By PatrickHenry, August 16 at 3:18 pm

Hear, hear! Same for both of my senators and probably my representative, all are republicans. I wrote to one of my senators about the corporate media monopoly and the breaking up there of and of re-instating the fairness doctrine where upon he totally ignored the question on the corporate media and ‘respectfully’ disagreed with me on the fairness doctrine as it would interfere with their revenues. Ain’t happy about that at all seeing how the FCC GAVE them the broad bands that ARE OWNED by the public and they are now making billions upon billions of dollars from it.
And impeachment, not from these 3 clowns, so my vote goes somewhere else in november instead of for these 3 traitors. As a matter of fact, I wouldn’t be terribly upset at all to see them impeached.

Why is our government meddling and most likely causing this unrest on the other side of the world?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20535.htm

Time is short and “they” are getting desperate.  Bush’s rhetoric certainly doesn’t reflect my views as an American and I want him impeached.  If only my representative, Steney Hoyer would agree.  Hell, I guess I’ll vote against old Steney next election, Nov 5.

By Tony Wicher, August 16 at 8:42 am #

By African, August 15 at 11:28 am #

The genealogical line leads to the autocrat Plato, the most stupid philosopher featured in the canon of philosopher in the Western World.
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My last comment was that only a really stupid person would say this. I’ll take it back if you would really like to talk a little about Plato, who happens to be a big favorite of mine. I do understand why you are saying this. Perhaps you have read I.F. Stone’s “The Trial of Socrates”. I vehemently disagree with Stone’s interpretation of Plato and and his characterization of Socrates. However, Stone does make a very important point, which is that Plato’s major failure as a political philosopher is that he does not appreciate the value of democracy. There is however a reason for this, as documented in the early dialogues. It is that the Athenian people were mislead by demagogues to put the greatest person among them, Socrates, to death and thereby destroyed their own civilization. The ease with which “the people” are misled by propaganda to elect corrupt leaders and approve their acts of folly and greed. Today we have Fox News and the MSM, so what’s new? “The people” approved the Iraq war because Bush-Cheney blanketed the airwaves with propaganda.

Still it remains true what Churchill said, that even though democracy is a horrible form of government, it’s better than anything else that man, or Plato, has been able to come up with.

But there is so much more to Plato. I tend to divide Plato into an earlier part that is based on the actual life of Socrates and a later part that represents Plato’s later thinking. The dividing line is at the end of Book I of the Republic. You will find all the autocratic stuff you and IF Stone don’t like from Book II on. Book I is really deep.

I will add one more thought. The only way to maintain such dynamic balance is via the active participation of all citizens in the democratic process.

So endeth the lecture.

By Jim Yell, August 15 at 8:16 am #
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To begin with I must make a simple point and that is the Nazi party did pre-Hitler actually have socialist tendencies, but Hitler took the party to the right and established a National Corporate Dictatorship, a right wing Dictatorship of the worst kind a marriage of corporate capitalism with toxic nationalism.
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Jim,

You know, I never could tell the difference between state socialism (a la Soviet Union or China) and state monopoly capitalism. Aren’t they the same thing? The idea that state socialism somehow benefits “the workers” whereas state monopoly capitalism only benefits capitalists is just ideological fluff. There is no democracy in either case. I like that famous old Soviet joke, where a good Soviet citizen is asked by a Westerner what is the difference between capitalism and communism, and he replied, “It’s a huge difference. Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it’s the other way around!” The people in either case have no democratic power. In both cases there is a ruling class that owns the means of production and controls the political dialogue, and in both cases they look out for number one while their propaganda mills talk about the good of the people. These rulers are called bureaucrats instead of owners, but in the absence of democracy, what’s the difference? The absolute, non-democratic control by the ruling class is the same. After the Soviet Union collapsed the leading bureaucrats became owners. The transition was hardly noticeable. The “workers” in either case only get what the ruling class deems is necessary to maintain production and social cohesion.

There is no socialism without democracy. The ability of a DEMOCRATICALLY elected government to control and regulate the economy in the interest of society as a whole IS the essence of socialism. There is not and never has been any other socialism. Governments like those of Iceland, New Zealand and the Scandinavian countries therefore represent the farthest advance of socialism in human history so far. What a socialist government must do is to provide a framework within which capitalism, the free market, operates, without allowing accumulations of capital and power to overwhelm the government’s proper regulatory function. That is our problem in this country and it is the same everywhere else. There is no such thing as a final state of socialism where capitalism has been eliminated. This tension will always exist; the problem is to maintain a dynamic balance.

By African, August 15 at 11:28 am #

The genealogical line leads to the autocrat Plato, the most stupid philosopher featured in the canon of philosopher in the Western World.
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Only a really stupid person would say this.

Watching c-span, I found coverage of some truth folks! Like Gori HAS NOT been leveled, in fact the people there are glad the Russians showed up to save the city from the Georgian troops. See what happens when tiny nations with visions of aggression listen to the “big” guys?

War!

War. For the privileged, [the filthy rich corporate war profiteers] by the privileged, [corporate owned and irresponsible mainstreammedia] and of the privileged. [Generational political manipulators with a greed that surpasses any the world has seen]
I wonder, how much is a pound of flesh going for on Wall Street these days?

How many pints of blood does it take to satiate the appetite of the greedy? [Probably not enough blood in the world to satiate the appetite of the greedy.] Do oil and blood mix? Or does the blood just float on the surface?

I actually feel optimistic for our country’s future today. When conservatives denounce U.S. involvement in this border incursion in Georgia, exclaiming anger! Not at Russia, but at the West - Great Briton, France and others, following the specific lead of the United States, [Bush] there is hope. What “promises” led little Georgia to believe they could take on big Russia?

