Reply to JMCSwan, July 27 at 6:55
Part 1 of 2

JMCSwan,

I am so thoroughly appreciative of your post here. I swear I am, on account of I know exactly of what you speak. I really do. Been there, but not on quite this high a ‘level’. Still, it’s relative enough.  On this:
•  “Let me give you just two honest responses from a British industrialist’s former wife: ‘The more unemployment there was, the better for business profits, because the lower we could manipulate the cost of labour.’

No surprises for me here, at least not now. It was a shocker at the time, to learn basically the same thing in my own former career, because I’d obviously been quite naïve. Didn’t take me long to figure it out though.

This is even more to the point..
•  “It was only years after I got out of that pretend high society nightmare, that I realized I had been living a lie, and that none of those people who pretended to be my friends, who came to my parties, pretended to like me, were not my friends; in fact were anything but a true friend. Can you imagine, that when my husband finally died, my response was “I’m happy he is finally dead. The only thing beneficial about his death, is my freedom, from the lie I had been living.’

Yep! I can imagine VERY WELL. I just extricated myself from a similar lie a whole lot sooner, and it didn’t require the ex having to die. (although it’s pretty much the same effect). The ‘pretend’ of high society, (even when it really isn’t ‘high’ society at all) is like any other pretend thing. I’ve never been comfortable with it. It’s even worse when a bunch of phonies are hanging around after already having somehow designated themselves as part of ‘high society’ when they are little more than scuffling like crazy, to ‘keep up with the Joneses.” That was the ‘majority mentality’ of the corporate gang of my old life. Those were the (sometimes) ‘educated’ ones that were dumber than shit.

Yours was indeed the ‘high society’ and we see that at the end of the day, they’re really all the same. Now my condition was also similar to yours when I happened to be, (not always – but usually) the only ‘black bitch’ in otherwise all white fake high brow. It was still the same.

But like you…I ESCAPED!! Right about the time that everything began to go really south. Took me with it, at least for a while. So the material comforts are long gone, replaced by a far more value FREEDOM. I never stop appreciating that. And, it’s why I go on and on about the benefits of education, for those who WANT it, and can appreciate it. Now that I’m back in it, (after that lengthy career in a fake lie of a life) I absolutely love it, but I know that I’m fortunate to be in this place, at this time, under these circumstances. I understand perfectly well that this is NOT ‘the norm’ or even the ‘status quo’ across the board. It is, in fact…what we make it. I suspect that I appreciate it as much as I do, because I was surrounded by the phonies for so long. The Oprah types. OMG!! “Twas truly awful. The shallowness was more than I could take.

I was at this same institution nearly 40 years ago for my undergraduate work. I didn’t like it, it was stressful, and I felt like a loner. NEVER would have considered returning. But, that’s the way it worked out. And, it works SOOO well with the freedom thing. It’s certainly not ‘stress free’ and it’s a struggle, specifically an economic struggle. But when one has already been there and done the other thing, I guess it’s easy enough to figure out that there’s nothing much to miss there, eh?

Part 2 of 2

Nope, not when the trade off is being able to say whatever I want without fear of losing my job. (hey, it’s already lost). Indeed, that ‘loss’ turned out to be a blessing in disguise. And ridding my personal space of folks with pretensions sure did free up a lot of time. Improved my mood as well. 
On this….

•  “…Your responses are entirely theoretical, like you read them somewhere in a book, and they sound nice and fluffy…”

I had to laugh out loud. This is such a typical reaction from so many folks, and I’ve long ago learned that there’s little I can do about it. We all perceive however we perceive, based on our own position. I *do* read a lot, but that’s a 50 year old habit. I also think a lot, so I’m not into plagiarizing anything from anywhere. If I write something that sounds like it came from a book, it would be one of my own. But, I’ll agree that much of what I post here IS theoretical, because my general purpose is to clarify that reality rarely fits the theoretical mold.

So, despite the severity of your diatribe and the claims that I’m just full of social worker theoretical BS, and my FAILURE OF VISION, and my YOUTH WITHOUT VISION, (what a hoot!) I actually enjoyed your post. You’re wrong of course, but I’m used to being misunderstood, so I take it in stride. Sometimes I attempt to clarify things, and other times I don’t. Those who don’t get it the first few times, usually won’t. (at least not without at least a modest re-positioning of their own ideologies)

OH…just wanted to mention, (since I hadn’t before) that your suggestion of kids living with and learning among the Amish was actually a good idea. I’ve done that myself, albeit for only a brief period. It was an exchange of services so to speak, when I was involved in my old career. My own culture is of the same foundation though, so it wasn’t new to me. Indians (as in Native Americans) can in fact survive far longer than the rest of theamericanpeople. Just ask Tao Walker. He posts here from time to time. Now I should warn you, if you think my stuff is BULLSHIT, you’re likely to think his is as well. That would be a mistake.

Never argue with an Elder. It’s like cutting off ones nose to spite ones own face. I don’t know WHY so many people do that. But..they do.

By felicity, July 27 at 9:35 am

•  “..It’s probably possible to go back through history or project into future history to see that most of the major events, such as wars, which occur are finally a combination of circumstances, personalities and the times…”

Felicity,

Thanks so much for this. It helps re-route me. I remember when we were talking about this before, and how testosterone could be chalked up to so many of the reasons for wars and similar events. It’s true. That should scare the bejesus out of us all.

