TALIBAN UPDATE!

Now that the Taliban is “gone” they’ve sure been busy in the news! Here’s a headline from today’s AOL home page (must’ve been another misprint):

“Families Flee as Taliban Readies for Battle”: http://news.aol.com/story/_a/families-flee-as-taliban-readies-for/20080616151209990001

Cyrena…you’re the master! (And pssst…I bet Rus7355 has a different opinion. Ah…the simple pleasures of a democracy!)

Ah Brusays, you’ve outdone yourself with this excellent post, (#163774). I thoroughly appreciated it. Not only did I find it very entertaining, but informative as well.

I was unaware of the Khadafi’s turn against al-Qaeda, though presumably, that might very well have assisted in preventing them from ever rising to the threat level that they eventually became. (especially with some acknowledgment from the then Clinton admin). Then again, I think it’s worth evaluating just how much of a threat al-Qaeda was and how much they continue to be. I’ve never believed them to have the overwhelming capacity to threaten the ‘world at large’ that Dick Bush has claimed.

Anyway, thanks again for the post. I’m taking lessons from you.

Wow, Rus7353. We gotta get you a job working in the Cherry Tree orchard. Your cherry-picking is commendable! 

And I am heartened and amazed to learn, as I’m sure others on this blog are, that the Taliban is gone. I will ignore news reports of Afghanistan prison breaks orchestrated by Taliban supporters. I will plan my next vacation for two weeks in Afghanistan as soon as the U.S. Department of State removes its “critical” travel warning. http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_2121.html

I am equally heartened to learn that Khadafi’s turn against Al Qaeda was a result of our stern stance on Iraq and its WMDs. I’m sure his 1999 public statements to fight Al Qaeda (which, admittedly, were ignored by Clinton) were media misprints.

It’s interesting that our efforts in Iraq have led to improved womens’ rights in so many Mid-east nations. Perhaps one day those improvements will work their way BACK to Iraq and, once again, women there can remove their scarves, attend co-ed schools, drive cars and young, unmarried women can attend events unchaperoned.

Also wonderful to hear is the unqualified success of Iraqi elections. Perhaps one day they will undo their movement to a theocracy from their previous status as a secular government. Perhaps one day the Sunnis will choose to fully participate in their government.

I’m sure the “latest intelligence estimates” judging that Muslims the world over are turning away from the murderous radical Islam is accurate. (That cherry must’ve been a hard one to pick!)

And oh, the joy of hearing that after losing 4,100 soldiers in Iraq the U.S. has not been attacked since 9/11!

Yep, Bush certainly HAS been a complete disaster.

Stephen,

Thanks for the input on Pelosi in this whole process, and what she COULD have done, and didn’t do, which is why it may sit now, in committee. (though it doesn’t have to).

I didn’t know she was your rep, (so you’re right up the oastal road) but since she is, you know that she’s been squashing, hammering, suffocating the active voices among the House democrats for years..long before she even became Speaker. I’ve heard nightmarish stories of her intimidation.
Sounds like Atila the Hun.  And yes, I’ve no doubt she DOES have the ‘resources’ to fight off any challanges to her seat unless the citizens take on the responsibility and civic duty of defying the tyranny. Considering Marin County, that could be tricky, but still doable.

And, that’s what I’m hoping. It’s long past time.

•  “..No thinking person, including a republican, who has buried someone killed in Bush’s war is going to feel sorry for Bush and Cheney if they know everything that led to their loved ones death was because of lies deliberately created by Bush and Cheney, to lead us into war for the personal gain of Bush and Cheney.”

Louise, this says what we have to do, and why. Let me say that this has been the hardest thing for me to do in the past several years now, because I know too many people who have buried loved ones because of Dick Bush’s lies. It is the most painful thing for someone to accept this reality, when they have lost a loved because of it. Yet, I keep reminding, and yesterday, I did this again with Vincent Bugliosi’s interview at Democracy Now!

He’s the passionate prosecutor with the oratorical skills to pump people up, and that’s why I did it. (though it has to be a painful reminder). No matter. I’m not trying to incite a riot here, but how else are people going to know? The media has become the means for total information SUPRESSION. A flippin’ BLACKOUT! Where –anywhere- in the MSM is there the huge story of the Iraqi REJECTION of any continued presence of the US in their nation?

