Israel’s Self-Destruction as a Jewish State

“Israel has sinned, and they have also transgressed my covenant which I commanded them: for they have even taken of the accursed thing, and have also stolen, and dissembled also, and they have put it even among their own stuff.” (Joshua 7:11).

Corruption has been existed and institutionalized in the Occupied Palestine since its inception as a Zionist entity.

On many and numerous occasions the systematic and proven genocide by the Zionists have been demonstrated by all concerned.

The corruption was born together with the occupation, and not by accident.
A lot has been said about the Nakba on the occasion of Zionists’ 60th anniversary and long before that. But one phenomenon that accompanied the Nakba is not only consistently ignored but also tightly has been guarded ever since:

the massive theft of abandoned Arab properties and belongings.
During the 1948 massacres, rapes, burnings, lootings and expulsions, some 200.000 to 300.000 Arab families abandoned their homes (Britannia Encyclopaedia).
Many of them lived in simple dwellings; as well as many were living in elegant houses in Jaffa, Jerusalem, Haifa and the rest of the Palestinians’ home land.
What happened to the interior of these homes?
What happened to the tens of thousands of expensive carpets, all kinds of household items and personal belongings, refrigerators, wardrobes, musical instruments,….?
Where did the inventories of shops and stores go?
Simple: They were all stolen.
They were distributed amongst the assassins and rapist alike.
To this DAY no report or news has been published in this regards.
From the top echelon of Hanaga, to Irgun assassination squads, Zionists’ mercenaries to the transport sections and the cronies of people in charge, who came with Lorries and trucks and loaded up everything they came across.
That was of no secret.
According to the old landlady that I was staying with during my last May visit to Orshalim, “We knew and talked about this all the time, for years one could see the sofas and armchairs covered with velvet draping in private living rooms and offices”.
But the phenomenon was never investigated, and later on was smothered and suppressed, right down the line from David Ben-Gurion, Menachem Begin to today’s of Ehuds Olmert, Barak, et al.
The theft in broad daylight of the properties abandoned by hundred of thousands of individuals already violated the most basic ethos, the ethos that was even then accepted and implemented by the SS and the rest of the Nazis.
The denial and suppression made it worse. But the large-scale corruption, whose bitter fruit we see now in all its ugliness, started indeed with the occupation in 1948.
The corruption charges against Olmert, the envelopes stuffed with Talansky’s cash, the cigars, and the luxury suites in posh hotels, the heinousness of Olmert is no different from that of Benjamin Netanyahu or Ehud Barak.
When Barak, Bibi Netanyahu or Livin accuse Olmert of thievery and corruption it is like the kettle calling the pot black.
Just recently commandante Barak acquired his highly sought after penthouse in the most expensive area in Tel-Aviv.
Although no exact figure is available for the said transaction but according to Jerusalem Post, the going rate for the same type of apartments are around $2.000.000!!
How does one get so rich in such a short time?
No doubt that the General has been saving extremely hard in his pig-bank all these years as a ‘good soldier’, and probably has equipped and decorated his penthouse with plenty of oriental and Arab origin furniture!!
According to one of the fundamentals of natural laws, what goes round will come around.
Thank you and good day.

cyrena,

Thank you for your follow up to maintain some kind of personal contact with me.Most appreciated.

Another surprise:I am informed by Td of this thread that Expat has just posted a post.As I try to get to Expat’s post,there is NO WAY I CAN GET TO,if it was really posted.It seems somebody in there(for this thread) dictates what he/she want me to read.Even the option rectangular and the word Help followed by the question mark has been deleted all together.In other words,helpless bloggers like me,whose computer skill
and manipulations are limited are a bunch of dirt and deserve NO HELP and it is better to just keep them struggling in trying to understand what is going on,instead of tackling the issue and the subject matter at hand which it has certainly exposed Zionism and the Zionists as they should or rather must be exposed.

cyrena,it really hurts just posting this message to you on this thread.Please get my E-mail from Shenon as soon as you can.And let me have your mailing address.Many,many thanks.
Best to you,as always,
Nabih

Subject:Failure

cyrena,

I sent you two separate E-mails to the following E-mail address: mandysan2006-blogmail at yaho dot com and both had failed to reach you since I received the following feed back twice:

Delivery status notification(Failure)

cyrena,I am about to just give up because I feel that
in spite of my good intention I am not accomplishing
anything-just wasting my time and yours.Besides,I hate to continue posting on a thread that I feel I
am censored;and more importantly I wish to give moral support to Non Credo who challenged so EFFECTIVELY the myths and lies of Zionism more than anybody I happened to know-with real gusto.I am too faithful to the abstract morality that has tied me to Non Credo whom I have never met,nor have I have any idea whether I am supporting a man or a woman.The moral commonality that ties me with Non Credo’s moral stand is good enough for me.