Leefeller made a similar comment on another thread today, regarding Obama’s candidacy, which is a basic repeat of pretty much what I guess we’ve been saying all along. (or at least I have from time to time). It’s not so much that HE as one individual is of crucial importance, (even in the role of president) but a combination of HIM, and the TIME. This happens to be the TIME for that particular man. Others could surely do it as well, and maybe even better. But the circumstances have put *him* at the moment for the time, and we can only hope that the combination leads to a positive, rather than another negative series of events.

I know historians generally dislike the ‘what if’ consideration, for good reason. Still, I mentioned this on another thread: “what if” our government hadn’t been highjacked by The Coup of 2000? I’m 97.5% certain that we would NOT have been in a war in Iraq, and almost as certain that we wouldn’t have had 9/11 either.

Anyway, thanks again for the retouch with history, and the realities of it all. I don’t know that WWII was ‘inevitable’ but I suspect that for the reasons you’ve put here, war itself is ‘not’ inevitable’. I say that of course because of my own commitment to the international rule of law, which includes the Laws of War. In other words, if we can’t keep what are mostly stupid and vain men from engaging in wars, at least we can have some guidelines in place in advance, that will hopefully prevent them from destroying much of humanity in the process.

cyrena, (July 26 at 9:59 pm)

Changed my mind, and read the articles you suggested: “Nightmare on Wall Street: Washington Can’t Bail out the Sea of Red Ink” and “Economic Realities Are Killing Our Era of Fantasy Politics”.
Thanks.

Found the following post, interesting: NO COMMENT.

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by Iconoclast421 (Jul 22, 2008 7:06 AM)

Touching letter. I need a tissue.

And where is the father during all this? And whose fault is it that he’s not around? (His fault, I’m sure.)

It doesnt even matter whose fault it is. The point is that this single solitary relationship dynamic has claimed a great deal of damage to the economy. Single family homes are not too terribly efficient in their own right, but single parent homes are even more inefficient.

This single mother in Vermont’s story has been told millions of times in America. She went out and got impregnated by some guy because she thought he was cool or whatever, and for every other stupid reason women choose mates these days. She’s lucky she gets to survive making a mistake of such magnitude. Because most people who make that kind of mistake… they dont survive it. And neither does their offspring. Millions of women around the world die every year… simply from getting pregnant and not being able to support their child, and being destroyed in the process of trying. It’s an honorable way to go I suppose. It’s better than throwing the baby in the dumpster and going out and making another… but women need to understand that this aint no game. Choosing a mate is not the same thing as shopping for a pair of shoes. And it is certainly no accident that so many women seriously spend more time thinking about their next pair of shoes than they do trying to outline a strategy for finding a mate.

Stratergy? What’s that? I’m not supposed to do that. I’m just supposed to be a good little consumer and do what the tv tells me to do.
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Cyrena - July 26, 10pm

A brief lead-up to WWI:  It was a product of chauvinism, of ambitions for national prestige, of capitalist competition for markets and new fields of investment, of age-old hatreds between nations, of fears engendered by crises, and by the race for superiority in armaments.

When such factors combined to rule the constellation of events, political leaders were hardly more than playthings of fate.  In other words, WWI was inevitable?

It’s probably possible to go back through history or project into future history to see that most of the major events, such as wars, which occur are finally a combination of circumstances, personalities and the times.

cyrena, (July 26 at 10:00 pm)

Honestly cyrena, your response sounds like you are interested in a social worker theoretical BS discussion. I AM NOT IMPRESSED BY YOUR BS.

I say so: because besides having lived in black ghetto’s as the only ‘white bitch’ or ‘whitey’ around; slept next to Special Forces Assassins.

I also worked for a Republican President’s speechwriter, a cousin of the Shah of Iran, investment bankers in Connecticut, for the German Royal Family, and one of the families of the British Royal Family. I dealt with them personally, not via a bunch of lower level managers. Face to face in person. I always respected them enough to speak my mind, even when I disagreed. I considered it a higher form or respect, to be brutally honest with them, than to attempt to impress them with BS.

Let me give you just two honest responses from a British industrialist’s former wife:

‘The more unemployment there was, the better for business profits, because the lower we could manipulate the cost of labour.’

‘All the fancy charity balls we went to, really meant nothing, we really didn’t care about the poor; it was just pretend, we really didn’t even care about each other, or ever have any honest conversations with each other, we went to these balls, to impress people we didn’t even like, although we never had the courage to admit that to ourselves. It was only years after I got out of that pretend high society nightmare, that I realized I had been living a lie, and that none of those people who pretended to be my friends, who came to my parties, pretended to like me, were not my friends; in fact were anything but a true friend. Can you imagine, that when my husband finally died, my response was “I’m happy he is finally dead. The only thing beneficial about his death, is my freedom, from the lie I had been living.’

INFLATION: People are funny, they spend money they don’t have, to buy things they don’t need, to impress people they don’t like.

Your responses are entirely theoretical, like you read them somewhere in a book, and they sound nice and fluffy.

As for your social worker BS theoretics on risk:

When last did one of the Pentagon’s top Special Forces assassins grab you by your shirt, with his fist an inch from your face, threatening to kill you – which he could do in a matter of seconds by breaking your neck, without using any weapon, besides his hands— and you take the risk to take him up on his threat; with a ‘Don’t you g**damn fucking threaten me, unless you intend following through on your threat, I am not here to keep any of your g**amn secrets, unless you make prior arrangements with me, to keep any of your g**amn secrets. Is that g**amn clear? And if not, you better just follow through on your g**amn threat?’