They want us OUT of there, and Dick Bush is strong-arming them. Won’t give ‘em the money that we’ve been holding in our reserve for years and years. Won’t even let them have it to invest in something other than the dollar.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/12/iraq_correspondent_patrick_cockburn_on_the

And bush is grinning in France, claiming that if he was a betting man, he’d bet that they’ll come to an ‘agreement’ with the Iraqis, since we’re only there at their invitation.

My ass!

The best thing we can do for ourselves AND the Iraqis is to impeach the dirty bastards!

Right after I made my last comment, I heard from a friend who had to pawn her computer and her TV to come up with enough money to put gas in a borrowed truck to move her family into the home of a friend.

She’s one of those housing bubble victims, who never had reason to believe the Real Estate Agent and the Real Estate Broker and the Title Company and the banks Mortgage Broker had inserted lies into her mortgage application to help her get into her home. After all, as they all tell us in their advertising, THEY are the experts we need to count on, to get it done right.

Anyway. She can’t afford long distance yet and she hasn’t got access to the Internet and she had no idea Kucinich had introduced articles of impeachment and asked where she could sign on. So I need to get her over here so she can read, and then send emails and Fax’s and make phone calls. And I’m wondering if maybe we don’t all know someone in her situation and shouldn’t we all be doing the same thing?

Meanwhile, members of The House Judiciary Committee:

http://judiciary.house.gov/CommitteeMembership.aspx

Access to all member websites, phone numbers, emails and mailing addresses, although thanks to Homeland Security they rarely get snail mail in less than six weeks.

Louise, first, thanks for setting the (congressional) record straight.  Nancy happens to be my representative;  so I can tell you that, in her case, it has gone much further than electronic mail and telephone calls.  Since assuming leadership, she has had to face challenges for her seat from progressives even within her own party, not to mention endoresements from media that are off the mainstream.  I think it is important that she has those challenges, but it is clear that she has the resources to prevail over them.  Still, I agree with your strategy in general.  Even in the elevated world of the Capitol, there are still “grass roots.”  Those in the best position to influence impeachment are those whose representatives are “mere members” of the Judiciary Committee, rather than Conyers (the Committee leader) or Pelosi (the House leader).  Those members have as much of a voice in setting the agenda as the leadership does!

Actually to avoid an up or down vote that might result in the articles of impeachment being voted right out of existence, the best thing to do is what Kucinich did. Ask the impeachment articles be sent to the Judiciary committee ... and it was KUCINICH, not Nancy who called for a vote to do that. No one else ... just him.  And that’s where they went and that’s where we should be directing our frustration. To the House Judiciary Committee.

Nobody knows better than Kucinich, the contempt House leadership has for what they see as a teeny handful who want impeachment. And nobody knows better how overwhelmed and sadly uninformed a lot of the representatives are. And none of them, including Kucinich have time to peruse all the posts and articles on the internet that could explain to them what we the people think about what they OUR representatives are doing, or not doing.

So in case nobody picked up on it, there’s a couple of clues here.

Leadership in the House believes it’s only a teeny handful that wants impeachment, so obviously while millions may want it and millions may be saying so on blogs and in the kitchen, those millions are NOT communicating with their representatives, because if they were, the volume of demand would overwhelm them.

So what’s up here? How come they aren’t getting millions of emails and phone calls?

My Senator has said on more than one occasion, the most powerful lobby in America is We the People. But we the people are not getting through to our Senators and Representatives. How come?

The media isn’t covering the story? Well duh ... since when did we count on the media?

They aren’t listening to us? Well how many of us are talking to them?

They really believe impeachment is not in their best interests?

Maybe we the people have failed because we’ve allowed them to forget, their best interests are OUR best interests. How can we remind them of that simple truth? Comes right back to the same thing.

Quit believing our demands on the Internet are getting through to them, because unless those demands are translated into phone calls and emails coming into THEIR offices .. they aren’t!

How out of touch are they? A good answer to that question came out of Kucinich on democracy now yesterday. Seeing the look on his face and the incredulous tone in his voice when he responded was worth a million words!

AMY GOODMAN: Congressman Kucinich, the head of the Democratic National Committee, Howard Dean, said voters did not hand Democrats control of Congress two years ago in order to impeach President Bush.

