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NATO, Georgia and the Ready-Made War

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Posted on Aug 12, 2008

By William Pfaff

British Field Marshal Bernard Law Montgomery was the man who said the first three rules of warfare are “Do not invade Russia,” repeated three times. A footnote to that rule would be that while the disputed Georgian districts of South Ossetia and Abkhazia are not parts of Russia today, they were yesterday, and probably will again be tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow. Most of their present populations carry Russian passports, and there are Russian troops in both provinces.

The fourth rule of war might be, “Do not let anyone trick you into invading Russia.” Apologists for Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili have claimed that the Russians prepared their riposte to the Georgian attack on South Ossetia before it happened last Friday, but misled Saakashvili into thinking an attempt to seize the disputed territory would go unopposed. However, The New York Times quotes “a senior American official” as saying, “It doesn’t look as if this was premeditated. Until the night before the fighting, Russia seemed to be playing a constructive role.”

The Russian version of the betrayal theme is that Saakashvili “was forced to start this war by Dick Cheney to support the campaign of John McCain. The only possibility for John McCain to win is to have some kind of war.”

That is the view of Sergei Markov, director of the Institute of Political Studies in Moscow, and undoubtedly it is an opinion widely held in Russia. It is at least logical. If true, it would mean that Cheney should be charged with malfeasance in public office. (But that has been proposed before.) The U.S. vice president’s actual statement after the Russian counterattack was perfectly presidential. He said the Russian attack “must not go unanswered,” and if continued would have serious consequences for Russian-American relations. This said everything and nothing at the same time.

The fifth rule ought also to be precautionary: “Don’t let your friends in Washington democracy-promoting institutes or neoconservative think tanks, or who are important American newspaper columnists or television talking heads, convince you that if you attack Russia the United States and NATO will rescue you.”

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Thus a sixth rule of conduct is one of political realism, and explains rule five. It was expressed by Henry Kissinger: “Great powers do not commit suicide for allies.” (Least of all small and unimportant allies.)

Nowhere in what I have read of the comment on this small but important war has it been explained why neither Georgia nor Ukraine should belong to NATO. They carry with them ready-made wars that NATO neither can nor should be expected to deal with. They are both ethnically and culturally divided nations whose histories are of struggle between or among their component parts.

In Georgia, it is between the linguistically distinct enclaves that in the past were Russian and wish again to be Russian, and the majority of Georgians, who want to be part of the West, but are also determined to dominate their rebellious territories. If they would peacefully renounce those territories, an ethnically and culturally united Georgia would have every right to demand NATO membership. But as things are now (or were, until the last few days), Mikheil Saakashvili wants his country inside NATO to protect him from the consequences of forcing those dissident territories to remain under Georgian domination. NATO has no business doing such a thing, and as Russia supports the rebel enclaves, NATO membership for Georgia has war with Russia built into it. As we have just seen.

In Ukraine, the problem is between a culturally and historically Orthodox and Russian-speaking Ukraine, and a Westernized and Uniate Catholic Ukraine, whose ties are to Poland and Lithuania. Westernized Ukraine is trying to use NATO to help it dominate Russian Ukraine. This again has war built into it, and NATO must stay away from a conflict that is an unresolved and possibly irresolvable internal Ukrainian problem. NATO is extremely lucky that Germany and France blocked it earlier this year from offering membership to Georgia. Had they not done so, NATO today would either have threatened Russia with war this week, or its Article Five guarantee to go to the military aid of any of its members under attack would have been discredited.

Thus the seventh rule, also one of political realism, is: “Don’t give guarantees or make threats you cannot carry out.” John McCain said, “Russia should immediately and unconditionally cease its military operations and withdraw all forces from sovereign Georgia territory.” That is ultimatum talk. But if McCain were president today, just what would he have done if Russia defied him?

Barack Obama said, “Now is the time for Georgia and Russia to show restraint, and to avoid an escalation to full-scale war.” This was called “weak” by the McCain camp, but it was presidential talk. It said what the two sides should do, without committing the United States to do anything, whatever happened. It maintained a free hand for the United States.

Visit William Pfaff’s Web site at www.williampfaff.com.

