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Posted on Jul 1, 2008

By William Pfaff

PARIS—A basic argument in Washington’s war on terror, an argument that one might think settled by now, concerns whether al-Qaida is the powerful global organization the Bush administration says it is or whether it has been, since its retreat into the Pakistan tribal areas, mostly an Internet phenomenon.
This is a serious debate in American academic terrorism circles, featuring Bruce Hoffman of Georgetown University, who insists that al-Qaida today is more dangerous than ever. That is the conventional belief in the U.S government and among the academic and think-tank specialists favored by the Bush administration—which has been, after all, al-Qaida’s greatest publicist, regularly announcing alerts against a terrorist outrage which then doesn’t take place, doubtless because of the American warning.

This definition of al-Qaida also carries the clout of American and European bureaucratic interest. If it is false, a lot of official money is being wasted.

On the other side of the argument, according to a recent New York Times report, is Marc Sageman. In agreement with him is a significant part of the West European domestic security community.

Sageman is a Polish-born psychiatrist, sociologist and consultant to the New York Police Department. He sees al-Qaida in Europe and the United States largely as “a bunch of guys hanging out,” looking for drama, excitement and something to do with their lives.

This proved to be the case in the Madrid train bombings of 2004 and the London subway attack in 2005. Both initially were assumed to be the work of organized international terrorism, but it was soon found that the bombers were self-organized, found their own funds and bought their own explosives. In the case of planned but aborted London region attacks in 2004 and 2005, individuals among the planners were subsequently found to have been to the Pakistan camps.

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The French police, who have experience going back to the Algerian liberation war as well as to three bombing attacks by Algerian fundamentalist militants in Paris in 1995, were convinced, following the Afghanistan war, that young European Muslims who went abroad to join the jihad would come back as a serious security threat to Europe.

More recently, the same officials have reported that the training mechanism they feared isn’t working. Young Muslim volunteers are lacking, discouraged by their families and by the experience of those who had left earlier to wage war in Iraq. The latter found that the insurgent groups in Iraq had little use for them since they didn’t know Arabic or the local terrain and political situation, or even possess military skills, and the employment offers that the volunteers got were mostly to become suicide bombers, which was not the heroic role they had in mind.

A recent report on Islamist extremism in Algeria emphasizes al-Qaida’s promotional value. In 1991, an Islamist party won parliamentary elections, which then were annulled by the military government. A peculiarly brutal terrorist campaign followed, and in 1995 the insurgents bombed Paris because of its support for the military government.

The nature of the extremists’ campaign in Algeria turned civilians against them, and eventually the militant movement faded, with some of its more enthusiastic members going off to Iraq to join the global jihad.

They linked up with militants there who already had gained worldwide publicity by calling themselves “Al-Qaida in Mesopotamia” and taking advice (to stop attacks on civilians) from the original al-Qaida in Pakistan. The Algerian militants were impressed. According to the account of a former member, they “lacked enough weapons; the people didn’t want to join, and money—we didn’t have enough money.”

So they decided to declare themselves “Al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb.” This won them financial contributions and a new identity as members of the global jihad, rather than mere enemies of the Algerian government. They were inspired to arrange a series of suicide bombings during the past year, attacks on foreign workers, including Russians and Chinese, and upon tourists, and last December they carried out a spectacular suicide truck bomb attack on U.N. and Algerian government offices in Algiers.

Some connected with the group attribute this new energy to the United States government’s designation of them as a global terrorist organization. Before 9/11, the U.S. had been of no particular concern to the Algerians, who were focused on their own campaign inside Algeria, and American government analysts also categorized them as a mere regional insurgency.

However, the Bush administration likes to dramatize the numbers of its enemies so as to bulk up its propaganda about the global threat to Americans, so it put the Algerians on its list of enemies of freedom—although, according to American military sources, the Algerians even today are thought to number only 300 to 400 fighters, with an additional 200 or so supporters throughout the country.

The current head of the radical movement, a university mathematics graduate named Abdelmalek Droukdal, told The New York Times, in an audiotape responding to questions sent to him, “If the U.S. administration sees that its war against the Muslims is legitimate, then what makes us believe that our war on its territories is not legitimate?”

What all this seems to add up to is evidence of the power of advertising and public relations, even in terrorism.


Visit William Pfaff’s Web site at www.williampfaff.com.

© 2008 Tribune Media Services, Inc.


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By jack, July 8, 2008 at 12:53 pm #
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9447

That’s the strategy, developed here
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27/054.html

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By PatrickHenry, July 8, 2008 at 6:18 am #

re: cyrena, July 7 at 8:55 pm #

As always you hit the nail on the head.

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By cyrena, July 8, 2008 at 6:06 am #

By mrmb, July 7 at 2:45 pm #

Must read
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va& aid=9447

State-Sponsored Terror: British and American Black Ops in Iraq

By Andrew G. Marshall

Global Research, June 25, 2008

Shining Light on the “Black World”
In January of 2002, the Washington Post ran a story detailing a CIA plan put forward to President Bush shortly after 9/11 by CIA Director George Tenet titled, “Worldwide Attack Matrix,” which was “outlining a clandestine anti-terror campaign in 80 countries around the world. What he was ready to propose represented a striking and risky departure for U.S. policy and would give the CIA the broadest and most lethal authority in its history.” The plan entailed CIA and Special Forces “covert operations across the globe,” and at “the heart of the proposal was a recommendation that the president give the CIA what Tenet labeled “exceptional authorities” to attack and destroy al Qaeda in Afghanistan and the rest of the world.” Tenet cited the need for such authority “to allow the agency to operate without restraint—and he wanted encouragement from the president to take risks.” Among the many authorities recommended was the use of “deadly force.”