REP. DENNIS KUCINICH: Is that what he said? Well, you know what? Howard Dean ought to check with the people where he lives with in Vermont, because the people in Vermont understand this.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/13/despite_opposition_from_his_own_party

Vermont has led the nation in demanding impeachment.

Nancy’s excuse that it could backfire and give Bush sympathy indicates how little she’s hearing from the public. No thinking person, including a republican, who has buried someone killed in Bush’s war is going to feel sorry for Bush and Cheney if they know everything that led to their loved ones death was because of lies deliberately created by Bush and Cheney, to lead us into war for the personal gain of Bush and Cheney.

If that is proved by trial of Bush and Cheney on the impeachment articles introduced by Kucinich, every person who has suffered a loss will be forced to see that, and sympathy will go right out the window. Along with a few congress folks who voted for war.

cyrena, you are quite right that articles of impeachment are “processed” by the Judiciary Committee;  but this may be a case that pushes the envelope of those normative processes.  Unless I am mistaken, it is the job of the Judiciary Committee to INTRODUCE articles of impeachment (after due deliberation, of course).  Once the articles have been proposed, the House votes on which ones get taken to trial in the Senate.  Kucinich had the CHUTZPAH to take on the job of the Judiciary Committee by himself;  and I am not sure that “normative procedure” has anything to say about whether the Committee has a role once a set of articles have been placed before the House.  Presumably, in the absence of any explicit rules, it is up to the Speaker to determine how to proceed.  She COULD have called for a vote on the articles themselves, but instead she had the House vote on whether further action should be preceded by a review by the Judiciary Committee.  This vote was taken, and the House so decided.  As Al Jazeera reported, it is now unlikely that the Judiciary Committee will schedule this review before the end of the Bush Administration.  I do not think there is any procedural reason why the House could not have voted on the actual articles and the initiation of impeachment proceedings, but Pelosi’s actions are consistent with her feelings about this whole business.

I also disagree with jeffm over whether or not this is “grandstanding.”  I am pretty sure that Kucinich knew that Pelosi would not allow his articles to come to a vote, and he knew she had a legitimate way to do this.  However, since the Judiciary Committee had never scheduled ANY consideration of impeachment, there was no other way to bring a set of articles to the House floor and introduce them to the Congressional Record.  I doubt that he expected more than making those articles a matter of public record.  He did so within proper House procedures, and they are now there for all the world to see.

Writer on the Storm..

Not so, not so. Not with impeachment. No, no. Actually, not with any series of these kinds of charges. They must ALL be listed.

To the contrary, if they only choose ONE, and ignored all of the others, THAT would be an indication of not being serious. Starts to sound very much like some sort of a plea bargain.

That can’t happen on federal charges, even aside from impeachment. Take a look at some of the standard indictments from nearly ANY federal prosecution. They ALWAYS indict for all of the charges, and the juries have to decide on each and every charge.

To do some sort of a jerry-rigged operation for something this serious would be the worst sort of cynicism. Seriously. To do any less than the proper procedure, (and especially this late in the day) would be a mockery of the entire system. (and we’ve had enough of that.)

Jeffm writes:

•  “..To call Kucinich some sort of hero is ridiculous.  Kucinich’s introduction of this bill was political grandstanding, pure and simple.  Every single one of the Democrats, including Kucinich himself, voted to send this bill to committee!  Clearly, despite the popularity with the public of initiating impeachment proceedings against Bush for his many horrendous crimes, neither Kucinich nor any other Democrat in Congress has any intention of pursuing impeachment for real. “..

Umm, jeffm,

This vote to send the thing to the Judiciary Committee is exactly what HAS to happen! THAT is the ‘victory’ so to speak. The articles of impeachment can ONLY be processed from there. This was the ONLY next step.
This is what they could NOT accomplish in April of 2007, when Dennis K introduced the same process against Dick Cheney. Ron Paul prevented a vote to send it to the Judiciary Committee, which essentially tabled the thing. In other words, it HAS to go to the Judiciary Committee, which is exactly why every single democrat voted for it to do that! It’s just the proscribed process for impeachment. Nothing can happen until it gets to the House Judiciary Committee. Then they’ll do their part. If they impeach him in the House, then it will go to the Senate.
So, this was the INTENDED outcome. IE..this is GOOD!

So yep..DK is a hero alright!

When someone commits several murders, the mjurderer is not indicted on just the deadest in hopes of getting a conviction.

