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Posted on May 28, 2008

By William Pfaff

The laws of physics say that actions produce equivalent counteractions, and in international relations these may not be what’s expected.

American policy in the Middle East under George Bush and Condoleezza Rice has sought to polarize the region’s forces in the belief that it benefits by promoting a clear confrontation between those, as President George W. Bush said in 2001, “who are with us and those who are against us.” Washington reckons that it wins because it is, in conventional terms, the more powerful.

But suppose the situation is not a conventional one, and the application of power produces ricochet, indirect or asymmetrical reactions. Take the case of Lebanon, whose modern history is one of compromise among the communities that make up the country, which are not automatically hostile to one another but have distinct and divergent interests, and historically have also been the object of foreign intervention and attempts to set the communities against one another.

American policy has never acknowledged the fact that, to exist as a nation, the divided Lebanese have to compromise. Washington and Israel have both consistently seen Lebanon as a country that could be divided, polarized and toppled into their camp, or made to serve their interests inside the Arab camp.

Both have promoted policies intended to put the Christians in power over the Muslims, and if that proved impossible (as it has), to promote an alliance of Sunni Muslims, Druze and Christians against the Syrian- and Iranian-supported Hezbollah.

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Take what has just happened. Hezbollah, the movement that has mobilized what historically has been the poorest and least powerful Lebanese community, that of the Shiite population, has seen its power and prestige vastly increased by recent Israeli actions. Israel’s bombardment and invasion of Lebanon in 2006, provoked by Hezbollah, intended by Israel to destroy or decisively weaken Hezbollah by causing the other communities to hold it responsible for the war, was a failure.

This did not happen. Hezbollah was hailed as the victor over Israel. Lebanon nonetheless has since been in a political stalemate between what usually has been described as the “American-backed” prime minister and the hostile Shiite sympathizers of Hezbollah, over nomination of a new president.

In May, the prime minister ordered dismantlement of a secret Hezbollah-controlled communications network, clearly built to improve Hezbollah’s military performance in another war. Another crisis ensued, during which Hezbollah and allied Amal armed militants displayed their military strength by occupying western Beirut, and their political sophistication by going no further. They accepted a proposal by the secretary-general of the Arab League and the emir of Qatar for talks to settle the crisis.

This Arab intervention was an unpleasant surprise to Washington, but produced agreement for a new government under a new president, the former head of the carefully neutral Lebanese army. He has been sworn into office.

Jonathan Power, the experienced commentator on Third World affairs, has recently drawn attention to another case where policies aimed at one result have produced its opposite, this time in Israel.

He quotes Edward Luttwak’s argument (last year, in Prospect magazine) that the Middle East since the end of the Cold War has lost its strategic interest for the West. It possesses oil, certainly. But it is much easier to buy oil on the international market than to invade countries and fight for it. The American experience in Iraq demonstrates that.

The West, and the United States in particular, has always acknowledged a strategic interest, as well as moral obligation, to defend a Jewish Israel. However, the strategic interest now is absent, and as Power says, there may soon no longer be a Jewish Israel.

Israel’s systematic colonization and annexation of the Palestinian territories over the last 40 years, and equally systematic opposition to the creation of an independent Palestinian state—no longer a serious prospect, as was evident during President’s Bush’s recent visit to Israel—have turned Israel into an Arab-Jewish state under Jewish control.

The Palestinian Authority, realistically speaking, has ceased to exist; it is simply an agent of the Israeli government. Israel’s problem now is how to survive as a religiously divided single state, half-free and half-occupied.

Former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and current Prime Minister Ehud Olmert both warned their people that this would happen. It is why Sharon withdrew from Gaza. But that solved nothing, as the building of colonies continued, and continues.

Israel now finds itself a single amalgamated political entity with a huge Palestinian minority, which before long will become a majority, living in quasi-apartheid conditions. The defense of such a state can scarcely be described as a Western strategic interest.

Defend it against what? No Arab government has any interest in attacking it. The only threat to it is the hypothetical one of Iran’s as-yet-hypothetical nuclear weapons. But why should Iran attack it, as Israel undoes itself as a Jewish state?

It will have serious continuing problems of internal unrest and control, if Hamas and other groups function as domestic resistance movements. But no foreign country can do anything about that, nor would want to.

The Zionist movement, by insisting on keeping possession of Palestine, and the Palestinian population conquered in 1967, has destroyed the Jewish state it was its dream to create. This only now is being recognized.

Visit William Pfaff’s Web site at www.williampfaff.com

© 2008 Tribune Media Services, Inc.


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By Paracelsus, June 7, 2008 at 2:03 pm Link to this comment

Pourquoi le manuscrit arabe a-t-il été supprimé ? J’ai juste voulu une traduction.

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By karim29007, June 7, 2008 at 10:09 am Link to this comment
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Israel’s Self-Destruction as a Jewish State


“Israel has sinned, and they have also transgressed my covenant which I commanded them: for they have even taken of the accursed thing, and have also stolen, and dissembled also, and they have put it even among their own stuff.” (Joshua 7:11).

Corruption has been existed and institutionalized in the Occupied Palestine since its inception as a Zionist entity.

On many and numerous occasions the systematic and proven genocide by the Zionists have been demonstrated by all concerned.

The corruption was born together with the occupation, and not by accident.
A lot has been said about the Nakba on the occasion of Zionists’ 60th anniversary and long before that. But one phenomenon that accompanied the Nakba is not only consistently ignored but also tightly has been guarded ever since:

the massive theft of abandoned Arab properties and belongings.
During the 1948 massacres, rapes, burnings, lootings and expulsions, some 200.000 to 300.000 Arab families abandoned their homes (Britannia Encyclopaedia).
Many of them lived in simple dwellings; as well as many were living in elegant houses in Jaffa, Jerusalem, Haifa and the rest of the Palestinians’ home land.
What happened to the interior of these homes?
What happened to the tens of thousands of expensive carpets, all kinds of household items and personal belongings, refrigerators, wardrobes, musical instruments,….?
Where did the inventories of shops and stores go?
Simple: They were all stolen.
They were distributed amongst the assassins and rapist alike.
To this DAY no report or news has been published in this regards.
From the top echelon of Hanaga, to Irgun assassination squads, Zionists’ mercenaries to the transport sections and the cronies of people in charge, who came with Lorries and trucks and loaded up everything they came across.
That was of no secret.
According to the old landlady that I was staying with during my last May visit to Orshalim, “We knew and talked about this all the time, for years one could see the sofas and armchairs covered with velvet draping in private living rooms and offices”.
But the phenomenon was never investigated, and later on was smothered and suppressed, right down the line from David Ben-Gurion, Menachem Begin to today’s of Ehuds Olmert, Barak, et al.
The theft in broad daylight of the properties abandoned by hundred of thousands of individuals already violated the most basic ethos, the ethos that was even then accepted and implemented by the SS and the rest of the Nazis.
The denial and suppression made it worse. But the large-scale corruption, whose bitter fruit we see now in all its ugliness, started indeed with the occupation in 1948.
The corruption charges against Olmert, the envelopes stuffed with Talansky’s cash, the cigars, and the luxury suites in posh hotels, the heinousness of Olmert is no different from that of Benjamin Netanyahu or Ehud Barak.
When Barak, Bibi Netanyahu or Livin accuse Olmert of thievery and corruption it is like the kettle calling the pot black.
Just recently commandante Barak acquired his highly sought after penthouse in the most expensive area in Tel-Aviv.
Although no exact figure is available for the said transaction but according to Jerusalem Post, the going rate for the same type of apartments are around $2.000.000!!
How does one get so rich in such a short time?
No doubt that the General has been saving extremely hard in his pig-bank all these years as a ‘good soldier’, and probably has equipped and decorated his penthouse with plenty of oriental and Arab origin furniture!!
According to one of the fundamentals of natural laws, what goes round will come around.
Thank you and good day.

