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Posted on Aug 25, 2008
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By Bill Boyarsky

As Barack Obama moves into the Democratic National Convention, he should speak out more clearly and forcefully on an issue that clearly distinguishes him from his do-nothing opponent—national health insurance.

Nothing illustrates John McCain’s dedication to laissez-faire economics more than his plan to change, although not to improve, a health insurance system that now increasingly fails to meet the needs of Americans.

And nothing illustrates Obama’s failure so far to put some meat on his campaign than his inability to nail McCain on this issue and to speak specifically and powerfully about his own excellent plan, which he announced early in the campaign.

Public opinion polls show the contest to be about even. News media analysts portray this as evidence that Obama has stalled and is even faltering in the face of assaults by that journalistic favorite, McCain.

Actually, as the Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll noted, Obama is doing as well or better than the last two Democratic nominees, Al Gore and John Kerry, at this point. Kerry was leading President George W. Bush 46 percent to 44 percent, a statistical tie, and Gore trailed Bush 48 percent to 39 percent in a comparable pre-convention period.

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Still, Obama has yet to clearly define himself as the go-to guy we can trust in a crisis. He has to convince undecided voters to say that despite his limited experience, his race and his name, “I like what he says and there’s something about him I trust. I’m going to take a chance on him.”

He’s not there yet. On the campaign trail he remains an inspiring but somewhat remote figure, a weakness evident since the first days of the campaign, when he unexpectedly lost to Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire, hurt by her ability—and his inability—to connect with blue-collar workers in economically troubled areas of the state.

Today, more than in January, the economy is the voters’ top concern. The latest Kaiser Health tracking poll showed that 49 percent of those surveyed felt the economy would be the main factor in deciding their vote, compared to 25 percent who said Iraq.

Digging deeper into the findings, the pollsters said “the survey suggests that this [the economy] is an umbrella issue covering many other concerns, including those relative to health care.”

Obama’s health insurance plan comes close to what would be the best system, Medicare for all, known as “single payer,” the payer being the federal government. Medicare, with overhead substantially less than private plans, has been chugging along for decades, satisfying generations of seniors with its simplicity, accessibility and benefits.

Obama likes this system. The Wall Street Journal reported that he told a town hall meeting in New Mexico, “If I were designing a system from scratch, I would probably go ahead with a single payer system.” But he said it would be a long and complicated process to dismantle what we have now, “given that a lot of people work for insurance companies, a lot of people work for HMOs. You’ve got a whole system of institutions that have been set up.”

Obama’s plan offers a mix of public and private coverage assuring health insurance for all and requiring all children to be covered. Employer-based plans would continue, although companies would have to offer “meaningful” coverage or contribute to a new public plan, which would be open to all. It would offer comprehensive benefits, affordable premiums, co-pays and deductibles. There would be a subsidy for people with low incomes.

Another new feature would be a National Health Insurance Exchange, which would oversee private health insurance plans. Those working for small businesses or without employer-based coverage would buy policies from insurance companies through the exchange. All children would be required to have health insurance.

In other words, whatever your circumstances, you’d have health insurance.

That’s not true of McCain’s plan. He’d rely on the Bush administration’s inadequate health savings accounts, which are more helpful to the high-income group than to the middle class and low-income people and shift medical costs to the consumer. If you have a high deductible insurance policy, you can maintain one of these savings accounts, which have some tax advantages. He also would offer tax credits of $2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for families to offset medical costs. And he envisions some sort of nonprofit organization contracting with insurance companies to provide insurance for those denied access.

This plan is strictly Bush administration, with a few cosmetic additions. It shows McCain for what he is—a dedicated proponent of the free market, which has not provided the country with affordable health insurance.

Obama must explain the differences between himself and McCain on the issue. John F. Kennedy did it with Medicare during the 1960 campaign, and he spoke so effectively that he convinced my dad to cast his first vote ever for a Democratic presidential candidate.

Obama can do it, too. Let’s hear more specifics, expressed in plain, populist language making the issue as personal as a visit to a doctor, a stay in the hospital or a night of worry over how to pay the bills.

 

 


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By hetzer, August 28, 2008 at 2:52 am Link to this comment

Crooks like rackets because they are like 24 hour oil wells drilled into perpetual human weaknesses.  In a sense, racism and sexism are a mother load.  They are always there based on human gullibility for appearances.  It could be big Jewish noses or curly hair or dumb blondes.