If there’s anything wrong with Kucinich’s 35-count resolution, let the committee tell him.  Otherwise, the world has to see the extent to which this criminal subverted the constitution and failed to live up to his oath.

One of the problems with the impeachment movement is the long list of impeachable offenses. It sounds too much like a bunch of sore losers griping. Choose one offense - the one that makes the best legal case - and keep at it until you have to be heard.

Sending everything up the flagpole to see what flies is not serious. Everyone senses this. Kucinich surely knows it too, so we can probably conclude that this is all just grandstanding.

Too bad for us.

Stephen,

I didn’t know this..

•  “…Kucinich has been blocked again by a vote on the House floor…”

I’ve been tied up trying to find the legal points/arguments regarding all of these air strikes that the US military has been engaging in. Air strikes that allegedly target ‘terrorists’ but inevitably miss the supposed ‘terrorists’ and just kill civilians.

So, I’ve missed the block (again) from the House, to pass this on to the judiciary committee. Last I heard, (from Louise on another thread) was that they were sending it on to the committee. So, I must have misunderstood. Maybe that was just a decision to allow for a vote to decide whether or not to send it to the judiciary committee.

So on this:

•  “My guess is that the number of people who voted NOT to consign his impeachment bill to the Judiciary Committee makes for a very short list.  Does anyone have that list to hand?

I’m likely to agree with you that this had to be a very short list, but I don’t have it. If Louise has been following closely, (as she usually does) she may be able to provide it. I’ll check back in – in a bit, to see if anyone else might. Otherwise, I’ll try to track it down myself after I finish this next part of my project and take a break.

Marie says, “It is not politically correct to offer a good word about Dennis Kucinich, the elfish, left-leaning congressman from Ohio who regularly runs for president only to drop his quixotic campaigns for the White House so that he might continue representing his working-class district near Cleveland.”

This kind of thinking plays into the corporate thinking of America’s media. To call Kucinich left-leaning is to affirm the corrupt neocon establishment’s attempt to label anything smacking of democratic rather than imperialistic is not patriotic and is far to the left.

Like Marie too many Americans have bought this propaganda, propagated quite effectively through well-financed neocon think tanks, utilized by Karl Rove Republicans, and supported by the corporate media.

The articles of impeachment are a necessity to stop the corruptions and abuses of the Bush administration from spreading to the likes of John McCain or anyone else in the future.

The illegal powers that Bush has pushed through, including martial law, camps to imprison dissenters, and torture—all weapons to use against Americans who think—have never been revoked.

It is like inviting a tyrant like Bush to finish the corruption he so ably started.

Thanks for the brainwashed message, Marie!!

cyrena made a good point about Ron Paul.  Kucinich has been blocked again by a vote on the House floor.  My guess is that the number of people who voted NOT to consign his impeachment bill to the Judiciary Committee makes for a very short list.  Does anyone have that list to hand?

GB #162618

•  “…One major reason why Congress won’t impeach is not because over 60% of the country want it but because the lapdog media including so called truth seeking editorials like this one say so…”

EXACTLY!! I ‘ve made the same point myself, and multiple times.

Webbedouin#162615

•  “…Frankly, my dear Marie, if you can’t recognize the gravity of the situation you need to find another job.  If the newspapers of this country had any balls whatsoever, the headlines would scream “Impeach Bush” every single day.

Yep. I’ve mentioned this as well…like yesterday. The flip cynicism from Marie and others like her are the example of propaganda poorly disguised as journalism.  It ISN’T! Nor is it ‘cute’ or ‘entertaining’ in the least. It’s an insult to the principles of what we allegedly hold dear, and a mockery to the system of democracy as we are trying to practice it.

Purple girl#162595

•  “…In Fact if Obama doe snot at least come out Publically to commend Rep Kucinich in his efforts in the House, I probalbly won’t be voting for him either.

You mentioned this yesterday, and since then, I’ve tried to find the quote from sometime back, when a constituent asked Obama about impeachment, and he answered with something like, “That is an available legal remedy that can and should be considered.” That was a paraphrase, and I’ve not been able to find the exact quote, to put it in context with the rest of his remarks at the time. I will keep looking.

In the meantime, I personally will be satisfied if Obama supports this move LEGISLATIVELY, since that’s all that matters. I don’t need to hear from him on it until it reaches that stage, and since I’ve been personally involved with this effort (impeachment) for years now, I’m hoping to see that day relatively soon.