A note to Karim29007: I have received the same formal and unsigned E-mail you have received.It seems to me what may be acceptable to you for the cause may not be acceptable to me.When I abandon a dedicated person
to a just cause because of unjust censorship,I will be telling those who are enjoying their power to censor,more power to you and you and me will be next.
In fact,I have good reason to believe that I have been censored since the first posting I posted on
TD,a year ago.

Rest assured, I will expose the distortions,lies and fabrications and myths of the Zionist ideology as long as I live.In fact,I have already started posting once a week in the comments section of the Washington
Post whose readership much much greater than the readership of TD.I hope that I have made myself clear.

Karim29007,if the means are not clean from the beginning,the end result will be filthy and I do not
wish to have anything to do with such an unhealthy
situation,to put mildly.

The only way I may consider posting here is when the
ban on Non Credo is lifted.
Sincerely,
Nabih Ammari
An Independent in Ohio.

Subject: The on-goings in Truthdig,

Good morning all, Cyrena, Nabih and the rest of the comrades.

Yesterday I received the TD’s response to my open letters.

1) I do not believe there is any “Infiltration” or “Substitution” by a third party.
2) There has been “Some” changes in editorial personnel and hence more vigilance in so far as the application of the site’s “Terms and Conditions” are concerned.
3) TD owns the site, stating the obvious, and they have the legitimate right of control over the management policy.

Now let’s get back to the main issue.

If we take up and assume the most cynical and pessimistic comprehension in so far as the “On-goings” are concerned and hence retreat to isolation, and withdraw our support by channelling our attention and responsibilities to some other issues, do you not accept the fact that “That is exactly what they want you to do?”
You are far more effective by fighting within than without.
The issue of OCCUPIED PALESTINE AND THE ON GOING GENOCIDE OF PALESTINIANS for the last 60-years is probably one of the most, if not the most, horrendous and biggest CRIME that has been committed in the history of man kind.

The TIDE is turning.

The American general public is waking up, slowly but surely.

The Zionists and their agents are aware of it and that is the main reason that “They” are so nervous and touchy. This was quite visible while I was in Orshalim.
Without the America Military and Financial support the Zionists and Zionism will melt away like a dirty slush on a sidewalk.

Be alert as you are and keep on the good work, and remember:

JUSTICE HAS NO STATUTE OF LIMITATION.

Thank you and good day.
Karim.

P.S.:
My regards to Non Grata!!

Subject:Your last post to me,today

curena,

This is to inform you that your last post to me,which started with"Dearest Nabih”,and in which you had/have
graciously provided me with a temporary E-mail address to send you my own E-mail address had/has been deleted.I read it in the morning and I goofed in a sense that I did not write it down as I read it, because I was in a harry to meet some of my obligations towards my semi-disabled wife.

Will you please post your temporary E-mail address once again on this thread.Many thanks.

I do not know what exactly is going on at Truthdig,
but I deduce from the erratic behavior with such an
innocent post that somebody does not like what we
communicate or somebody has infiltrated Truthdig and
really trying to create distrust between Truthdig and
its loyal bloggers/posters.Your guess is just as good
as mine.Unreal.
Best Regards,
Nabih

Re:How utterly disgusting June 2

Expat,

This is to let you know that I have made up my mind: I am not going to post at Truthdig as soon as I make sure cyrena gets a GOOD-BYE post from me.I think very highly of her posts.That is why she has earned my profound respect and appreciation and I may post the
GOOD BYE post at different thread to make sure she reads it.

Two additional posts have been deleted in the last few hours:my post in which I responded to Grolsch’s
first post and Grolsch’s post to which I had responded to.What a Shameful act,for sure,reflecting on Truthdig and the staff who editor/editors of this thread!!!