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By Nabih Ammari, June 6, 2008 at 9:42 pm Link to this comment
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cyrena,

Thank you for your follow up to maintain some kind of personal contact with me.Most appreciated.

Another surprise:I am informed by Td of this thread that Expat has just posted a post.As I try to get to Expat’s post,there is NO WAY I CAN GET TO,if it was really posted.It seems somebody in there(for this thread) dictates what he/she want me to read.Even the option rectangular and the word Help followed by the question mark has been deleted all together.In other words,helpless bloggers like me,whose computer skill
and manipulations are limited are a bunch of dirt and deserve NO HELP and it is better to just keep them struggling in trying to understand what is going on,instead of tackling the issue and the subject matter at hand which it has certainly exposed Zionism and the Zionists as they should or rather must be exposed.

cyrena,it really hurts just posting this message to you on this thread.Please get my E-mail from Shenon as soon as you can.And let me have your mailing address.Many,many thanks.
Best to you,as always,
Nabih

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By cyrena, June 6, 2008 at 7:37 pm Link to this comment

Nabih,

I’m not sure why the address didn’t work. Shenonymous was able to get through, (to me on that address) and apparently she does have an email address for you. So, if it’s ok, I will try to get your address from her.

Just as an aside, (and even after reading the response that Karim received from his letter) I am now convinced that there ARE ‘infiltrators’ on this site, though there’s certainly nothing that I can do about it, other than to keep track of them. At some point, when I have collected enough of the info, I may be able to send it to the webmasters.

But for the moment, my hands are ties..well, so to speak. I’ll try to get that other site up and running in a way that I can moderate, and maybe we can find Non Credo to post to that one with us. If I can get your email, I’ll let you know when that happens.

Best to you,
Cyrena

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By Nabih Ammari, June 4, 2008 at 4:51 am Link to this comment
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Subject:Failure

cyrena,

I sent you two separate E-mails to the following E-mail address: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) and both had failed to reach you since I received the following feed back twice:

Delivery status notification(Failure)

cyrena,I am about to just give up because I feel that
in spite of my good intention I am not accomplishing
anything-just wasting my time and yours.Besides,I hate to continue posting on a thread that I feel I
am censored;and more importantly I wish to give moral support to Non Credo who challenged so EFFECTIVELY the myths and lies of Zionism more than anybody I happened to know-with real gusto.I am too faithful to the abstract morality that has tied me to Non Credo whom I have never met,nor have I have any idea whether I am supporting a man or a woman.The moral commonality that ties me with Non Credo’s moral stand is good enough for me.

A note to Karim29007: I have received the same formal and unsigned E-mail you have received.It seems to me what may be acceptable to you for the cause may not be acceptable to me.When I abandon a dedicated person
to a just cause because of unjust censorship,I will be telling those who are enjoying their power to censor,more power to you and you and me will be next.
In fact,I have good reason to believe that I have been censored since the first posting I posted on
TD,a year ago.

Rest assured, I will expose the distortions,lies and fabrications and myths of the Zionist ideology as long as I live.In fact,I have already started posting once a week in the comments section of the Washington
Post whose readership much much greater than the readership of TD.I hope that I have made myself clear.

Karim29007,if the means are not clean from the beginning,the end result will be filthy and I do not
wish to have anything to do with such an unhealthy
situation,to put mildly.

The only way I may consider posting here is when the
ban on Non Credo is lifted.
Sincerely,
Nabih Ammari
An Independent in Ohio.

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By karim29007, June 4, 2008 at 1:23 am Link to this comment
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Subject: The on-goings in Truthdig,

Good morning all, Cyrena, Nabih and the rest of the comrades.

Yesterday I received the TD’s response to my open letters.

1)  I do not believe there is any “Infiltration” or “Substitution” by a third party.
2)  There has been “Some” changes in editorial personnel and hence more vigilance in so far as the application of the site’s “Terms and Conditions” are concerned.
3)  TD owns the site, stating the obvious, and they have the legitimate right of control over the management policy.

Now let’s get back to the main issue.

If we take up and assume the most cynical and pessimistic comprehension in so far as the “On-goings” are concerned and hence retreat to isolation, and withdraw our support by channelling our attention and responsibilities to some other issues, do you not accept the fact that “That is exactly what they want you to do?”
You are far more effective by fighting within than without.
The issue of OCCUPIED PALESTINE AND THE ON GOING GENOCIDE OF PALESTINIANS for the last 60-years is probably one of the most, if not the most, horrendous and biggest CRIME that has been committed in the history of man kind.

The TIDE is turning.

The American general public is waking up, slowly but surely.

The Zionists and their agents are aware of it and that is the main reason that “They” are so nervous and touchy. This was quite visible while I was in Orshalim.
Without the America Military and Financial support the Zionists and Zionism will melt away like a dirty slush on a sidewalk.

Be alert as you are and keep on the good work, and remember:

JUSTICE HAS NO STATUTE OF LIMITATION.

Thank you and good day.
Karim.

P.S.:
My regards to Non Grata!!

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By cyrena, June 3, 2008 at 10:41 pm Link to this comment

I don’t know what is going on myself Nabih, since I can see no reason for my email address to have been deleted. It makes absolutely NO SENSE, because Truthdig is set up for posters to include their websites/blogsites and other similar communications techniques.

Why would Truthdig even provide all of these ways for members to communicate, only to selectively keep that from happening?

OK, I’m going to post this email address again.

it is:    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

the website that is active, even though I don’t monitor it frequently now, is:

http://www.truthrising.blogspot.com

Now being a responsible adult, I would not post this information here publicly, if I was not prepared to funnel anything to comes to it.

It would appear that there are those who have decided to think FOR me, and me selectively, since other posters publicize this very same information here, as parts of their profiles.

No. I do not understand what this is about, but I ALSO don’t know if we can necessarily blame it on someone at the Truthdig staff.

In fact, I’m wondering if this site may have been hacked by someone, unbeknownst to the management at Truthdig.

And, I have an idea who he/she/they might be.