Meantime, you also mention this.

•  “If Push comes to shove I’m voting for Paul! Along with every Independent, Libertarian, Green Party..Candidate on the Ballot.”

I understand the frustration. However, I wanted to point out a bit of reality minus the emotion that has swept us all away. (and intentionally created by the fascists I might add). If you remember, Dennis Kucinich introduced articles of impeachment, or a resolution of such, against Dick Cheney about a year ago, give or take. His efforts at the time, were legislatively BLOCKED by none other than RON PAUL. So the action was ‘tabled’ so that it could at least be addressed again at some point. And of course we’re now seeing the persistence of Dennis Kucinich to do exactly that.

So, I said that to say that if you’re considering other options to the candidates in the fall, PAUL has not ‘come out publicly” to endorse this, but rather has come out on THE RECORD, to OPPOSE it!! For me, (and I think it should be the case for all of us, but that’s just my opinion) what these politicians and legislatures say..ON THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD is what matters.

Cynthia McKinney IS on the record for impeachment, since she also submitted a similar proposal as (articles of impeachment) just prior to leaving the House when she lost her seat in the 2006 race. Her efforts were pooh-pooed as ‘symbolic’ by the media.
Nadar has also called publicly for impeachment, (since as far as I know, he doesn’t have a ‘legislative’ voice) so…that’s good.  According to the wikipedia entry on him, he is the ONLY candidate to do so

Be that as it may, my point was that we need to match the rhetoric with the fine print when we make these decisions of great importance. And, I think it’s a really good idea to avoid making the same important decisions on SINGLE ISSUES!

This is exactly what I hear coming from all of the Paulites, and all of the other avid supporters of ANY candidate! Yes. Ron Paul is against the war on Iraq. This is good. He’s ALSO opposed to ANY form of birth control! This is NOT good.

Do you follow me?

By MattKline, June 12 at 7:06 am #

“Where do we get a copy of the impeachment claims?  I’d also like a copy of the recent investigation into use of intelligence to justify the war. “

MK
http://www.militaryintelligenceandyou.com
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You can find them here:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/index.php?id=1016

The Founding fathers inserted High Crimes and Misdemeanors as a recognition that any wrongdoing that could or would threaten the safety and sanctity of the Constitution of the United States, the freedom of the citizenry guaranteed in that Constitution, and the government as set up by them in that Constitution, could be determined to be a crime punishable by removal from office.

Thereby preserving the three branches of government, none of which could operate independently or above any of the others.

They did not lay out each and every single thing that might potentially constitute that threat. Rather they relied on the wisdom of Congress, as representatives of the people and having sworn an oath to protect and defend that Constitution, as being ever watchful and ready to take action to prevent that threat from becoming a reality. The tool they chose to give the House of Representatives was the tool of impeachment. Charges that when proved could lead to the removal from office of a sitting president. The tool given the Senate was removing the president from office if the Impeachment charges were found by a simple majority to be true and correct.

When we elected a majority democrat congress, impeachment hearings should have been the first thing they did. Because as you will discover when you read the charges, a great deal of what is documented there we already knew, hence they already knew. They have no excuse, except their excuse of wanting to stop the war, which they haven’t because they haven’t really tried. It could have been stopped in a heartbeat. All they had to do was stop paying for it. They have no excuse.

I think the founding fathers knew well, how easily and quickly a body of people can become utterly corrupted by power. As has been the case in the republican controlled congress and now appears to be the case in the body of the democrat controlled congress. Their corruption being, they have decided their respective elections are more important than the Constitution, or the freedom of the citizenry guaranteed in that Constitution, or the sanctity of the three branches of government as established by the founding fathers.

In other words, they stand poised to shoot themselves in the foot, unless they follow through on the very real and very legitimate impeachment charges Kucinich has read into the congressional record. Stopping the utter destruction of Constitutional law is mandated in the oath of office they swore too. And as they ALL very well know, the whole concept of a “unitary executive” is unconstitutional at it’s very core.

This may look like “tilting” to Marie. But that’s probably only because she’s not accustomed to seeing an honest man represent the best interests of the members of his constituency. For no better reason than he actually honors his oath of office.

It is a rare sight indeed.