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By SCJ, August 14, 2008 at 5:02 pm #
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Andrew, Wish I could get behind that last post on RF’s and the market but it is over my head.  None the less something tells me that the economy here is really being held by an even thinner thread.  They are scrambling.  I have notice some market anylists making point the EU markets are played out and thus to suggest, US is so low it can only go up?  They are really playing the cards, just like with the poisoned chinese products, that a month before the first product scandle, (not that there is any connections), the UN had tried to pass sanctions against Iran that China vetoed.  After however many chinese product scandles causing market declines, China finally went with the sanctions against Iran.  As said before, several forces here at work and Georgian peoples, rebels and not, are paying the horrendous price.  To get NATO to violate its application processes and accept Georgia or suffer the Murdock empires marketing influences.  Andrew to be brief is important, but could you explain and scale that post down a bit.

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By SCJ, August 14, 2008 at 4:25 pm #
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US is hurting in its man power.  It has been unable to get NATO to commit more troops.  Those in Afganistan are not in highly action oriented areas, for the most part. To escalate into Pakistan and for that matter to divise getting the rest of Lebanon and Africa, they need more man power.  Georgia conflict, a pawn to isolate Russia, try to trap Nato into further obligating itself to the wests interests by having to protect Georgia, (if Georgia is taken into NATO).  This offer will not happen> RUSSIA HAS MADE SOME BOLD PROPOSALS to NATO and US.  Read here http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/index.html  Obviously EU might be tempted. But the Georgia conflict may be a ploy to lock NATO once and for all into the US’s imperialist interests.  The elites of the western cultures will never forgive Russia for its revolution or bottom line trust it, and for capitalisms advancement that history must be crushed, discredited and wiped from history as much as possible; especially to advance the NWO control of the world.  All forms of socialism must be discredited or silently phased out, as we see happening in all corporate capitalist countries.  Those being EU, US, Canada, Soc. Sec. and universal health care.  As the housing markets get worse and capitalism in the US gets closer to collapse, the lower classes will get squeezed, our youth will fall prey to the military and the corporate backed propaganda of the media outlets.  A Black president who belives in protecting free market interests over seas, will also help to promote black nationalism and military enlistments along with the ethnically poor classes that have fallen deeper into the depths of homelessness and poverty. Obummer backed Joe Lieberman against Ted Lamont in 06 and vote to pass every pro corp bill he could and vote against capped interest rates control of creditcard companies.  Differances between McCane and O-bummer are only a few words apart if the end results are nearly the same, more war and occupation and more genocides for domination under the guise of spreading democracy but only Capitalist Corporation democracy or military dictatorships.  The oldest age of any Georgian goverment official is 37yrs old the leftest leader who was origianlly elected and had to flee after the US backed orange soft revolution is in political assylum in France and a new west puppet leader is installed, how popular or legit is he with his people? But of course his election was ligit, with all that US backed money the elction, the best money can buy.
Gorbachov was promised NATO would not advance east if Russia converted when it collapsed, that promise was obviously violated long ago.  Maybe Russia will be forced to stop protecting further sanctions against IRAN.  I believe Russia did more than go bankrupt its leaders sold it out, thats why there was no counter revolt to its collapse.

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By Tony Wicher, August 14, 2008 at 4:01 pm #

jack,

Wait a minute, I just looked at your post again and you are saying Russia lost. What? I don’t think so. Russia is the only really clear winner. Of course the U.S. is painting Russia as the imperialist aggressor, in order to justify its own imperialism, mainly to its own people; as also Russia is painting the U.S. as the imperialist aggressor and its own motives as pure as the driven snow, which I doubt. They probably did engage in provocations through Ossetian separatists. Let’s see what an objective judge says. In fact, Russia has more credibility with the rest of the world than the U.S. I would probably side mainly with Russia if I were the judge. The Georgians are responsible for the first military move and for the resulting destruction and loss of life. The U.S. is also responsible if they incited the Georgians that they would back them militarily. However, if prior Russian involvement is also established, which I consider very probable, then Obama’s suggestion of replacing the Russian “peacekeepers” with an international force that would include Russians, Georgians and forces from neutral countries is very reasonable. This is how we make progress toward a world of international law.