Further, “Another proposal was that the CIA increase liaison work with key foreign intelligence services,” as “Using such intelligence services as surrogates could triple or quadruple the CIA’s effectiveness.” The Worldwide Attack Matrix “described covert operations in 80 countries that were either underway or that he was now recommending. The actions ranged from routine propaganda to lethal covert action in preparation for military attacks,” as well as “In some countries, CIA teams would break into facilities to obtain information.”[1]

~P2OG: “Commit terror, to incite terror… in order to react to terror”~

In 2002, the Pentagon’s Defense Science Board (DSB) conducted a “Summer Study on Special Operations and Joint Forces in Support of Countering Terrorism,” portions of which were leaked to the Federation of American Scientists. According to the document, the “War on Terror” constitutes a “committed, resourceful and globally dispersed adversary with strategic reach,” which will require the US to engage in a “long, at times violent, and borderless war.” As the Asia Times described it, this document lays out a blueprint for the US to “fight fire with fire.” Many of the “proposals appear to push the military into territory that traditionally has been the domain of the CIA, raising questions about whether such missions would be subject to the same legal restraints imposed on CIA activities.” According to the Chairman of the DSB, “The CIA executes the plans but they use Department of Defense assets.”

Specifically, the plan “recommends the creation of a super-Intelligence Support Activity, an organization it dubs the Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group (P2OG), to bring together CIA and military covert action, information warfare, intelligence and cover and deception. For example, the Pentagon and CIA would work together to increase human intelligence (HUMINT) forward/operational presence and to deploy new clandestine technical capabilities.” The purpose of P2OG would be in “‘stimulating reactions’ among terrorists and states possessing weapons of mass destruction, meaning it would prod terrorist cells into action, thus exposing them to ‘quick-response’ attacks by US forces.”[2] In other words, commit terror to incite terror, in order to react to terror.

More at the link above as posted by mrmb. It *is* a must read.

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By cyrena, July 8, 2008 at 12:55 am #

Patrick Henry,

It was only a matter of time before nilo got to you as well. He has literally badgered, harassed, and slandered every body on this website, who doesn’t buy the Official Lies of 9/11. People put up with it for a while, and then simply blow him off. Until this past week, he’s never even bothered to comment about anything UNLESS it is related, (directly or indirectly) to 9/11.

Matter of fact, it came out about a month or so ago, in one of his posts, that it’s his full time life-long job to go around anywhere these truths are being discussed, and to basically shout them down and out, by insulting those who are posting the truth. I honestly don’t know how he’s gotten away with it for this long. Maybe nobody bothers to report him. Maybe we should.

This is the latest talking point, which he’s posted at least 4 times in the past week..

•  … the bar for evidence so low you can trip over it.

He doesn’t get the paradox at all, in that HIS bar for evidence is so low that he’s tripped over it, (long ago) and never been able to get back up since. So, he’s still licking the dirt of the original lies, despite the SIMPLEST evidence that proves it to be lies. He even claims that he provided me with evidence from the NTSB, even though the NTSB was no where to be found in the aftermath of 9/11, and isn’t even mentioned in the Official 9/11 Commission Report.

He wants so badly to believe and deceive at the same time, (or maybe he’s worried that that all has been exposed and could lead to him) that he makes up every straw man argument in the book, and then recycles them, because he’s long since run out of straws. (destroyed them all blowing hot air).

So, while I would say that it’s not worth bothering with him, it probably is worth bother enough to run him off, because he’s beyond just annoying at this point. The personal attacks (like calling me insane and all the rest of it) wouldn’t be tolerated anywhere else, so I don’t know why they should be tolerated here.

He seems to go into near hysteria every time a know truth or piece of common sense is posted that shatters his efforts at keeping a lid on it, but it doesn’t seem to be enough to keep him from coming back.

Jack already told him it was time to ask for a different assignment, but Nilo is committed to squelching, distorting, or covering up any truth about 9/11, so he’s not likely to move on to any other assignments…at least not willingly. Maybe he’s being blackmailed.

Still, I think he should just ask his handlers for permanent disability. I’d vouch for him.

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By PatrickHenry, July 7, 2008 at 4:59 pm #

re: niloroth, July 7 at 5:18 am #

So, you equate my criticism and suspicion of Israeli complicity in 9/11 with blaming jews….everywhere.
An old flip flop.

Next, your claim of me wearing a Nazi armband is old hat for your obvious “chosen” status.  Get a new arguement, yours lacks merit or “facts and evidence” as your platform suggests. 

Your claim of “9/11 deniers” is a misnomer.  I do not deny 9/11 happened nor do I deny that my government has lied to me on many instances during this admistration.  They cannot be trusted, then and especially now…...fruit of the poisonous tree.

You must be an atheist, as no one I have ever met who insists on insurmountable “facts and evidence” as you do, can believe in god.

All things in time will reveal themselves as you have Nil.

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By cyrena, July 7, 2008 at 3:45 pm #

“.. I hate to admit it, but it appears they’ve won this one. Listen to “concerned liberals” debate torture. Of course, none support it, but many are heard to say something like. “...but we understand the need to defeat terrorism.”

You’re probably right Jack. Maybe it’s me in denial, since I’ve known the real deal for so long. So many of them (these so-called ‘concerned liberals”) like Dershowitz and others, have actually tried to make the torture question legal.

What about NO TORTURE - EVER, under ANY circumstances, is that hard to understand?

We have here in my academic community what I call our ‘torture expert’, Dr. Lisa Hajjar. I swear there’s nothing she doesn’t know about it. She attended a ‘torture convention’ in Chicago back in the winter term, and since I was unable to attend myself, I’d hoped to learn how that went over, but so far I’ve not had an opportunity to get the scoop in details.