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By Folktruther, August 27, 2008 at 9:27 pm Link to this comment

I would like to believe that there are very, very few racist persons in our government, too, Dr Know, just as I would like to be believe we all float up to Heaven in the Rapture, or believe in the truth fairy, who puts the truth under your pillow while you sleep.  Unfortunately I’m hooked on the reality-based truth, and what I would like to believe often clashes with what is true.

The basic glue holding the US teogether across classes in the US is racism.  It is a major factor in this election as it has been in every other election.  The US was founded as a racist society: We the People referred implicitly to We the White People.  It did not included Indians or African slaves. 

The American Constitution is a racist document.  I apologise if that is not what you want to believe. The US power system is based on the genicide of the Indians, the slavery of the Africans, the robbery of half of Mexico from Latinos, the exploitation and imprisoning in concentration camps of Asians, and the current War on Terrorism of dark skinned Muslims.

Racism at home is complemented by the massacre of millions of colored peoples abroad, the million plus Iraqis succeeding the three million Vietnamese following the four million Koreans.

If Obama is president this will continue to be done supervised by a black face, just as Powell and Rice put black faces on a White foriegn policy.  If, through the racism taught to the American people, McCain wins, then the slaughter will continue in the usual way.

Let me suggest, DR Knowit, that history is not made up of what we want to believe.  It is what happens.  It is a nightmare from which we are trying to awaken.

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By KDelphi, August 27, 2008 at 8:54 pm Link to this comment

How in hell did this become about Chappaquiddick??

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By hetzer, August 27, 2008 at 8:05 pm Link to this comment

They will assemble the most widely scattered “facts” with no ideas to achieve any undeserved advantage.

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By rowman, August 27, 2008 at 7:46 pm Link to this comment

Oh.
So what you are saying is that it took a long time for Democrats to recognize that the Republicans were right on civil rights and equality.  The Democrats were enlightened by the Republicans and changed their racist ways. How much you want to bet that Democrat Senator Byrd still has his KKK outfit?

It’s ironic that the same man who failed to render medical aid to Mary Jo, and never told authorities about her being stuck in a car drowning while he enjoyed crepes for breakfast 8 hours later, is the same man standing up and calling for Medical care for all Americans. Yes, I would say he became enlightened too. As far as him not being charged… are you serious? Do you really remember this scandal?

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By hetzer, August 27, 2008 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment

They have used muscle, force and fraud to make bad shoes for union soldiers, and they have done countless acts of treason ever since.  They are the entitled ones - the crooks who think the rule America.

The South was just like them so it was natural that all the American crooks would get together after 1964. 

Neither of the two parties has ever represented grass roots America.  They have always suckered gullible people into believing it is so. 

Basically, the Republicans have shot the clerk in the convenience store, while the Democrats have disposed of the body.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, August 27, 2008 at 4:45 pm Link to this comment

BTW, Rowman, I remember the Chappaquiddick incident.  For whatever reason, Kennedy was never charged, never tried and therefore presumed innocent of wrongdoing. 

Ted was my senator for about 35 years.  I had great mixed feelings about the Kennedys.  But, by God, I don’t believe one can be objective about Teddy as a statesman and not accord him great respect.

He’s human and therefore flawed.  But he will have left many of us a little better off for having been here and I don’t think you could say that about a lot of people.  Either you like him or you don’t, I guess.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, August 27, 2008 at 4:29 pm Link to this comment

No, that wasn’t what I meant.  The author of the quotes you cited set out to write an attack against the democrats.  You and I both know that racism crosses political lines.  If you or I wanted to research quotes by republicans that supported one of our anti-republican views, we could probably easily come up with many.

By “enlightened” I meant that, most of the quotes were decades or centuries old and one is not so likely to hear such things now from anyone in public life.  One reason is that people have become more educated about race and have cultivated more tolerance for diversity, though we have far to go.

I think the civil rights movement of the 60’s and the key roles of many democrats to advance that cause demonstrates my point.

I would like to believe that there are very, very few racist people in our government and if there are any, they should be fired.

People have become enlightened.

Tonight, we have, by acclamation, a DEMOCRATIC presidential nominee who is bi-racial, half AA.  This is huge and as more and more progress is made, the likelyhood of racist utterances will further diminish.