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By Tony Wicher, August 14, 2008 at 3:43 pm #

Re By jack, August 13 at 10:09 pm #


Tough talk, Cyrena. Yellowbird’s turn to be disciplined. Come on, Al Gore didn’t even carry his own state, which would’ve gotten him the electors he needed, then he didn’t show the guts to fight to the end when he knew he’d been screwed. What does it mean to give in for “the good of the nation” or some such rot? Hell, it wasn’t for the “good of the nation.” He should have defended the constitution and the disenfranchised voters.
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jack,

I agree with all this completely. Gore is a pusillanimous fathead. Which does not mean that the election was not stolen.

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By Tony Wicher, August 14, 2008 at 3:35 pm #

By Ralph, August 13 at 2:43 pm #
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Very good and insightful article.  The only additional comment is that there is one other beneficiary of this “war” – President Saakashvilly.  He got rid of two break-away provinces that were of absolutely no use to Georgia and managed not to lose his face in the process.  In fact, he has become a national hero.  The opposition fully supported his actions.  Georgia (and, thus, Mr. Saakashvilly) will receive more U.S. and other international aid.  Georgia has put itself on the map (there is no such thing as bad publicity – just think of Borat and Kazakhstan). Etc., etc.  Very clever move by the U.S. Government.  The only short-term losers in this whole affair are the Russians, who have clearly become the victims of the image war.  But do they care?  I don’t think so.  After all, they’ve got the oil and gas.
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Ralph,

I hadn’t thought of it that way! I had thought of Shalikashvilli as the big loser, but I think you might be right! So everybody won, then! The U.S. won, Russia won, Georgia won…amazing! I guess the only ones who lost were all those people on both sides who got killed, then. Oh well, if you want to make an omlette, ya gotta break a few eggs, as Lenin used to say. Sheesh!

But we will see. I just can’t believe the Georgian people will reward Shalikashvilli for this.

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By Andrew, August 14, 2008 at 12:49 pm #
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The Ministry of Defence of Georgia announces a sale of brand-new M-16’s.  Never fired and only dropped once on the ground.
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In russia:
Have you watched the olympics?
Yes…
Have we won anything besides silver medals?
Tskhinvali.
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Actually the Georgian Ossentia conflict was organized by Americans. Why? To find a way to get rid of the useless thieving Georgian soldiers in Iraq….
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After McCain declared that «all Americans are now Georgians», Mr Saakashvili has declared himself the lawful president of the USA.
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Georgia, as a result of the South Ossetia conflict, has addressed to NATO a request for humanitarian help. 100 tons of pampers have come.
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The International Olympic Committee is considering Georgia’s request to include a world speed record on mass running, established by the Georgian Army, during the 29th Olympic Games, running from Gori to Tbilisi.

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By yellowbird2525, August 14, 2008 at 12:09 pm #

the media has consistently and deliberately misled the public: might want to go to http://www.democracynow.org and search for armywhistle blower where it shows the military deliberately targeted & bombed motel/hotel where journalists were staying in Bagdad; see also # of journalists KNOWN to have been killed in Mexico; here in USA during 911 a reported indicated a link between our Gov & the people who had flown the airplanes into twin towers; it was in regards to the flying lessons; they were told by Feds “they had best not see that in print” again; KNOWING the power of print & images they REFUSE to let “images” be shown even of wounded in hospitals; the US Gov is NOT the people in white hats folks; never have been; but it has seriously escalated to beyond being “bad”;

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By Andrew, August 14, 2008 at 2:29 am #
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Barack sold out to AIPAC a couple of weeks ago.

His dialogues are now currently moderated in function of our “ally”.

So do not expect any changes, he is now on the payroll, saying what he is paid to say.

Black, white, brown, male, female, it all goes to show the office of Prez is just décor, to maintain the myth our vote means something.

As Frank Zappa said, when it becomes too much of a hassle to maintain the decor, they’ll just draw the curtains aside and everyone will be faced with a brick wall.

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By Andrew, August 14, 2008 at 2:28 am #
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He sold out to AIPAC a couple of weeks ago.

His dialogues are now currently moderated in function of our “ally”.

So do not expect any changes, he is now on the payroll, saying what he is paid to say.