She only says that there were the ‘experts’ and the amateurs, in the debate, and the amateurs were pretty much beat up on, because of this stupid scenario that they always fall back on..the ticking bomb scenario.

Well, such a scenario simply does not exist, and we all know it. (or at least anybody who’s crazy enough to embrace the torture debate knows it).

The saddest of all is the fact that this debate even exists. Who would have thought that we’d ever even be discussing such a thing in the US?

But I agree that the whole point is to terrorize ALL of us, and I have to also agree that it’s working.

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By jack, July 7, 2008 at 1:41 pm #
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RE: ... the bar for evidence so low you can trip over it.

This fits perfectly the 9/11 Commission’s mission, essentially to reinforce the Cover Up (i.e. the gang of 19 [patsies], run by a dialysis cripple, all on a laptop from a cave in the Hindu Kush).

The Commission systematically ignored any and all evidence that contradicted the Official Conspiracy Theory. Give it up, nilo. The evidence is overwhelming. The Cover Up is too thoroughly deconstructed…

Time to call in for another assignment, bub.


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Cyren - RE: I don’t believe this will ever take over the way that fake scare was conjured-up to be.

I hate to admit it, but it appears they’ve won this one. Listen to “concerned liberals” debate torture. Of course, none support it, but many are heard to say something like. “...but we understand the need to defeat terrorism.” The psy-op is working everywhere, just as in Europe with Gladio, just as in Palestine for 60 years. Fact: The King David Hotel (מלון המלך דוד) was blown up by the Irgun, the pre-state underground led by Menachem Begin.

Consider this: Evidence is overwhelming that the shadow intelligence nexus literally runs the Global War Of Terror. They know everything that’s going on, so why do they need to torture anyone? Answer: to TERRORIZE US ALL. Any of us could be next. Once suddenly disappeared into the Torture Gulag, who’d know where to look for you or how to save you. This is the essential mission of the torture. This shadow nexus is the legacy of British strategies to discredit indigenous self-determination movements in the colonies as the empire unraveled, through techniques codified in training manuals developed by British General Frank Kitson, Operation Phoenix (CIA’s Vietnam assassination program) and the School of the Americas, which trained the thugs who terrorized the populations under despots all over the world, on the pretext of fighting none other than Monolithic Communism…now read Islamofascism, and its the same ol’ same ol’ - long-term black-op/psy-op…

The terror is real. The torture is real. The agenda is the lie, and who benefits? The New World Oligarchy!

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By niloroth, July 7, 2008 at 9:18 am #

Oh, what a surprise, the 9/11 deniers are blaming the jews again.  Some company leaves the state before 9/11, and that is proof for you?  I have news for you, that is only proof if you are already wearing a swastica armband.  And in something that certainly didn’t surprise me, there is reference to an unnamed CIA source.  As i have said, 9/11 deniers set the bar for evidence so low you can trip over it.

And your flat earth analogy doesn’t work.  The earth has never been flat, and the evidence fits that theory.  Although it wouldn’t surprise me if you were a flat earther.

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By cyrena, July 7, 2008 at 5:10 am #

Thanks Jack! For this great info…


•  “…This plan is based on the Gladio Strategy of Tension, successful in ratcheting up the Cold War in the late 70’s. The scheme was fully exposed in Italian Parliament hearings, ca. 1990. Gladio was run by CIA/MI-6 operatives, directing European “stay-behind” networks. It’s obvious Mossad has joined this nexus. Replacing the arch bogyman of Monolithic Communism is the new bogyman, Islamofascism.”…

I’d never heard of this Gladio Strategy, so this is really, really helpful. I’ve saved the links to review later in the day. I’m about half-way through Webster Tarply’s “Synthetic Terror” which also answers a bunch of my own questions.

And of course I’ve read everything to date, (I think) from Nafeez Ahmed. Certainly more and more becomes available everyday. Indeed, this (Islamofascism) is a replacement of the arch bogyman that was Monolithic Communism. But for whatever the reasons, I don’t believe this will ever take over the way that fake scare was conjured-up to be. I’m not sure I can adequately explain why that is, aside from the fact that information is more available now, and there are still rationale minds that will seek out rational explanations for these things.

Thanks again.

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By cyrena, July 6, 2008 at 8:06 pm #

Another thanks for another link Patrick Henry. I didn’t know about Zim either, and the 17th floor no less.

And then the verifier…

Where did they move TO?

Well, I’ve been saying it for 6 years…ALL ROADS LEAD TO HOUSTON TEXAS.

(It’s the shadow capital of the invisible government).

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By jack, July 6, 2008 at 6:10 pm #
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RE: http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/7305

...a Zim ship is impounded while attempting to ship Israeli military equipment to Iran; it is speculated that this is done with the knowledge of Israel. [AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE, 3/29/2002]

This fits perfectly with long-circulating reports that Israel funds HAMAS

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL03139119

It becomes clearer by the day that the Global War Of Terror is a long-term black-op/psy-op, designed to destabilize indigenous, self-determinant movements and fail any and all democratic states in geopolitically strategic regions.

This plan is based on the Gladio Strategy of Tension, successful in ratcheting up the Cold War in the late 70’s. The scheme was fully exposed in Italian Parliament hearings, ca. 1990. Gladio was run by CIA/MI-6 operatives, directing European “stay-behind” networks. It’s obvious Mossad has joined this nexus. Replacing the arch bogyman of Monolithic Communism is the new bogyman, Islamofascism.

http://www.answers.com/topic/operation-gladio

For the deep research, study Webster G. Tarpley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FDODHj_6uM
and Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed
http://books.google.com/books?as_auth=Nafeez+Mosaddeq+Ahmed

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By PatrickHenry, July 6, 2008 at 4:46 pm #

re: niloroth, July 5 at 12:01 pm #

That would be your own evidence and facts.  New evidence comes out every day on the truth

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/7305

By your reasoning the world would still be flat unless the “fact” evolved.