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By rowman, August 27, 2008 at 2:02 pm Link to this comment

I would love for Teddy to enlighten us on the murder of Mary Jo Kopechne, if that is what you mean.
Since some so easily forget the real man he is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident


Folktruther, here is a link to a list of many racist comments the democrats would prefer that you forget. http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110011033

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, August 27, 2008 at 1:21 pm Link to this comment

Rowman and Folktruther:

Isn’t there something to be said for becoming enlightened?

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By KDelphi, August 27, 2008 at 12:54 pm Link to this comment

was once the party of labor and peoples’ right. It lost it’s way—the Dem party and GOP bare little resemblance to the founders’ intent. It can be the party of rights and labor again. It could create a new (restore an old, also)middle class and protect human rights.Whether it will is the question

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By KDelphi, August 27, 2008 at 12:51 pm Link to this comment

that has a country worth living in (with a decetn standard of living) has national (or at least all-inclusive) health insurance. What did UK, Canada do for HMO workers when they switched? We dont always (and shouldnt) have to make everything up as we go along. Japan has one of the best systems in the world, as well as France.If we al need to “move on” to the global economy , etc. ,maybe HMO workers need to do the same. Everytime i talk to my HMO—it isnt someone who can speak English or Spanish!

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By Folktruther, August 27, 2008 at 12:31 pm Link to this comment

Way to go, rowman.  These quotes should be reproduced and used to enliven and make realistic the schoolbook history of the US.  Most people don’t know it or, more importantly, don’t want to know it.

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By rowman, August 27, 2008 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment

Purple Girl, August 26 at 8:57 am #
“Our party has always been the party or Labor & Equal rights.”

Are you insane or ignorant?

Blacks “are inferior to the whites in the endowments of both of body and mind.”—Thomas Jefferson, 1787

“Resolved, That the Democratic Party will resist all attempts at renewing, in Congress or out of it, the agitation of the slavery question, under whatever shape or color the attempt may be made.”—Platform of the Democratic Party, 1852

“Resolved, That the enactments of the State Legislatures to defeat the faithful execution of the Fugitive Slave Law, are hostile in character, subversive of the Constitution, and revolutionary in their effect.”—Platform of the Democratic Party, 1860

“Instead of restoring the Union, it [the Republican Party] has, so far as in its power, dissolved it, and subjected ten states, in time of profound peace, to military despotism and Negro supremacy.”—Platform of the Democratic Party, 1868

“No more Chinese immigration, except for travel, education, and foreign commerce, and that even carefully guarded.”—Platform of the Democratic Party, 1880

“American civilization demands that against the immigration or importation of Mongolians to these shores our gates be closed.”—Platform of the Democratic Party, 1884

“We favor the continuance and strict enforcement of the Chinese exclusion law, and its application to the same classes of all Asiatic races.”—Platform of the Democratic Party, 1900

“While the tendency of the white race is upward, the tendency of the colored race is downward.”—Sen. Thomas Hendricks (D., Ind.), 1869

If blacks were given the right to vote, that would “place every splay-footed, bandy-shanked, hump-backed, thick-lipped, flat-nosed, woolly-headed, ebon-colored Negro in the country upon an equality with the poor white man.”—Rep. Andrew Johnson, (D., Tenn.), 1844

Blacks are “a subordinate and inferior class of beings who had been subjugated by the dominant race.”—Chief Justice Roger Taney, Dred Scott v. Sandford, 1856

“I am a former Kleagle [recruiter] of the Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County. . . . The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia. It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state in the union.”—Robert C. Byrd, 1946

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By hetzer, August 27, 2008 at 10:44 am Link to this comment

Ultimately,

Reagan put the guards to sleep and turned the milking machine on “high”

The Bush frat boys did 911 for money and power, but also for kicks.  It was like setting a bum on fire in the park.

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By KDelphi, August 27, 2008 at 9:53 am Link to this comment

Obama cannot say he supportsd it because he dose not! People workign fro HMOs can “get other jobs”, just liek the free marketeers told all the peopel working in manufacturing—and now its filtering up!Every other civilized (are we?) country on earth has a natl health service—not “affordable” insurance plans, not a “pool of poor”,—to my mind, nothing that is a mtter of life and limb shoudl be left to the free mkt. To supoprt the fre mkt in endeavors like war or health care (btw—more Ams. died this year of no health care than in Iraq) is to insure death for innocent people. Sure, its going to happen anyway—but there shouldnt be a PROFIT to let then die or to kill them.If he is going to “cover al children ” because “they dont have a choice” (do sick people??)—why mention it if youre coveirng EVERYONE—because he has nio intention of it.The HMO jobs factor is a crock! If youve wever been on HMO, you KNOW who answers when you call—and it sure as hell is not an American citizen!If you just dont care—you should just say so. People need to plan to keep enough pills around if they cant get medical care! Its the least you can do.