As for your social worker BS THEORY ‘interesting’ articles: Thanks but no thanks.

YOUR FAILURE OF VISION, AND YOUR YOUTH WITHOUT VISION RESPONSE HAS BEEN NOTED: LOUD AND CLEAR.

You are an international law scholar – please tell me what the hell you know about RISK? Not theoretically, but EXPERIENTIALLY?

Until then, your theories, are just that:
INTELLECTUAL THEORIES, BASED UPON INTELLECTUAL SOCIAL WORKER B.S. FANTASIES, NOT – REALITY!!!

Reply to JMCSwan, July 26 at 4:44 part 1 of 2

Well JMCSwan,

I actually agree with a whole lot of what you say, and frequently. I agree with the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of University ‘educated’ people that have zero in common sense, and zero integrity and the like. You’ll never get a disagreement from me on that. The difference is that I refuse to engage in an either/or mentality, which is what I’ve discovered seems to be the overwhelming mentality of most Americans. Not all, but a majority.

So, while it’s true that a formal or structuralized education DOES frequently do a measure of brain washing and ‘teach’ an adherence to the status quo, that doesn’t make it useless. It is NOT a measure of intelligence, but the intelligent CAN use it to advantage of humanity. But no, one simply cannot ‘learn’ or ‘teach’ morality, integrity, or honesty in a University environment. Just as one obviously cannot ‘teach’ or ‘learn’ morality, integrity, or honesty in a ‘religious’ environment. People are either gonna do the right thing, as a combined result of their own individual ‘psychic’ DNA’s, and their individual and group experiences, or they aren’t. We cannot ‘control’ for everything. In fact, we can ‘control’ for very little.

•  How can you explain that it is the most educated people, since the beginning of ‘humanity’ (sic), who have created the mess the world is currently in? Succinctly: Peak Oil, Peak Water, Massive Overpopulation, Peak Food, Peak Money, basically Peak Everything.

I don’t agree with the premise that it is ‘the most educated people’ who have created the components of what you include as the ‘mess’ the world is currently in. I think it’s arrogant to believe that all of this stuff is created by ‘people’ alone, but rather unintended consequences based on a lack of knowledge, because knowledge is infinite, and the most ‘educated’ or intelligent among us, cannot even begin to acquire more than an iota of it in a life time.

You’re also a bit on the rhetorically expansive side here Swan. Since the beginning of humanity? Come on. Let’s break that down a bit. Can we at least begin with the beginning of civilization, and maybe the construction of the pyramids, or the introduction of the alphabet, or the introduction of the numerical system? And in considering those things, how do you suppose people have LEARNED this information? How do we become a nation of laws, if nobody knows what they are, or how to set the damn thing up? How do you suppose that people learn the science of healing? You’re negativity is based on a very narrow time frame, and that’s understandable enough.

HOWEVER, you can’t blame all of these things on humanity from the beginning, because it’s simply not the case. Your complaints are based on maybe a century of genuine screw-ups based primarily on the flaws of human nature. You choose to blame the ‘educated’ or the ‘intelligent’ for all the CURRENT problems of the world, when in fact there’s no guarantee that any one person or group of people is going to use their ‘education’ for good or for evil.

Example, one of my own mentors, who is a very brilliant old guy, once had Richard Perle as a student. I was shocked when he threw that little tid bit out. I was like, “My Dog! You should have FLUNKED him!!” His response was, “Well, at least I didn’t ‘indoctrinate’ him; at least not the right way.” (My mentor is a human rights attorney and an expert on international law). I should also mention that free thinking academics are constantly under pressure from the fascist for allegedly ‘indoctrinating’ students to an agenda that does NOT merge with the status quo. Why do you suppose that every time, in the history of dictatorial takeovers, the academics and intellectuals of the society are among the first targeted?

Part 2 of 2 reply to By JMCSwan, July 26 at 4:44

So you wonder why these so-called ‘educated’ people didn’t plan for conservation and the like. Well some did.. Not just ‘educated’ people have long ago considered these things, and the fact that they would ‘run out’ I’ve written before on the introduction of renewable energy sources to our own system here, because my very first home, (that I purchased myself) was equipped with a solar heating system. These are *not* new ideas. How long have people been using windmills to generate energy for all kinds of uses? And WHY didn’t those efforts persist? Because greedy people found a way to become enormously/obscenely wealthy on oil, and willfully stifled any thoughts/ideas/inventions that could interfere with their ultimate goals. These same people don’t concern themselves with the consequences for the rest of humanity, or even what will become of ANYONE, once they are gone. George Bush II has repeatedly said that in reference to his denials of global warming. Both specifically and in effect, he’s said, “What difference does it make, we’ll all be dead anyway?” (that’s after repeated denials that such a concern even exists).

And, most intelligent people (whether they are formally educated or not) know perfectly well that George W Bush has a very low intelligence level, and that his so-called ‘University” education is a sham. And yet, enough people voted for him, because he’d be a nice guy to have a beer with. Go figure. Sounds like a whole lot of folks, (educated or not) got ‘fooled’ a whole bunch of times, eh?

So on this question that you have, (even though I know it’s rhetorical):

“…And this is what we are supposed to consider superior intelligence, thanks to superior education, their legacy of ‘making their contribution to the rest of society’?..”

