Part 1 of 2
By maryt63nc,

•  “…His every word and action is under a microscope while McBush is getting away with flip-flopping, not paying all his property taxes, voting 95% conservative, questionable actions as POW, savings & loan scandals, lobbyists’ ties and lobbyists running his campaign, 26 years inside beltway activities, seeking endorsements fro radical pastors.  McBush has not been vetted, that’s bull, he’s been elevated to ‘he’s one of us’ status.”

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Ah, so you’ve noticed, eh maryt63nc?

It’s pretty amazing, eh? While the original Bush is literally killing us, and the McClone of the same is ready to continue, everybody’s got time to nit pick insignificant bullshit about Barack Obama. The McBush Clone has more dirt in his senile closet than one could even begin to bulldoze, so maybe that’s why nobody is much interested in the damage he would do, specifically in installing a reactionary judiciary, that would effectively finish us off.

Same for AnneMullins here

By AnnMullins, July 8

•  “I’m sick. You are killing yourselves in front of me. Where did this army of children come from that are digging a hole under Obama with their little spoons? Don’t you know that you’re working for McCain, and that McCain is working for King Capital that will soon own us all? I disagree with Obama on issues, but I support him for president 100 percent. He’s the only one who would listen to us if we’d stop digging at him and use our little spoons to build a unified voice.”

I agree with everything except the fact that he can build a unified voice. I’ve been reading these same hateful nit-picky and mostly insignificant comments from the same posters for far too long to believe that they can ever be saved from their basic hate…this army of children with their little spoons, (great way to describe them too) digging this hole under Obama, like starving people would choose to take what food finally materializes, and drag it through the gutter and then dip it in sand. So, they can’t be ‘united’.

I too disagree with Obama on some issues, but none of the ones that these children are whining about.

The most important thing I think you said here though, is that Obama IS THE ONLY ONE WHO WOULD LISTEN, (because he’s already proven that, time and time again), if they weren’t so busy trying to dig at and bury him. I can only guess at this point, that these people are too stupid, or so used to being treated like the masses that don’t matter, that they must like it. I mean really. Can anyone of these posters claim that the current regime has EVER responded to any of us, either collectively or individually?

OF COURSE NOT? And, neither has the senile McSame.
Nope, these are petty little people who didn’t get their way when they planned on HRC. Or, their paid to do the standard GOP divide and conquer thing. Nothing new here.

Like this from Pat

•    “Obama’s history of growing up under the Communist government under Suharto doesn’t reasonably dispute that he may be more Constitutional than Bush. The views of the Supreme Court and Constitutional government included in his autobiography clearly indicate he is cut from the same cloth.”

Let’s face it. This is either blatant ignorance, or just blatant swiftboating. Obama didn’t ‘grow up” under Suharto’s government, seeing as he only lived there for a few years, and was back in Hawaii by the time he was 6 or 7.
As for Obama’s views of the Supreme Court, they are the opposite of the Suharto gov, and anybody with a brain cell would know that. In fact, Obama is our ONLY chance of preventing a Supreme Court that would throw us back to the stone age.

The mention of Suharto’s government is about as low-lifed as a repug troll can get. Of course everytime I say that, one of them comes up with something worse.

Part 2 of 2

“By Uche,

•  “What is it about rational people being flexible on crucial issues for the sake of making better decisions, that the press and the american public can’t understand?”

Good question Uche. Answer in a nutshell: They are either stupid or racist, probably both. They don’t WANT to understand. Give the poorest among them a million dollars, and they would complain that the serial numbers on the bills weren’t in order, and throw it back in the givers face. (especially if it was a brown or black face).

Here’s an example from troublesum

•  “Obama opposed the war from the beginning.” Obama wasn’t there at the beginning and has voted for funding the war every time it has come up.”

Just ignorant is all we can say, since most of us know very well that Obama was VOCALLY AND VISABLY against this war before it was launched. Troublesum was obviously out for drinks or whatever. Most people heard him loud and clear.

As for funding it, same thing…just ignorant. The war was already 3 years old before Obama got to the Senate. The REALITY on the ground there, (along with over 100,000 of our troops) made it a necessity to fund. But sickly troubled troublesum and other Obama haters will use that same irrational lie over and over again.
•  ”Voters know that MCCain is more likely to continue to continue the war.” Which voters?  How does Dionne claim to know how all voters are thinking and what they accept and expect?”

Here we go again. More of the obvious ignorance or perfidy. How does Dionne know? Maybe because he figures that VOTERS ACTUALLY PAY ATTENTION to what McSame has been saying for years. How stupid can anyone be? McSame has made no secret that he intends to continue the wars. So, THOSE voters! The ones who’ve heard the man say it, over and over again.

Geeze…the willful ignorance is beyond excusable, because it IS willful ignorance.