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By Nabih Ammari, June 3, 2008 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment
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Subject:Your last post to me,today

curena,

This is to inform you that your last post to me,which started with"Dearest Nabih”,and in which you had/have
graciously provided me with a temporary E-mail address to send you my own E-mail address had/has been deleted.I read it in the morning and I goofed in a sense that I did not write it down as I read it, because I was in a harry to meet some of my obligations towards my semi-disabled wife.

Will you please post your temporary E-mail address once again on this thread.Many thanks.

I do not know what exactly is going on at Truthdig,
but I deduce from the erratic behavior with such an
innocent post that somebody does not like what we
communicate or somebody has infiltrated Truthdig and
really trying to create distrust between Truthdig and
its loyal bloggers/posters.Your guess is just as good
as mine.Unreal.
Best Regards,
Nabih

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By cyrena, June 3, 2008 at 7:14 am Link to this comment

Nabih, Expat, Karim, Patrick Henry, Managemeister, Nahida and forgive me if I’ve missed anyone who is concerned about this.

Some of you may remember when this same ‘banning’ occurred to me, here on Truthdig, sometime over a year or so ago. Many of my own posts (though not ALL of them) were deleted, and I was prevented from posting, though I never received any formal notice of that from Truthdig.

In other words, there was never a notice on the thread indicating that I had been ‘banned’ nor was there a message of any type from Truthdig directly to me, indicating that I had been. Rather, the TEXTS of the posts had been deleted, though my name still appeared. On my end, I simply could not post anything. Or…it didn’t show up.

Now at the time, I had the same feeling as Nabih. For one thing, I was new to this whole ‘blogging’ thing, aside from what I’d been involved with on Truthout, since they used to have an open forum at one time, which apparently became too much to keep up with. So I mean to say that I wanted to wait it out, because I didn’t understand WHY this had occurred.

At the same time, there were OTHER posters (just a few) whose posts had also been deleted, but it appeared that they were still posting their droppings all over the place. I remember that one of them was “lil bastard” and I’m NOT trying to be offensive or wise-assed here, because that is not the actual name that he/she used, since he/she used apparently the Hebrew version of ‘bastard’ which I didn’t know until Nabih pointed that out. (He’s a linguist and I’m not).

And now, for whatever the reason, I can’t REMEMBER the actual name in English..but it was ‘lil something’.  I know you all will remember this person, and it may come to me as well. It just isn’t right now, so the only part I can remember is the ‘lil’ part of it. The other one involved in the ‘fray’ (for lack of a better terminology) was that Godsend poster. And there was still another at the time, who actually frightened me. His name was “Elder” something and NOT the Village Elder, so don’t get them confused. The Village Elder is another favorite poster…at least for me. But this other one was creepy.

Anyway, I said all of that to say that I never figured out who or what was behind that, and it troubled me. I suppose I could have just ignored it, but it was so unfair, that it really BOTHERED me.  Eventually, it did resolve, since obviously I’ve been able to continue posting, and learning so much from so many of you.

Now, I still expect Truthdig to do the right thing here, and respond to Karims letter, and advise the rest of us as well, just exactly what is going on. I don’t know if that will happen, but I’m still waiting.

So, I thought I’d throw that out there just as a reminder, for those of us trying to understand what this is all about.

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By cyrena, June 3, 2008 at 6:40 am Link to this comment

Nabih,

This makes me cry. I somehow feel as if we’re being punished, and that makes me mad.

I’m about to create one of those disposable email addrsses that I can post here on this site. I’ve never tried it before, since it’s another ‘task’ that I don’t like being bothered with, but it’s worth it for this. I honestly wouldn’t mind posting my own permanent e-mail addresses, but we know from the experience of this thread, that it would prompt every lunatic in the world to bombard me with hate mail.

But, there is a solution. I can and will create one of those temporary email addresses. (they call them ‘disposable email addresses I think) I will post it here and on another thread that we generally communicate thru.

I’ll leave it in place and active until I hear from you, (and anyone else here that wants to be in touch) and then I can send you my permanent email address.

I also have a blog that is only semi operational, because I’ve not yet had an opportunity to put it together, other than to establish the site itself.

But, you can still post to it.

The address for that is :

http://truthrising.blogspot.com

So, if you’re not comfortable sending anything to the email address, you can always post at this site. It will probably take me a few weeks to get it up and running, since I have a great deal going on right now, and need to address some needs for my elderly parents.

Still, I will keep that website up, and check it regularly.

And, I’ll get that temporary email address posted here as soon as I can.

I don’t want to be deprived of our valuable communications and all of the knowledge and wisdom that I’ve been so priviliged to gain.

Sincerely, respectfully, and fondly yours,

Cyrena

PS…any of you should feel free to do the same with the above website, and bear with me if I don’t respond immediately.

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By Expat, June 3, 2008 at 1:15 am Link to this comment

Yes, I knew one of them was yours.  For the life of me I don’t understand why; it’s just bizzare.  Sorry to see you go but I understand and I’m right behind you.
My best to you.
Expat

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By Nabih Ammari, June 2, 2008 at 10:00 pm Link to this comment
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Re:How utterly disgusting June 2

Expat,

This is to let you know that I have made up my mind: I am not going to post at Truthdig as soon as I make sure cyrena gets a GOOD-BYE post from me.I think very highly of her posts.That is why she has earned my profound respect and appreciation and I may post the
GOOD BYE post at different thread to make sure she reads it.

Two additional posts have been deleted in the last few hours:my post in which I responded to Grolsch’s
first post and Grolsch’s post to which I had responded to.What a Shameful act,for sure,reflecting on Truthdig and the staff who editor/editors of this thread!!!

Expat,it has been a privilege communicating with you
and reluctantly I say GOOD-BYE to you too.

Sincerely yours,
Nabih Ammari
An Independent in Ohio.

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By yours truly, June 2, 2008 at 9:53 pm Link to this comment
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The Zionist Dream Of Creating A Jewish State Was Doomed From The Start


“Why is that?”

“It’s at least a century too late.”

“Meaning?”

“The Jewish settlers can’t get away with doing to Palestinians what we did to Native Americans.”

“Which is what it’ll take if the Zionists are to realize their dream of creating a Jewish state.”

“Fortunately there’s a viable alternative.”

“Which is?”

“The Jewish settlers apologize to the Palestinians for having barged in uninvited and taken over their homeland.”

“Anything else?”

“They ask the Palestinians if it would be possible for Palestinian and Jew to sit down together for the purpose of working things out.”

“Based on?”

“One equals one.”

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By Expat, June 2, 2008 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment

^ some dick head is still removing posts.  Perhaps it’s time to boycott Truthdig.

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By Howard, June 2, 2008 at 5:28 pm Link to this comment

Wow, what information YOU have.  Honest.  Brilliant, indeed.  You meant Switzerland, no?  You must have misprinted.  Find a big country to blame it on.  Maybe France?  England ?