Black, white, brown, male, female, it all goes to show the office of Prez is just décor, to maintain the myth our vote means something.

As Frank Zappa said, when it becomes too much of a hassle to maintain the decor, they’ll just draw the curtains aside and everyone will be faced with a brick wall.

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By jack, August 14, 2008 at 2:09 am #
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RE: The votes that he DID win back in 2000, came from the Al Gore count. Viola, you got the fuckers that we’ve been stuck with for 8 years! Now he’s running again, knowing damn well that he cannot take ANY votes from the Repug crowd behind McCain, and so he cannot WIN against McCain. He can ONLY jack-up the thing for Obama. NO! You do NOT realistically have any other choices, so if you keep talking crazy, and throw your vote away, you might as well kiss your ass goodbye.

Tough talk, Cyrena. Yellowbird’s turn to be disciplined. Come on, Al Gore didn’t even carry his own state, which would’ve gotten him the electors he needed, then he didn’t show the guts to fight to the end when he knew he’d been screwed. What does it mean to give in for “the good of the nation” or some such rot? Hell, it wasn’t for the “good of the nation.” He should have defended the constitution and the disenfranchised voters. I’d have liked to see him take it to the streets, but them who was in his corner? Oh right, Leiberman, ‘nuff said…we’ll we’re off topic, aren’t we? Here’s the latest on the scene in Georgia (below). If the black-ops faction doesn’t back off trying to goose Putin every other week, we may all be kissin’ our asses goodbye.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20508.htm

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By SCJ, August 13, 2008 at 10:57 pm #
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Barack Obama’s statement was weak and evasive, given the fact that Georgias actions have been given various types of training and green lights from the White House.  One only need compare the immediate remarks of this administration for restraint and its delayed remarks of no restraint in regaurds to Lebanon and the destruction Isreal laid on destroying half of that country.  Russia showed much restraint and this action has numerous objectives.  Also another line of betrayal of promises the west has not kept.  Such as that made to Gobachov that Nato would not extend east if the USSR converted.  Kosovo was one warning.  Choices for the elections are: do not give your choice of free speech away to two Imperialists who want you to decide over which war is more important of two current illegal genocidal occupations, Iraq or Afganistan.  By NOV they will probably have us fully in Pakistan as Obama wants or finish building the worlds largest embassy in Iraq the country we had no intentions of staying in.  Obama wants 65000 more troops and 20,000 more marines, sounds like a man who wants to talk at the table?  WE have choices if we will get behind them, as they do not have corporate sponsured interests behind them.  Voting for a 3rd party whether they win or not, sends a message that they do not want out there.  They are counting on the sheep and herded effect.  Learn what it means to say No.  It means in the long run some day some one who feels as you do, will be able to win.  It means it may cause, some of the sheep to stop and think, before they just give their voice away to hubris and war mongures. Vote for who you are not for who the media and corporations say you have to vote for.

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By yellowbird2525, August 13, 2008 at 9:02 pm #

Alan Keyes, Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin are all running for Pres & will be speaking the same time the Dem Convention is running in Denver; they & multitudes of others are planning a mass anti immigrant rally; READ “don’t cage dissent” in this paper; THOSE are the “plans” for the Dem’s & Reps working together AGAINST the people of the USA; Lou Dobb’s is running & his book “war against the American dream” details in depth how the Gov of the USA, both parties combined, special interests (read Corps) and Pentagon have been waging warfare on the citizens of the USA for years now; don’t know if Ron Paul is still in the running; the Constitution Party is running; the Libertarian party is running; etc; Ralph Nadar is running as well but he gets $ from the National Republican Party; but he has consistently been on the side of the PEOPLE of this country for years;

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By Folktruther, August 13, 2008 at 8:00 pm #

Another alternative in the election, Cyrena and Tony, is to vote for Cynthia McKinney, especially in those states like Calif where the election of Obama is relatively assured.

The reason is that both candidates will effectively serve a third term of Bush.  Indeed, they are both to the RIGHT of Bush in military affairs, both wanting to INCREASE the military and EXPAND war.  A normal expectation is that they will continue the US slide into a police state, war making it easier.