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By Fahrenheit 451, August 27, 2008 at 3:42 am Link to this comment

By hetzer, August 26 at 4:18 pm #

“It is important to kill Obama if possible in order to demoralize and then destroy any vestige of progressivism.”

Before I report your post I would be interested to know if you are really that ignorant or stupid?  Please explain yourself if possible.

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By DoctorCraig, August 26, 2008 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment
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Article neglects to state that, in exchange for that $2500/5000 tax credit, McCain’s plan would remove the tax exemption for employer provided health care coverage.  McCain’s dead set on interupting the social contract between workers and corporations built over the past 60 years, and shifting the burden to individuals.

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By Big B, August 26, 2008 at 4:00 pm Link to this comment

Hetzer

part of your post reminded me of a poster i saw on the wall in a warehouse I worked in as a teenager.
“When you are up to your ass in alligators, it is difficult to remember that your intention was to drain the swamp.”

I think that phrase accuratly describes what is needed to change the healthcare system in america.

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By Cran Berry, August 26, 2008 at 2:25 pm Link to this comment

As the polls now clearly show, Obama will lose the election because he failed to provide something more than slogans and pretty speeches. He jumped around at the slightest noise from the Bush-McCain camp, proving that he had nothing original or new to offer. All that talk about change came to naught. The democrats were conned and soundly trounced, and they will have to wait another eight years before they get another chance assuming they can survive as a party, something that seems to be in doubt, looking at the joke that’s being presented as a convention.

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By SCJ, August 26, 2008 at 11:41 am Link to this comment
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Obama will have to betray his largest supporters the biggest of who were from the health industry.  He will never support united health care.  As long as this counry has the gigantic military budget it has we will never afford united health care.  Wall street and the upper 1% of the wealthy make to much money off a military budget and have ever since WWII.  There only objective is to let the machine feed itself in it greedy way , if nothing else for growth purposes, ha.  This machine knows nothing except how to live and breeth creating world conflicts to sell war weapons.  As far as the democratic party always, a Party of Labor?  Where has this person been and what have they been smoking.  Obama will serve to help mount a false sence of hope for change and because he is the first black president.  WOW, this is concrete evidence CAPITALIST democracy works-oops- forgot right wing facsist democracy.  This new found nationalism will build more pride and in a failing economy, induced or otherwise, will help to raise military enlistment, even more so with people of color.  Obama wants 65000 more military, and 25,000 more marines, in Afganistan.  And his foriegn adviser is Brzezenski auther of The Grand Chessboard, advocating the near same as PGNAC.  The Demos, are only differant on human rights, which could be argued. Both parties are on board for free trade and the caretaking of the interests of the elitists in this country.  Two party system is a sham.  Obama is a wolf in sheeps clothing. With electric voting machines still out there?  If our elections work the change we need needs to come from a third party canidate, it is the people s only hope .  Two party system is to corrupt. Obama and his plastic partner are also for intervention in Pakistan and Georgia.  IMPERIALISM

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By hetzer, August 26, 2008 at 11:15 am Link to this comment

No scheme or organization can keep out the crooks on its own. (As endless victims of rackets, we have been coached to think that solutions lie in better or different rackets.)  Yes, it is true that we can dilute money, status, power, etc.  But, we have to help enough people to get enough smarts to smell and resist at least the most common rackets and cons.  We have to drain the swamp.  A different set of bug killers won’t be much help.

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By Folktruther, August 26, 2008 at 10:47 am Link to this comment

You may be right, Anarcissie, that consumer cooperataives could work.  But the food cooperatives around the universities of Berkeley and U of Chicago dissolved.  I don’t know why, but a leader of the Berkeley one was Hyakowa who became a right wing Senator for the Gops.

A study would have to be made as to whether the US power system would ALLOW consumer cooperatives if they threatened major corporations.  As you know, real free enterprise is a bad joke.