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By omop, June 2, 2008 at 3:42 pm Link to this comment

The Strategy for Securing the Realm. Prepared and advocated by Bibu Netanyahu, and the Mssrs. Perle, Feith, Wurmser, Kristol, Wolfowitz [ for a detailed description of what it comprised check out Wikipedia] published in 1996 was a grandiose plan to carve up the Middle East countries into smaller units so that israel can be able better to control them. First step was to invade Iraq then Iran.

The Times of London in an interview with Ariel Sharon in late 2002 quotes him as “demanding” thar Bush follow up the invasion of Iraq by invading Iran.

The war in Iraq and the proposed nuking of Tehran as Norm Podhoretz prayed for in the WSJ, and promoted by Joe Lieberman and John Mc were instigated by Israelis and their neocon sympathizers.  Any other conclusion can only be considered chicken sh*t.

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By Grolsch, June 2, 2008 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment
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A poster below writes: “Stop blaming everything under the sun and moon on Zionism. It’s childish.”
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It’s amazing. In our government, our press, and the foreign policy “think tanks”, we heard a non-stop chorus of pro-Israel zealots urging us to war against Iraq, as we now hear them urging us on to Iran, but these same people would have us believe it’s mere coincidence when our government actually DOES pursue the policies they urge.

“Why, the Bush administration just HAPPENED to go to war against Iraq as we were screaming for it to do! But that wasn’t at all for Israel. They did it for oil, or whatever. They just HAPPENED to do what we wanted them to do!

“And now, they are just HAPPENING to undertake a war against Iran! But it’s not because of us! It’s not because of tiny, weak, underdog Israel! No! Once again, Bush is going to war for um, oil, or, or something…! We’re as surprised as anyone that once again it just happens to be exactly what Israel wants!”

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By PatrickHenry, June 2, 2008 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment

Better check under your bed tonight.

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By PatrickHenry, June 2, 2008 at 2:39 pm Link to this comment

Truth does not fear scrutiny, but I guess here it does.

I recently viewed this post and after reading several posts realized Non Credo had been banned.  We will all suffer from the lack of his insightful view.  Who’s next?

I know AIPAC is having its convention and with all the VIJ’s in town (WashDC) they are using their forum to bash Obama (listen to NPR).

I wish they would hold their convention in Israel and leave US out of it.


“The First Amendment says nothing about a right not to be offended. The risk of finding someone else’s speech offensive is the price each of us pays for our own free speech. Free people don’t run to court—or to the principal—when they encounter a message they don’t like. They answer it with one of their own”.

Jeff Jacoby


“If you admit that to silence your opponent by force is to win an intellectual argument, then you admit the right to silence people by force”.

Hans Eysenck

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By Enugu, June 2, 2008 at 2:21 pm Link to this comment
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Howard writes:

“Isreael is not KEEPING the territories.  Whom do they give them to? “

The people who live there, obviously. They’re called Palestinians.

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By Howard, June 2, 2008 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment

Isreael is not KEEPING the territories.  Whom do they give them to? Perhaps some people who won’t throw suicide bombers and missles and rockets into Israel ? And who recognizes Israel.

  There is no enttanglement of Amerixa with Zionism.  Maybe with Catholism, or Protestantism, or nationalism.  Stop blaming everything under the sun and moon on Zionism. Quite childish.

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By Enugu, June 2, 2008 at 1:51 pm Link to this comment
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No, Pfaff shows that Israel’s insistence on keeping the occupied territories has doomed it. And as a poster below writes:

“America’s fatal entanglement with Zionism is ruining the United States of America as we bankrupt ourselves in support of a Zionist project which, as Pfaff shows, is a certain failure anyway.”

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By Howard, June 2, 2008 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment

Israel will survive.  And will continue to offer the Pal’s a state of their own.  Something they have turned down since partition in 1948.  The Arab countries in the area do not want the Pal’s to have their own state.  They put them into refugee camps and offer them no concrete help to escape their plight. No,  their Arab brethren only pay for terrorist schooling.  They have been of no help whatsover for the Pal’s.  Just the opposite.

In one 24 hour period more monies and help from the world over would pour into the Pal’s coffers if they would rid themselves of their current leaders who condone and promote the idea of destroying Israel. Stop the rockets that go out daily and recognize Israel’s right to exist. Not too difficult by any rational rational peoples.

Their leaders wish right now more to destroy Israel more than having their own state.

Look at Lebanon. Christians will be all but thrown out soon. Hezballah will take over tomorrow if not already.  That is why there will not be one Israeli-Pal state.  Israel will not commit national suicide.

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By Truthshouter, June 2, 2008 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment
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Pfaff writes: ”... the Middle East since the end of the Cold War has lost its strategic interest for the West. It possesses oil, certainly. But it is much easier to buy oil on the international market than to invade countries and fight for it…”

And here in a nutshell we see why the “war for oil” notion is ridiculous as the underlying explanation for the Iraq war, and even more so for the upcoming war against Iran.

Why? Because even if we did go to war against Iraq partly “for oil”, we are only reduced to getting oil in this ridiculously, suicidally costly manner because, FOR ISRAEL AND ISRAEL ALONE, we are forced to maintain mortally hostile relations with some of these countries that have oil (as well as others that don’t have oil, like Syria).

Because, as Pfaff writes so truthfully: ”...it is much easier to buy oil on the international market than to invade countries and fight for it…”

America’s fatal entanglement with Zionism is ruining the United States of America as we bankrupt ourselves in support of a Zionist project which, as Pfaff shows, is a certain failure anyway.

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By Expat, June 2, 2008 at 7:47 am Link to this comment

^ because the inevitable responses are generally over the top emotionally.  I couldn’t believe the name of this article; guaranteed to launch a war.  The interesting revelation for me is that the Zionists ignore verifiable history and the anti-Zionists are historical experts.  Yes, I know; reality is inconvenient and belief will rule the day.  I have never understood why anybody would want to not know the facts.  What a horrible prison to live in.

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By driving bear, June 1, 2008 at 6:39 pm Link to this comment

I remember reading an interview with a member of PA government about 3 months ago and he stated that The true problem with Arabs in the holy land now is they longer view themselves as Palestinians instead they view themselves as a member of Fatah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad,  PFLP, etc.