The answer would be a resounding NO! That is NOT what you’re supposed to consider, because needless to say, these people have absolutely NO interest in making any contributions to society. A wiser and less brainwashed population may have been able to figure that out.

OK…gotta go. I’m attaching a couple of articles you might find interesting.

Nightmare on Wall Street: Washington Can’t Bail out the Sea of Red Ink

http://www.alternet.org/workplace/92286/

Economic Realities Are Killing Our Era of Fantasy Politics
By Matt Taibbi, RollingStone.com.

http://www.alternet.org/workplace/91927/

Key word should be REALITIES. Americans have been encouraged to avoid such things for as long as I’ve been involved in this experience. (I’m 55). That doesn’t mean there aren’t those among us who insist on engaging with those realities, and an education (regardless of what ‘brand’ you choose) is critical to the process. Without some level of education, we are doomed to dependence on the minority that control the majority. Independence (specifically independent thinking) is probably the most expensive thing in life.

As the late Justice Earl Warren once said: “Everything I did in my life that was worthwhile, I caught hell for.”

I’m inclined to agree, since so far, my experience has been pretty much the same. It’s about the risk.

Cyrena (July 25 at 10:42 pm)

Interesting responses and dialogue. Thanks. Herewith my opinions:

Re: taxation and college education:

Some of the most allegedly university ‘educated’ people, are in some ways the most brainwashed. They consider themselves to be ‘educated’, yet it often appears they completely lost their common sense.

How can you explain that it is the most educated people, since the beginning of ‘humanity’ (sic), who have created the mess the world is currently in? Succinctly: Peak Oil, Peak Water, Massive Overpopulation, Peak Food, Peak Money, basically Peak Everything.

If ‘humanity’ is on a life-raft (all living on one planet, with finite resources), these people some consider EDUCATED, have not even considered the plausibility of conservation, rationing one of the most valuable commodities on the planet, for a stable economy: oil; and as for their economic theories on never ending debt based economic growth; they appear to have nominated themselves to ‘economic theory infallible popes’.

And this is what we are supposed to consider superior intelligence, thanks to superior education, their legacy of ‘making their contribution to the rest of society’?

Very few people seem to make the connection between HONESTY, INTEGRITY, and such similar characteristics BEING TOTALLY NONEXISTENT IN CURRENT POLITICS. Why? Corporate campaign finance! Remember Syriana: ‘Corruption is why we get to live as we do. Corruption is who we are.’

When corruption is the acceptable norm, which it is plausibly very close to, if not past the tipping point; then the most corrupt predators don’t care whom they eat for breakfast, lunch and supper.
Corruption is a nation of men, not laws. It is the opposite of a Constitutional Republic of a nation of laws, not men.

It’s like Americans – as the light on the hill, for the rest of the world—want politicians to treat them with integrity, honesty, etc., but absolutely REFUSE to consider the underlying causes of why, in the current corporate campaign finance system: NO HONEST POLITICIAN GETS ELECTED, CERTAINLY NOT TO THE PRESIDENCY. A few to Congress, such as: Ron Paul, Cynthia McKinney, and Dennis Kucinich.

What do Universities teach? Honesty, Integrity, Honour, Ethics? No – they teach how to fit in with the status-quo and how to maintain the status-quo.
And the high fees, mean that should you reach third or fourth year, or maybe your first few years in some law school; you are so deep in debt, you are a debt enslaved servant to the status-quo, you still have huge student loans to repay. Start some Erin Brokovich type rock the boat behaviour, and you are going to be out of your fancy little law firm, or stock broker, position, in no time; with no means to pay back your loans. You will have to file for bankruptcy, etc. etc. High flying corrupt corporate career: KAPUT.

The reasons for the high university fees are many: besides plain and simple theft. They are to compromise young idealistic minds, INTO THE STATUS QUO, NOT JUST IDEOLOGICALLY, BUT BY THEIR FINANCIAL BALLS. Remember ‘when you got them by the balls, their hearts and minds follow’?

Americans need to decide whether they choose to live by the maxim of ‘a country of laws, not men’ or a ‘country of men, not laws’. For good or ill, American choices, ripple outwards to the rest of the world.

If the latter, God – wherever he is—help us all!

cyrena, (July 25 at 11:07 pm)

Well cyrena, I certainly hope you are correct and I am incorrect, and that you have seen what I have not seen, youth with a better vision. I haven’t seen what you are describing, but if you have: I’m happy for you, and I apologise for not seeing what you see, or not having seen what you have seen; perhaps I am simply blind and don’t see what you see. Perhaps explain a little more clearly, what you are seeing and I am not seeing, if you don’t mind. Anyway, herewith my opinions to your aforementioned post.

The President is not the ‘warmonger’: THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE WARMONGERS. The President is only the ‘public relations’ part of the PEOPLE WHO ELECTED HIM, BY DIEBOLD OR VOTE.

You are correct, at times I am either arrogant, or ignorant, or both. Plausibly more the former than the latter, because quite simply, ignorance to me is a refusal to consider the issue based upon a preponderance of the THE FACTS, not WHAT I WISH THE FACTS TO BE, OR MY ILLUSIONS, OR WHAT WILL GET ME LIKED, CAUSE I JOINED THE HERD OF SHEEP. THE FACTS, AND THE FACTS ONLY.

