just “walking” away from their homes leaving family Bibles, pictures, all clothing & furniture, & pets: like they went to dinner & didn’t come back 90% in just 1 community alone: it is NOT the rapture folks; heading fast on it’s heels is the report I just got from advising me that they are NOW going to take all money from folks: claiming falsely that THEY are the righteous; WE are the wicked; WE deserve to be numbered (Fed Id #s are same as SS#s folks); and deserve to be killed as we are the scourge of the earth. Brilliant no?

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By yellowbird2525, August 27, 2008 at 5:07 am Link to this comment

There were no WMD, no links with Al quida found after exhaustive search (again you can check on; the towers did NOT go down due to the planes hitting them; nor did Saddam Hussain have a thing to do with them; the Arabs call us devils: and there is a good reason for this: the devil is a DECEIVER. Bush claimed god told him to attack Iraq; when in reality Clinton (who was also wanted for war crimes) in 1996 Congress & Pentagon had already planned on taking out Hussain; the Iraqi’s at 1st glad to see us: soon found out to their dismay that we were thousands of times WORSE than Hussan; DICTATORSHIP, they said; the graft corruption killings etc ALL far worse than under Hussain; Bush said: oh, we prefer to be known as dysfunctional; and had their publisher issue a book escape from Mayham & brought over the Pope; claiming wrongfully that the “horrid” citizens of the USA had wrongfully oppressed the Indians & others for years; see for story on Indians & oil; yep, the GREAT LEADERS of this country told them they were to stupid (sound familiar folks???) to handle the money from the oil fields so they would do it for them; still have YET to receive a cent; (the Indians folks); they have kept for themselves billions if not trillions of dollars;

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By yellowbird2525, August 27, 2008 at 4:59 am Link to this comment Dick Morris book You cannot be President: clearly states this is a 1 party system (DICTATORSHIP) that interestingly enough he says goes back 50 or 60 years; remember JFK was NOT electorial voted in; but by the PEOPLE: and when he stated that he was going to clean up the graft & corruption on Capitol Hill starting with the Pentagon overspending he was assassinated; the FBI was told to say that they could forensically prove the bullet that killed him came from the box of bullets Oswald had; 2006 the FBI told that it was NOT possible to do so; gave them a list of 100 names or so & said those folks had to be released or retried as the forensics re bullets was NOT correct; what a tangled web they weave when they practice to deceive; it’s unraveling folks; & faster & faster & faster. If you believe this is a democracy then you obviously believe in Santa Claus is the way he states it.

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