Nope…wrong again troublesum. (You generally are). I don’t have any trouble finding the good OR the less than good in people, because it’s not about whether I ‘like’ them or not. That’s where the difference lies.

I can like somebody just fine, as I do with my family, and friends, and colleagues, etc. I can like or love someone and still criticize their actions if they are wrong.

So the only thing that I really don’t like at all, are these criminal and hypocritical actions, regardless of who or where they come from. If you paid closer attention, you would know that I have previously defended Hillary against what were obviously unfair attacks. But that was before she started clowing and making it clear that many of the criticisms were well founded.

I do the same thing with anyone, including you, when you made stupd statements here, and I don’t even KNOW you. If a loved one made an equally stupid statement, (like the one about Obama ignoring issues concerning black people) I’d question them as well.

So, projection is when you assume that everyone else thinks like you do, and YOU think from an emotionally biased perspective, based on WHO you ‘like’ or don’t ‘like’ as opposed to the words or actions of the person.

But don’t put that on ME, because it doesn’t matter if I ‘like’ or don’t ‘like’ Hillary Clinton or any other politician for that matter. The only thing that matters is what she or he or any of them are likely to do in the position, and how it will affect the common good of our society at large.

Clinton’s WORDS and ACTIONS have proven beyond a doubt that she will not serve the common good of this nation and it’s citizens, so it doesn’t matter if I ‘like’ her or not.

Obviously if she thought she had a lock on it she wouldn’t have worked so hard to get it.  You seem to have a problem finding anything good in people you don’t like.  It says a lot more about you than you realize.  The habit of demonizing others is so transparent.  I think the psychological term is “projection”.

No…purple girl is right. Hillary should scare the shit out of any sane person that hasn’t committed to remaining in the rabbit hole for the rest of their days.

No, obviously stupid remarks are a sign of argumentative weakness, whatever your name is.

Well, we can sure tell that you don’t hang around with Obama or any of the rest of us who took the time to learn how to read and write.

You don’t even LIE well.

troublesum, she’s actually been running for the job all of her life, and she didn’t need the media to tell her that she had a ‘lock’ on it. She believed that herself, and she told them.

How pathological is it for ANY person to believe that they have a ‘lock’ on anything, least of all that job? If she had a ‘lock’ on it, that would mean that the US form of government is a Monarchy, and not a democracy.

Yes, yes, I realize that it has that ‘appearance’, and Hillary obviously thought we were a monarchy as well. But, on paper, things are different.

So, anyone who believed that Hillary had a ‘lock’ on the job, (including Hillary, the media, and anyone who believed Hillary and the media) is either misinformed, (thinking that we’re a monarchy) or patholocial.

Is she a monster ONLY because of that? Probably not. Has she said and done multiiple other things to prove that she is? Yep.

Thanks jbart. I think you ARE ‘on target’ on “Mary”, and you can add him/her/it to the list to be prosecuted.

I can’t say that I appreciate his/her/its involvement in the discourse as much as you do, but I can’t do much about it either, at least until you’ve got ‘em ready for prosecution. Let me know.

You make a lot of sense, jackpine savage. Thanks for your comments.  Obviously, I agree.

I see how you got your name.

Clinton’s reasons for staying in the race may be less pathological than many people here seem to think.  She’s been running for the job for at least two years and for the most of that time the media was telling her (and us) that she had a lock on the nomination.  It’s hard to give up something you love.
That makes her human, not some kind of monster.

It is?  Perhaps my rampant paranoia doesn’t allow me to see the wonders of the Democratic Party.

It sure looks like they’ve led, abetted, or at least cheerleaded on all the things that are so disgraceful about modern Amerika.

They didn’t stand in the way of the PATRIOT Act, nor the homegrown terrorism act, nor the march to a futile and bloody occupation.  I haven’t heard the Democratic Party make ending torture a campaign platform.  I haven’t heard the Party or any of its spokespeople tell the economic truth to the American people.

I do know that Democrats have been responsible for just as many wars as Republicans.  I know that at least 500,000 Iraqi children died during the Democratic era of “peace and prosperity”.

But whatever, its just my paranoia talking…

Calling me dingey, STUPID, dingbat and moron is right from the huge treasure trove of your many character assassinations. I am not the first and certainly not the only blogger whom you have ever reviled. Character assassination is widely recognized as a sign of argumentative weakness. I have never called you dingey, STUPID, dingbat or moron and I do not debate with character assassins of any political stripe. I will therefore not need to answer your questions ever. You have revealed yourself more than adequately. Thanks for that!