If McKinney can gain sufficient credibilty, it would make it easier the mobilize the left into a political force.  The electoral system is now so obsolete and corrupt that it hardly matters, but in 1932 and 1936 Norman Thomas running on a fake Socialist ticket forced Roosevelt left.  It is conceivable that this is possible again.

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By Ralph, August 13, 2008 at 6:43 pm #
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Very good and insightful article.  The only additional comment is that there is one other beneficiary of this “war” – President Saakashvilly.  He got rid of two break-away provinces that were of absolutely no use to Georgia and managed not to lose his face in the process.  In fact, he has become a national hero.  The opposition fully supported his actions.  Georgia (and, thus, Mr. Saakashvilly) will receive more U.S. and other international aid.  Georgia has put itself on the map (there is no such thing as bad publicity – just think of Borat and Kazakhstan). Etc., etc.  Very clever move by the U.S. Government.  The only short-term losers in this whole affair are the Russians, who have clearly become the victims of the image war.  But do they care?  I don’t think so.  After all, they’ve got the oil and gas.

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By Andrew, August 13, 2008 at 6:01 pm #
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RF Plc (ex CCCP Amalgamated Industries) has the pleasure of releasing its Annual Accounts to its shareholders. 

The empire did not crumble. It went through Chapter XI reorganisation, spun off a few non core operations, negotiated a new money line, and hired a PR firm to design a new corporate logo. The mission of adding value to shareholders remains the same, within a new downsized and streamlined operation that no longer cross subsidizes loss making subsidiaries.

RF’s round of renegotiations with its creditors has resulted in refinancing at new favourable market conditions of low interest rates further underscored by its AAA credit ratings.  This, coupled with an injection of mezzanine finance has resulted in an improved a capital adequacy ratio of 0.48.

RF’s 250% increase in operating cash flow since 2005 means that RF Plc has a healthy debt servicing ratio of 4.75 and P/E ratio of 22.  RF Plc is currently reconfiguring its oil export channels via secure All-Russia pipelines to Europe and China, and is evaluating potential strategic acquisitions, even if they should necessitate hostile takeovers and proxy fights.  It appears likely that the competing BTC pipeline through Georgia will be acquired via hostile takeover and shut down as it is incompatible with RF’s integrated Glavtransneft network.  BTC management will be laid off with no golden parachutes.

Market Analysts however are speculating on RF Plc’s substantial holdings of Currency Stabilisation Fund and Sovereign Wealth Fund portfolio (c. EUR 500 bn).  It is rumoured that RF Plc are considering selling off an estimated 75% of the Fund which is estimated to be in worthless US Government Securities funding the Iraq Occupation, and using the proceeds to accelerate the commissioning of 6 Yuri Dolgoruki class SSBN submarines and 4 new aircraft carriers.  Meanwhile, US F-22s and B52s are fully loaded with bombs yet idle on the tarmac due to empty fuel tanks.

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By SCJ, August 13, 2008 at 5:11 pm #
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There are more choices besides the doupoly the Corpaorate media and corporations have placed at the table.  As far as Nader the spoiler, that is two party control dogma.  That election we were taken, illegal and it was decided illegaly by the Supremem Court to perform a coup as the Florida supreme court was going towards a Gore ending.  Obama is a Imperialist and his voting record proves it.  His statements about Jeruselum were inflamatory, he is as close to the right as Hilary was, but the elite think his being a black man 1st is more influencial on, moving the war on terror,Ha, and Imperialisms interests forward for both US and EU Capitalism domination and HERDING THE PUBLIC IN THE DIRECTION THEY WANT.  It will send a false flag that our elections here in the US still work.  Recently he has emphasized more on keeping the military option on the table than his being at the table as a talker. What would really show that our elections work still would have been to not block Dennis Kuchinic from the debates in Las Vegas, or for a real anti war canidate to get elected NADER or CYNTHIA MCKENEY, not unlike what happened in the Spanish elections. Corporation backed canidates are going to back the corporations.  Obama has been able to hide some of this and his talk against lobbiests, yet those lawyer firms who were some of his biggest contributers were firms who have big corporations as clients.  Lawyers don’t have to file as lobbiests.

