Bboy57 wrote:

SkeeterVT-

What you believe don’t make it so.

And tell it to a good friend of mine who became the proud grandpa of a 1 lb. 6 oz. Preemie baby boy born after the 5th month and now a happy 20 lbs. at 9 months old!

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Bboy57:

Okay, so I stand corrected. Please send your friend my congratulations.

—SkeeterVT

re: Ed Harges
This is ridiculous. Conception begins with a fertilized egg.If you want to play that game about “every sperm is useful, every sperm is great, if a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate” as Monty Python so aptly put it, be my guest. What a woman wants to do or not do with something inside her body, is her business not mine. I thought we are living in the 21st century. So it proves exactly what I stated, the people who scream about abortion do not believe in contraceptives either, including the emergency contraceptive of the morning-after pill. Whether it is the Pope, Mother Theresa or Pat Robertson, they all want to deny a woman’s freedom.

SkeeterVT-

What you believe don’t make it so.

And tell it to a good friend of mine who became the proud grandpa of a 1 lb. 6 oz. Preemie baby boy born after the 5th month and now a happy 20 lbs. at 9 months old!

Too late to edit, my comment to Inherit the Wind earlier today: erroneous about the patient whose button, worn on more than one occasion, said ‘Pro-Choice’, and likely came from the family planning clinic where she obtained low-cost or free abortions. I think that being called a Catholic must have rattled me more than I thought, or I would not have made such an eggregious mistake. (In fairness this was at least 15 years ago and it may be more difficult to get abortions covered by public clinics now, and as I said, I do not characterize other Freedom of Choice advocates as this extreme). On the other hand I was not calling the other poster a Catholic or a supporter of their policies.

re: Purple Girl, August 27 at 11:10 am

“If you are jumping up and down about one dividing cell, but not doing the same about the planet and all the life it contains…You’ve missed the point.”

• ->  well said !!

To beerdoctor:

More on the morning-after pill:

(First, I must stress, that I favor unlimited abortion rights. Women must have the legal right to terminate their pregnancies, period.)

The source you direct me to says that the morning-after pill is not an abortion pill, because “The abortion pill terminates an established pregnancy — one in which the fertilized egg has attached to the uterine wall and has already begun to develop.”

But beerdoctor, even BEFORE the fertilized egg is attached, it is (in these people’s minds) a human being. It doesn’t matter if it’s a “pregnancy” yet, to them.

So this doesn’t get you off the hook, because the position of the “life-begins-at-conception” crowd is that as SOON as the egg is fertilized (i.e., conception), it’s a human being - even BEFORE the embryo has attached to the uterine wall.

The morning-after pill can prevent the attachment of the embryo, indirectly resulting in its destruction, and that is “murder” according to these people’s beliefs (which, I stress, I do NOT share).

re: By thebeerdoctor, August 27 at 8:59 am:

I know that the morning-after pill’s main function is not abortive, but rather to prevent ovulation or fertilization. However, I believe that I have read that it does sometimes cause the destruction of an already-fertilized embryo, by preventing implantation. Is that not correct?

ITW: Let’s take your points one at a time: to build the argument for nearly a million annual abortions, profiting one corporation alone more than $1 billion on one tragic genetic anomaly that would likely result in a stillbirth makes little sense. The less than 5% of induced therapeutic abortions because of incompatability with extrauterine life aren’t a problem with me, my wife and I had tragic personal experiences in this area that are none of your business. Read my blog again.
Where in the hell am I saying that a woman is either a ‘breeding hothouse for babies’ or a ‘slave…for the needs of men.’ Quite to the contrary. I feel, and feel strongly, that BOTH a man and woman have responsibility for their physical union and the preparation to avoid unwanted pregnancies. And, if they don’t have enough responsibility to go to a drug store and get the pill or a condom, they should find another way of satisfying their desires that doesn’t put a strain on the health care system or expose the woman to the danger (even in a best case scenario) of an infection, hemorrhage, or worse.
Your tandem argument linking me to the Pro-Life movement and the Catholic (?) church confuses me, but I knew that putting myself in the pro-life liberal column would expose me to this kind of crap. I completely oppose that church’s stand on birth control, and feel their handling of the hundreds of molestation cases in the US was a disgrace and an insult to our intelligence. But I guess, in the view of the Pro-Choice absolutists, if you utter a single sentiment that says that using abortion as a substitute for a condom, you are a Catholic. I had a patient once who had 11 abortions (all over the country, but most in California), and five children, by her mid 30s and was on AFDC (Welfare), never married, and a substance abuser. She wore a Pro-Life button to her appointments. I don’t characterize all Pro-Choice people as being like her.