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By Howard, June 1, 2008 at 6:25 pm Link to this comment

Fatah man Shadi Bakr Ahmad and his 14 comrades in rehabilitation have barely six legs left between them, after being mutilated by their Hamas rivals during the violent takeover of power last June.
  All have unfinished business: they want to get back on their makeshift feet soon to hunt down the men who maimed them.
  “I know the man who did this to me and it is now my life’s ambition to do the same to him,” says another victim of the violence, Abu Mohammed, as he lays paralyzed in a hospital in Ramallah.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23710388-15084,00.html

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By Elie Elhadj, June 1, 2008 at 11:15 am Link to this comment
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For a long-term durable solution to the Arab Israeli conflict, a single democratic and secular state for Jews and Palestinians needs to evolve. Other solutions are like band-aid treatment to cancer. The dream of an exclusive Jewish state in Palestine is unsustainable, unless the Palestinians vanish. 
Politicizing Genesis 15:18 to occupy Palestine politicized the Quran. The Arab Israeli conflict has become a religious war that could last for a thousand years.
The Zionist dream of a purely Jewish state is unsustainable, unless the Palestinians vanish. A single state for Arabs and Jews is the realistic hope to stop the cycle of violence and end Islamist radicalization. 
Arab and Jew can live together peaceably. In his Coningsby, B. Disraeli (1868 and 1874-1880), so far the only British premier of Jewish parentage, describes Jewish “halcyon centuries” in Muslim Spain. Sultan Bayezid-II (1481-1512) encouraged thousands of Jews to settle in his Muslim Ottoman Empire from Spain. That the migration of 850,000 Jews from Arab lands around 1948 was due to Arab maltreatment of Jews is an unfair charge. This happened when 500 Palestinian villages were de-populated and 800,000 became refugees.
Islam venerates Judaism. The Quran made Abraham the first Muslim. Islam is the Religion of Abraham. Quranic Chapter 14 is named after Abraham and, to Joseph Chapter 12.
Feeling powerless, Arabs invoked hostile Verses, recounted stories of Prophetic troubles with Jewish tribes, drew lessons from substituting Friday for the Sabbath and the direction during prayer from Jerusalem to Mecca. For thirteen centuries, however, these were non-issues. Politicizing the Bible pushed frustrated moderate Arabs into orthodoxy and the orthodox into Jihadism.
Had Zionism adhered to Balfour’s declaration: “Nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities,” no conflict would have developed.
The Bible and the Quran must be de-politicized.
The two-state solution is capricious:
1. Demographically, a purely Jewish state is unachievable.
2. Jerusalem, borders, security, water, settlements, and the refugees are intractable. When Clinton, Barak, and Arafat met in July 2000, these issues collapsed the talks.
3. Even if a miracle patches up a two-state agreement, the extremists on both sides would undermine it.
4. The Arab masses reject Zionism. Israel’s treaties with Egypt (1979) and Jordan (1994) failed to develop beyond diplomatic offices.
Western secular democratic ideals should inspire a single secular democratic state:
1. The intractable obstacles would disappear.
2. Arabs and Jews will be commingled. Arabs would no longer boycott their Jewish cousins.
3. Everyone will access to the entirety of Palestine. The Jewish settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem are instruments of integration between Palestinians and Jews, not segregation, a mixture as difficult to unscramble today as removing the Palestinian Israelis from Israel. 
Durable peace requires the welcome of the Arab masses. The Jews who had lived among Arabs share customs, habits, values, food, music, dance, and, for the older generation, the Arabic language.
In provoking the enmity of their age-old Muslim friends, Zionism has disserved the strategic interests of the Jewish people. In Christian Europe, centuries of culminated in the Holocaust.
A conference at London University’s School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) was held on November 17-18, 2007 to address the various aspects of the secular democratic one-state solution.

Elie Elhadj; Author: The Islamic Shield
http://www.universal-publishers.com/book.php?method=ISBN&book=1599424118
Blog: http://journals.aol.com/eeh100/daring-opinion/

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By THE MANGEMEISTER, June 1, 2008 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

Add my voice to those who are concerned about the banning of Non Credo’s posts.He or she is one of the most informative and balanced people who post here.Truthdig what’s going on?

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By Expat, June 1, 2008 at 9:23 am Link to this comment

I think not likely.

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By Truthscreamer, June 1, 2008 at 9:03 am Link to this comment
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All of Non Credo’s posts, on every thread, have been deleted.

It looks like Truthdig may have a pro-Israel zealot on staff doing the gate-keeping for comments now.

I’m sure whoever it is thinks of himself or herself as a “liberal”—

— just as Alan Dershowitz, the Zionist torture advocate, thinks of himself as a “civil libertarian” (and is always obediently and absurdly introduced as such when he appears as an “expert” on our TV “news” and commentary programs).

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By palau, June 1, 2008 at 8:49 am Link to this comment
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Of course, it is quite possible that the person who posted the plagiarism complaint was also Non Credo, trying to break through the censorship imposed on him.

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By Nabih Ammari, June 1, 2008 at 8:30 am Link to this comment
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Dear cyrena,Expat,nahida and anybody else with same
sentiment…

Please accept my sincere gratitude for joining me in
expressing and adding your sentiments to mine as
expressed in my special message to Non Credo.

Please notice that I have refrained from passing any
judgment on the editor/editors of this forum because
I simply do not know the reason/reasons for the deletion of Non Credo’s posts that have already been
posted,nor have I any idea of the reason/reasons for
banning him/her from posting here on this thread.

What has aggravated the situation of deletion and
banning of Non Credo’s posts is the fact that the
two posts of the person who called our attention(I mean the attentions of all bloggers)to the fact that an Act of Theft or rather an Act of Plagiarism had/has been committed by Howard;specifically from
the National Review magazine were also,and all of a sudden deleted.I recall the name of the person who has exposed Howard’s plagiarism from the National Review was Patwalt or something close to that.The beauty of Patwalt’s posts was in the fact that,in one of them,he/she gave a link to check for the plagiarism that had/has been committed.I did check the link given by Patwalt and had found it to be completely true:Plagiarism has been committed from the National Review magazine,words by words,sentence by sentence and paragraph by paragraph as they appeared in Re:Review of History,May 31.

To make certain that Patwalt’s comments are true,about the deletion of all Non Credo’s posts that have already been posted; and banned from posting any more posts,I had checked slowly but surly this thread from start to finish,looking for Non Credo’s posts I had happened reading just a few hours ago.Sadly,I could find none,whatsoever.I only could wonder and keep wondering and asking WHY,WHY,WHY and more WHYS…???

Yours very truly,
Nabih Ammari
An Independent in Ohio.

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By karim29007, June 1, 2008 at 8:20 am Link to this comment
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An open letter to Truthdig editorial management

Ref.: 1) Non Credo
      2) Howard.

What has taken place regarding the incident of disallowing Non Credo is in no way acceptable so far as “Freedom of Expression” IS concerned on this site.

I have been participating on some of the issues raised HERE and in particular the “60-years of Genocide by the ZIONISTS in the occupied territories” for the last 2-years.

To the best of my knowledge Non Credo has been a contributor of a rare character with his honest and knowledgeable insight and in conjunction with utmost principled ethical behaviour and illustrated manner.

You have all his records and postings.
I personally demand an explanation for your rushed decision in this regards.

2) Howard, I watched and observed his behavioural approach and postings from the very early days, close to the past 20-months.
What he posted and was exposed as “Blatant act of plagiarism”, not only was ignored but it exposure and the related post was taken of the site almost instantaneously (Please refer to my yesterday letter which I posted immediately on the subject).

This is not the first time this character, Howard, with his 24/7 availability on this site has “Copied, pasted and posted”.

