Senator Clinton has gotten over it, why can’t everyone else?  Naturally, since I am posting after the Democratic Convention, I can only speak about what actually occurred instead of all the frightful possibilities.  Senator Clinton and her husband acquitted themselves with honor, and just the right tone.  She won a lasting position as a true leader of her party, instead of an embittered sore loser.  She will burnish that image further by enthusiastic campaigning.  Now that the Republicans, or rather that desperate ol’ maverick-turned-Bush-clone, have selected a woman as candidate for VP, Senator Clinton can take out any lingering discontent on attacking that shallow, inexperienced prop.

Al Gore got 50,999,897 votes in 2000 to George W. Bush’s 50,456,002 (with Nader the Spoiler copping 2,882,955, large chunks in some of the most critical turning point states).  So what?  The only significance of the 18 mil votes for Hillary will be if any are crazy enough to vote for McCain.  That would be childish and destructive, not only to the Democratic Party but also the nation.  Tantrums are for spoiled children, not for people who rationally voted for Senator Clinton because she was better qualified in many ways.  If anyone voted for her simply because she is a woman, then yes, make another irrational decision and vote for McCain.

Honestly, a lot of Clinton supporters will not take any conciliation from Obama.  He has lauded her run, spoken about how it broke barriers for his daughters, but it does nothing for some. I don’t know what others expect him to do.  Even Clinton’s own pleas seem ineffective for some of her die-hard supporters.

Marie may have had a point other than whining in this piece, but I still think the whole thing has a whining tone that is concerned more about how Clinton is getting it so bad than any other point.  I also think the wording of her “brazenly” comment indicates that she is expressing her own view, and her past articles make it clear that she is.  This piece is in a context of other Marie Coco pieces that clearly show her feelings on the matter.

Gmonst: I apologize if I mischaracterized your comment. I do believe you mischaracterize Marie’s commentary as well. She didn’t say that Obama had “brazenly taken the election from a more-qualified woman” - she said there is a significant contingent of voters and delegates who feel that way, and whom Hillary is being asked to win over. Her thesis, if I understand it, is that she is being called upon to do the heavy lifting of healing the resentments some of her supporters are harboring. This isn’t something that ANY previous male candidate has been called upon to do at this stage of the convention. It’s also something that Obama hasn’t applied his considerable oratorical skills and nuanced understanding to, as he has with race, as he did with Rev. Wright. Why not? It’s a fair question. Is Hillary being asked to fall in line in a classical feminine roll of healer? Does that mean anything? If you hear Marie’s commentary as whining about the election, you’re missing the boat. She’s questioning the Demcratic party, what it’s doing NOW, not what transpired 3 months ago.

The people who supported her are hopeless whiners who can’t see any fault in Clinton nor any value in Obama (gmonst).

That is a complete mischaracterization of what I said.  I didn’t imply that either. I said that this piece by Marie Coco was whining, and I still think it is.  I am over the whole Clinton vs Obama thing.  Marie obviously isn’t.  Nothing in my paragraph could be taken to imply what you interpret as my words.  It was about the author of this piece, no one else.  Marie has never stopped making a case for Clinton since the end of the primaries.  I got over the whole thing when I saw Clinton’s concession speech, and yes I did have respect for her, and even felt bad for her as I could sense how hard it was for her to lose.  I have no beef with her or her supporters in general.  That is until they whine and complain about Obama brazenly taking the election from the more qualified Woman and then making her do all the work, just like high-school.

The ire shown here and other progressive web sites toward Hillary and her admirers has been the most disheartening feature of this endless campaign year. This was a close race, with razor thin margins. If sexism was fostered by the media coverage - and who would argue that there was no sexism on display - is it not at least possible that was enough to change the outcome. The point isn’t that it was the cause without question, but it is an arguable case to be made, so why get all pissy when anyone like Marie makes it? That isn’t to say it was YOUR reason to go with Obama, just that among the great, sprawling electorate, it could have been determinitive in enough voters’ minds to make the difference.

But that will never matter to you, will it? That’s not the story line you’re going with. Much better that Hillary is a self-serving abonination (Purple girl), a self-and-party destructive power-grabber (Aegrus), an amoral thief (yellowbird). The people who supported her are hopeless whiners who can’t see any fault in Clinton nor any value in Obama (gmonst).