this debate is such Bullshit.
there is no one advocating abortion. if “pro choicers” think there is ,they are drinking the same koolaid the ‘Pro Lifers’ are.
Heads up folks you have to reconize how this gutteral reaction issue ahs been used to intentionally Divide the nation while Corps conquer it.
Corps love the “Pro birthers”- increase population, and pays off with higher labor supply thus lower wages.also great for keeping women out of the work place and ending middleclassers getting ahead with a 2 person income. G.O.D. Inc Loves ya!
they love the militant “Pro Irrepsonsilbity’ group too- how else could they ignite the Deluded faithful?
there is no such thing as a Pro Abortionist.
Easy solution- offer preventive birth control, and age appropriate education.If the parents won’t, society should. Otherwise we’ll be paying for them & theirs Too in the future.
If this preacher wanted to end this staged issue, he would have said We must guarantee every child conceived will be wanted; every child born will have all it’s basic needs meet throughout it’s life.Otherwise it is our duty as Stewards (top species on the planet) Not to conceive a child.And use responsible birthcontrol methods until we are able to fulfil that promise and Duty!
In this day and age of various forms of birth control, there is no reason pregnancies can’t be avoided- day after pill alone would end abortions if readily available.
Yes God wants you to honor life, but that means
All of life is to be honored. Not just an individual existence, but the entire Group which encompasses All Life. If you are jumping up and down about one dividing cell, but not doing the same about the planet and all the life it contains…You’ve missed the point.

When asked by Pastor Rick when life begins, Obama could have responded thus: “Occassionally people are prosecuted for accidently or intentionally causing the death of an unborn child, (in an automobile accident or by kicking the woman’s stomach,) so the unborn have some human rights in the later stages of developement.  Granting human rights from the moment of conception would require autopsies of miscarriages, among other things.  Do you think the rights of the unborn trump the rights of the living?”

The best way to respond to impertint, rude, prying or stupid questions and statements is with a question.  My favorite is, “Why do you ask? (say that?)”

McCain’s answer is too simple, but is the only realistic alternative to no restrictions.  Offering exceptions for rape, incest or life/health of the mother are simply not practical.

An exception for rape would result in men being falsely accused by women desparate to end their pregnancy.  Even if they are found innocent, they still have legal expenses.  Prosecuting women for false accusations will make women afraid to use the exeption for fear of jail if the man is not convicted.

Determining the pregnancy resulted from incest would require a DNA test.  That would require obtaining a sample from the fetus, and delays while the test is run.  But is somewhat workable.

For the life/health of the mother puts doctors on the firing line.  Get sued if the woman suffers injury or death from the completed pregnancy, or prosecution if it is later determined that her life/health were not at risk.  And, doctors might feel that denying the abortion would drive the woman to an illegal provider or to try to do it herself, both of which carry serious risks to health/life.

Presented with this argument, a strong majority will be pro-choice.

If one is a “religious person,”  such as belonging to the Roman Catholic Church, as I am, we are taught that human life begins at conception. How this can be proved scientifically is the source of much debate.
This is one of the tenets of religion that has to be taken on faith and I for one am not sure that life does begin at conception and therefore have doubts as to the validity of the religious argument that abortion is a “sin,” and condemns one to hell.
The most illogical contradiction that I find abominable though is the rabid support of and the rabid support for expanding the death penalty.
If a person, is going to be pro-life, then logically that person should care about life in all its forms. There should be no disconnect between the birth and death of someone, whether a child-rapist or killer or the scientist who can find a cure for the most horrific diseases. Yet in speaking to those on the Right, you do find a horrendous disconnect between the value they place on human life. For the person, who commits horrific crimes is considered an animal, something not worthy of the protection of the unborn, yet the unborn once out of the womb, are no longer thought about in terms of being helped by the Far Right Wing of the Republican party.
No health care, no living wage, no protection from the ravages of a “free market, capitalistic society,” that only values what a person can contribute to the economy, if not rich then no voice in the political process.
As for the Religious Right’s supposedly “blblically,”  based support of the death penalty, how do they explain there lack of concern for the life the state is about to end by murder?  There is no logical connection between the Religious Right’s support of the death penalty and their support of capitalism, for the least get the most out of the economy, while the most get the least benefit even though they are the one’s working for the betterment of the least.
How dare someone claim to be pro-life, when there are many arguments that can be made for the opposition and still the Religious Right has the audacity to claim G-d, on their side.
Faith and its inherent arguments are subjects that have many faces and many sides, I for one, cannot discern all of the meanings that are included in the “will of G-d,” I can only say, without doubt, that there are many faces to the G-d of the universe and I as a finite person cannot know all of the infinite faces of the living G-d.