Expat,it has been a privilege communicating with you
and reluctantly I say GOOD-BYE to you too.

Sincerely yours,
Nabih Ammari
An Independent in Ohio.

The Zionist Dream Of Creating A Jewish State Was Doomed From The Start

“Why is that?”

“It’s at least a century too late.”

“Meaning?”

“The Jewish settlers can’t get away with doing to Palestinians what we did to Native Americans.”

“Which is what it’ll take if the Zionists are to realize their dream of creating a Jewish state.”

“Fortunately there’s a viable alternative.”

“Which is?”

“The Jewish settlers apologize to the Palestinians for having barged in uninvited and taken over their homeland.”

“Anything else?”

“They ask the Palestinians if it would be possible for Palestinian and Jew to sit down together for the purpose of working things out.”

“Based on?”

“One equals one.”

A poster below writes: “Stop blaming everything under the sun and moon on Zionism. It’s childish.”
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It’s amazing. In our government, our press, and the foreign policy “think tanks”, we heard a non-stop chorus of pro-Israel zealots urging us to war against Iraq, as we now hear them urging us on to Iran, but these same people would have us believe it’s mere coincidence when our government actually DOES pursue the policies they urge.

“Why, the Bush administration just HAPPENED to go to war against Iraq as we were screaming for it to do! But that wasn’t at all for Israel. They did it for oil, or whatever. They just HAPPENED to do what we wanted them to do!

“And now, they are just HAPPENING to undertake a war against Iran! But it’s not because of us! It’s not because of tiny, weak, underdog Israel! No! Once again, Bush is going to war for um, oil, or, or something...! We’re as surprised as anyone that once again it just happens to be exactly what Israel wants!”

Howard writes:

“Isreael is not KEEPING the territories.  Whom do they give them to? “

The people who live there, obviously. They’re called Palestinians.

No, Pfaff shows that Israel’s insistence on keeping the occupied territories has doomed it. And as a poster below writes:

“America’s fatal entanglement with Zionism is ruining the United States of America as we bankrupt ourselves in support of a Zionist project which, as Pfaff shows, is a certain failure anyway.”

Pfaff writes: “… the Middle East since the end of the Cold War has lost its strategic interest for the West. It possesses oil, certainly. But it is much easier to buy oil on the international market than to invade countries and fight for it...”

And here in a nutshell we see why the “war for oil” notion is ridiculous as the underlying explanation for the Iraq war, and even more so for the upcoming war against Iran.

Why? Because even if we did go to war against Iraq partly “for oil”, we are only reduced to getting oil in this ridiculously, suicidally costly manner because, FOR ISRAEL AND ISRAEL ALONE, we are forced to maintain mortally hostile relations with some of these countries that have oil (as well as others that don’t have oil, like Syria).

Because, as Pfaff writes so truthfully: “...it is much easier to buy oil on the international market than to invade countries and fight for it...”

America’s fatal entanglement with Zionism is ruining the United States of America as we bankrupt ourselves in support of a Zionist project which, as Pfaff shows, is a certain failure anyway.