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By Purple Girl, August 26, 2008 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

If anyone embodies what the Demeocratic party has strived to acheive ,it is Teddy Kennedy.
Our party has always been the party or Labor & Equal rights. Brick and Mortar has never been our out task master. Rights & Freedoms granted to US, meant Only for Individuals never Corps.
We have always known People build countries, keep them moving and keep them safe. And if you don’t take care of the people, the rest goes to shit!
so all those donning Blue it is time to step up or Get Out!
The Dem torch was Not handed to the Clintons, they just tried to claim it. The Democratic party must demand that the rogue club called the DLC (and any who already had sweet deals with the corps who didn’t need DLC’s bridery funds)End their subversive tactics or come out and be known for what you are- The Corporatist party-that “Third Way”/“New World Order”
We know exactly who has been undermining the Dem party for the last 2 + decades…DLC est 1984, how appropriate- ‘Double speak’ and ‘Truth Ministry’. Hillary blew your cover with her brazen use of the standard Corp’ist tactics.Loved the attempt to divide Women from the Equal Rights movement- sorry it didn’t go as well as it did for your coworkers in Red by Conquering the Religious folks.We saw you try to split that hair,to bad women give birth to both boys & girls, of all colors, backgrounds, religions and sexual orientations- Oops fatal flaw to the scam!
Thank You Teddy for Clarifiying What the Democratic Party still stands for!and giving the clintons so called ‘Reagan Democrats’ the big Fuck You!

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By Anarcissie, August 26, 2008 at 8:24 am Link to this comment

The way to change the medical care and insurance system, if anyone really wanted to, would be to establish consumer-cooperative HMOs.  This development would cut out both the traditional profit-making corporations who have made such a mess of things, and the dead hand of the federal bureaucracy as well.  It would be in the interest of the administrators, not to make a big load of money, but to provide good service and as low cost as possible, because otherwise they’d be fired by the member-elected board of directors of the co-op.

It is extremely interesting to me that no one even discusses a system like this.  There are a few examples of it on the ground, in Wisconsin, I believe, but I don’t know why such an obvious solution to the problem, at least for middle- and working-class people, exists nowhere else.

However, I do understand why presidential candidates and other big-ticket politicians don’t discuss it.  No need to go into that.

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By hetzer, August 26, 2008 at 8:15 am Link to this comment

I’d arrest the Republican and Democratic leadership and have them do honest days of work until Obama takes the oath of office.  That way, no one will be killed.

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By Aegrus, August 26, 2008 at 7:11 am Link to this comment

Thank you, cyrena, for being a proponent of realism. Goodness knows I want single-payer health care in America, but the road there isn’t a drive-thru. Citizens have to work hard to pressure representatives to do their bidding, and being jaded about not getting everything you want all the time is just self-righteous indignation.

You can be right all the time. It’s really easy, but being right doesn’t necessarily help other people unless you are willing motivate yourself and others to doright.

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By Fahrenheit 451, August 26, 2008 at 6:45 am Link to this comment

Big B; good one.  If we keep on the same course a corporation could probably afford us; maybe Chinese.

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By Big B, August 26, 2008 at 6:34 am Link to this comment

Fahrenheit 451, your probably right. our only hope for universal healthcare now might be to hope that a large corporation buys the US. Maybe they will have a decent healthcare plan.

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By Fahrenheit 451, August 26, 2008 at 5:55 am Link to this comment

Is it possible we are in for a real learning experience here?  Will our expectations be met?  I would suggest that’s impossible: Here’s why; the Bush administration has effectively bankrupted the next administration (probably democratic).  This has been a cold, calculated, strategy, by the Republicans (/Bush/Cheney) to ensure the next administration cannot implement it’s social programs.  Put simply; there’s no money, so all of the grandiose democratic rhetoric will dissolve into nothing.  Voila, poof, gone!  A bankrupt government can no more implement social programs (health care) than can a bankrupt citizen charge a meal.  This is a crime most vile, yet, there it is for all to see.  Y’all better wake up to the realities of just what has been going on for the last 4 of 8 years especially.  The republicans did the same thing to Clinton, but to a lesser degree.  We will pay for this for a long time.  Kiss goodbye to universal health care; it will go the way of the Dodo.  Maybe the next republican administration will bless us with this luxury, hmmm?  Food for thought…or not.

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By cyrena, August 26, 2008 at 5:22 am Link to this comment

•  “If I were designing a system from scratch, I would probably go ahead with a single payer system.” But he said it would be a long and complicated process to dismantle what we have now, “given that a lot of people work for insurance companies, a lot of people work for HMOs. You’ve got a whole system of institutions that have been set up.”