“In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act”.

George Orwell

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By jack, July 6, 2008 at 1:09 pm #
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RE: By niloroth, July 5 at 12:01 pm #
I believe…Sucker

The “evidence and the facts.”  of Bush Co. are not those of tricksters and com men? Who’s the Sucker?

Too rich to be scripted.

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By jobart, July 5, 2008 at 5:43 pm #
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As in “why” hasn’t Israel signed on to the NPT ??  One would think, at least one with half a brain, to question the Israeli’s resistance to sign on to this treaty/agreement with the rest of the world. Why haven’t they? Why haven’t they been coerced/forced to do so? They take our money, a.k.a. $ assistance, don’t they.  Doesn’t such “exorbitant” assistance provide us(USA) the leverage to “convince” this “peace-loving” tribe to enter into the universally held agreements against nuclear proliferation? The “fact” that they are not a “member” of the signatory members, says a lot about the nation and its objectives. No other nation has EVER “continually” attacked perceived adversaries, as has this country (Israel). They pay “no heed” to the U.N. They act as if whatever they decide to do, for whatever reasons they portray, to be “outside” of international mandates and policy. Why have they been able to do so, without international SANCTIONS/EMBARGOES/CENSURES ?? 
It is time to “reign” this nation/gov’t. into the international dictates/agreements/treaties. If they refuse to comply, as the rest of the world has complied, that’s their prerogative and decision. But, that “intransience” must not be rewarded, but punished. Imagine this “military government” (Israel) without U.S. support? They’d be as insignificant, in the eyes of the world community, as they deserve to be. Israel, if they TRULY believe that they “should” survive as a viable nation, needs to understand that if they are “forced” to stand alone in the international community, they have no chance of viability. We, the biggest enabler of this nation, have to explain to them that we are no longer going to be used for their agenda.  No matter how much money they use for graft to our politicians, or threats of blackmail of those elected representatives, and other financial/career pressures imposed on them (AIPAC) {which needs to be outed for what/who they really are} of our country. We WILL have a national “backlash” against them and their interests. What is needed for our improved future as a great country is an understanding of what has existed in the past and the need to change that course for a better future.

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By niloroth, July 5, 2008 at 4:01 pm #

re: PatrickHenry, July 4 at 8:39 am

I believe the evidence and the facts.  You believe tricksters and com men.

Sucker.

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By PatrickHenry, July 4, 2008 at 12:39 pm #

re: niloroth, July 3 at 7:10 pm #

Whose facts? and who’s theoretical analysis?

You believe the government.  I don’t.

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By jack, July 4, 2008 at 2:49 am #
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RE: the funny thing is, facts aren’t subjective.  And you are still putting forth idiotic conspiracy BS.

Recommendation: Study the research of David Ray Griffin to inform yourself about whose conspiracy theory is or is not “BS?”

Debunking 911 Debunking, The 911 Commission Report - Omissions and Distortions, The New Pearl Harbor

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By cyrena, July 4, 2008 at 12:29 am #

By niloroth,

•  “hey, i am not the one who is supporting Obama against everyone who criticizes him.  As i posted in another thread, he has many connection to the CFR, and as he gets set to accept the nomination he back off everything he stands for.  You are the one supporting someone who is owned by the NWO.”

Presumably nimrod, you’ve directed this to me. So, would you like to explain how you know what ‘side’ I’m on? That should be interesting, since I don’t HAVE a ‘side’, other than truth.

So, how did you come by a discussion of fake terror to address Obama in the first sentence here? Did I mention Obama, and how do you know whether or not I support Obama, and what does he have to do with the fake advertisement of terror?

What does the CFR or the NWO have to do with this article? I personally think your NWO theory is a bunch of BS, and I KNOW that the CFR is a think tank established long, long ago. Literally hundreds of scholars have been associated with that organization since its inception. Same with the Trilateral Commission. And if the CFR would be interested in giving me some sort of fellowship, I’d be delighted to accept it. There are several people who are associated with that organization who I do NOT like, or whose opinions I do NOT agree with. I’ve even done a critique of Noah Feldman and some of the trash that he has written though that particular engine. That’s not to say he isn’t a smart guy, at least academically. But, I still don’t like him, just like I don’t like a bunch of people I had to work with during my career.

Any association that Obama has with the CFR seems to be limited to addresses that he has delivered, as sponsored by them. In fact, unlike many of the scholars who have been associated with that organization, he’s never had an official affiliation, (such as a fellowship or other employment arrangement) with them.

As a whacky conspiracy theorist though, you wouldn’t get that.

As for my tiny little loan, it was 4 years ago, and also has nothing to do with the article, aside from the purpose for which I used it, and that was to show proof of how all of your favorite people (the ones whom you will believe, no matter how ridiculous the story is) have managed to use their ‘war on terror’ to wage global war and commit untold violations of civil liberties right here at home. In short, the ‘war on terror’ has been the excuse to facilitate a Fascist take-over of the US as you knew it, (or maybe you didn’t know it) and that’s that. The kick off was the false flag attack on 9/11, which was blamed on ‘Arab terrorists”.

Now, what does ANY of that have to do with Barack Obama, the CFR, and whether or not I support him? I do support some of his positions, but not all of them. I don’t support the fake war on terror.