Cyrena, have you lived in a warzone? Have you lived in one of these inner cities? Have you been one of the only white faces, for the next 10 blocks, lived next door to crips and bloods? Shared an apartment with ghetto blacks? How many of these former crips and bloods you visited in prison? How many of them have you paid for their paralegal or other vocational diploma’s they wanted to study while in prison? How many former Special Forces and Green Beret assassins slept in the bed next to you?
I ask, to determine whether this conversation you intend having is to be based on theoretical social worker BS, or reality?

Is it simply a theoretical conversation on what you imagine people in ghetto’s want, and think, as opposed to having lived next to them, or heard their stories, first hand, not as some BS social worker, but as a friend, as their next door neighbour; as the person whose door they knocked for some honest advice, because they knew you were a ‘whitey’ who wouldn’t lie to them, even if what you had to say wasn’t very pleasant to hear?

The best chance of an education for these people is an Obama presidency???????????

Yeah Obama, not to mention his Democratic Party Courtiers, is going to tell all those corporations, not to mention all the media who have given him lapdog free airtime, and sung his praises, to whom his candidacy is now enslaved; i.e ‘THEY GOT HIM BY THE BALLS, BIG TIME’. He is going to say to them ‘Go F^^k Yourselves, I have now decided, I am going to do what is in the best interests of the poor whites, blacks and browns; I am going to support giving them a decent university education.’

Cyrena, the future is going to GO BACK TO THE PAST. IT’S THE LAW OF ENERGY OF THERMODYNAMICS, OF ENTROPY. I don’t like it anymore than you do, but that don’t change the reality of where the future is going, in terms of energy usage, and skills required. Other factors however may change the nature of that future, which as YOURS TRULY always posts, shall be UP TO US.

We have used over half of the worlds primary source of energy, that fuelled the industrial revolution, and provided what Americans call their ‘prosperity’.
THE OIL PARTY IS OVER. And there ain’t ANY OTHER ‘WIND, WATER’ ETC, ENERGY SOURCES, THAT COMES REMOTELY CLOSE TO OIL. All of the alternative energy sources, COMBINED shall provide – approximately, at a maximum perhaps 20% of THE ENERGY THAT OIL, CURRENTLY PROVIDES, OR HAS PROVIDED.

I DON’T SEE THE YOUTH DEMANDING CHANGE, CAUSE I am not about to lie to myself, that I do. If I saw them demanding change, I’d be only too happy, to admit that I do. I don’t, much as I would wish to hope that I saw them demanding change. Hoping to see them demanding change, and actually seeing them demanding change are NOT THE SAME THING. The one is a fantasy, the other is reality.

cyrena (continued)

If you think I want a riot, then perhaps you haven’t read a thing about what I have written, or know anything about me. Not that you should. I know virtually nothing about you, besides a pen name of cyrena. I don’t even know if it’s your real name, or anything about you.

There is a difference between a MOB RIOT, and a militant spirit, within a militia or army that has a SOUL, and character of the soul: Homer Lea.
What I see a hell of a lot of, is mob rioting, whether intellectual, psychological, emotional or militarily. Integrity, honour, honesty, etc, are not ideals for many of this world’s citizens or leaders; many consider them despicable characteristics, to be vilified.

I see very, very little militant warrior spirits whose actions are determined by their character, and the corresponding character of their souls.

As for my vision, you are plausibly correct, maybe it ain’t any good. I’m not sure what you know about it though.

Short version:

In consideration of Homer Lea’s Geostrategic theories: If I was running for President, or if I found someone running for President on these ideas, they would get my support.

All citizens are required, subsequent to high school, to volunteer for three years military and police national service, one year of each. In the military year, they go through boot camp, learn the basics of military doctrine, self defence, including population factors vis a viz resource wars. In police service year, they learn the basics of police investigative work, the constitution, etc. In the last year, they spend 6 months with a national guard militia, and six months with a police department. Individuals who choose to stay on in the military subsequent to their national service, then go on to the Navy, Air Force, Special Forces, etc.

If or when, the President or Congress decides that a declaration of war is required against another country, for a war of aggression; then any and every citizen is capable of making the decision, based upon the information provided for the aggression, to support or not support the relevant war. Everyone who votes for the war, thereby conscripts themselves to fight in that war, in a military capacity.

Accordingly all those corporate warmongers, who like going to war, to rape other countries resources, thereby are capable of doing so, with their own commitment to give their lives, just like any soldier. With their vote, they shall conscript themselves into the Army.

With their police investigative training, when they read the nonsense in newspapers, that is not backed up with means, motive and opportunity facts, and reality – as was practiced by Michael Ruppert; then they ain’t so dumb to believe all the read in newspapers, much of which is just fanciful smoke and mirrors. Furthermore, those who become journalists, may themselves be better trained in the art of investigative work, and also have a bit of ‘boot camp’ courage, to actually write real investigative news stories.

cyrena (continued)

The result: A 100% EDUCATED POPULACE. A NATION THAT SHALL BE THE ENVY AND MODEL FOR ALL OTHER NATIONS, TO IMPLEMENT, FOR JUSTICE AND A NATION OF LAWS, NOT MEN. A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. A NATION THAT DOESN’T HAVE TO HIRE PUBLIC RELATIONS BULLSHIT ARTISTS TO SPIN STORIES ABOUT HOW GREAT IT IS, AND HOW IT IS THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE BRAVE, BECAUSE THE FACTS SHALL SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. IT SHALL BE THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE BRAVE.

