•  “Obama’s “racism address” came about because someone affiliated with him (though mostly in the minds of the press) - the good Rev. Wright - was accused of making racist comments, sparking a racism discussion.”

This is so very, very, sad, because you miss the historical importance of that speech entirely.

Obama made the speech for one reason, and one reason only, and he took a big – no HUGE political risk in doing it. He made the speech because after a couple of Centuries, SOMEBODY NEEDED TO!!

The last time this was adequately addressed was in the 60’s when MLK and a whole bunch of other Americans of ALL races, put it in the public face of America. Since then, much cosmetic improvement has occurred, specifically in terms of the laws. That was a huge important thing. But morality and tolerance and all the rest of the attached, CANNOT BE LEGISLATED!! Just making it ‘illegal’ to practice discrimination doesn’t erase the racism that perpetrates it on the individual level.

And…NOBODY EVER TALKS ABOUT THAT!!

So, Obama did. He did it because he knew that it would only become worse, if left unchecked and unacknowledged –out in the open-! He did what my grandma would have called ‘nipping it in the bud.” He stopped what was working up to be a flippin’ LYNCH mob, of proportions we’ve not seen in a long time.

OBVIOUSLY…based on the feedback (including the votes in this primary election since) the majority of the American public appreciated that speech in the spirit in which it was provided.

As for ‘logic’ here…the bottom line is that sexism (at least to the extent that is does still exist) doesn’t even come CLOSE to being as pervasive and underlying a cancer in this society as racism is and continues to be. Not in the past, and definitely NOT NOW! HILLRAY’S campaign, (and obviously with clear direction from her) has played this sexism card to the point of exhaustion. I don’t know how much more obvious it could be, even if you only read 2% of the comments on these threads…FROM WOMEN!

We are so thoroughly disgusted with Hillary whipping up this ‘sexism’ thing, that it might very well have cost her the nomination. That and the fact that she so poorly managed her campaign, by presuming that she would become the official nominee as of Super Tuesday. THAT arrogance, kept her from planning a campaign beyond Feb. 5, and now it’s June 2nd, and she’s got $20 million dollars worth of debt to fix.

The only ‘sexism’ that has taken place in this campaign is what Hillary CREATED, and it BACKFIRED! She came in 3rd in the first contest in Iowa, and she’s been hollering sexism ever since Super Tuesday! Instead of respecting the American public to have a right to vote for the best candidate, or the CANDIDATE THAT THEY WANTED, she just accused us all of ‘sexism’, and her “supporters” HAVEN’T HELPED, since they started whining even before she did.

It was her nomination to WIN OR LOSE, just like it was EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE’S nomination to win or lose. The rest of them bowed out gracefully, without hollering ‘sexism’ or any other EXCUSES! Hillary immediately started hollering sexism, and has used it to beat up on not just the other contenders, but ALL THE REST OF US AS WELL! How stupid does one have to be, to consistently INSULT the population that you expect to elect you? How STUPID does a hungry person need to be, to BITE the hand that feeds them?

Pretty fucking stupid!

First let me point out that the statement that the party does not need Hispanics to win was not made by the candidate.  It is not the sort of thing Sen. Obama, who earned the trust of Hispanics while working as a community organizer/activist in Chicago, would say.  His message is unity through diversity, not divisiveness.

So vote against Donna Brazile, if you can.

Second, I hope you will vote according to YOUR needs, rather than the words of just one person that the party doesn’t need you.  And Americans, regardless of ethnicity, do not need an extension of George W. Bush’s disastrous policies.  We do not need four more years of an unnecessary war, four more years of fighting that war on borrowed money driving down the value of the dollar, four more years of inflation, environmental damage and general cluelessness, four more years of divisive politics rather than a UNITED States of America.

Please educate me.  Detail the “errors of logic and fact.”

Yes, I get begging letters from Obama, too.  As you point out, he will be the nominee, and donations will aid the general election campaign.  That does not disprove my contention that HRC is continuing her efforts in order to recoup the large loans she made to her campaign.

As you point out, Obama has impressive rhetorical skill and conciliatory “new-politics chops.”  Since he has experienced racial prejudice, he is in the position to repudiate bigotry from both sides, and did so.  I don’t think he has been discriminated against because of his gender, unless you feel that is the reason women support Hillary.