re: Ed Harges
Sorry Ed, you are wrong on this. The morning after pill is not an abortion pill.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/morning-after-pill/AN00592

Anyone who thinks that women don’t have the right to decide what’s best for themselves ethically and medically is either a religious zealot or simply afraid of women.

You need only examine the whole Terry Schiavo incident to see the danger of religious inspired government interference trying to enact new law regarding personal family issues. It’s all about control.

The ‘Pro-Life’ movement didn’t seem to have any problems when their ‘supporters’ were killing doctors who worked at women’s clinics. Another example of ‘killing for the Lord’. They claimed that they were ‘christian warriors for god’.

At the heart of the issue to me, is whether religious folk have the right to force their view on non believers. One can understand the pain and moral dilemma of the religious about abortion issues, but, their being religious does not make them right, nor give them extra constitutional powers.

‘They’ have also tried to install a ‘creation science’ agenda in public schools and don’t seem to understand the basic concepts of the separation of church and state. In a country where 76.5%  of Americans identify themselves as ‘Christian’,  ‘they’ still say they feel persecuted.

Republicans rant endlessly about small government and less interference in the daily lives of Americans…...... until you get to religion, then all bets are off.. it is the height of hypocrisy.

beerdoctor writes:

“The same people who rail against abortion, also rail against people having access to the morning-after pill.”

Beerdoctor: I favor unlimited abortion rights, but I think this particular criticism of yours is supposed to point out a logical contradiction, whereas there is none.

These people believe as a basic tenet that human life begins at conception.

The morning-after pill can and does kill a fertilized egg; therefore, according to the basic tenet, this IS an abortion. There is no internal logical contradiction between opposition to abortion and opposition to the morning-after pill.

A more legitimate example of logical contradiction is the support of many anti-abortion fanatics for the death penalty.

Why doesn’t a politician say: I don’t think anybody likes the idea of a person being in a position where they seek an abortion, but this does happen, for a variety of reasons. Ross Perot of all people, had it correct, when asked about the subject during his 1992 run for the presidency said: “When all the dust is settled, it is a woman’s choice.”
The same people who rail against abortion, also rail against people having access to the morning-after pill.

Thanks cyrena for your right-on post. I fear that much of the republican playbook is unconcerned with such moral questions. Their policy seems driven by two things: getting elected - hence the appeal to fundamentalist Christians who respond knee-jerk to clever advertising specialists who frame the election as an attack on their values; and - getting funding from big business with total de-regulation and contracting more and more government services for twice the cost. I think we are wasting our time debating ‘republican values’ as those are a figment of some advertiser’s imagination. What would be an effective counter-strategy? I don’t know. Must be above MY pay grade (-:

Most of the people posting here are seeing only the cloud, but not the obvious silver lining.

Yes, we still have religious leaders railing against abortion as “murder” and declaring the outlawing of abortion as a political objective, muddying the distinction between religion and state.

HOWEVER, we now see a major anti-abortion religious leader acknowledging that conservative policies — resulting in such massive and needless injustice, suffering, and death, both here and abroad — are WORSE than liberal support for abortion rights, and so this leader says that despite his belief that abortion is “murder”, he’s going to vote for the Democrats. This is very important:

Yet, he [Bishop Blake] said, he will support Sen. Barack Obama because the Democratic Party and its policies will best serve the nation “and the people of the world.” Republicans, he said, talk about “their loyalty to the unborn but they refuse to admit their responsibility to those who have been born.”