As for the 9/11 truth movement, I know little about it, and have never claimed to ‘support it’.  I only support what I know, and not what some so-called ‘movement’ claims. *I* know that 9/11 was a false flag attack, organized by entities within our own government,  based on information that I’ve gathered over an extended period of time. That said, there is still a bunch of physical evidence either missing or destroyed, that may or may not come to light. One thing for sure, those airplanes sure did manage to all disappear within less than 2 hours, without leaving a single solitary trace.

And, YOU believe that. So there we have it. You can be our 21st Century Bermuda Triangle expert. Maybe we should name you the North East Corridor Expert, which is where all of those aircraft disappeared from, never to be seen or heard from again. YOU can tell us where they all went. Right? Oh where oh where did they go nilo?

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By niloroth, July 3, 2008 at 11:10 pm #

Patrick

the funny thing is, facts aren’t subjective.  And you are still putting forth idiotic conspiracy BS.

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By PatrickHenry, July 3, 2008 at 10:58 pm #

Re: niloroth, July 3 at 5:42 am #

Subjective, like you niloroth.

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By niloroth, July 3, 2008 at 8:37 pm #

hey, i am not the one who is supporting Obama against everyone who criticizes him.  As i posted in another thread, he has many connection to the CFR, and as he gets set to accept the nomination he back off everything he stands for.  You are the one supporting someone who is owned by the NWO.

That, combined with your inability to actually support the 9/11 truth movement with any actual facts or logic marks YOU as the disinfo agent.  You have posted about debt consolidation, so i am wondering how much the government has paid you to make your side seem inept?

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By cyrena, July 3, 2008 at 8:10 pm #

Patrick Henry,

Thanks so much for the link to the video that has nilorod all shook up.

I had not seen it. But then, I’ve not followed the Israeli connection to 9/11 at all. So, this answers many of the questions that I had about what I knew were lies, but didn’t have sources for.

For instance, I knew that these alleged 19 highjackers were not on those planes, and not who they were said to be, when none of the names from the passenger manifests was remotely ‘Arab/Muslim/Islamic.” I also wondered where the names of the alleged highjackers had come from. Now we know that too was supplied by Mo Atta. (I don’t think ANYBODY ever believed the fake passport and other stuff that was conveniently ‘found’ in the midst of all the other WTC rubble). Now that would surely be a hoot, if so many people weren’t dead.

But, what I’ve ALWAYS wondered, (that this video explores, and I’ll also follow up with his full report) is WHO placed the bombs in the buildings prior to 9/11/01. For me, this was always the weakest point of the official lie, (at least at the beginning) because they spent all of that time trying to convince us that the buildings were destroyed by the planes, when it was OBVIOUS that they were destroyed by pre-arranged controlled demolition. So it would have made far more sense for them to acknowledge that the buildings were blown up, and just blame that on the ‘terrorists’ as well. So, now we know why that wasn’t included in the fake scenario.

Somebody else here mentioned Webster Tarpley’s “9/11 Synthetic Terror”. I’ve just started reading that, and I’m having to fit it in with other stuff. But, from what I’ve read so far, he’s definitely done the research and connected the dots.

So thanks for the video, which is helpful to lead to other sources. Meantime, ignore niloroth. He and rus are committed to attacking anyone who might dare put any truth to light. Drives them nuts. (if they weren’t already). When I get around to it, I’m going to do a full report on these trolls who infiltrate the internet, possibly as part of their own work as disinformation and/or propaganda agents.

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By purplewolf, July 3, 2008 at 7:28 pm #

Lefty, Cheney has his hide out already established a while back in Dubai and the shrub has his compound in Paraguay ready and waiting for him when things start to look bad for them here. Talk about true traitors of America.

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By niloroth, July 3, 2008 at 9:42 am #

Congratulations PatrickHenry:

you have posted one of the dumbest, most amateur, most confused, and most wrong videos i have seen in a while.

The fact that that video holds weight with you speaks to the serious lack of critical thinking going on inside your brain. 

But then, i really don’t expect all that much from bigots like you and cyrena.

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By jack, July 3, 2008 at 2:53 am #
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RE: still, better to think of them as dangerous. Because 9/11 is what we got when we didn’t.

Wrong analysis - 9/11 is what we got when the NWO needed a pretext to launch the GWOT - al queda were the perfect paties - clearly laid out in Webster Tarpley’s “9/11 Synthtic Terror - Made in USA”

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By SamSnedegar, July 2, 2008 at 10:33 pm #

means generally “the base” in arabic . . . probably referred to the trusted group of camel drivers who guarded bin Laden when he was an American asset in Afghanistan fighting the Russians.

There was one reporter who supposedly had a personal interview with bin Laden back in about 2000. Since then all the communiques supposedly from him could have been and probably were faked. The Taliban in Afghanistan did answer for him in saying that he wasn’t responsible for nine eleven, but that came from Omar and not bin Laden himself. After a while of not getting any info at all, we got to see a bunch of tapes and other stuff that was also subject to fakery . . . the “proof” that Powell and Blair offered us turned out to be “bin Laden did it because WHO ELSE could it have been?” Hardly proof of anything. Mo Atta could just as well have been a Mossad plant as anything, but frankly the tie between Atta and Saddam used by Cheney was far too fragile for something put together by the Mossad, and there really was no connection at all between any terrorist organization and Saddam save for his giving money to Palestinian families of jihadist suicide bombers.

We also assumed that bin Laden was behind the African embassy bombings and the holing of the Cole in Yemen, but again, there was no proof of this, and O’Neill was ordered out of Yemen to prevent his finding out the facts, ordered out by the Bushitter gang of thugs. Pretty strange behavior, I’d say…..