Cyrena is PISSED - again.  That’s not a dig, we need more pissed-off citizens not to mention members of Congress.  I’ll only add that dihey has assumed that the other 99 members of the Senate will be willing to let Hillary speak for all of them.  Fat chance.  In fact, some of those venerable old political war-horses may just send her out to pasture.  (They haven’t enmasse exactly come out supporting her in her bid for the nomination.)

•  “In some cases, as for example health care, she may even turn out to be a formidable opponent of his policies.”

This makes no sense. Why would she be a ‘formidable OPONENT” when they are both democrats (at least she claims to be one) and the health care policies offered by BOTH of them, are nearly IDENTICAL, with the exception of the fact that Hillary’s requires a mandatory purchase of the insurance, and Obama’s does not. So, again, this makes no sense.

It particularly makes no sense for her (or any other democrat who claims to want the best for the American PEOPLE) to be a ‘formidable OPPONENT” of her own parties’ leader in the office.

So, do you have any clue to how you make clear the very problem that exists? This overwhelming need and desire to FIGHT, even against those with whom you claim to share pragmatic solutions to common problems? Do you know prove by this, that it is simply a vindictive ‘her against the rest of us’ just for choosing someone else?

Again, why would she want to be a formidable opponent of his policies on heath care when those policies are essentially the same? Only if Obama IMPROVES his policies, to bring them closer in line with a single payer system that can eliminate more of the insurance industry, would Hillary be likely to disapprove. So far, he hasn’t given any indication of that, even though many of us would certainly like to see him do that. We wouldn’t expect HER to.

This is even dumber…

•  “…She will closely monitor what President Obama is doing about the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Will he transfer troops from Iraq to Afghanistan? How many? What if he, like Bush, asks for more war funding without any conditions attached?...

Dingey,

Hillary has been on the Senate Armed Services Committee since 2003. (same year she voted to send the US troops in war against Iraq) She’s approved of every single ‘emergency appropriations’ funding measure for the wars that Bush has ever put in view. Despite being on the Armed Services Committee for the entire time that we’ve ‘at war’, Hillary hasn’t demanded a single thing be done for our troops. Why in the hell do you think she’ll start now?

•  “The proverbial shit will hit the proverbial fan. Senator Clinton is far from finished and if Obama does not understand this now he will have to pay dearly for it later.

So in other words, Hillary and her supporters didn’t get what they wanted, (her as the pres) and now we’ll ALL pay for it, including those of her own party, because that’s what it’s all about, right? Has nothing to do with what’s best for all, but just the fact that Hillary won’t get the job she wanted, so we’ll just all pay. That sounds great.

Meantime, what “Mr. Robinson” are you talking about here?

•  “He certainly must not appoint Mr. Robinson as an adviser (is Robinson brown-nosing to become Obama’s press secretary?).

You are sooo STUPID! Since when did ‘press secretaries’ become ADVISORS to presidents? And what makes you think that Eugene Robinson, a journalist, is interested in becoming a press secretary to the White House?

Nope, no wild accusations from me here dingbat. You’re just a moron who is dead set against any black person being in the executive office, and you’re obviously not a democrat, (old or new) and you certainly prefer constant agitation, turmoil, and chaos to any form f unity in upholding what most folks recognize to be democratic principles.

You appear to thrive on hate.

Please look up the definition o “transmogrify” and read every blog comment string here and elsewhere. With each grotesque distortion of the Clintons you encounter, you will find his choice of words very apt indeed.

What you and many other here fail to grasp is that those of us complaining about Hillary bashing aren’t suggesting that it always comes from mysogeny. We’re not saying she’s a victim because she is a woman. What we have often said is that the appalling, slanderous, personal assault on this woman is often expressed in sexist language - which is itself appalling - and that PC protections against racist comments have pretty much silenced mainstream pundits (and even a majority of blogs and blog commenter) from personally going after Obama lest they be branded as racist, whie similar protections don’t exist for Hillary, because sexism isn’t looked upon with similar horror and disdain.

Hillary never claimed to speak for women. She believes she speaks for all Americans, just as Obama does. But there are a lot of women for whom Hillary’s candidacy itself speaks. And when you attack Hillary personally, rather than argue her policies or even what she says, they take that personnally themselves.

My first twinge of discomfort was when Rodham said that her mother named her after Sir E. Hillary who climbed Everest.  Trouble was when R. was born he hadn’t climbed it yet.