So, we can only hope that rational people will prevail. It’s like Inherit has said…the stakes are far, far, far too high, and everything the repugs have touched has created disaster here and throughout the globe.

These psychologically and emotionally impaired posters like troublesum seem perfectly happy to commit mass suicide and take the rest of us with them, all because of what boils down to their petty biases and the fact that they hate themselves.

Or, like in Pat’s case..sheer racism, unless he’s a hired troll for the repugs.

To Leefeller, does the truth hurt. I hope you get all the government cheese you can handle. Sit back and let uncle Obama take care of you like the good Communist you are. I hope the green job he is promising you is as good as the snow job your getting. Dummy

I’m sick.
You are killing yourselves in front of me.
Where did this army of children come from that are digging a hole under Obama with their little spoons? Don’t you know that you’re working for McCain, and that McCain is working for King Capital that will soon own us all?
I disagree with Obama on issues, but I support him for president 100 percent. He’s the only one who would listen to us if we’d stop digging at him and use our little spoons to build a unified voice.

Nice work. Obama or McCain can’t be trusted as far as what the ruling class expects from the two major candidates on foriegn policy. Which right now regretably seems focused on destability.
But what else can you expect from the two candidtates cow-towing to the AIPAC lobby! Status quo Politics! Change? - Not!

Allow me to be more specific about Obama’s “core values” on war and peace. His record on Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan shows that he has no core values at all.  He has only positions which change based on risk assessment that he may be called “unpatriotic” or naïve.  In the run-up to the invasion of Iraq Obama stated to the Chicago Tribune that he was not opposed to all wars, only to “dumb” wars. He made it clear that he considered the invasion of Iraq a “dumb” war. Once in the Senate, Obama voted several times to fund the “dumb” war in Iraq even though his vote would not have defeated the funding. In other words he had a so-called “free nay vote” every time but did not use it to show his opposition. Why? His argument was that he had to “support the troops” was fair enough but “supporting the troops” also meant “supporting the war”. With regards to Iran, the House of Representatives is now preparing to vote on a resolution to close off Iran physically from the rest of the world with a blockade which nearly all experts on international law consider to be the equivalent of a declaration of war on Iran. Not a peep from candidate Obama. Why? Does he consider a war with Iran to be a “clever” war? Why is he hiding? This is not a trivial matter or a Republican ruse to trip him up but one of life and death for Americans and Iranians. By remaining silent he associates himself with the Bush/Cheney camarilla. Why? Is AIPAC the answer? On Afghanistan, still an ally in the so-called “war on terrorism” Obama has stated his willingness to invade Pakistan’s territory to flush out Al Quaida’s. That is not “dumb”?

When it comes to war only one President has fully kept his “core promise” and that was Eisenhower. Not a promising track record for the future, I surmise.

Yes we can… replace a miscreant with a recreant?

Say it ain’t so; I kind of wanted an oh-so-tiny sliver of Obama to be a bit less aggressively shitty than this.

Iraqis overwhelmingly wants us out. Americans couldn’t agree more. This majority decision represents the interests of both democratic societies. What is left to be done by our president and institutions? I’ve spoken, you’ve spoken, and they’ve spoken. It is time for our governments to man up and simply do as they’re told.

Throw whatever shit against the wall, you can dream up, no matter how false and fake it is.  That’s modern Re-thug-lican political strategy.  Make it up, fake it up, but get it into the news cycle—and everyone will “remember” that Obama “flip-flopped” on Iraq when he’s been saying the same things for 18 months.

It’s as real as “recovered memory” where the incompetent therapist plants the memory of something that never happened—because there’s no mechanism to control against fals memory implantation.

SERE GUY,

Yeh! Just look at the all so socialist medical plan Obama wants to save us with, yes quite the socialist. Just keep your head where the sun don’t shine.  Why did you say the S word instead of the C word, so 1950’s of you. What’s this “you” crap?

Why don’t you define socialism for us, since you claim to be such an expert.

GMONST - good job. We progressives and independents, unfortunately, continue to blindly take the bait planted by the opposition.  (And after it’s all over we wonder why we’re yet again mere food for ravenous Republican gormands?)

I see the term progressive is now being thrown around, to replace liberal. Don’t be afraid to call yourself what you are, Socialist. Then we would all know what Obama really stands for. He wants to progress towards Socialism.