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By samosamo, July 2, 2008 at 7:43 pm #

How ever one looks at this, ‘war on terror’ or ‘war on terrorism’, it is the wrong label and the wrong action taken than needs to be the policy for actions taken against terrorists. I would imagine that any dedicated terrorists would not pool up in one spot to be an easy target which the military likes so much.
All the ‘war on ....’ means is that the president, congress and the military, with some others in the mix, can proceed with imperial/military empire building. It has been, still is and always will be about the money which these cabal think justifies their euphemistic ‘war on terror’ which in reality a hegemonic ploy to hopefully control the world. The ‘war on ....’ will always justify for the president and congress, a huge overly expensive military and corporate control of our country, unnecessarily so.
This is brief because I just cannot and don’t think a lot of other people cannot conceive what has come out of and has yet to come out from all the think tanks sessions since oh, I say the middle of slick dick nix’s presidencies when the neocons started forming these think tanks so they could come up with plots, schemes and contrivancies to gain control and not let it go.
I guess we can only hope that gaining control of our country and getting the constitution to work for the country and not some mad dog’s dogma will correct this insidous debacle we live in and with. And the other place to work is to treat this new world conflict as the criminal acts that they are and investigate and go after the perpetrators no matter if they happen to be living in the US and even operate from some governmental positons. That should make people feel safer. But what won’t make people feel safer is the continual invasions of other countries if just for the natural resources and the repression of the populace of those countries because that will insure that we will get blowback from these countries.
Just as if and when we are attacked, when our government attacks another country, they will not forget and though it may take awhile, they very well could retaliate against us again. That old tit for tat kinda thing.

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By PatrickHenry, July 2, 2008 at 7:05 pm #

Good press because of the sayanim in the U.S. and world media.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6mKX4gftx74

Keep putting it out there and the truth will eventually reveal itself.

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By cyrena, July 2, 2008 at 4:51 pm #

•  “who has proof that there ever WAS an “al queda” outside the minds of the FBI terrorism group under John O’Neill?”

Actually, there was at one time a group called al-Qaeda. Lawrence Wright covers the details of its origins in his excellent book “The Looming Towers.” I don’t have access to it at the moment, and my memory doesn’t work for all of the specifics, (like dates and former group names). But, it was a group founded by bin Laden and Zawahiri in combining their own previous organizations under that one name, (and I can’t even remember what al-Qaeda means, but it isn’t ‘toilet’ as suggested by someone else here.) bin Laden had the money, and Zawahiri had the organizational skills and contacts. While they both had the ‘ideology’ bin Laden’s was more eccentric and not so reality-based or even practical.

Be that as it may, the organization never really had any strength in numbers, and never operated outside of that basic geographic region where they are now, if they even still exist. Bin Laden is an exiled Saudi, and Zawahiri is an Egyptian. IF there can be said to be a ‘fore father’ of the eventual organization(s) it would probably be Sayyed Qutb.

Felicity already noted that people actually have made full time academic and consultant careers studying this information on terrorists and terrorism, and long before John O’Neil came up with his bin Laden unit. It’s also correct that the recommendations and information offered by these scholars and others who HAVE studied this in great detail, was flatly ignored and/or rejected by this administration. It seems clear that they’ve always had an agenda to make al-Qaeda (even the original) something that it was not, so facts and truth from those who’ve done considerable research was not welcome.

Like SamSneddeger, I’m not convinced that the 9/11 operation even involved bin Laden or Mo Atta. I suspect that they were both patsies, and the same would be the case for any alleged highjackers. (I’m also not convinced these 19 ‘highjacking terrorists’ ever boarded any of these airplanes or brought about the destruction caused on that day). I’m not convinced because there has been absolutely no physical evidence to confirm it. The entire ‘story’ of ‘what happened’ and how it happened is only ‘what they’ve told us’ without a single piece of physical evidence to back it up.

Since terrorism and political violence by way of highjackings is *not* new, there are comparisons that can be made to other similar acts of the past 4 decades, and the events of 9/11 have yet to be proven to be similar in nature. Obviously someone(s) worked very hard to orchestrate an operation that could be made to ‘seem’ similar to previous events of REAL terrorism rooted in political grievances, and there’s been a very compliant media to sell that to a nation. But the selling of those ‘details’ is little more than an advanced ‘sleight of hand’, or 21st Century Houdini stuff aided by technology. When we actually start looking for verifiable details and physical evidence to corroborate the story, there is absolutely none. We have only what they’ve offered from Khalid Sheik Mohammad, and he’s been tortured out of his mind, to the extent that he’s ‘confessed’ to all terrorist acts ever committed in the history of the world.

Meantime, there is no independent corroboration that anybody has actually spoken to or heard from OBL in over a decade. The last interview that he had with a Western journalist was over a decade ago. (I think Time Magazine, but I can’t remember the author.) All the rest of the ‘communications’ from OBL are therefore suspect. In short, I don’t believe any of it. That’s not to say that much of it isn’t true, but there’s no way to separate any of it from the details of 9/11.

I highly recommend that book, The Looming Towers, as well as another “Journey of the Jihadist: Inside Muslim Militancy”, by Fawz Gerges.

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By blueshift, July 2, 2008 at 3:55 pm #

still, better to think of them as dangerous. Because 9/11 is what we got when we didn’t.

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By Bill Jones, July 2, 2008 at 3:44 pm #
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To the extent that al-Qaida exists, it’s the CIA’s Foreign Legion.

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By purplewolf, July 2, 2008 at 12:18 pm #

Al-Qaeda is a convenient ruse to be rolled out by the idiot in chief when ever he thinks(?) things look bad for him and/or his cronies. This justifies all the illegal laws and regulations that this administration has done in the past 2 terms of Bush’s Terroristic Tactics done against everyone else in the world, with the exception of his group of tight knit criminals.