•  “Obama is dancing, too. When the Rev. Rick Warren asked him when life began, Obama said the answer is “above my pay grade.” The answer, sounding as though it had come from some smarmy campaign writer, isn’t good enough for this election, with its clash of cultural values and economic needs.”

UH…what a stupid question. It IS above his pay grade to establish when ‘life’ begins, ‘cause he’s not a scientist. He’s a lawyer, a scholar, a teacher, and a politician, NONE of which give him any professional knowledge on when ‘life begins’.

As for the Democrats dancing around the issue, so be it. I don’t see how ANYBODY cannot ‘dance around’ it when such a issue is inserted into the public discourse. It’s not a PUBLIC or collective interest! The repugs have made that well known for decades. It “might’ merit some discussion if the “State” were responsible for maintaining and sustaining life outside of the womb, (which is why China restricts births/kids to two per family) but since the repugs are only interested in sustaining ‘in womb’ life, and not at all interested in the economic and other factors involved with maintaining that same life once it actually BECOMES a life, then this doesn’t merit as a topic of political discourse.

That’s why Roe v. Wade was decided on the right to privacy, and that’s why I get pissed off that so much value time is taken up in this debate. On the other hand, I DO have to concede the collective repercussions of having a society filled with citizens who are not provided with the equal opportunities to survive, which is also a human right, and a very fundamental one. People have a right to be housed, and clothed, and fed, if in fact such ‘amenities’ are available to any portion of the population. They even have a ‘right’ to medical care, if such thing actually does exist. Humans outside of the womb have every much a right to respect and dignity as those developing cells that cannot exist OUTSIDE the womb either.

So, I’ll just repost whatever the good Rev. said…

•  Republicans, he said, talk about “their loyalty to the unborn but they refuse to admit their responsibility to those who have been born.”

When repugs decide to be pro-life for life that already exists, this might be a worthy conversation. Otherwise, they should either mind their own business, or use their pro-life proclivities to advocate for the conditions that actually SUPPORT LIFE!!

I ditto jobart and Marx on the religion thing too. And if these religios keep up with this nonsense, I’m gonna start prosecuting every single one of them who so much as throws an avocado seed in the garbage/dumpster.

FC:

My brother and SIL terminated a pregnancy when the sonogram showed the brain outside the skull, several open vertebrae and other severe deformaties.  How many abortions are due to THAT?

You are still having a problem that pro-lifers don’t seem to have…is the woman a person who owns her own body, or is she nothing more than a breeding hothouse for babies? If your answer is the former, then the decision is hers, alone.  Not even the father should have a say.  If your answer is the latter, then women are chattel, breeding machines, solely existing to serve men’s needs.  In other words, slaves. 

The ultimate goal of most of the “Pro-Life” movement is the re-subjugation of women and the control of YOUR sexual behavior by priests, doling it out in little dribs and drabs, telling you it’s ONLY to have children.  Meanwhile, the Catholic Church STILL hasn’t faced and confronted honestly its cover-up of serial child-raping priests, a practice that has been going on, and covered-up for 1,500 years.

It’s all about power and control, and if you have a man by his b***s, you can lead him anywhere.

Article quote: “Still, the Democrats are dancing around the issue, not wanting to offend their pro-choice base or the culturally conservative voters they need to win over.”

This is really the heart of the matter.  Why are dems “dancing around the issue”..?  If you “dance around” or circumvent issues….do you not LOSE as many votes as you hope to gain…?

What utter stupidity.  Makes a party look weak and without direction, doesn’t it?  Are they really so foolish as to buy into EXACTLY what republicans will accuse them of..? Or are these “parties”, just a come one, come all, with a disclaimer that says “Hey, YOU joined the party….we’re not liable for what goes on here.  Does the phrase “corporate tactic” come to mind here…..?

Same ol’ divide and conquer stategy. Remember..it’s an easy concept for low-level management to follow.  And think about it, half of them (at least) are such fucks they’ll be happy to to it for a couple of extra bucks.