He has not got the ability to make “An ordinary “contribution to any subject let alone such sensitive and complicated ISSUE as the “Palestinians & the ZIONISTS”.

It would be an honourable attitude if YOU SIR come out and have the decency to make an announcement in regards to a, for example, being taken-over or bought by some other entities, after all business is business and we have seen it with the likes of NEWS CORPORATION, NYT, WASHINGTON POST AND THE REST OF ZIONIST’S CONTROLLED MEDIA IN THE US AND ELSEWHERE.

Finally I thanking you for your time and attention and looking forward to your response.

Yours Truly,

Karim.

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By cyrena, June 1, 2008 at 8:06 am Link to this comment

Ok…before I sign off from this particular thread..which has been very informative, since I was particularly illuminated by many of Nahida’s posts that included much that I’d not before seen, I just wanted to note that I was incorrect in suggesting that Frank Goodman’s posts had also been deleted.

Not ALL of his posts have been offensive, but there were a few that were, and Non Credo had responded. I thought that might be the trouble, but apparently not. (these posts are on the Sheer column btw…the one about the ‘missing outrage’, which we know isn’t missing at all.)

BUT, our favorite poster by the same name has been, -*Outraged* that is, so hopefully she’s just on a vacation or other break of sorts, and we’ll hear back soon from her as well.

So, I’ve given up. Can’t find anything that caused this with Non Credo. I’m expecting that it will be resolved soon.

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By omop, June 1, 2008 at 7:58 am Link to this comment

Why should Americans care “more” about whether Israel is self destructing than say whether a people of close to 800,000 have been living in squalor as refugees in camps for the last 40 odd years and its the humane thing to do is get them back to their original homes and property.?

If one must accept that one is more important than the other then a line has been drawn that impacts both both actions and reactions.

By considering the issue of Israel self destruction more important than a “human rights” one that has been hanging around for close to 50 years then one must bear the consequences of the reactions of those that are not considered on an equal basis with the concern and affectations shown towards the self destruction of a state.

Come to think of it. A state cannot exist unless it is comprised of human beings. So on a very elemental level disregarding the human beings in refugee camps as an issue to be addressed as an equal concern as to whether a “state” is self destructing is indicative of a biased and bigoted policies.

Regardless of the ethnicity race or religious beliefs.

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By nefertiti, June 1, 2008 at 6:08 am Link to this comment

I hope the people behind TRUTH dig (!!!!!) read this thread and allow non Credo back , Somehow i noticed even in Leftists sites , those who speak out against the zionists and those behind them , get banned and their posts deleted . we only see the posts of those who get all their info in zionist websites .

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By cyrena, June 1, 2008 at 2:37 am Link to this comment

You’re delusional howard. Would you like to tell us how the Palestinians are supposed to build an infrastructure ANYWHERE, when Israeli settlements are EVERYWHERE?

Been in the West Bank lately Howie? How about the open air prison that is Gaza, the place that you claim Israel ‘left’?

And how do you figure that Palestine hasn’t already agreed to ‘make peace’ with Israel several dozen times. Is that like ‘making peace’ with the prison wardens, in the hopes that they won’t keep torturing you every day, and will allow you to remain in your cell ‘at peace’ for the rest of your days?

Is that their ‘best chance’ howie? Just as long as they stay in their cages and don’t make any noise, or ask for any food or water, then the Palestinians can ‘live peacefully’? That’s what you’re suggesting?

I don’t think that’s gonna happen howie, and in the meantime, Israel just keeps self-destructing.

The ‘world’ isn’t gonna cheer anything until Israel is back in it’s box, within it’s own borders, and not terrorizing the rest of the Middle East.

The BEST ‘chance’ for ISRAEL, is to stop violating every international law on the books, and discontinue their crimes against humanity. When Israel retreats back within it’s own borders, and stops terrorizing everybody else, then Israel will know peace.

Thing is, I’m convinced that Israel doesn’t WANT peace. Or, they’ve long ago decided that they don’t want peace as much as they want all the land, and all the water, and all the ocean, and all the fishes in it, and all of the air, and all of the water, and all of everything else that there is to be had.

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By Eric the bold, May 31, 2008 at 7:27 pm Link to this comment
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This is indeed a sad and scary picture of what Israel has become.

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By Paracelsus, May 31, 2008 at 3:03 pm Link to this comment

Je ne sais pas. Traduisez-le, s’il vous plait.

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By cyrena, May 31, 2008 at 1:44 pm Link to this comment

Karim,

Thanks very much for this update. Doesn’t sound much different from the last time I was able to visit the area myself, and that was a long time ago.

The reality is far worse than the West would have us believe. But then, that’s the way it’s been for decades.

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By nefertiti, May 31, 2008 at 12:56 pm Link to this comment

Sharonsj

You say the Jews were there First : Wrong . the caananites were the first people , many communities were ethnically Cleanesed too . do you know the Caananites were the original locals before the coming of the jews , the hittites , the amorites, the perizzites, the hivites, the jebusites , ...

Howard :

if you check the wars of Israel most were provoked by Israel (check them out , as soon as egypt closed the Sinai israel went and destroyed most egypt and syria aircraft on their own land ) the greed for the Golan heights was shown at the zionist Conference in 1919 in Paris , they had already drawn the map of what they wanted that was the Golan heights, the Jordan valley and the Litani river (all 3 areas rich in water . but hezbollah is giving them a hard time over the Litani river )
the 1967 war was provoked by israel , read what Moshe dayan says about it .

the creation of israel goes against the Torah : check out The orthodox jews say so (not the zionists) they are supposed to be scattered among the nations because they failed G-D covenants .

Leviticus 26:33  
1samuel 15:28 Clearly says God has taken the land from Jews and given it to a neigbour better than them.

there are plently of chapters Nehemiah 1:8 , deuteronomy 4:27 1king 14:15   Jeremiah 18:17 ezekiel 12:15 ezekiel 20:23 and 22: 15
zechariah 1:18 , till 21

Boring ? if you say so but the zionists seem so attached to the torah but forget to read other chapters .

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By karim29007, May 31, 2008 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment
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I watched this character nearly for the past two years.

On this particular post and some others in the mentioned period, there were many discrepancies along the lines of its contents, phraseologies, grammar and vocabularies.

That did not just tally with his numerous and “normal” previous postings.

It was too sophisticated, well researched, the grammars were educated, correct and well placed.

Adding to that, the time interval was extremely brief for so many successive postings on such a relatively sensitive and delicate topic.

One could fool some for some times, but not all for all the times.

Shame on you.