There certainly is gender bias in our culture, and it is a factor in this race.  Therefor I believe Hillary is the person best qualified to address the matter.  She certainly has rhetorical skill.  Is she lacking in the conciliatory area?  Is she so committed to the old politics of division, emphasizing our differences for political gain, that she can’t, or won’t, repudiate both bias against women and the attitude of victimhood?

You’re kidding, right? Obama may have let sexism do whatever dirty work it was going to do in this culture, and he may have played along with the absurd race-baiting accusations against the Clintons, but he is hardly a sexist, and he has held steady to the transcendent themes that have defined his candidacy from the start.

Please don’t embarrass Hillary defenders with such nonsense, and then call yourself “a hc fan”

There are so many errors of logic and fact in this post, it’s hardly worth responding to any of it. But what the heck, I’m in the mood.

Obama’s “racism address” came about because someone affiliated with him (though mostly in the minds of the press) - the good Rev. Wright - was accused of making racist comments, sparking a racism discussion. Obama, rightly I think, saw an opportunity to display his consiliatory, new-politics chops by talking about racism in philosophical, healing terms. It was brilliant politics. Ellen is suggesting that those same chops would be well used on healing the divide with women who think Hillary is a great candidate, with more experience than Obama, but who feel like she’s being pushed aside because she’s a woman. They’re not all saying Obama is doing the sexist thing, but that he’s enjoying the fruits of it. Whether they are right is beside the point; that’s the way they see it. Why not put his manifold rhetorical skills to the task?

As far as Hillary’s compaign mailings…Are you kidding? This is what they ALL do. I get three or four emails a day from Obama, his campaign manager, or Michelle. I get two to three letters a week in my home mail box from Michelle mostly. My wife fears I’m having an affair!

Why can’t Obama supporters like you just shut up and let this campaign run its course. Your guy is going to win. Relax. Why insult his opponent or the people who believe in her? What do you have to gain?

Geez, you sound exactly like Justice Thomas. Interesting, coming from a “Libber.”

You really need to get off the meth.

Obama has delivered a major address on racism and the need to go beyond it.  H. Clinton should be the one to deliver an address on sexism, and the need to go beyond it.

While a conservative woman did ask Sen. McCain what had to be done to stop ” the bitch,” no Presidential candidate of either party has made a joke about assassination of Sen. Clinton.  It has never been the custom in this country for white people to hold the door open for a black person.  So the claims that sexism is the cause of the failure of her campaign sound quite petulant to me.

And, in no way, do I want a crybaby Commander in Chief.

If she had minded her campaign’s finances as carefully as I would want her to watch the nation’s checkbook, she probably would be the nominee.  I suspect the only reason she continues the campaign is to con more contributions.  I’m on her emailing list, and I get 2 or 3 begging letters every day, usually incorporating some wild misinterpretation of certain primary results or polls.

And then there was the one from Chelsea, late last week, asking for input on “a major decision.”  No, not whether to give up.

On the design for the campaign T-shirt.

As Obama moves forward needs to reach out to include many diverse elements. The poor, the minority, the white male workers, stuck sinking further into a deep rut of rising costs and lower wage security, and women, (not really a minority—about half of the population) but a group with a history of discrimination against them as well as a present reality of many of them not having reached the success of a few of their leaders. Even more important is a reaching out to the middle class, or upper middle class that everyone claims to want to be a part of, and communicate that he understands that business must be profitable, that a healthy economy is built on goods, services, manufacturing and infrastructure designed for a global peace time not built on the weapons of war, and mutually assured terror, of mass destruction if anyone dares to violate American interests. 