Hey George, ever hear about the boy who cried wolf? After a while no one believed him. Same goes for you, you proven liar.

What is the problem with TD, I’m having to log in every time I go to this site in the last 2 days? More government spying and Homeland Insecurities Paranoia?

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By Fadel Abdallah, July 2, 2008 at 11:49 am #

Yes indeed “Terror Goes a Lot Further With Good Advertising.”

Moreover, “terrorism,” whether real or imagined, has become a big profiting business for the military-industrial complex and the ultimate weapon of control and power for politicians who stand to benefit most from fear-mongering.

Al-Qaeda and other militant groups might be real organizations with specific limited objectives, but Al-Qaeda of the neocons’ administration propaganda is a 90% fear-mongering technique that serves their ends of power-grappling and control.

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By felicity, July 2, 2008 at 10:36 am #

There are people who actually make a study of terrorism and the terrorists who practice it. Their expertise is valuable but since the results of their studies do not further, in fact hamper, how this government uses terrorism to justify the nefarious policies it has in place, they are ignored, maybe even investigated.

Most importantly, terrorist organizations need bodies.  To satisfy that need, they must have reknown. At the beginning, a terrorist commits an act of revenge.  The act prompts reaction - hopefully on a large scale. What naturally follows is reknown and, of course, those precious bodies wanting to join the ranks of the now-famous pop up world-wide.

Bin Laden did say rather recently that America was in the process of destroying itself and he was looking forward to enjoying the fruits of his labor.

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By SamSnedegar, July 2, 2008 at 9:54 am #

who has proof that there ever WAS an “al queda” outside the minds of the FBI terrorism group under John O’Neill? The Bushitters LOVE having a name to apply to the terrorists, and the terrorists likely love having a fake name to use so that they can hide their real organization’s activities.

I’m not satisfied that any of Mo Atta’s nineteen hijackers ever saw or worked for bin Laden, and I’m not satisfied that bin Laden didn’t die years ago. Indeed, is the some proof that Mo Atta himself ever met bin Laden or got money from his people?

It didn’t take the “Al Qa’ida in Iraq” group long to NAME itself al Qa’ida, but when it arrived there in Iraq it had ANOTHER NAME and a leader not connected to bin Laden.

We have met the enemy, and he is us.

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By cyrena, July 2, 2008 at 2:24 am #

Re: Heavyrunner, Part 1 of 2

Thanks for the details on your totally ‘unsecured’ trip to the inauguration in 2004. (at least once beyond the Airport security at LAS). I guess it goes without saying that I’m not surprised.

I’ve believed from the beginning, that this has all been created hype. And, it’s been far more than a waste of official money. I’d say it’s caused more organized terrorism at worst, and more tension and/or terror by panic and chaos at the least. I look at some of the major stupidity and hysteria that has been created at airports, (and I’ve kept a list, if only because I spent my career in them for the 23 years prior to 9/11) and that’s what I call created chaos and terror.

For instance, the big show-down at MSP (during the busiest travel day of the year) when an ignorant passenger noted another passenger praying in the departure lounge, and set off a huge brouhaha, with arrests and all the rest from the FBI, not to mention a totally jacked-up airport operation that caused delays into the next day.

Then there was the passenger who farted on a flight traveling from one little town to another on an American Eagle flight. She was embarrassed and lit a match to cover the smell. Then the smell of the match created a panic and prompted an unscheduled landing where all of the passengers were removed, screened/interviewed, with the plane checked-out by maintenance, and then the re-boarding of all the passengers EXCEPT the offending farter and match lighter. She was stranded in the middle of nowhere and on her own, treated as a felon for doing that number with the match.

And then there was the guy who was shot dead by the Air Marshals when he decided to de-plane in MIA, after initially boarding the plane with his wife. He was bipolar, ran out of meds while on vacation, and got anxious and decided to get off the airplane, which was still parked at the gate, and still in the boarding process. The very inexperienced feds claimed that he said he had a bomb, except that nobody else heard him say that. The feds shot him dead anyway. After that. They unloaded all of the checked luggage, found his, and blew it up on the tarmac.

I could go on, but I won’t. Suffice to say that this is only ONE aspect of life that has been drastically turned into chaos and terror, including what are now “Behavioral Detection Officers” that walk around airports looking for ‘suspicious’ behavior. (which could be blowing ones nose). This doesn’t even take into account all of the other standard practices of normal life that have been turned upside down in order to combat some invisible threat that nobody has evidence even exists.

And yet, you could attend a presidential inauguration and encounter even less ‘security’ than one might find at the local shopping mall. Go figure.


In other daily life affected by ‘terrorism’ my sister recently went to the local PO to collect a package that had been an attempted delivery to her house. The package was addressed to one of her kids, a college student living on campus. He’d had the package sent to him at home. My sister stood in line at the PO for over 40 minutes. When she finally got to the ‘postal expert/engineer’ at the desk, she was advised that she couldn’t have the package because it wasn’t addressed to her. (terrorist/homeland security laws). She explained that it had been addressed to her son at HER HOUSE, and that her own identification indicated it was HER address. (not to mention that the last names on her ID and the package were also the same). Didn’t matter they told her. Terrrorist/security laws and all.

She was pissed. Fortunately, she didn’t ‘go postal’ but she did advise the postal clerk that the kid it was addressed to wasn’t paying any mortgages anywhere, INCLUDING at that address! I’m sure they thought she was just some disgruntled person who wanted to give them a hard time, and didn’t have the proper respect for the terrorist/security laws.