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By Howard, May 31, 2008 at 11:14 am Link to this comment

Watching television over the last eight years, you will have seen the clip, probably many times, of a Palestinian man and boy cowering by a wall. Then suddenly the boy is shown dead in his father’s arms. The voice-over explains that he was picked off by an Israeli marksman. In most Muslim countries it continues to be shown, endlessly. Hundreds of schools throughout that world have been named after the child, Muhammad al-Dura, and the Arab League declared Oct. 1 to be “Al-Dura Day.”
  The film was shot by a Palestinian cameraman. Charles Enderlin, the French news correspondent who provided the voice-over, was not in Gaza at the time. When a formal Israeli investigation showed that it had not been physically possible for any Israeli soldier to have shot the boy, it was hardly reported. Several independent investigations confirming the Israeli finding were similarly ignored

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=70070b46-f288-4297-b687-02e45d098c53

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By felicity, May 31, 2008 at 7:53 am Link to this comment

Interesting comment since the majority of American Jews have been traditionally on the political ‘far left.’

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By Howard, May 31, 2008 at 7:50 am Link to this comment

The Arabs have launched four major wars against Israel, at the end of which Israel remained in possession of all the lands west of the Jordan River, the undivided city of Jerusalem, the vast Sinai, the Golan Heights and the Gaza Strip. In what was in all likelihood a major act of folly, but in order to attain peace with Egypt, Israel returned the Sinai to Egypt. But the peace with Egypt is the coldest imaginable.

With the exception of Egypt, all the countries of the Middle East are artificial creations. After World War I, England and France carved up the Ottoman Empire, with England retaining what are now Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Israel and Iraq, and France being in possession of what are now Syria and Lebanon

In 1917, the Balfour Declaration, proclaimed by the British mandatory power, established all of Palestine – east and west of the Jordan River – as the reconstituted homeland for the Jewish people. This was ratified by the 52 countries of the League of Nations. Insistence that these are Arab lands and that the Jews are “occupiers” is a notion that is fairly new. But it has been repeated so often and for so long that most of the world has come to believe it. But it has no basis in fact at all. It is a myth.

If Israel were ever to consent to the creation of a binational state, how would it work out? To get the answer, one only needs to go next door to Lebanon. In order to provide a safe haven for the Maronite Christians, the French carved out the artificial state of Lebanon. Within just one generation, the population ratio had begun to change in favor of the Muslims. Strife broke out, which ultimately culminated in a bloody civil war that lasted for close to ten years and in which scores of thousands died. Can anybody really believe that, given the mortal hatred of the Muslims against the Jews, things would be any different in Israel/Palestine? Of course not! A bloody civil war would be the inevitable result.

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By Nabih Ammari, May 31, 2008 at 5:22 am Link to this comment
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Subject:A poem by Mahmoud Darwish about his Palestine

The following translated poem by Mahmoud Darwish,a Well Known Palestinian poet,shows profoundly how the great and struggling Palestinian people feel about their beloved Palestine that was stolen from them through international intrigues and Zionists aggression.The Zionists descended down from Russia and Eastern Europe and later on from Western Europe and U.S.They came as wave after wave of people with a bellicose and belligerent agenda culminated in the creation of the State of Israel in 1948,at the expense of the Palestinian people,the real owners
of the land of Palestine:

As long as a hand-span of my hand remains
as long as I have an olive tree-
A lemon tree-
A well-and a cactus plant
As long as I have but a single memory
A tiny library
A grand father’s picture-and a wall
As long as Arabic words are uttered
And folk songs are sung
In my land
Scribes of poetry
Tales of Antar Al-Abse
Epics of the wars against Persia and Rome
As long as I possess my eyes
Lips and hands
My own-self!
I shall declare in the face of my foe!
A fierce struggle of liberation
In the name of free men everywhere
Workers-Students-and poets-
I shall declare-
And let the cowards-enemies of the sun
Be satisfied of the bread of shame…

From the profound love of the Palestinians for their
land of Palestine as I could sense from the above
poem,I would conclude that there would be no peace in
that part of the world unless the Israeli Zionists
wise up and de-Zionize themselves by themselves so that they would become just PEACE LOVING JEWS,as all
conscientious Jews,I happened to know,were and are.

Before the Zionists conquest of Palestine,some Arabs
and some Jews of Palestine were helping one other by
baby-setting to one another.Zionism has destroyed
such noble relationship.The current violent relations
between the Arabs and Israelis are sadly abnormal.

Zionism is the problem and the majority of the Palestinians and Israelis are innocent of what is going on.
Sincerely,
Nabih Ammari
An Independent in Ohio.

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By karim29007, May 31, 2008 at 4:43 am Link to this comment
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On Israel’s Self-Destruction as a Jewish State

“40 per cent of all recent recruits to the IDF have criminal records”. The newspaper Yediot Ahronot, Jerusalem.


Good morning all and good to be back.

Well, finally not only I made it to the Promise Land but also most of the countries in the region including Lebanon, Syria and Iran.

It was journey that wanted to do for a long time and worth waiting for.

“Situation is desperate” ynetNews, Jerusalem

This short sentence is quite descriptive and revealing.

In all I spent 19-days in the “Occupied Land”, visited Tel-Aviv, but mostly stayed in Jerusalem (Orshalim, the original name in Arabic).

There is not much to be said about Tel-Aviv. Highly urbanized, chaotic, harsh, grim and greed.

Orshalim and the West Bank was my main aim to see and in specific to be there in “honor” of the Zlands’s 60th anniversary.

Back in the days of Apartheid South-Africa, I receive an offer of working for an engineering firm there just after graduation, an opportunity I could not resist or miss adding to the fact that the said offer included all expenses paid!

I spent 10-days in Johannesburg and visited SOWETO and its surrounding townships on few occasions before leaving South-Africa.

Within few hours in Orshalim, it was as if Johannesburg/Soweto revisited all-over again and more, lot more.
The similarity between Johannesburg/Pretoria and Orshalim and its Arab-designated area are striking; Physically, mentally and socially.

Wherever you go there are IDF soldiers and skull-caped settlers fully armed with Automatic-rifles and side-arms.
On many occasions helmets worn by the soldiers had the insignia “I was born to kill”.

The landlady that I was staying with was an old switched-on Zionist whom I liked her openness and we did talk a lot.
“Everyone wants to leave; my bed and breakfast business is on the market and would like to live in Florida”.
“Politic is S**t and politicians are all thieves and bastards, give them 100 bucks and they are yours from top to bottom”, she said.
What is the situation with the Arabs?, I asked.
“The F**kers have put a curse on us, no matter what we de to them makes no difference and it has gone from bad to worse” she said.

Despite of tens of millions of dollars and massive amount propaganda, the 60th anniversary of occupation and genocide was a very sad state of affair and a bleak reminder of how the Zionists and their agents here in the US are desperately trying to cover-up their utter failure and misery by utilizing Howitzers, F16, armoured bulldozers, targeted assassinations and creation of the biggest concentration camp in the history of mankind with more than 1.500.000 inmates.

After all to a psychopath and a mad-man with a hammer, every problem looks like a nail, so they say.
Have a good day.


P.S.:
Non credo and Cyrena keep-up the good work.