Just to be clear, I’m not giving myself any pats on the back for psychic or similar capabilities. But, while I’ve never heard Obama say this himself, abut the fact that a lot of people are employed by insurance companies and HMO’s, I’ve certainly mentioned this a number of times myself. It’s not such an easy thing to dismantle an entire system, without seeing consequences on other fronts of it.

I would imagine that there might eventually be a way to incorporate all of these people into a federal system, but it would be complicated. Matter of fact, it’s gonna take decades to undo ALL of the privatization of our system, in everything from the banks, to education, the infrastructure, the military, agriculture, to absolutely everything. But, we need to start with the health care system.

Dr. Knowitall..

“..By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, August 25 at 3:52 pm #
•  “After considerable thought, how about this: ..Bush got elected twice.  That’s a fact.  By so severely criticizing him and his policies, even though he so richly deserves it, you are essentially telling everyone who voted for him that they’re stupid.” 
Yep…that’s what we’re doing. Telling every single person who voted for Dick Bush that they’re stupid. ESPECIALLY the second time around! I mean, what else can it be?
Oh wait…you say that won’t do. So THAT’S what I’ve been doing wrong.
Oh well. You know how attached I am to reality.

The rest is GOOD Dr. Know. smileOh yeah, you are one smooth talking fella. I personally might have to leave the room for a quick wretch break, but the rest of them would be enthralled. Yep, this is the ticket. Maybe Obama could get Biden to do it, so that he won’t have to totally destroy his own credibility. I mean, isn’t that what VP’s and kids are for? So they can talk shit for you? My nephew is an ACE at this as well. Does it with a perfectly straight face too.

Now on this….

•  “…too many right-wingers buy into the demagogic association of single-payer with socialism and socialism to those who don’t think for themselves, is a four-letter word to be greatly feared…”

I have to do a little play on words here. It may be true that many of these people don’t think for themselves, (they hear socialism and freak out). But I think it’s probably far more correct to say that they are ONLY thinking of themselves! They don’t WANT their money, (their profits that is, since they don’t pay taxes) being cut by programs that force them to accept less than 563,982 % PROFITS on whatever it is they’re using to hold the public hostage. The Pharmaceuticals are the worst of the lot in the health care industry. They will only sell in bulk to the VA, or to FOREIGN countries, which is why the same medicines that these same manufactures produce HERE, sell for at least 50% less in Canada or any place else.

And, the repugs make sure they keep those profits protected. Remember when GW told us we couldn’t buy the SAME stuff in Canada?

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By mill, August 25, 2008 at 10:21 pm Link to this comment

democrats would want to hear ‘national health insurance’ but it’s not their votes that are in doubt for Mr. Obama - and independents are all over the place on health coverage

from Nixon onward, every president who tries to improve citizen access to health care gets thumped with little to show for it - medical and pharmaceutical interests seem to influence congress enough to block reform then and still

better find something that grabs independents more - broad economic competitiveness issues;  and find a way to sooth the discordant democrats who’d rather Mr McCain pick justices for the supreme court

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By 911truthdotorg, August 25, 2008 at 8:41 pm Link to this comment

Obama would do exactly what bush did after he got selected - everything but what he campaigned on.

Forget about universal health care. It’s not going to happen. He’ll need the money for his wars.

He’s a warmonger in sheeps clothing. He’ll keep us in Iraq and Afghanistan and start with Iran and Russia.

Whichever one of these corporate whores gets in will do nothing to undo bush’s atrocities to the Constitution and the middle class. We’re screwed.

Welcome to 1984.

9/11 *was* an inside job.  http://www.ae911truth.org

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By Flabby Love, August 25, 2008 at 7:16 pm Link to this comment
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I see the Democrats haven’t learned a thing after having lost the Presidency to hopelessly degenerate neocons on a regular basis. This Ladies’ Night at the Forum being delivered Monday PM from Denver comes across as a feminist campfire circle, just what independents and right-leaning Democrats want in the White House. When will you people ever learn?

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By G.Anderson, August 25, 2008 at 6:54 pm Link to this comment

Yes, single payer health care would be good. As is many of the other wonderful progressive ideas that people have to make America a better place.

Unfortunately, this will never happen, no matter how much people dream and hope for it.