For a long-term durable solution to the Arab Israeli conflict, a single democratic and secular state for Jews and Palestinians needs to evolve. Other solutions are like band-aid treatment to cancer. The dream of an exclusive Jewish state in Palestine is unsustainable, unless the Palestinians vanish. 
Politicizing Genesis 15:18 to occupy Palestine politicized the Quran. The Arab Israeli conflict has become a religious war that could last for a thousand years.
The Zionist dream of a purely Jewish state is unsustainable, unless the Palestinians vanish. A single state for Arabs and Jews is the realistic hope to stop the cycle of violence and end Islamist radicalization. 
Arab and Jew can live together peaceably. In his Coningsby, B. Disraeli (1868 and 1874-1880), so far the only British premier of Jewish parentage, describes Jewish “halcyon centuries” in Muslim Spain. Sultan Bayezid-II (1481-1512) encouraged thousands of Jews to settle in his Muslim Ottoman Empire from Spain. That the migration of 850,000 Jews from Arab lands around 1948 was due to Arab maltreatment of Jews is an unfair charge. This happened when 500 Palestinian villages were de-populated and 800,000 became refugees.
Islam venerates Judaism. The Quran made Abraham the first Muslim. Islam is the Religion of Abraham. Quranic Chapter 14 is named after Abraham and, to Joseph Chapter 12.
Feeling powerless, Arabs invoked hostile Verses, recounted stories of Prophetic troubles with Jewish tribes, drew lessons from substituting Friday for the Sabbath and the direction during prayer from Jerusalem to Mecca. For thirteen centuries, however, these were non-issues. Politicizing the Bible pushed frustrated moderate Arabs into orthodoxy and the orthodox into Jihadism.
Had Zionism adhered to Balfour’s declaration: “Nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities,” no conflict would have developed.
The Bible and the Quran must be de-politicized.
The two-state solution is capricious:
1. Demographically, a purely Jewish state is unachievable.
2. Jerusalem, borders, security, water, settlements, and the refugees are intractable. When Clinton, Barak, and Arafat met in July 2000, these issues collapsed the talks.
3. Even if a miracle patches up a two-state agreement, the extremists on both sides would undermine it.
4. The Arab masses reject Zionism. Israel’s treaties with Egypt (1979) and Jordan (1994) failed to develop beyond diplomatic offices.
Western secular democratic ideals should inspire a single secular democratic state:
1. The intractable obstacles would disappear.
2. Arabs and Jews will be commingled. Arabs would no longer boycott their Jewish cousins.
3. Everyone will access to the entirety of Palestine. The Jewish settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem are instruments of integration between Palestinians and Jews, not segregation, a mixture as difficult to unscramble today as removing the Palestinian Israelis from Israel. 
Durable peace requires the welcome of the Arab masses. The Jews who had lived among Arabs share customs, habits, values, food, music, dance, and, for the older generation, the Arabic language.
In provoking the enmity of their age-old Muslim friends, Zionism has disserved the strategic interests of the Jewish people. In Christian Europe, centuries of culminated in the Holocaust.
A conference at London University’s School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) was held on November 17-18, 2007 to address the various aspects of the secular democratic one-state solution.

Elie Elhadj; Author: The Islamic Shield
http://www.universal-publishers.com/book.php?method=IS BN&book=1599424118
Blog: http://journals.aol.com/eeh100/daring-opinion/

All of Non Credo’s posts, on every thread, have been deleted.

It looks like Truthdig may have a pro-Israel zealot on staff doing the gate-keeping for comments now.

I’m sure whoever it is thinks of himself or herself as a “liberal"—

— just as Alan Dershowitz, the Zionist torture advocate, thinks of himself as a “civil libertarian” (and is always obediently and absurdly introduced as such when he appears as an “expert” on our TV “news” and commentary programs).

Of course, it is quite possible that the person who posted the plagiarism complaint was also Non Credo, trying to break through the censorship imposed on him.

Dear cyrena,Expat,nahida and anybody else with same
sentiment…

Please accept my sincere gratitude for joining me in
expressing and adding your sentiments to mine as
expressed in my special message to Non Credo.

Please notice that I have refrained from passing any
judgment on the editor/editors of this forum because
I simply do not know the reason/reasons for the deletion of Non Credo’s posts that have already been
posted,nor have I any idea of the reason/reasons for
banning him/her from posting here on this thread.

What has aggravated the situation of deletion and
banning of Non Credo’s posts is the fact that the
two posts of the person who called our attention(I mean the attentions of all bloggers)to the fact that an Act of Theft or rather an Act of Plagiarism had/has been committed by Howard;specifically from
the National Review magazine were also,and all of a sudden deleted.I recall the name of the person who has exposed Howard’s plagiarism from the National Review was Patwalt or something close to that.The beauty of Patwalt’s posts was in the fact that,in one of them,he/she gave a link to check for the plagiarism that had/has been committed.I did check the link given by Patwalt and had found it to be completely true:Plagiarism has been committed from the National Review magazine,words by words,sentence by sentence and paragraph by paragraph as they appeared in Re:Review of History,May 31.

To make certain that Patwalt’s comments are true,about the deletion of all Non Credo’s posts that have already been posted; and banned from posting any more posts,I had checked slowly but surly this thread from start to finish,looking for Non Credo’s posts I had happened reading just a few hours ago.Sadly,I could find none,whatsoever.I only could wonder and keep wondering and asking WHY,WHY,WHY and more WHYS...???