Obama needs to bring his message of hope to families, that our voices will be heard, that our best interests pursued and our direction changed.  Against this message, the voice of McCain, stands like a lonely echo of a dying past.  Bring it on,  lead us forth, point the way, Go Obama

The greatest thing about Obama is he makes his own decisions.  Ellen, you’re fabulous, but, unnecessary in this context.  Obama will win with OR without the “feminist” vote, because identity politics is one of the things he is trying to do without and ween us off.  With all the Clinton folks making ridiculous demands though, Obama has quite a task.  I wish him luck, and can’t wait for him to take the oath.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/burton_35948___arti cle.html/world_stories.html

Just fixing the link…

i agree with Nathan Robinson. Hillary&Co;. have used the accusation of sexism as a manipulative political tactic. She bears the responsibility for patching the wounds she has inflicted. Maybe next Ellen can channel Hillary Clinton and compose a speech aimed at reaching out to all of the post-gender men whose integrity she and her supporters have insulted with baseless and sweeping allegations of sexism. What am i saying? A woman apologize to men over a gender-equality issue? How sexist of me.

More importantly (legal issues trump matters of perception), i already posted this elsewhere, but this is a more appropriate place for it.

Anti-Abortion Measure Makes Ballot
by: Haners
Thu May 29, 2008 at 12:01:33 PM MDT

This development will ensure that the issue of abortion is well debated in this state, and will be a good measurement as to the underlining political views of the state.

Here is the language of the ballot initiative according to the Gazette article:

PERSONHOOD AMENDMENT

This could help drive conservative voter turn out despite an underwhelming enthusiasm for John McCain. Not to mention a whole host of lawsuits by fetuses and a whole new genre of daytime television-commercial lawyers.

More on this issue at the Denver Post:
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_9153861

I love you all, vote for me.

As a ‘LIBBER’ not a vnedatta seeking ‘feminist’ Sen Obama need say nothing to me- he has proven he deserves the Job, He is the best Candidate still standing.
Anyone who wants Equal Rights acknowledges and credits Anyone who has proven they are the one best fit of the Duties necessary to accomplish ANY task- including and most importantly the Presidency.
To vote for a candidate JUST BECAUSE they are Female, or of a certain Race, or a certain Religious philosphy is STILL FEEDING an ‘ISM’. And doing a monumental diservice to REAL equality for ALL.
What makes Women think they are doing anything other then playing the ‘good Ol’ Boy’ Game when they blindly vote for someone just because they possess a Vagina?They are Validating Sexism, regardless if it is in ‘Reverse’ Same coin just the other side. It outrages me to her Cries of Sexism when special Priviledge is Not being handed to them. What Woman, What Democrat supports ‘Obliterating ’ Any other Country? What woman, what Democrat, feels invoking ‘assassination’ is not Repulsive and vile?
What Woman ,what Democrat WANTS the BAR to Be Lowered? Hillary had an advantage and SHE LOST IT because She couldn’t cut it.Period. Her whining about ‘sexism’ Infurtiates me- who has worked in male dominated fields, had to not only keep up , but exceed- which made my male counterparts RESPECT me for my abilities, thus kneecapping any Sexist attitudes they may have held. In fact they knew they could set the Bar higher for Me as opposed to my fellow male workers- because 1) I Proved I could jump it with ease and 2) it helped motivate the men to keep up. NO Special Priviledges PLEASE. It undermines US ALL!Those of US who actually work in the REal World must prove ourselve everyday with out help from Wmen like Hillary, Nor Organizations like NOW (Oh thanks for th e$0.02 raise over the last 335 yrs Too, and of course Roe v Wade on the 9 count- heckova Job ladies- go back to the kitchen and let US Libbers handle the Real Battles we face Everyday, You’ve done Nothing!)

I already knew this stuff about Obama. It’s not the first time he’s said this. Or the 2nd, or the 3rd.

As for THIS…

“But I know those women didn’t just support Sen. Clinton because they share her gender. They believed that she shares their life experience, and understands their needs. They believe that she hears them.”

I don’t know why Obama thinks this, but maybe it’s true. Maybe some women really DO believe that Hillary shares their life experience, and understands their needs, and that she ‘hears them’. I think that’s bullshit, and I’m damn sure Hillary never shared any of MY life experiences, or understood my needs, or that she ever ‘heard’ me. She didn’t appear to ‘hear’ anybody asking that we not send our sons/daughters/spouses/siblings/etc off to war, so she can’t have been listening too hard.

The disparity in pay for females has been on-going for as long as Hillary has been in politics, but I never heard her address it.

Last but not least, I damn sure haven’t been waiting on, or counting on HER to break MY glass ceiling.