What has struck me the most about this whole affair is that Al Jazeera appears to be the only institution of journalism with an English-language outlet (unless you count Gore Vidal, who may be an institution unto himself!) to treat this as serious news:

http://therehearsalstudio.blogspot.com/2008/06/our.html

It’s true. They’re not irrelevant, they’re POLITICALLY irrelevant. The politicians are not in the least bit interested in doing anything about it.

While Iraq turns into a black hole, Afghanistan is spiralling downward into one and Dubya is beating the war drums for Iran - with quite a bit of success - nobody is listening to what Kucinich is saying.

And they’ll pay for it.

The endless navel-gazing of the beauty-contest presidential race is all they care about. If the things that Kucinich spoke about aren’t dealt with now and prevented from ever happening again, it won’t matter who’s president.

Obama is no messiah, no saviour, no great leader. He’s a guy who’s already shown signs of pandering to AIPAC, anti-Castro Cubans in Florida, religious Christians of every type, and other special interest groups.

Unless the U.S. puts its military endeavors on hold and deals with this mess, nothing much is going to change. Mickey Mouse could be in the White House and do as good a job.

Just look at the action taken by the British Parliament this week regarding habeas corpus and you see how far we are from the rule of law.  There are American citizens who have been held for up to 7 years without being formally charged with any crime.

If we don’t impeach it means we approve of the actions this president has taken and we hope that the next president is as dictatorial.

Frankly, my dear Marie, if you can’t recognize the gravity of the situation you need to find another job.  If the newspapers of this country had any balls whatsoever, the headlines would scream “Impeach Bush” every single day.  Alas, our newspapers are in the hands of the corporatists who believe in Bush’s brand of business as it helps the bottom line.

And that is the same position of this so-called Democratic congress.

Personally, i’m with Purple Girl, I will not be voting for a change in rhetoric or Bush III, but will be voting for anything else.  You will not receive the change you want from Democraps or Repugnicans.

Obama will only end the rule of the Neoconvicts of PNAC and deliver us into the hands of the Trilateral Commission. Which only means that instead of attacking countries that can not defend themselves (for the sake of Israel) we will attack countries that can, like China & Russia.

Where do we get a copy of the impeachment claims?  I’d also like a copy of the recent investigation into use of intelligence to justify the war.

MK
http://www.militaryintelligenceandyou.com

Obama cannot win the election if he were to endorse impeachment.  I wish I were more optimistic regarding our citisenry, but just as Americans overwhelmingly supported Bush in the lead up to invading Iraq, they also do not want their nose rubbed in the fact that they bought all of the lies and are implicated in war crimes.

The So Called Dems in both Houses are in for a big surprise if they think they will be able to ride the Coattails of Obama in Nov.
this Ol’ Dem will NOT be voting for any Co conspirators who have camoflagued themselves in our Party color.
In Fact if Obama doe snot at least come out Publically to commend Rep Kucinich in his efforts in the House, I probalbly won’t be voting for him either.
The Dems should recognize their Failures since ‘06 is grounds for Dismissal- if not prosecution.
Oh we’re rolling the Dice- but many Blue’s are not even on the Dice.
If Push comes to shove I’m voting for Paul!Along with every Independent, Libertarian, Green Party..Candidate on the Ballot. The Michigan ‘Dem leadership’ Rigged the Primary and they will pay for their Neo Con Treasonous act. WE in michigan will no longer buy the Lie by these Co conspirators who have allowed our state to be Ruined.We aren’t in the Rust Belt - we are the Damn Buckle, thanks to the NeoCons camoflagued in Blue Our State has Once again been brought to it’s knees!placating and appeasing the Scum of the Big 3 who are nothing more then Pushers for the Oil industry and their Foreign ‘Royal’ Sponsors.
have one of Your ‘Survey/Poll’Groups do a REAL check on your Ratings Dems- you’ll find they are in th eDrink with the Bush Adminsitrations. Can You Feel the CHANGE????

Now that Hillary is past tense,  Marie has become a male elfish hate sponsor. Miss management by Congress and Bush should all be accountable.

“And, politically speaking, they are at this point in time irrelevant.”

Marie, why don’t you and Pelosi go take a hike to Canada and get married. Nothing is more relevant to this nation at any time than the upholding of our Constitutional LAW. If we don’t impeach, it will be a carte blanche for an even worse administration to come.

You are a traitor as bad as Pelosi!