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By Purple Girl, August 13, 2008 at 1:15 pm #

McCain has gotten away with acting and speaking like the already elected Pres- where’s the Press screaming about being ‘Presumptuous “NOW??
this man has No Experience as Commander in Chief, No authority to speak for US- he is only allowed to speak for AZ!!So if he wants to send troops he can get volunteers from HIS state!
Mac has sold his soul, his constuients and US out to those who are pulling his strings- another puppet, like ALL the presidents over the last 28 yrs!
McCain should be required to answer charges for his part in the lead up to the Iraq invasion- as spokesman who lied to the country about where the Anthrax came from-Oct 18th 2001- Already KNEW it was Not from Iraq, but from a facilty HERE!TREASON!
“Country First” WHICH COUNTRY MAC- SAUDI ARABIA???

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By Fahrenheit 451, August 13, 2008 at 11:43 am #
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@jackpine savage, August 13 at 3:28 am #

“In the minds of US political leaders, Monty’s advice is meaningless because the US is different and far superior to any country that has ever existed.”

I do hope you meant militarily.  If so, I agree.

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By Tony Wicher, August 13, 2008 at 11:22 am #

THERE ARE MORE CHOICES THAN EITHER OBAMA OR MCCAIN FOLKS!
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Yeah? Name one.

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By Paul_GA, August 13, 2008 at 10:35 am #

Actually, Montgomery had two rules of war. The first was, don’t march on Moscow; the second, which this country has violated four times, was, don’t get involved in a land war in Asia. My source is Lord Chalfont’s biography of Montgomery.

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By cyrena, August 13, 2008 at 8:49 am #

By SCJ, August 12 at 4:01 pm #

•  “American Imperialism at work.  Kosovo was a set up and provoked for the purposes of busting up the old USSR and get more military satilite bases in close to control Russia. Was also a economic manuver and all previous state owned factories were auctioned to mostly US corporations.  If they can comre up with a reason to intervene for humanitarian reasons they figure their own public will allow it, an the victims. Tangled web of deciept”

Spot on SCJ!! This is EXACTLY why Kosovo was set-up, and it’s exactly why Slick Willy then used Humanitarian Intervention, without a UN approval, and in DEFINACE of the UN resolutions that were already in existence regarding that conflict. That intervention by the way, was also conveniently timed to ‘Wag the Dog” since he was in the process of being impeached for lying about his blow jobs.
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By Tony Wicher, August 12 at 9:05 pm
•  Good article. It points to the fundamental difference between Obama’s approach to foreign affairs and McCain’s, between diplomacy and belligerance. It’s stupid as hell to say they are both “imperialists” and there is no difference between them.

You’re right Tony. Remember when I said he should do NOTHING more than what he did, which was to say that both of them (Georgia and Russia) needed to show some restraint? In other words, we needed to STAY OUT OF IT! Obama didn’t need to say anything more than that. But you were right too, when you said that McCain would call him ‘weak’ for such a stance.

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By cyrena, August 13, 2008 at 8:47 am #

By yellowbird2525, August 13 at 12:45 am

•  “THERE ARE MORE CHOICES THAN EITHER OBAMA OR MCCAIN FOLKS! get a grip! neither one of the two choices are approved by the citizens of the USA; neither are either accepted by 70% of the citizens of the USA; the “choose” one or the other means this is a DICTATORSHIP NOT a democracy which is great news cuz dictatorships are easily overthrown! “

No yellowbird, YOU get a grip, ON REALITY!! If the system hadn’t been high-jacked 40 years ago, what you say might be true. You can claim that there are more ‘choices’ and you would be only theoretically correct, leaving you with roughly 100 million ‘choices’, of American’s who satisfy the requirements to run for office, and about 10 million who might actually know how to do it. THEY either are NOT running, (and therefore don’t want the job) or they would NOT be elected by a population of mostly dumb ass and politically apathetic Americans. I don’t know where you come up with this 70% figure, (other than out of very thin or very thick air) because there hasn’t been a time, (at least since I’ve been alive) when a candidate has received 70% of the American vote.

To suggest that ‘dictatorships’ are easily overthrown is about as stupid as it gets, because if that were the case, we wouldn’t be stuck with the dictatorship that we’ve had for 8 years.