In such a nation, there shall be no need for a political police state. How many judges shall sign off on false warrants of arrest for innocent people; how many police shall serve fraudulent warrants of arrest on an armed citizen, who knows his rights, and is a member of a local militia, who will defend him if he is innocent, or demand he get a free and fair trial?

Events that are used by politicians, or military politicians, etc. to justify wars, whether they be Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbour or 9-11; thereby provide all of those who choose to believe the prevailing ‘fantasy story’ for their enthusiastic revenge, to being ‘attacked’ by the allegedly unprovoked Japanese Kamikaze’s or the 19 Muslims with boxcutters, or similar; TO JOIN UP, PICK UP A GUN, SIT IN A BRADLEY, MARCH ACROSS AFGHANISTAN, ETC. ETC.

Now think about it, IF, you learn during your national service, the importance of low humane population policy, and the benefits of a nation of citizens who are every single one of them, capable of self-defence, who participate in their local militia’s keeping their sniper and other military skills up to date; are you going to vote for war, to spend billions and billions, to go hunt Osama Bin Laden, because the Pentagon bombed the World Trade Center, and itself?

If every American citizen was trained in self-defence, and could conscript themselves within days notice, to go fight in a foreign land; and every family home was capable of it’s self defence; and the American people’ weren’t thrusting their noses into other countries business, and trying to steal their resources, (i) how many countries would consider it their priority to be training Holy Jihadi warriors, to terrorize Americans; and (ii) how many countries would think twice about invading America, with ‘terrorism’?

If you – as some stockbroker, or investment banker—know the only way you can get your country’s military to go and steal the Middle East’s oil, is if you put a rifle on your shoulder, and put your life on the line, for the oil you want for your company’s bottom line, definitely not for the benefit of the American people; how many stockbrokers and investment bankers are going to vote for war?

So, that’s the short version of my ‘vision’, I’d be more than interested in how it compares to the ‘vision’ of the ‘youth’, you refer to ‘out there’, or your opinions, if you wish.

PS: US Army, CIA and Blackwater all declined my applications.

PPS: If Osama is such an intelligent terrorist: why are Al’Qaeda, wasting their resources fighting guerrilla wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, rather than training snipers to assassinate the world’s investment bankers, who are the real forces behind the American military bases in the Middle East, thereby creating real ‘terror’ in higher up places? Just a common sense theoretical military strategy question.

By JMCSwan, July 25 at 1:01 pm

•  “..Cyrena, do you really think these youngsters have better vision? What exactly is their ‘better vision’? For what? Or is it just like Obama’s ‘better vision’, more vague absurdities, that are not qualified and so not discussed, and really thought about, just some kind of wishful thinking, without any effort?”

Yes JMCSwan:

I know that they have better vision…at least the youth that I’m most exposed to, and that’s a lot of them. And they are the antithesis of these vague absurdities that you claim, since their recognition of what is going on around them is far, far, far, more developed than the people of my own generation. In short, THEY ARE PAYING ATTENTION.  And yeah, they not only THINK about this stuff, they discuss it, and they put a lot of effort into it as well.

Your suggestion that they don’t seem to be aware of the possibilities of a DRAFT, (under another warmongering president) is either arrogance or ignorance on your part, and maybe both. You ‘assume’ that these younger people are stupid, and that they don’t know that so many of them have already been used as cannon fodder. (mostly the black/brown/and poor whites) to fight imperial wars for the purposes of supporting Halliburton and their ilk.

But, let me be very clear when I say that THEY DO. They know it perfectly well, and they aren’t putting up with it.

•  “Wish I could be more positive, but simple voting at the ballot ain’t gonna change anything. Certainly not by voting for Obama.”

And, they know this too. They know that simply voting at the ballot booth FOR ANYBODY isn’t gonna change anything, if that’s ALL they do. They are prepared to take some responsibility for themselves, (unlike so many others in previous generations) as long as they know that the opportunities will at least be there. As long as there is a CHANCE. As long as they have at least a shot at an education, which should be a guarantee to every person in this country, if they want it. And they also know the best chance at THAT, is an Obama presidency.

How different do you think killing and dying in another country is from killing and dying at home, and in ones own neighborhood, which is what you suggest? Do you believe that the youth of the inner cities that have been killing and dying in their own ‘militias’ as you call them, (AKA gangs) actually PREFER that? Do you not suppose that the average parent would prefer to have their children holding books instead of AK-47’s, in the military or elsewhere?

And do you believe that ALL of us belonging to that generation that you seem to still be stuck in are unaware that the youth of today ALSO need the same survival skills that you mention? You’re living in a past that is exactly that swan. The past. And the youth of the day don’t necessarily need to use old methods, when there are others available.

And if you don’t see them demanding change, (as I do) then maybe your vision isn’t so good either.

If you wanna riot, start your own. There’s more than one way to skin a cat, and it helps to know them all.

By felicity, July 25 at 11:37 am #
With three granddaughters (one family) in California public universities this Fall, totalling $105,000/yr for tuition, board - not to mention books (and student loans almost non-existent) I kinda get that young people just might be a little pissed at the status quo.