Now we learn, France has brokered a cease-fire agreement between Georgia and Russia calling for all Russian peace keepers to leave Georgian cities, including Gorgi. I think the folks there might not be too happy about that. 

What we have here is a brokered war [who were the brokers anyway?] resulting in a few thousand meaningless deaths, while mainstreammedia has worked very hard to convince us, the war started because of Russian aggression. And the West, following direction from the whacky “rights” have maneuvered into reports of a cease-fire, [again] in an effort to make Rice and Bush look credible. [Is that even possible?] Meanwhile they need to get the decider and his heir apparent to shut up about Russia’s aggressive bullying, when everyone knows perfectly well it’s about who controls the Caspian Sea Oil. And by the way, Bill Clinton was a player in that far reaching plan. http://www.democracynow.org/2008/8/15/russia_georgia_c onflict_fueled_by_rush

And three sides of the neo-con coin - Rice calls for cooperation, Cheney calls for war, and Bush calls for a new chalk line on the floor ‘cause he cant see where to stand. [OK, I made that last one up ]

Bush demands Russia stop doing nation changing, and Puten suggests Bush mind his own business. [And take care of his own nation changing.] And the cries of ethnic cleansing in Abkhazian and Ossetian continue. And as usual, we really have no clue what this is all about, but it must be important, right? Else why would our “first” branch of government want to plant our bush right in the middle of it?

Is it possible that century old grudges could be lived with, without ethnic cleansing and war? Not so long as “outsiders” use those grudges to foment war for “their” gain. Seems that grudge thing is a BIG factor in all the wars in my memory!

Could it be we are at the brink of blatant insanity to save a wimpy old man who dreams of ruling America as a “real” war hero? At the same time giving the tangled Bush some sort of a legacy, or maybe just an excuse to stay in office forever.
Oh wait a minute! It’s really just about BLOOD FOR OIL, same as always ... duh

And what are the people on the street saying? Pretty much what everyone here is saying!

Yep, there is hope.

Seems Americans are not as dumb as they use to be. I guess eight years of “Bush” policy, watching liars and war mongers and trouble makers and cowardly bullies run things into the oily pile of shit we’re all sitting in, will do that.

Now, if we can just figure out a way to educate our stupid congress.
Oh never mind. Lets just get rid of all of them and elect some folks who pay attention!

By Jim Yell, August 15 at 8:16 am

I am familiar with prescott bush’s dealings with adolph and the nazis and having his businesses taken from him by the US government but what is this ‘both’ sides of the family stuff. I am curious and would like to know.

Seems like the Corps are wishing for the Old Days when Division meant higher profit markets.
Of course they have got their foots in the door in these countries anyway and can continue to operate to ‘bring products’ regrdless of political strife.
A real win win- end the ‘cold War’ by killing their economy, then ‘end’ it and move in, then start it up again to make gains by rejuicing the ‘US & Them’ doctrine.Business Stratedgy- Working both sides of the street-piting one sided against the other while you walk straight up the middle unscathed.
God knows the russian would not want to give up their Jobs ‘created’ by Western Corps, and we will not give up our “Coca Cola” to let the Russians have it either. Follow the Money, and you will see who is responsible and perpetuating these ‘conflicts’. ‘multi National Corps’ are a country within themselves and their allegience is only to the Bottom line.They are not just ‘double agents’ They are Multi national Agents.Goal ‘Consumer’ wars means Huge profits.Who loses everyone- mankind is nothing more than a commodity (Labor) and if they can lower the value through this ‘competition’ so much the better.
They want to conquer these nations not just for their natural resouces fromthe ground, but flood the market with the natural resource called Human labor.
It’s musical chairs on a global level- And the Corps are the ones playing the music.

This time around, we’re the bankrupt nation while Russia gives loans.

The Georgians didn’t get a free and fair election when Saaskvelli was elected the last time.  It’s only labeled free and fair when one of America’s corporate shill newscasters or politicians talks about it. (Though the same could be said for Yeltsin’s electoral victories.)

nino baldino you only want to run the tape from where the Russians came in. Before that, the Georgian army invaded South Ossetia and carried out war crimes i.e ethnic cleansing, otherwise known as murdering families in their own homes or turning them into refugees fleeing for their lives. You know, the way the US army did in Iraq? The Russians have attacked the Georgian army but make no secret of wanting to see the back of Saakashvili and I don’t believe that a free and fair election will return Saakashvili to office. But will the Georgians have a free and fair election? Will the Americans now that the neo cons have replaced John McCain with a clone of their own design?

Election coming up in 2 1/2 months. Create all the ‘october surprises’ the w admin can to help keep a military dominance which our congress and president will have to feed. And there is still the attack on Iran that just has to be done by january 20th, 2009. Be just like that sorry bastard w to spring the attack that morning before the transfer of power, IF there is a transfer of power. This administration is not finished yet, call it a lame duck but its mission now is accomplishing devious international maneuverings, in short, make it worse for the next guest in the white house.

By Big B, August 14 at 3:18 pm #

But it takes two to tango, and hopefully the Russians won’t want to dance (It bankrupted them once already)
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Bug B,

I think it’s in Russia’s interest to strengthen international law. I believe the U.S. under Obama will join Russia in tthis. McCain obviously thinks another Cold War would be heaven.

Oh what a tangled web we weave. Are we so devoid of of enemies that we feel the need to create them? Our complicity in this little Georgian situation should prove one thing to the American public, that muslim extremists have not proven to be the threat that the MIC and their neocon mouthpieces had hoped for. So what to do? I guess we’ll just have to start the cold war again! But it takes two to tango, and hopefully the Russians won’t want to dance (It bankrupted them once already)