The electoral system in the country is jacked-up. WE KNOW THAT. We DON’T have time to change that between now and November the 4th. Ralph Nader has run for president FOUR TIMES, and he’s LOST every time, partly because he’s never bothered to run for any other office, and more than half the country doesn’t even know who the hell he is!  The votes that he DID win back in 2000, came from the Al Gore count. Viola, you got the fuckers that we’ve been stuck with for 8 years! Now he’s running again, knowing damn well that he cannot take ANY votes from the Repug crowd behind McCain, and so he cannot WIN against McCain. He can ONLY jack-up the thing for Obama. NO! You do NOT realistically have any other choices, so if you keep talking crazy, and throw your vote away, you might as well kiss your ass goodbye.

You WILL get a full-fare tyrannical dictatorship, codified by the Judiciary system because any Supreme Court justice that McCain puts in there will FINISH of the last burning of the Constitution, (or at least ALL of the amendments) . One would think you haven’t been paying attention yellowbird!

So listen up -  you better just take your chances on the Manchurian candidate, Barack Obama. If you can’t figure out what his game plan is, (like to get to the office so he can actually DO something to save your ass) then I guess you’re just gonna have to ‘have faith’. You DO know what John McCain’s game plan is, because we’ve been living (but mostly suffering and dying) under THAT plan for a long time now.
 
Meantime, who is running for office at your LOCAL level? Find out, and then vote the right ones into the system for Christ’s sake. Have you forgotten that this presidency thing is NOT a one person operation? Yeah, I know it’s hard to remember, seeing as how Cheney has spent his life committed to the UNITARY EXECUTIVE doctrine, and he’s been allowed (wonder by whom?) to get away with it. That is NOT how the thing is set up, and we need to get back to the original plan, to the extent that we can.

So stop putting all of these weak kiss asses in your congress. THEN you might make some headway! Look over the list of your current reps and senators, and actually LOOK at their records. Don’t go by red/blue/right/left, because you CAN’T. There are a whole list of so-called Democrats that don’t even come close to representing the principles of the Democratic Party. LOOK AT THEM and REPLACE them with another color, or the same color, or a non-color. If they haven’t been doing their jobs, GET RID OF THEM!

The presidential election isn’t the only thing happening in November.

PAY ATTENTION!

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By jackpine savage, August 13, 2008 at 7:28 am #

In the minds of US political leaders, Monty’s advice is meaningless because the US is different and far superior to any country that has ever existed.

National exceptionalism increases in direct proportion to the falling of an empire…until the idea is all that is left.

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By writeon, August 13, 2008 at 5:03 am #
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This conflict may just be the beginning of an even greater and more destructive one that looms just over the horizon; the struggle to exploit and dominate Eurasia. Russia is a key player in this new great game and the prime “fly in the ointment” seen from a Western perspective. A Strong, confident and revived Russia is on a collision course with the West over the future of Eurasia and the continents as yet untapped and vast storehouse of energy and other vital raw materials.

A number of powers; India, Russia, Europe, China and the United States, all recognize the significance of Eurasia for their future economic development. Specifically Russia believes it is being slowly encircled by the United States and its allies, an empire greedy and desparate to gain unfettered access to Eurasia’s energy and other resources, and after Iraq the nervousness of the Russians is understandable.

It appears that the United States is determined to gain access to energy resources one way or another. Whilst the Europeans seem content to simply purchase what they need from Russia and other states, the United States seems to want more, to actually control and dominate the region for strategic and not purely economic reasons. If the US is going to remain the planets richest and most powerful country, a giant among dwarves, it simply has to gain control of Eurasia or see its position in the world decline. At least that’s the theory and the motivation behind much of what passes for US foreign policy towards the region at the moment.

Whether this is a wise or even rational goal is another question. What’s certain is that the Russian ruling elite have absolutely no intention of ceding control of their country to outside interests without a monumental struggle, a struggle that is starting now.

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By yellowbird2525, August 13, 2008 at 4:45 am #

THERE ARE MORE CHOICES THAN EITHER OBAMA OR MCCAIN FOLKS! get a grip! neither one of the two choices are approved by the citizens of the USA; neither are either accepted by 70% of the citizens of the USA; the “choose” one or the other means this is a DICTATORSHIP NOT a democracy which is great news cuz dictatorships are easily overthrown!