I can’t help but feel that the latest round of Obama news is really a trap for progressives laid out by the GOP with the help of the media propaganda machine.  I also can’t but think that as a group progressives are falling into it.  We all knew the right wing attacks would come, but could they be more clever than we thought?  It seems to me like a loose the forest for the trees approach.  Painting Obama as a flip-flopper, or as not strong enough on terrorism are the obvious ploys we would expect, but thats not all thats happening.  It also has the affect of keeping McCain and his appalling plans out of the public scrutiny, and distracting progressives as they argue the minutia of Obama’s policies.  Along the way progressives are divided (so as to be conquerable) and loose a lot of enthusiasm.  Then come the voices decrying that all politicians are dishonest crooks and Obama is just another one of the crooks.  This causes more apathy because its promoting a damned if you do damned if you don’t mentality.  People tend to do nothing if they think they have nothing to gain.  Arguing over Obama and weather or not he will be the Golden-Boy some thought he was is not really pertinent.  He is a human being and therefor not perfect.  He won’t be a perfect president, his policies will not be perfect, and they country won’t be perfect after years of an Obama presidency.  This is the real world, and perfection is not part of the picture when dealing with government.  We can just try to make it as good as we can.  Obama is intelligent and shows a willingness to let the circumstances dictate policy more than a fixed ideology.  That ability should be lauded and not decried.  I don’t want a static president with a static ideology that drives all decisions.  That was Bush in a nutshell, in fact no president has ever gone so far beyond the pale in support of a ideology.  Progressives should be stressing loudly and clearly how bad McCain’s policies will be for America, many times worse than Obama’s by any count.  It should be really no contest for progressives to choose Obama in this election, and those who suggest otherwise are helping the GOP, whether or not they believe or know it.  Voting for Nader doesn’t help, dissecting Obama’s words doesn’t help, and failing to point out the magnitude of McCain’s bad plans doesn’t help.  Keep debating Obama and miss the one chance we have to keep this country from going down the tubes.  Progressives should be united and clear in supporting Obama.

Obama is having a hard time figuring out what group he needs to pander to on a specific issue.  He makes no mistakes, he blames them on his staff.  And when he can’t, he makes another attempt at trying to explain what was originally said to changing it to what he thinks people want to hear.
He wants it both ways on about every issue he preaches. He’s left, he’s center.
Does he have any one issue that he truly believes and will stand by to the end?
The only thing going for him is that he knows most voters are fickle and can be swayed very easily.
Unless these people WAKE-UP, he knows that no matter what he says and does, it will make no difference.
Unfortunately for the un-dazed voters, this is the sad truth of how politics goes and probably why they are uninterested in voting and getting involved at all.

“Shameless shape-shifter” (successor to flip-flopper?) is but one more tiresome epithet lifted from the Republican arsenal of epithets.  ‘Defending’ against them is impossible.  Exposing them for what they are is the way to go.

I put them in the same category as trying to mount a defense against the label anti-semite when one criticizes the state of Israel. There is no defense against the label anti-semitic.  Closer to home, how about trying to defend against being called a ‘terrorist’ when one criticizes the actions of this government. Isn’t any.

I’m sure Obama could rip the epithets into shreds, so why isn’t he.  Nuancing or ‘explaining’ or justifying or redefining his stands on issues do nothing more than evoke images of a guy jousting with windmills.

Obama’s miserable performance on FISA, Iran, Iraq, Palestine, faith based programs and other shifts into conformance with the once conservative, now radical right are leaving me disgusted.

Why should I believe any Democrat who promises to uphold the Constitution, and act to the long term benefit of the US, its citizens, and the world? The 2006 Congressional majority behaves as though it is the wussies auxiliary of the neocons.

Will I vote for Obama—most likely. But this year my money goes to the ACLU and the EFF. They are doing far more to protect us from a government that is out of control, than any Democrat with the exception of Dennis Kucinich.

I for one, am not sure who Obama is. I own a small business with employee’s who’s jobs could be a stake. I barely make it now, and could not stand a tax increase.  I provide medical insurance and would not be able to support my employees and national heath care. I have been trying to save for my retirement, and he wants to increase my tax there as well. He says he wants to help the little guy, but I’m not seeing it. Does he want to help, or put more people on the government entitlement programs.

Why is Obama listening to the same people who lost the 2004 election with John Kerry, the 2000 election with Al Gore (Yeah, I know—Florida and the popular vote—but if it had been done right, Fl would haven’t been relevant), nearly lost the 1996 election (Clinton only had a plurality), and did lose the 1994, 1996, 2000, 2002 and 2004 Congressional elections?

Shouldn’t he be listening to the people who won the 2006 election and the nomination? I wouldn’t take any advice from the Clinton brain trust, but I would from Howard Dean and company.

The stakes are too high to blow it.  EVERYTHING the GOP has touched for 7 years has been a disaster, yet the American public is too stupid to make it OBVIOUS that the GOP is going to be thrown out.  Just the next Supreme Court appointments should be enough for 65% to 70%  of the voting public…

“Obama opposed the war from the beginning.”  Obama wasn’t there at the beginning and has voted for funding the war every time it has come up.
“Voters know that MCCain is more likely to continue to continue the war.”  Which voters?  How does Dionne claim to know how all voters are thinking and what they accept and expect?