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By cyrena, July 2, 2008 at 2:23 am #

Part 2 of 2 re: Heavyrunner


Then there was me and the bank. I deposited funds from a debt consolidation loan, which was immediately credited to my account. (at least the transaction was noted). But when I proceeded to write the checks to pay my bills, the bank bounced each and every one of them. I asked them what the hell was going on, and they explained that even though the credit transaction had been noted, the funds wouldn’t be immediately available to me. WHY? Well, because the amount of the deposit was ‘unusually large’ (ONLY –for me- since it wasn’t a lot of money). Because of that, they had to verify where the funds were coming from, and why, because of..you guessed it..the terrorism laws. (had to be sure that I wasn’t a terrorist, and that the bank that issued the check didn’t have any terrorist affiliations). So, they told me I could have half of the money in another 8 days, and the other half in 14 days. I said that wasn’t gonna do. If they didn’t make ALL of my money ‘accessible’ to me right then, I was likely to terrorize the place. They let me cool my heels for nearly an hour before they decided that I wasn’t a terrorist, and that I could use my money. It took weeks to fix the checks that they had already bounced. As an aside, I’ve maintained that account for over 12 years.

All of this because a couple of Muslim extremists (bin Laden and Dr. Zawahiri) decided to merge their respective gangs into a larger one called al-Qaeda, which even at it’s largest, never amounted to more than a few hundred alleged jihadists.

I say the Dick Bush regime has created all the terror of the past 8 years.

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By Don Stivers, July 2, 2008 at 12:49 am #

It only takes a small number of people to bring great havoc.  Consider the number of men who brought down the World Trade Center buildings.  Not very many.  And a little bit of tightening of security at the airports and on the aircraft doors would have prevented those attacks.  This current administration had forewarning. 

But we are wasting good will.  Whether or not al-Qaida is getting stronger, there are others in the world that want vengeance.  As a whole, this country has not stopped to reflect on the reasons why peoples of certain countries hate our guts. 

While the people of these United States bunch up in lines at the airports because of security concerns, someone out in the world who wants to bring justice to a wrong from long ago, is going to figure out a way to do harm some other way.  There are gatherings at all sorts of activities and events that can be disrupted.

There are even ways to bring down ships and planes after the passengers have cleared security and are supposedly safely on their vessel or plane.  And all of our super billion dollar stealth planes can do nothing about it. 

So whether or not al-Qaida is getting stronger is moot.  Remember the Oklahoma bombing?  Just takes a few people with a grudge to do harm to others.

We have created a vast reservoir of potential vengeful people in Iraq and Afghanistan. They will want justice done for the maiming or death of a loved one. 

I am sad that this country’s Congressional leaders do not see what criminals we have running this administration.  The President wanted to show his old Harvard classmates and a professor who despised him that his is brave and wise and that he was no military pilot who went AWOL. Well, on the contrary, he was given the authority to go to war, if war was warranted, and he made it so by bending the truth and outright lying.  He used his authority illegally.  Congress has even passed a law to make legal something that was illegal to save his neck.  Imagine that.  Congress had to pass a law to retroactively make something legal after the President of the United States outright broke the law and outright lied about something dear to American citizens which is our right to privacy. 

So America, are we just going to sit here and blog about things and shiver in our socks or are we going to put up bill boards and scream an yell?

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By webbedouin, July 2, 2008 at 12:21 am #

Back in the good ol’ days when the fore runners of the toilet were battling the Russians in Afghanistan, they were funded by the US by way of Pakistan’s ISI.  Just before 9/11 Atta was funded by Pakistan’s ISI.  Coincidence?  Just the usual money laundering.

Here is a look at a real captured “Al Qaeda” group:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html

Wake up, Osama Bin Dead for years.  The toilet is run by the US & Israel.  This is a war OF terror not a war ON terror.

The reason we have to torture these poor detainees is so they will claim to be what the US government wants its gullible citizens to believe.

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By skulz fontaine, July 1, 2008 at 10:53 pm #

It seems to be recalled that “al-Qaeda” translates from the Arabic to something in English like, ‘the toilet’. I happen to have the Usama bin Ladin obituary announcement from an Egyptian paper dated a long ways back, in my files in the office. Hmmm, something smells sort of rotten in Homeland Security propaganda world. Can we all say hype? Histrionics? Lying politicians, presidents, and one colossally stupid Congress? Wait, maybe Congress isn’t so much stupid as they are corrupt. Yeah, either way. Say bye bye Ms. American Democracy Pie. Golly, remember when fascism wasn’t patriotic?

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By heavyrunner, July 1, 2008 at 10:10 pm #

Wondered should be “wandered”

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By heavyrunner, July 1, 2008 at 10:09 pm #

I attended the demonstrations along Pennsylvania Avenue on January 20, 2004, protesting the Bush inauguration and demanding his impeachment.

I was casually dressed.  I flew from Las Vegas to D.C. that morning on a red eye, arriving at Dulles at 5:00 a.m., local time.  I took mass transit into the city.  I passed through no security after the airport security in Las Vegas.

I didn’t know exactly how to get from Union Station to 4th and Pennsylvania and I wondered out of the station and just headed for the Capitol building.  Again, after going though no security whatsoever, I found myself standing in the V.I.P. line for the bleachers on the Capitol steps, next to Duncan Hunter, the right wing Congressman from Orange County, CA.

At first I found it disconcerting that there was little, if any, security, since the mass media had been alarmistly reporting that the Muslims were at our door. 

But when nothing untoward happened, all day, throughout D.C., despite the lack of security, I came to realize that the so called threat was a lie.  There may be a few terrorists around, but one would think that the inauguration of George W. Bush would have been a highly sought after target, yet, with almost no security or screening, nothing happened.

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