So, who was on the podium last night, making a powerful case that all of the democratic party MUST rally behind Obama? Who, in an UNPRECIDENTED plea for unity from a vanquished primary opponent BEFORE the roll call, threw her lot with a candidate who gave as good as he got from her (“she’ll say or do anything to get elected”). Talk about grace. Talk about putting party and country ahead of personal ambition. New respect, Reason? I doubt it. You werre naive to think it might have played out in some other way. But you’ll probably hold onto the story line you’ve clutched to so far. You’ll see Hillary’s historic speech as more cynical posturing by the most cynical and serf-serving politician in modern times.

As Marie rightly pointed out, Clinton can’t win. At least not with you clowns.

Obama 08!

“Clinton can’t win Tuesday evening. But then, she knows that.”
Hillary can’t win as a self serving politician but she can win as woman of character and integrity if she chooses to. If she cares for the people of this country, she can admit her loss and support Obama who has won the primary by offering his effort to changing the political status quo.
I know this sounds idealistic and naive, but Hillary can regain some respect of voters by showing she cares more for the welfare of our country than her political status. Wow, wouldn’t that be refreshing!

Marie has never gotten over Hillary’s loss in this election.  She beats the dead horse one more time. She really is a sore loser.  It irritates me to no end that she has to frame Clinton’s loss solely as sexism at work.  Clinton was defeated on policy, message, and delivery, not her sex.  She ran a horrible campaign full of missteps and it was still close.  Those are the breaks. Instead of even admitting the possibility that Clinton might have made some serious mistakes and squandered what should have been a slam-dunk victory, Marie plays victim and delivers this whining piece.  Obviously she has no intention of trying to be gracious and give one single kind word about Obama herself, but instead opts to keep the mud flying. Not really surprising.

Hillary damned herself.She did not go down because the ‘boys were picking on her’(what a way to undermine Womens equality- use the stereotype as your defense)If you think Mac has discredited hsi and everyoe elses military service because he keeps going back to that Well, he is only following hillary’s lead in how to exploit a demographic for your own gains.
Hillary revealed her True allegience, and it is not to Us, Women or the Democratic party- It is to Hillary and the Corps who sponsor her.
Stop praising this woman- she has given women another Bad Rap!
the only ones who have supported Hillary are those who are Armchair militant feminists.they think Pay back should be abitch, no matter the cost.they clammer about their Daughter, but forget they have sons.they also ignore the fact we give birth to not only both sexes- but in all colors, backgrounds and personalities…..funny they could not be bothered to get off the couch, turn off the soaps and spit the BonBons out of their mouths for Mosley-Braun!And refuse to recognize Michelle Obama defeated both sexism & Racism by becoming her a successful person.
Call them White’Feminists’ it articulates their limited scope and reverse sexism,and racist doctrine. hell these women still want their chair pulled out while we kiss their asses on the way down! they are nothing more than white Supremists with Vaginas.
I’m a LIBBER- Equal Rights for ALL

Why can’t Marie be happy, ever?

“has brazenly overtaken the more-qualified woman to grab the prize and in so doing has writ large the story of their own lives.”

Ideas qualify candidates too, and Barack had the ideas that spoke to people better. Goodness. We’re going to bury McCain and move the country forward, but let’s mourn Hillary’s failure because her qualifications fell short. There is a glass sealing, but people like Marie neglected every indignity the Clintons made on the primary trail just to spit in the face of a black man. I thought we were over this nonsense!

What Marie fails to recognize here is that she is projecting her difficulties as a woman onto Hillary Clinton. I can identify with the behavior, but one should really realize what one’s motives are.

I still think it’s ridiculous how women like Marie pout about the glass sealing while turning a blind eye to the lash and noose.

hillary clinton: in the White House she let go all long time employees & got new hires: less wages, worked 39 hours to prevent having to pay health benefits; refused to allow any staff or anyone to speak to her (she was IMPORTANT), and they were nothings; all emails were shredded without being read; the “truth is relative” was when top Clinton person took FBI agent to task for telling the truth under oath; when the FBI agent expressed he was under oath he was told: truth is relavent; the only reason she is in office today is fraud voting; no one in her own party can stand her that I have found; the “gasp” of her saying she was staying in the race cuz Bobby Kennedy had been killed in June which of course cleared the way for someone else to have what he was running for; is because if they can’t be bribed to be quiet; they are in “accidents” or commit suicide; either way, with the Clintons, they did; one man in book store said trying to be nonjudgemental I have looked for anything good at all on Clinton: and I could not find anything good to be said about her at all; and you won’t; the “hillary” etc is all paid for bunk; democrats can tell you to a T what exactly she took out of the White House & was forced to return; many changed from democrat to independents having been dem’s for years in disgust; same with Peloshi;