I am now a retired health professional. I am and have always considered myself a very liberal political thinker; a former SWP and P&F;member, and an committed socialist well into my late 30s. It is in this debate that I always run into a Catch-22 of sorts. I am a strident opponent of capital punishment. I am a strong advocate of birth control and birth control education in third world countries, as well as programs to prevent AIDS and facilitate family planning. I respect those who believe that the government should respect a woman’s right to chose whether to bear a child, however, we are not, though it seems like we are sometimes, a third world country.
I feel, strongly, that a woman and her partner have a responsibility to provide birth control. Contraceptive pills, spermacidal foams, diaphrams, IUDs, condoms, and more recent innovations including a patch, and ‘morning after’ pill are available at relatively low cost to any couple that wants to engage in sexual activity, and does not want pregnancy. Some of these have unwanted side effects but a combination of some of them is surely available to any responsible couple who isn’t too zoned out, irresponsible, or hurried to bother with them. The prescription is easier to get than an abortion, safer, and costs less money. Do the math.
Every year in this country, about 30,000 infants die before age one due to our declining health care, rising infant mortality rate, and generally declining infrastructure. If we had a disease, some plague which came from out of nowhere and doubled this, it would be a front-page news tragedy, an epidemic. But we don’t. We have, instead, 850,000 pregnancies terminated at various stages, because in the vast majority of cases, the two parties weren’t responsible enough to take steps to prevent them. There aren’t 850,000 rape-impregnated or 850,000 pregnancies where the potential mother’s life is threatened by the birth; these are small sliver. Abortion is being used by our lazy society as slacker’s birth control. There is an abortion for every 4.8 live births.
Count me among the Pro-life Liberals, but not one of those who is basing it on religious grounds, though I believe that human life should not be taken by another, in war, or elsewhere. I am as against the violent Pro-Life movement as I am the self-righteous Choicers who milk the billions being made in the abortion business. I think that both sides should take religion out of the equation, take a long look at themselves, and think of the fact that there are millions of Americans who cannot get serious medical conditions cared for because of lack of medical insurance, lack of access to a trained specialist, and the decaying mental health treatment systems in virtually every state and county. Education of the young and irresponsible men and women before they become a part of the problem should be a priority instead of battling over Supreme Court decisions to legislate our morality for us, which never works anyway. I am sure this will draw the wrath of many here, I don’t care. Save the world one more abortion, use a rubber and foam. How hard is that?

I remember when abortions were illegal and thousand of women died from botched abortions. I don’t want to go back to those barbaric times. Just because abortion is legal now doesn’t mean women have to go through with it. Almost no one is pro abortion. Pro lifers should be just as worried about a women’s right to live and make her own decisions. Making abortion illegal would be like going back to prohibition only worse. Anyway this is hardly a hot topic issue this election with all the the screw-ups that have occurred over the last eight years. The Democratic Party is on the correct side of this issue.

http://www.abcnews.com tells what folks have been trying to scream at you to get your attention for years and been ignored: growth hormones were put in infants formula; so were other toxins; they are in a can full of toxins; Johnson’s Baby shampoo has formaldehyde along with numerous other nasty toxins; infants carriers, car seats, all clothing; call things new are infused with toxic substances; laundry soap, deoderants, bathing soaps, cleaning supplies; & so very very very much more: all geared to harm humans to the maximum degree: and kill them; or make much $ for sister Pharma Corp for drs fees & prescriptions; deliberate cold blooded premeditated with FDA & Congress & Pres & VP’s & all Gov’s & other political parties full knowledge & agreement to do so; MAKE NO MISTAKE folks; it is cold blooded premeditated murder of babies, children, & adults; learning of HOW Hitler did it by bringing over top Nazi’s just for this purpose: he started out by putting florine in water; see WHY so many countries have banned it from their water systems; floride folks: ring any bells? NO OTHER country on this planet has as much toxins; nor will they; they wonder why Americans put up with it; now they have genetic seeds; same folks who brought you Agent Orange; and every other country has banned them or makes them be labeled due to the problems (excepting USA of course); so YOU decide: better to have a child & lose it due to deliberate poisoning? who you gonna call? Congress? THEY were BEHIND it all; it is a DICTATORSHIP: NOT democracy; and it is for the wealthy, AGAINST the people of this country. Read it and weep folks;

They are against abortion, and “partial birth” abortion.