Because our government is no longer as powerful as the corporations who run things. Yes, the corporations would like some sort of government health care system, so they can dump their coverage for anyone below senior Vice President.

We live in a two tiered society now, and that’s not likely to change. So those in the lower tier will get some sort of version of Cobra.

We will get some sort of tax credit or something, and use it to by an HMO plan or something like it.
But it will still be woefully inadequate. So instead of your employer, or the state giving you health care benefits, it will be the Federal government. But the coverage will be much the same.

And why, because the Health Care Corporations have gutted the infrastructure, the skeleton of which they now own and control, and we will still have to go to them for services.

They’ll just love that, feeding directly from the big “tit” of our tax dollars….Corporations just love entitlements when they get them.

They know the public doesn’t have any money to pay for health care, so it’s good timing for them.

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By Leefeller, August 25, 2008 at 6:32 pm Link to this comment

Synop:  Stiff upper lip, say Bully, Bully, then bend over and spread them folks, as Tao Walker said, “we are all Indians now!” (love that line)

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By Big B, August 25, 2008 at 6:30 pm Link to this comment

Paracelsus

I did see Democracy Now and could not agree more. The dimmos used to accuse the repugs of being the country club set, but they have been just as guilty of exclusionary practices as anyone. The reason it’s sadder is that democrats, by definition, were supposed to be an all inclusive club.
Well, there’s another truth cast away
to the dustbin of history.

BTW-Thanks for the reading suggestion yesterday, I see my views are shared by brilliant Italians 300 years ago. I guess we may be headed for the third barbarism. Hopefully, someone will bring cake.

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By Big B, August 25, 2008 at 6:09 pm Link to this comment

Dr knowitall,

Reverse psycology on tha american electorate? I think teaching pigs to sing might prove a more rewarding activity. Oh shit, I mentioned singing pigs! Now half the americans that can read are imagining a pig dressed up like Elvis!

For the above reason, and the fact the dimmo’s have no balls, the US will not see universal healthcare until 75-80% of us are being turned away by local hospitals as “deadbeats”. (or maybe after a national pestilence is caused by millions of untreated sick people going to work or school and sharing their lack of medical insurance with everyone else).
We might as well just forget about any dreams of universal(socialized) medecine, because by the time we actually get around to it, the nations economy will be so far gone and it will be impossible.
Selah!

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By Paracelsus, August 25, 2008 at 6:03 pm Link to this comment

Did anybody see today’s Democracy Now? Amy Goodman interviewed Rick MacArthur? The interview revealed how intolerant the Democratic party is of any kind of independent candidate no matter how centrist he may be. I don’t know how anybody can repose any confidence of change from the Democrats. The recounting of the Ned Lamont and Howard Dean garrotings shows the contempt that the shadow government has for any slightly populist movement that is independent of corporate support. It is enough to make one want take a hammer to the voting machine.

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By Paracelsus, August 25, 2008 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment

By the time single payer healthcare gets enacted we’ll need wheelbarrows to ferry the money needed for the co-payment.Our money is worthless.

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By Paracelsus, August 25, 2008 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

@Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD

“We wish George Bush could serve us another 8 years in the same stellar manner he served us the last but, alas, our great constitution, which he has worked so hard to uphold, will not allow that.  We realize, now that he has the rest of the world pretty much straightened out, that he could complete his domestic agenda if he had the time.”

Nuts!!

How do you keep your lunch down?

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, August 25, 2008 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment

After considerable thought, how about this:

Bush got elected twice.  That’s a fact.  By so severely criticizing him and his policies, even though he so richly deserves it, you are essentially telling everyone who voted for him that they’re stupid. 

This won’t do.

First, you have to get the protesters out of Denver.  They can only damage the dem’s chances.
They can be bought.  Pay them off and tell them to go home.

Then, you have to change your rhetoric to something like this:

Our fellow Americans,  George Bush’s presidency will go down in history.  (You don’t have to say why.)  Admittedly, because of his tenacity to the ideal of spreading freedom and democracy and the American way throughout the world, bearing its huge cost in money and time, it is quite understandable that many of those issues important to Americans did not receive the attention they need.

We wish George Bush could serve us another 8 years in the same stellar manner he served us the last but, alas, our great constitution, which he has worked so hard to uphold, will not allow that.  We realize, now that he has the rest of the world pretty much straightened out, that he could complete his domestic agenda if he had the time. 