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By jack, August 13, 2008 at 2:45 am #
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another color revolution - this one with hubris - these can only go so far - the cia/mi6/mossad nexus seems to have reached the end of the line, in term of how much geopolitical instability it can provoke

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By Tony Wicher, August 13, 2008 at 1:05 am #

Good article. It points to the fundamental difference between Obama’s approach to foreign affairs and McCain’s, between diplomacy and belligerance. It’s stupid as hell to say they are both “imperialists” and there is no difference between them.

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By folktruther, August 12, 2008 at 11:38 pm #
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The possiblity exists that the US is going to attack Iran and this war was merely a diversion to keep
Russia occupied.

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By Xntrk, August 12, 2008 at 11:26 pm #
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All this discussion, yet no one seems interested in remembering that it was Georgia that invaded South Ostetia [sp] not the Russians. They seemed to think the Olympics would keep Putin occupied.

Big E said it is the same lesson the Kurds learned after the 1st Gulf War [i.e. depending on promises made by us] I think it more similar to the harsh lesson Saddam Hussein received after he invaded Kuwait with our tacit permission - Or is that another piece of history conveniently forgotten in the fogs of war?

This tempest in the remnants of the USSR does highlight an important fact for those among us who want to invade any country all the time: Our military is stretched so thin we would have extreme difficulty defending our own borders with conventional forces.

I think it is time the Empire took some time off from its foreign adventures and concentrated on getting the home front in shape. We need to end our dependence on carbon fuels more then we need another ‘small’ war in the Mid-East.

Think about it…

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By Big E, August 12, 2008 at 10:33 pm #
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to majkazuki:

well, I tend to think of Georgia as being similar to Cuba, in it’s geographic postion, it’s right on Russia’s doorstep, friendly to U.S. interests and has an oil pipeline, as well as being in a position to monitor what goes on in Iran, Iraq, and anyone else in the region…it also makes for good “democracy creation’ talking points.. I’m sure Russia likes that as much as the U.S. did when Russia was in around Cuba in the 60’s ....

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By majkazuki, August 12, 2008 at 9:59 pm #

What’s the endgame?  McCain, Obama, Bush, and other politicians show interest in Georgia, yet I cannot see why…

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By Big E, August 12, 2008 at 9:42 pm #
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The Georgians are learning what the Kurds learned after the first Gulf War, direct U.S. support after tacit approval for conflict tends to be non-existent…

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By BobZ, August 12, 2008 at 8:37 pm #

Once again our MSM has shown an inability to intelligently cover foreign policy issues with any depth. They are painting Russia as the bad guys and Georgia as total innocents, when the reality is somewhere in between. And McCain has once again shown his irrationality by calling us Americans “Georgians”. He should speak only for himself. And where was the Bush administration in all this; they once again got caught with their “pants down”, while Bush was being wined and dined in China. Bush once again has had a “Katrina” moment.  All of Condaleeza Rice’s vaunted knowledge of Russia has been useless; she is nothing more than a shill of neoconservative ideology. So much for experience. Next time let’s vote for judgement.

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By SCJ, August 12, 2008 at 8:01 pm #
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American Imperialism at work.  Kosovo was a set up and provoked for the purposes of busting up the old USSR and get more military satilite bases in close to control Russia. Was also a economic manuver and all previous state owned factories were auctioned to mostly US corporations.  If they can comre up with a reason to intervene for humanitarian reasons they figure their own public will allow it, an the victims. Tangled web of deciept

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By Big B, August 12, 2008 at 7:51 pm #

Georgia should mark this up as a lesson learned in international relations. that lesson being “never let the US talk you into doing something incredibly stupid, like attack russian territory.”
If the Wermark couldn’t do it, what made you think you could? What possible reward do you think waits for you by doing the bidding of idiot neocons?
We already made that mistake 8 years ago. Take my word for it, it didn’t work out.

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By Mack Skiba, August 12, 2008 at 7:23 pm #
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You are under the assumption that if Georgia was granted Nato membership earlier this year.  That Russia would have still attacked. I respectfully disagree.  Other than that point your article was great.

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