Yours very truly,
Nabih Ammari
An Independent in Ohio.

An open letter to Truthdig editorial management

Ref.: 1) Non Credo
2) Howard.

What has taken place regarding the incident of disallowing Non Credo is in no way acceptable so far as “Freedom of Expression” IS concerned on this site.

I have been participating on some of the issues raised HERE and in particular the “60-years of Genocide by the ZIONISTS in the occupied territories” for the last 2-years.

To the best of my knowledge Non Credo has been a contributor of a rare character with his honest and knowledgeable insight and in conjunction with utmost principled ethical behaviour and illustrated manner.

You have all his records and postings.
I personally demand an explanation for your rushed decision in this regards.

2) Howard, I watched and observed his behavioural approach and postings from the very early days, close to the past 20-months.
What he posted and was exposed as “Blatant act of plagiarism”, not only was ignored but it exposure and the related post was taken of the site almost instantaneously (Please refer to my yesterday letter which I posted immediately on the subject).

This is not the first time this character, Howard, with his 24/7 availability on this site has “Copied, pasted and posted”.

He has not got the ability to make “An ordinary “contribution to any subject let alone such sensitive and complicated ISSUE as the “Palestinians & the ZIONISTS”.

It would be an honourable attitude if YOU SIR come out and have the decency to make an announcement in regards to a, for example, being taken-over or bought by some other entities, after all business is business and we have seen it with the likes of NEWS CORPORATION, NYT, WASHINGTON POST AND THE REST OF ZIONIST’S CONTROLLED MEDIA IN THE US AND ELSEWHERE.

Finally I thanking you for your time and attention and looking forward to your response.

Yours Truly,

Karim.

This is indeed a sad and scary picture of what Israel has become.

I watched this character nearly for the past two years.

On this particular post and some others in the mentioned period, there were many discrepancies along the lines of its contents, phraseologies, grammar and vocabularies.

That did not just tally with his numerous and “normal” previous postings.

It was too sophisticated, well researched, the grammars were educated, correct and well placed.

Adding to that, the time interval was extremely brief for so many successive postings on such a relatively sensitive and delicate topic.

One could fool some for some times, but not all for all the times.

Shame on you.

Subject:A poem by Mahmoud Darwish about his Palestine

The following translated poem by Mahmoud Darwish,a Well Known Palestinian poet,shows profoundly how the great and struggling Palestinian people feel about their beloved Palestine that was stolen from them through international intrigues and Zionists aggression.The Zionists descended down from Russia and Eastern Europe and later on from Western Europe and U.S.They came as wave after wave of people with a bellicose and belligerent agenda culminated in the creation of the State of Israel in 1948,at the expense of the Palestinian people,the real owners
of the land of Palestine:

As long as a hand-span of my hand remains
as long as I have an olive tree-
A lemon tree-
A well-and a cactus plant
As long as I have but a single memory
A tiny library
A grand father’s picture-and a wall
As long as Arabic words are uttered
And folk songs are sung
In my land
Scribes of poetry
Tales of Antar Al-Abse
Epics of the wars against Persia and Rome
As long as I possess my eyes
Lips and hands
My own-self!
I shall declare in the face of my foe!
A fierce struggle of liberation
In the name of free men everywhere
Workers-Students-and poets-
I shall declare-
And let the cowards-enemies of the sun
Be satisfied of the bread of shame…

From the profound love of the Palestinians for their
land of Palestine as I could sense from the above
poem,I would conclude that there would be no peace in
that part of the world unless the Israeli Zionists
wise up and de-Zionize themselves by themselves so that they would become just PEACE LOVING JEWS,as all
conscientious Jews,I happened to know,were and are.

Before the Zionists conquest of Palestine,some Arabs
and some Jews of Palestine were helping one other by
baby-setting to one another.Zionism has destroyed
such noble relationship.The current violent relations
between the Arabs and Israelis are sadly abnormal.

Zionism is the problem and the majority of the Palestinians and Israelis are innocent of what is going on.
Sincerely,
Nabih Ammari
An Independent in Ohio.