The twinges have grown into downright pangs, most notably her rendition of the Kosovo caper.  And, by the way, wasn’t Chelsea there?  Why didn’t she stop her mother after the first of the three stories?

I Googled ‘pathological lying,’ got Wiki-answers and it’s a good thing Rodham seems to be losing the nomination

If Hillary Clinton would have become the potential nominee of the Democratic Party and Obama had continued campaigning to the end, would you accept that he divided the party and destroyed any hopes for the Democrats to gain the White House? I want your honest answer if you have one.

Dead Wrong. There is no Democratic nominee yet.

Obviously you are not a reincarnation of Mother Teresa!

No one, above all Mr. Robinson, seems to realize that Hillary Clinton by continuing her campaign for the nomination is very effectively raising popular support, especially among women, for a program of policies which she will push if and when she returns to the U.S. Senate with considerably more respect hence clout than she had one year ago. President Obama, assuming that he will be nominated and elected, will then have to deal with a formidable and potentially independent Senator Clinton. It is not too far fetched to believe that she might stitch together an effective “Clinton Coalition” in the Senate. In some cases, as for example health care, she may even turn out to be a formidable opponent of his policies. She will closely monitor what President Obama is doing about the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Will he transfer troops from Iraq to Afghanistan? How many? What if he, like Bush, asks for more war funding without any conditions attached? The proverbial shit will hit the proverbial fan. Senator Clinton is far from finished and if Obama does not understand this now he will have to pay dearly for it later. He certainly must not appoint Mr. Robinson as an adviser (is Robinson brown-nosing to become Obama’s press secretary?). Once she has returned to the Senate the ‘Clinton-haters’ of the campaign trail can rant and rave as much as they desire; they will be politically impotent because they cannot touch her in the Senate. Do I support her policy program? Except for her health insurance plan, my answer is no and I do not care a whit about the hot air from Obama and McCain either (this to protect myself from potential wild accusation by Cyrena that I am a secret Hillary-lover). What they offer is not “new”. It is old wine sold in new bottles.

It is really getting old, this constant transmogrifying of Bill or Hillary Clinton.  Every commentator has to take a whack.  Give it a rest.  Take note that the population as a whole doesn’t think that Ms. Clinton tortures puppies and eats babies (Krugman’s characterization).  She’s essentially dead even with Mr. Obama—IN SPITE OF YOU!!
About the only thing you will accomplish by this constant piling on is irritating many of the people whose votes Mr. Obama will need come November.

Two thirds of your description of Clinton fits you pretty well, too. I’ll assume that power and wealth aren’t high on your priority. And perhaps “twinges” may not sufficiently capture your paranoia.

We’ve got problems in this country, systemic problems. Exagerating them, giving them a cloak of conspiracy, and insulting everyone who isn’t on board with your…singular…view of the world won’t do much to change minds. No matter how articulately presented (and you are indeed articulate), we will tune you out - not because we’re afraid of the truth, but because your mountaintop proclamations are conspicuously detached from reality (and insulting to boot).

I do agree with you on one thring, though: electing Obama will not solve our systemic problems any more than electing Clinton will. Our capitalist, market-based economic system has become malignant. This isn’t the result of any conspiracy or personal power grab; it’s intrinsic to the system, and inevitable unless safeguards are in place. The problem with Democrats is they can’t seem to agree on which safeguards are needed. And the problem with Republicans is they refuse to believe that any safeguards are necessary at all.

At least with Democrats, the diseased body politic is getting treated.

Here’s a little quote from My Life (by Bill Clinton or his ghostwriter) talking about the same 1992 nomination contest that Sen Clinton now says was a nail-biter right into June.

“On April 7, we also won in Kansas, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. On April 9, Paul Tsongas announced that he would not reenter the race. The fight for the nomination was effectively over.”

The first contest was held on Feb 10 and the race was effectively over by April 9…that’s two months.  This one has gone on for six already.  Yes, it’s just like 1992…excuse me, it seems that i’m taking sniper fire here and need to run for cover.

No wonder you’re purple. Stop sucking on that conspiracy hooka and take a deep breath of fresh air.

What will be left of Hillary Clinton?  The same thing that she started with: an overwhelming, nearly all consuming quest for personal power and wealth; a delusional sense of herself; and twinges of paranoia.

It’s all very presidential…or at least that’s what we’ve come to expect after the last two presidents.

I hope that she does go to the convention with this; i hope that she destroys her political career and the “legacy” [sic] of her husband; and i hope that she rips the Democratic Party asunder in the process.  The only party more deserving of being relegated to the dustbin of history is the Republican Party.