A college education is absolutely necessary to make it in today’s America, or so we preach. But we deliver nothing to make it possible.
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Felicity, I hear you loudly and clearly, and would only reiterate that is the PUBLIC part of that university system that is costing $105,000 for your granddaughters. THAT is insane, for a so-called PUBLIC university!! And, yet, it’s the same for my sister’s three kids, and even for me, having returned 4 years ago, to the California public university system. There was actually a time when it was affordable. NOW, it’s like what’s going on? Are we trying to be Columbia or Harvard or Brown, or what the hell? We’ve been California tax payers for as long as they’ve been collecting taxes, doesn’t that count for SOMETHING? Jeeze…

And no…there are no loans, and in my area, they are not only doing nothing to make this possible, I’m starting to think they’re actually trying to make it more difficult. Affordable housing (at least in my area) is completely non-existent. They stack students up like pancakes, and charge them costs that would make Bill Gates cringe.

Still, we gotta do what we gotta do. Our contribution to the rest of society I suppose. An uneducated population is at least part of what has us in this mess to begin with.

RogerART.com, (July 25 at 7:10 am)

What kind of Rainbow colours house you interested in?

The Nelson Mandela Truth and Reconciliation ‘Rainbow’ sanctimonious Hypocrisy show?

or

The Rainbow Warrior Sellafield ‘g**damn change we can believe in’ Radical Honesty Rainbow show?

If the former, contact Mr. Nelson Mandela, at his Nelson Mandela Foundation website, or maybe even via TruthDig, they seem avid Nelson Mandela IQ fans. Don’t expect anything remotely resembling honourable conduct, or real rainbow results, within your community, or house, from NM TRC hypocrisy. Once he stood for something, now just an old hypocrit. But still there’s plenty of left-wing liberals, including on TruthDig, who for years believed what the mainstream media were feeding them on everything from 9-11, to economics, etc., and are now belatedly betrayed and furious, but dont seem to want to consider that what and who they think Nelson Mandela stands for, and what the mainstream media portrayed him as being for, could be massively flawed. Is it sad? Absolutely, the saddest part, being how he is flashing his betrayal to the left, and flinging it in their faces, laughing at them, as his idiot fans, and still they don’t ‘get it’.  They forget how he treated his wife, Winnie Mandela, who stood by his side, through his 27 years of prison, only for him to be released, and him to divorce her, as if all the strength she provided him with for 27 years, was worthy of nothing more than a politically convenient divorce. What kind of man does that? Who was the ‘real strength’ behind Nelson Mandela? Nelson Mandela’s own character, or the support from his wife, Winnie? Since he divorced Winnie, he’s become nothing but a sanctimonious two-faced gutless hypocrit and coward, in my opinion. Not that Winnie’s perfect, none of us are; but what kind of ‘Thank You, for being my rock for 27 years,’ is that, from this alleged ‘icon’? Icon of hypocrisy, that makes George Bush seem downright honest! So, left-wing liberals and Truth and Reconciliation rainbow dreamers: THINK LONG AND HARD, ABOUT WHY I SAY WHAT I SAY. And should you still want Mr. Mandela’s form of Truth and Reconciliation—you are more than welcome, more than welcome. You know how to contact the sanctimonious two-faced hypocrit. If that’s what you want, go get it.

The Democratic party and the ‘liberal left’ may support Nelson Mandela’s type of sanctimonious Truth and Reconciliation, and they are welcome to explore that option with the Republican Party and President G.W. Bush. Good Luck. But should I be incorrect, and the Republican Party and President Bush support sanctimonious Mandela-like Truth and Reconciliation, on 9-11 issues, etc., they are naturally more than welcome to explore such options, with the Democrats and Mr. Mandela and his sanctimonious hypocrit minions. 

If the latter: Rainbow Warrior Sellafield ‘g**damn change we can believe in’ Radical Honesty Rainbow. Join the minority of one: i.e. me. At least I haven’t been informed by anyone else, of their unequivocal committed support. Until I am, I am the minority of one.

Draad sitters (Afrikaner term for people sitting on the fence, incapable of making a decision, i.e. experiencing a decision-making paralysis) there are more than a few.

Peter, (July 25 at 5:11 am)

Whether the ‘engaged youth’ turn out in droves or not, those who do, and who vote for Obama, as some sort of ‘change’, with their expectations of “more government programs should help those struggling under current economic conditions,” might be in for the shock of their life.

As may be Obama, if he wins, and walks into the Oval Office, if his ‘change ideas’ are sincere,—which for his sake I hope they are, although he has clearly backpedalled on many to a large degree, giving an indication that he is aware of the reality, should he win the Presidency—and he has his first meeting with the Fed, and the Plunge Protection Team, only to find out there ain’t any money, for all these nice little welfare programs for the ‘engaged youth’. Just like what happened to Bill Clinton, when he walked into the Oval Office, with his first meeting with the Fed. Clinton responded by pumping, and I mean pumping with a capital ‘P’, the stockmarkets, with billions of drug money, to create the fake ‘economic miracle’ bubbles, of those times. It wasn’t real economic activity, Clinton stimulated, i.e. real value driven goods sold, and solid economic companies worth traded on Wall Street. It was predominantly cocaine and heroine profits, brought in through the four major drug courier states: New York, Florida, Texas and California. Also the exact same four states, known for their ‘significant’ cash ‘contributions’ to politicians, and a few other things too. Much of it was ‘debt based economic growth’ whereby Wall Street or other corporations who wanted to make a loan, could get a cheaper (lower interest, see M. Ruppert’s background on Drug War’s financial relationship to Wall Street) loan, from Drug Cartels, who thereby laundered—ie illegally legitimized—their drug profits, into the ‘economy’. Who knows how many of those loans have been repayed to the drug cartels?