On Israel’s Self-Destruction as a Jewish State

“40 per cent of all recent recruits to the IDF have criminal records”. The newspaper Yediot Ahronot, Jerusalem.

Good morning all and good to be back.

Well, finally not only I made it to the Promise Land but also most of the countries in the region including Lebanon, Syria and Iran.

It was journey that wanted to do for a long time and worth waiting for.

“Situation is desperate” ynetNews, Jerusalem

This short sentence is quite descriptive and revealing.

In all I spent 19-days in the “Occupied Land”, visited Tel-Aviv, but mostly stayed in Jerusalem (Orshalim, the original name in Arabic).

There is not much to be said about Tel-Aviv. Highly urbanized, chaotic, harsh, grim and greed.

Orshalim and the West Bank was my main aim to see and in specific to be there in “honor” of the Zlands’s 60th anniversary.

Back in the days of Apartheid South-Africa, I receive an offer of working for an engineering firm there just after graduation, an opportunity I could not resist or miss adding to the fact that the said offer included all expenses paid!

I spent 10-days in Johannesburg and visited SOWETO and its surrounding townships on few occasions before leaving South-Africa.

Within few hours in Orshalim, it was as if Johannesburg/Soweto revisited all-over again and more, lot more.
The similarity between Johannesburg/Pretoria and Orshalim and its Arab-designated area are striking; Physically, mentally and socially.

Wherever you go there are IDF soldiers and skull-caped settlers fully armed with Automatic-rifles and side-arms.
On many occasions helmets worn by the soldiers had the insignia “I was born to kill”.

The landlady that I was staying with was an old switched-on Zionist whom I liked her openness and we did talk a lot.
“Everyone wants to leave; my bed and breakfast business is on the market and would like to live in Florida”.
“Politic is S**t and politicians are all thieves and bastards, give them 100 bucks and they are yours from top to bottom”, she said.
What is the situation with the Arabs?, I asked.
“The F**kers have put a curse on us, no matter what we de to them makes no difference and it has gone from bad to worse” she said.

Despite of tens of millions of dollars and massive amount propaganda, the 60th anniversary of occupation and genocide was a very sad state of affair and a bleak reminder of how the Zionists and their agents here in the US are desperately trying to cover-up their utter failure and misery by utilizing Howitzers, F16, armoured bulldozers, targeted assassinations and creation of the biggest concentration camp in the history of mankind with more than 1.500.000 inmates.

After all to a psychopath and a mad-man with a hammer, every problem looks like a nail, so they say.
Have a good day.

P.S.:
Non credo and Cyrena keep-up the good work.

With the consent and mutual agreement of the
Australian nation, Australia will cede two parcels
of land, one on the West Coast of Australia and
one on the East. Each parcel will be comprised
of 250,000 square miles, each will have a coastline.
Each parcel will become a sovereign nation.
The one on the West Coast will be called Republic-A
the one on the East Coast will be called Republic-B.
Every current inhabitant of the lands of the
former British mandate of Palestine (not including
Jordan) will be given the choice to move and to
acquire citizenship in either Republic-A or in
Republic-B.  The election of residence will be
carried out so that Jews and Muslims will move
to opposite sides of the Australian continent.
Thereafter, the depopulated zone will be
designated a World Nature Preserve and all
human presence there will be banned for the
next ten thousand years.

Paracelsus: This fact was brought forth by a Jewish historian at Tel Aviv univ.,Prof. Shlomo Sand, auther of ,"When and how the Jewish people was invented?”.In it the auther attempt to prove that jews living in Palestine are not the true decendants of the biblical era.Current jews who descended upon Palestine after the First Zionist conference in Bazel,1897,were mostly Khazars converted into Judaism in the8th century and made Hebrew their written language.this would also apply to Jews from North Africa who converted to Islam and became the driving force, under the leadership of Tarek Bin Zid,an ex-Barbar Jew,which conquered Spain.The auther furthe states,that it was only in the 19th century, German intellectuals of Jewish origin took upon themselves the task of inventing the idea of a,"Jewish People."When Prof.Sand was asked as to who the real decendants of the inhabitants of the kingom of Judah,he answered;"chances that the Palestinians are decendants of the ancient Judaic people are much greater than the chances that you or I are its decendants”.Read the book it will shed some light on many disturbing issues.