Together, they’ve bankrupted this nation financially and morally.  Together they’ve spread death, disease, destruction and poverty around the globe.  As individuals and avatars, the Clintons and the Bushes have sold the future of their children and grandchildren for personal gain today.

Revering them explains a great deal about the behavior of my compatriots, and fully explains the mess that we are in.  My initial description of Sen Clinton fits a great many Americans just right.

Excuse me?  What was “twisted” in her words here?  She named examples of nomination contests that had gone on this long, and in doing so she twisted the actual history to fit her preconceived mental picture.  Just because you want to believe it doesn’t make it true.

She is not “fighting to save our country”...and neither is Barack Obama.  If you want this country “saved”, the first thing you have to do is realize that saving it is your job.

And you’re delusional if you think that all of this consists wholly of misogyny and Jungian transference.  Wake up.  Wake up and deal with the fact that this isn’t new; this is the same crap that the Clintons pulled for nearly a decade.  You fell for it then, and you’re falling for it now.  It’s time to start processing the crap before you’re covered in it…again.

People around me wondered in the beginning why I wasn’t a Hillary supporter.  Afterall, I was an over 50 woman, believed in equal rights, and so forth.  Somehow, I just wasn’t falling for her line.  She, even back then, seemed like a total political animal that would say anything to get elected.  Maybe it was because she voted to go to war.  That told me volumes about her.  And I couldn’t forgive that, no matter how many times she tried to twist it and turn it into NOT a vote for the war.  She has put herself up as the frontrunner, the inevitable, and then when things go badly for her, she plays the poor victimized woman.  She tries to have it all ways.  That’s the Clintons.  I don’t trust them, never have.

he ruse of the RFK campaign could have stopped at RFK was campaigning in June too. No need to even state he was Assassinated. But then again she had plenty of other instances to draw from, but chose not too. seh also intentionally failed to mention that this campaign has dragged on for over a YEAR, unlike either ‘92 or ‘68- or any other prior Nominating Process. I was immediately Offended by the comment and even more Irrate when she FAILED TO Apologize to the Obama’s for such a comment. 3 times she has used this scenario, was she hoping it would be the ‘Charm’. I will hold her Personally responisble should ANYTHING befall Sen Obama or his family. I will Not give her ‘the benefit of the Doubt’!this constant “Mis speak” only indicates she is willing to say anything to win- How many ‘Mis speaks’ is she up to NOW? Does she think we need another Pres who must be escorted at all times by an Interpretor? Even when speaking English? she has proven She is incompetent or Vile! both are grounds for ‘Unelectablity’. This was a most disgusting thing that has come out of her mouth. BUT her comments -also repeated- Regarding ‘Obliterating Iran’ with Nukes Places US in danger of further attacks- Seh , like Bush & Cheney &  their lastest puppet Mac, are provoking and encouraging recruitment of US hating Extremist . Not to mention they seem to all be Buring into Hagee’s “Pre- emptive strike on Iran ’ to set the wheels in motion for ‘Armegeddon’(HIS FIRST DOMINO in HIS ‘divine’ Plan).I used to be an avid supporter through out the’90’s, thrilled when she won the Seat, look forward to her run for the WH (inevitable, reason she stayed w/ Bill, even US supporters KNEW THAT!).Then she started Voting, caving, paving and remaining Silent..I began to have great misgivings about her.Then she started this campaign- and her employment of ‘Rovian’ (Cheney) tactics, I began to HATE HER< DISPISE HER…Then these last 2 ‘Mis Speaks’ mad me realize SHE IS TO BE FEARED by any real American Patriot. She has proven (along with most of the other DLC’ers) She is nothing more than a Covert Operative , A Sociopathic Neo CON in blue. She presents a major National Security threat!I don’t want her JUST kicked out of the Dem party, or the Senate.. I want her to stand trial for her part of the Conspiracy to Endanger this country as a Memeber of the Armed Services Com (con). Her ,and the Rest, Blanantly FAILED their Oversight Duties. Their ‘Reckless Endangerment’ has not only cost US our economy, our Resources, but OUR CHILDRENS BLOOD (and far more around the world) .TREASON, WAR CRIMES AND CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY! Every last SOB’s fingerprints have been on the last 7 yrs- and for some (Cheney,Rummy ,Wolfie..) the last 40 yrs, sold US to the Saudis, the UAE and Isreali ‘Gov’ts’!
Get out the recycled Paper Plates, because Silver is too Good for them!