Interesting questions, about really fundamental issues, related to the future of America, and what are over 90% of Americans focussed on, as the realities of their alleged future?

Disney World simplistically: It’s almost like watching a bunch of vultures, fighting about the remains of the Global Corporation Corpse, on a life-raft, in the middle of the ocean, too far from land, for them to find other food. If you had eagle eyes, you would realise that entering that vulture-zone with an offer of suggesting the vultures, practice what any idiots on a life-raft miles and miles from land, with little food left, would do: practice conservation, and equal sharing; via Nelson Mandela sanctimonious hypocrisy Truth and Reconciliation, would be the same as getting overboard and deciding to swim.

These vultures may not think Rainbow Warrior Sellafield ‘g**damn change we can believe in’ Radical Honesty Rainbow ‘conservation and sharing’ has got any merits, but at least it’s upfront. No giving the DNC vultures, or the RNC vultures, or any other vultures, any bigger slice of the corpse. Just a simple eagle eye analogy, for the few who may be interested.

What an oxymoronic misnomer: ‘engaged’, which implies commitment, by two parties towards another. Please show me one Presidential politician COMMITTED to these youth’s ‘engagement’? I don’t see any. An exaggeration of youthful naiveity, and reporting thereon. These youth are not ‘engaged’? Engaged to what, principles, ideas, what exactly are they allegedly ‘engaged’ to besides their ignorance?

By Konnie, (July 25 at 3:52 am)

Hopefully for them, they will be spared for the first time, Democratic politicians betraying them, and then belatedly they wished they had voted for Ron Paul, citizen participation responsibilities and duties, instead of just ‘citizen free handouts welfare’.

cyrena, (July 25 at 12:21 am)

Cyrena, do you really think these youngsters have better vision? What exactly is their ‘better vision’? For what? Or is it just like Obama’s ‘better vision’, more vague absurdities, that are not qualified and so not discussed, and really thought about, just some kind of wishful thinking, without any effort?

If their ‘engaged youth’ instinct for survival was really so strong,—considering their future makes the future of the sixties rioters, and protestors at Kent State, and all across the US against Vietnam—why arn’t they out in their millions, demanding change?

If things don’t really change, by means of the American electorate demanding change on a significant scale, as things get worse, I imagine there shall be some kind of diversionary war arranged, and all these youngsters with an instinct for survival, looking for their goverment programs to improve their economic conditions, shall find it at the nearest Army Enlistment Office, if not with a ‘DRAFT’ notice.

So instead of joining or creating community militia’s and taking back their communities and politics, they sit around and think their vote for Obama is going to change things, and next thing they will find themselves in what shall be an American MOB Army, as fresh cannon-fodder.

Wish I could be more positive, but simple voting at the ballot ain’t gonna change anything. Certainly not by voting for Obama.

Sad really. Instead of inspiring young people to use their youthful energy, to create long term fundamental change, the status-quo manipulates them to be nothing more than robotic short-term gadget status-quo consumers.

Simplistic example:

Instead of inspiring youngsters to spend a year as a Greenpeace volunteer, learning how to organize on minimal budgets, for large results, working cooperatively with diverse individuals for a common long-term objective, learning out of the box thinking and dialoguing brainstorm skills, enjoying adventures of groups sleeping in buses and sleeping bags, eyes bright with ideas for responsibilities and duties of living in harmony with nature. ...

They are inspired to think their ‘vote’ may change their future, as if Diebold gadgets don’t affect the results of elections; watching the absolute junk fed them on virtually every television channel’s version of the Jerry Springer show, and all that covert indoctrinated brainwashing advertising to ‘buy’ ‘buy’ ‘buy’, more and more gadgets, more and more ‘celebrity’ gossip.

Instead of preparing themselves for an energy shortage future—example: apply to spend a year or more, as a volunteer on an Amish farm—and to learn the related survival skills (See Stan Goff’s http://www.stangoff.com 35 skills or something to that effect, advice on energy descent preparation) they hope the politicians are going to save them, with yuppie welfare handouts.

With three granddaughters (one family) in California public universities this Fall, totalling $105,000/yr for tuition, board - not to mention books (and student loans almost non-existent) I kinda get that young people just might be a little pissed at the status quo.

A college education is absolutely necessary to make it in today’s America, or so we preach. But we deliver nothing to make it possible.

Here’s a little diddy that pretty much shows how our msm with its 5 or 6 owners are ‘managing’ things. It is an article from newsweek denying not just an inpending depression, or that we are ‘maybe’ close to a resession but how ‘strong’ our economy really is. I am dumbfounded because I cannot take for granted the accuracy of information coming from a msm source that is owned by one of the only 5 or 6 owners that go that extra mile to be sure you are given the information they want to to have.
And actually I think I will put this comment into the post here about ‘UK to Crack Down on Net Priacy’ as it is most likely related to that and soon to head our way.
But here’s the post:
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It’s all true, and the numbers bear it out.

And, that’s the way it should be. Nobody should be the least bit surprised that this generation is determined to take back their birthright and their futures.

The instinct for survival is probably far stronger in the younger than it is in the older..at least in general terms.

Their vision tends to be better as well.