But they are all in favor of post-birth abortion…they call it “Capital Punishment” but we know it as state-sanctioned murder.

Re: Bboy57.

Maybe you should consider aborting that post and trying again.

Life is not subjective. Life is. That’s the reality many can’t deal with. So it’s inconvienient, so expendable in their minds.

Even in our secular homogonized part of the world, that is still an atrocity. One the nation and a major party is having trouble coming to grips with, this expendbility for convienience. Many women are forever injured by this decision. Not to mention many fathers.

re:Bob.Lipsett Sr.: No need to worry about a German company trying to take over Cindy(Sindy) McCains beer company. A Belgian beverage giant InBev NV beat them to it last July 14, 2008.

Pavane: couldn’t have said it better, but I am certain that number is closer to a billion and not 1.5 million in need of families with 6.6 billion people on the planet now. And don’t forget all those throw-away children in many poorer countries of the world and remember when America had what they called “orphan trains”, where people put their unwanted/excessive children onto trains and when the trains stopped at different towns, people who needed workers or help of some kind, would go to the train stations to see what was available, the early answer to orphanages as well as cheap labor.

Hey Dan, thanks for the Barney quote.  That says it all.  And to everyone else, I very much enjoyed your comments.  You’re all way too reasonable.

Yet, he said, he will support Sen. Barack Obama because the Democratic Party and its policies will best serve the nation “and the people of the world.” Republicans, he said, talk about “their loyalty to the unborn but they refuse to admit their responsibility to those who have been born.”

It’s an unbelievably hopeful sign that this guy said this, and that he was able to say it at such a gathering. Wow.

This issue is one that will never be solved by debate.

Because both sides, demand rights which they feel entitlted too, and believe the other sides points of view are morally wrong.

Each side feels morally justified in it’s stance.

So there will never be a solution under present curcumstances..

Meanwhile the relgious right is reproducing in record numbers, the fastest growing populations in the United States are religous based.

The rest of the population is declinning, except for immigrants.

re:  purplewolf

You remind me of the interesting disconnect between McCain’s present pro-life stand and his past carpet bombing of Vietnamese villagers.

McCain seems to have an abiding interest in sufficient cannon-fodder: Postpone GI benefits to force lengthier enlistment time in the military.  Force births to ensure enough cannon-fodder for future wars.

Blake says that abortion shows disregard for the lives of the unborn. Okay. Then how does he feel about wars?
Does that not trump abortion, as those killed in wars are already alive, whereas, the unborn have the potential to become a human being? Until they are born, they really do not exist yet, they are dependant upon the body that carries them.

Isn’t it about time to allow women, since men do not get pregnant, to have the rite to decide whether to use birth control? Something the current administration is trying to ban, since some view birth control as a form of abortion. President Bush already has bills on his desk and the head of HHS are trying to push through and make it harder, if not impossible to obtain birth control pills and devices. This would make abortion more needed rather than less needed.
Something these people who want to force their views down unto strangers fail to realize is that every child should be a wanted child, not a child who is unwanted and forced unto the host body to carry to term due to the beliefs and whims of total strangers, and is likely to be abused and neglected, as it was not wanted in the first place, or born into poverty and cannot really be afforded? Adoption is not always the answer either, as there are numerous older children in this system who remain unadopted because they are not babies or the wrong color. Not every person in the world is happy about a pregnancy, regardless of what some religious freaks think.

By trying to force women to become baby factories or human incubators, you are reducing the value of all women to nothing more than a machine/property to   crank out more humans, no different than the farms that raise turkeys, pigs, cattle and other livestock. At least it assures the governments of enough cannon fodder for their wars, but it really is a total waste of time, money and energy to raise these babies up to an age in which they are considered suitable for the war machines they are destined to, especially those born poor.

Quality, not quantity of life, a choice that should be allowed to all women worldwide. Is it not better to have fewer children who have a better chance of life and health or have too many and all suffer due to lack of everyday necessities of life? A better life for all should be the goal of these people who want to control the reproductive life of others and not the excess number of unwanted babies born into this world.
If all life is sacred as these type of people think, then why is it okay to destroy-the term used- the lives of excess domestic animals like cats and dogs, puppies and kittens as to many stupid people do not get their animals sterilized and thus have all these unwanted baby animals that over 90% end up being destroyed simply because there are too many of them. Humans are really no different, only so far society has not resorted to putting them down in shelter, yet, we do it in the wars instead, now is that really better than abortion?