We Democrats stand ready, willing, and the most qualified to continue that work of that great patriot and we ask your continued support in keeping America the beacon of hope it has truly become.

Nobody gets insulted and everyone feels as though decisions they made in the past had constructive, not disastrous, results.

Think about it Howard.

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By Politico, August 25, 2008 at 4:41 pm Link to this comment

What happened in the last two elections? The wealthy in this country, and that includes foreign nationals that own a lot of US assets, cannot afford to have the Democrats in power.  I think that’s obvious. Can you spell D-i-e-b-o-l-d?

You’ve been watching both of these men speak for a year and a half and yet they are neck and neck in the polls. How is this even possible? Are Americans watching the same two people I am? All I can say is “unbelievable”!

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, August 25, 2008 at 4:19 pm Link to this comment

This from Obama for President 2008 website:

“I…believe that every American has the right to affordable health care. I believe that the millions of Americans who can’t take their children to a doctor when they get sick have that right…We now face an opportunity - and an obligation - to turn the page on the failed politics of yesterday’s health care debates. It’s time to bring together businesses, the medical community, and members of both parties around a comprehensive solution to this crisis, and it’s time to let the drug and insurance industries know that while they’ll get a seat at the table, they don’t get to buy every chair.” -Barack Obama, Speech in Iowa City, IA, 5/27/07

I think I’ve been paying attention and this doesn’t sound like “single-payer” to me. 

Frankly, I think Obama needs to attend a refresher course on the American health-care system.  We’ll not get single-payer in this country because too many right-wingers buy into the demagogic association of single-payer with socialism and socialism to those who don’t think for themselves, is a four-letter word to be greatly feared.

The DNC and Obama need to very quickly figure out why the hell a war hero who has a checkered background, can’t remember much, and little to say on the real issues has pulled even with Obama—despite being joined at the hip with the man and his administration who have virtually wrecked this country in just 8 years time and done it by lying and shredding the constitution and killing furriners and young Americans.

It’s not the war, it’s not healthcare, it’s not even the economy, stupid.  It’s resonance with the voters and time is quickly running out.  Do you think for one second that the man who has the firmest command of the real issues, Ralph Nader, resonates with voters? 

Tick, Tick, Tick, Tick.  The democratic party is proving to be more inept than the republicans and that says volumes.  Tick, Tick, Tick, Tick.

Are you ready for McBush in 2009?

Tick, Tick, Tick, Tick…

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By Leefeller, August 25, 2008 at 3:32 pm Link to this comment

Maypounce said it before I could, Obama’s “excellent plan”, health plan? In the beginning it was one of his weakest ideas, now he has pandered away hope and change.  Differences between the candidates are becoming more and more difficult to discern.

We know the way it works, so why not be happy while we can.

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By Mayponce, August 25, 2008 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

“And nothing illustrates Obama’s failure so far to put some meat on his campaign than his inability to nail McCain on this issue and to speak specifically and powerfully about his own excellent plan, which he announced early in the campaign.”

His own excellent plan? You mean the plan that gives away millions of dollars to the insurance and pharmaceutical companies?

A single payer health care system is what the American people deserve. Anything less is nothing more than a band aide, and corporate welfare to boot.

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By yellowbird2525, August 25, 2008 at 2:34 pm Link to this comment

THIS is the way our country is run: for the pocketbooks of the wealthy, & the harm of many. google asparteme and Rumsfield: asparteme turns into formaldehye which causes sickness & death; google floride: and learn most countries have banned it; check http://www.naturalnews.com & discover our whole country is run on making the most folks sick by chemicals created to do so, for the pharma companies to make mega bucks; and as for health insurance? well, even if covered like a Senator from Calif said: you are covered until you get ill; then, the insurance companies do not have to cover you EVEN IF it is in your coverage they do IF it affects their profits; many have died being denied simple medical procedures; deadly toxins to humans & animals are created to harm the most to make the money for the few; they learned well from Hitler who poisoned the water using florine; claiming “this is the way” democracy works: exploiting the many for the profit of the few; laws are there which are ignored by the lawless leaders; SHATTER the mindset that our Gov & FDA is there to protect YOU. It is RUN BY THE WEALTHY to get the most $ from you; it is actively done by causing the greatest harm to the most for the profit of a few. As long as they can delude you they will do so, folks; this country has NEVER been run “for the people”; EVER; if American’s could EVER grasp this fact: it would be wonderful!

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