It’ time to call these folks out on their Definition of “life”.
If they support War
If they reject birth control prevention
If they stop supporting issues to improve or enhance Life after birth
If they aren’t able to comprehend the Link Between existence & the environment
If they are only waiting for ‘One’ Birth….
they’d better start using another term.
Stop placating them with this Euphanism.
I reject that Facade, their hypocratic title
and I scorn and ridicule them for their part in pertpetuating not only a Pro Corp agenda to control All resources like Human labor (higher supply = lower cost), but also for Dereliction of duty as the Only Stewards of this Planet!Ya think ‘god’ gave you these physical abilities, Intellect and foresight to fail to manage even our Popluation, and devast everything else we are in charge of??? Hell with ‘ProLifers’ like these, the planet should have been left for the dogs to control! Even after licking their asses, what came out of the dogs mouth would still be less offensive .

Like ‘angels dancing on the heads of pins’ and ergo you have Democraps! Much ado about absolutely nothing. Bishop Charles E. Blake should stick to pastoring and try really hard to remember that his “gospel” is “Christ crucified.” Period and end of story. What could “Christ crucified” possibly have to do with political conventions and Amerika’s sin of “wars of naked aggression?” Hmmm, one man’s war could possibly be another man’s abortion. When the Democraps finally finish with their ‘circular cannibalism’, the world and Amerika will have passed them by and the election will have gone to Sen. John InSane. Won’t Ms. Hillary’s screaming woman from Manhattan be ever so happy. This year vote Green! This year vote Libertarian! This year boycott the vote! Won’t make more than about a dime’s worth of difference anyway. Congress will continue the rape of the American taxpayer, the Supremes will continue their 5-4 flirtation with ‘star chamber justice’, and whomever is president will war and more war until Amerika is finally bled dry. We’s damn close to that now.

So, according to some flapdoodlers, the government has a right to own a fertilized egg that I might be carrying around.  That in essence makes me a surrogate.  So, like other surrogate ‘mothers’ I have no claim on the offspring, nor am I responsible for financing my pregnancy, the birth, or the future of the resulting individual.

As to the Republican Party that preaches ‘limited’ government, it would seem to be only on its conditions.

To beat the drums of war and deny national healthcare while advocating pro life is blasphemous at best.  Forcing children to be born into a system of broken healthcare, immoral preemptive war and untenable national debt is lunacy.  The cart is before the horse!

Be sure to put this picture next to the ones of the dead pregnant women and children in the countries that we have attacked. The PRO BIRTH folks, who don’t give a damn about people once they are born, make me want to puke! HYPOCRITES ALL!

Ah hell, I’m bored with this crap!  Personally; I’m anti-abortion, but, that’s me: Socially, I’m pro-choice; who the hell am I to tell somebody else how to live and make choices?  Jeeze, what’s wrong with us?

Americans on all sides seem to have forgotten that perhaps the most important freedom we have is the freedom to be LEFT THE HELL ALONE! But we have turned into a nation of wackos and crybabies that feel the need to tell everybody else what is right and wrong. We got bored minding each others business that we went overseas to tell them what to do, all the while, throwing bricks in our glass house.
A word about ABORTION. If you don’t like it, don’t have one. Here is the reality of life in modern America. You are not alive until you draw a breath and a hospital charges your parents for it. You are not dead until your estate’s paperwork is completed and filed correctly at the courthouse six months to a year after your life has ended.

On the right we have people who are against abortion, but for capital punishment.  On the left we have people who are for “choice” but against capital punishment.  And all of them will try and tell you that, “Your views are out of line with those of most Americans,” if you disagree. (the quote should continue with, “that i associate with.”)

America, your culture wars have turned old and stale.  Why must we spend so much time, effort, and money trying to force our personal beliefs down everyone’s throat? 

P.S. “Life” neither begins nor ends, it just is…continuing through individual beginnings and endings.  Moreover, the life of a human fetus is no more valuable than the life of the little microbes that will digest it post abortion.