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By nahida, May 30, 2008 at 2:32 pm Link to this comment

اخي الفاضل فضل عبد الله

اشكرك جزيل الشكر على مشاعرك النبيلة
عائدون حتماً بإذن الله
ان لم يكن نحن فأحفادنا من بعدنا


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By cyrena, May 30, 2008 at 2:06 pm Link to this comment

Non Credo,

I especially enjoyed the last paragraph in bold type. You couldn’t have described it better.

And, considering the source of the video link, I didn’t bother to take the bait, knowing it would be the load of crap that you mentioned.

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By driving bear, May 30, 2008 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

FYI
in 1994 Jordan and Israel signed a peace treaty and the terms of which state that except for a small area around Ramallah and Jericho that Israel has control of the West Bank.

So Game Over Israel wins !!!!!

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By omop, May 30, 2008 at 12:41 pm Link to this comment

While this might be considered as really going back. 1948/2008 looked at in say 3008, may not be so different except in the names of the protagonists.

Historical records of that region reflect data that a variety of ethnic individuals have lived and fought there since 15,000 BC.
Its only in 13 BC that the word Israel is first as noted below.

1500 - B.C. 
“Egypt’s chief rival in the struggle for hegemony over Syria at this time was the country of the Mittanni, in north-west Mesopotamia. The contest between the two powers was only decided in 1490 B.C. when Thutmose III (1504 - 1452 B.C.) defeated a confederation of kings of ‘Huru’ (Canaan and Syria), allies of Mitanni, at Megiddo. The victory set the stage for Egypt’s subjugation of the entire Fertile Crescent.”
Hanoch Reviv, “The Canaanite and Israelite Periods (3200-332 B.C.),” The History of Israel and the Holy Land, 2001

“The immediate aftermath of the Egyptian conquest involved the intentional demolition of Canaanite towns and the deportation of a sizable segment of the population. Thutmose III [1504 - 1452 B.C.] carried off in excess of 7,300, while his son Amenophis II [1454 - 1419 B.C.] uprooted by his own account 89,600.”
Donald B. Redford, Egypt, Canaan, and Israel in Ancient Times, 1992

“Ever since the great deportations of Thutmose III and Amenophis II, the northern empire and Palestine especially had suffered a weakening brought on by under population. Not only did the ‘apiru banditry now take advantage of the vacuum in the highlands, but nomads from Transjordan also began to move north into Galilee and Syria and west across the Negev to Gaza, Ashkelon, and the highway linking Egypt with Palestine.”
Donald B. Redford, Egypt, Canaan, and Israel in Ancient Times, 1992

“The ‘apiru and the nomads (Shasu) are the people that the Egyptians, according to the inscriptions of the Eighteenth and Nineteenth dynasties, met in Palestine. These are therefore the ancestors of many of the ‘tribes’ of the central hill country that we later meet in the biblical narratives about the period of the so-called Judges.”
Gosta W. Ahlstrom, The History of Ancient Palestine, 1993

1320 - 1260 B.C. 
“In the sixty-year period, from about 1320 to 1260 B.C., the Shasu are chronicled as continuing to foment trouble in their native habitat of the steppe, and as pressing westward through the Negeb toward major towns along the Via Maris. It is not, in my opinion, an unrelated phenomenon that a generation later under Merneptah [1237-1226] an entity called ‘Israel’ with all the character of a Shasu enclave makes its appearance probably in the Ephraimitic highlands.”
Donald B. Redford, Egypt, Canaan, and Israel in Ancient Times, 1992

Late 13th century B.C. 
“No one can prove (or disprove, for that matter) that the tribal federation ‘Israel’ originated on Palestinian soil. No one can prove that the major components of that federation had always existed on Palestinian soil. All that is known for certain is that, some time during the fourth quarter of the thirteenth century B.C., Egypt knew of a group, or political entity, called ‘Israel’ and occupying part of the land of the land of Canaan; but whether the group had recently arrived or taken shape is not stated in our sources. That the Hebrew language is closely related to the West Semitic dialect (s) that we subsume under the catchall ‘Canaanite’ is a fact; but then, it is equally closely related to the dialects of Transjordan as well.”
Donald B. Redford, Egypt, Canaan, and Israel in Ancient Times, 1992

1200 B.C. 
“After 1200 B.C. when the Sea Peoples overwhelmed the coast, and ‘Israel’ is firmly attested, the Canaanites as a political force were dead. And so, effectually, was the Egyptian empire of the New Kingdom.”
Donald B. Redford, Egypt, Canaan, and Israel in Ancient Times, 1992

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By I.F.Stone, May 30, 2008 at 8:57 am Link to this comment
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With the consent and mutual agreement of the
Australian nation, Australia will cede two parcels
of land, one on the West Coast of Australia and
one on the East. Each parcel will be comprised
of 250,000 square miles, each will have a coastline.
Each parcel will become a sovereign nation.
The one on the West Coast will be called Republic-A
the one on the East Coast will be called Republic-B.
Every current inhabitant of the lands of the
former British mandate of Palestine (not including
Jordan) will be given the choice to move and to
acquire citizenship in either Republic-A or in
Republic-B.  The election of residence will be
carried out so that Jews and Muslims will move
to opposite sides of the Australian continent.
Thereafter, the depopulated zone will be
designated a World Nature Preserve and all
human presence there will be banned for the
next ten thousand years.

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By gadees, May 30, 2008 at 4:34 am Link to this comment
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Paracelsus: This fact was brought forth by a Jewish historian at Tel Aviv univ.,Prof. Shlomo Sand, auther of ,“When and how the Jewish people was invented?”.In it the auther attempt to prove that jews living in Palestine are not the true decendants of the biblical era.Current jews who descended upon Palestine after the First Zionist conference in Bazel,1897,were mostly Khazars converted into Judaism in the8th century and made Hebrew their written language.this would also apply to Jews from North Africa who converted to Islam and became the driving force, under the leadership of Tarek Bin Zid,an ex-Barbar Jew,which conquered Spain.The auther furthe states,that it was only in the 19th century, German intellectuals of Jewish origin took upon themselves the task of inventing the idea of a,“Jewish People.“When Prof.Sand was asked as to who the real decendants of the inhabitants of the kingom of Judah,he answered;“chances that the Palestinians are decendants of the ancient Judaic people are much greater than the chances that you or I are its decendants”.Read the book it will shed some light on many disturbing issues.

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By Howard, May 30, 2008 at 3:58 am Link to this comment

Thanks for the site, DB;  great video !!!

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By driving bear, May 30, 2008 at 1:36 am Link to this comment

If you wish to know how most jews feel about the so called arab/israel conflict and the reaction of the international community to it just watch this video clip ( the clip is about 1 minute long )

http://www.aish.com/movies/jerusalem.asp

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By P. T., May 29, 2008 at 6:28 pm Link to this comment

The Israeli/U.S. plan is for a bantustan solution.

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By StepenL, May 29, 2008 at 6:06 pm Link to this comment

that one really doesn’t know where to begin except, why not just say you want to see Israel destroyed and you support Jihad?  Why go through all the convoluted logic?  We are well aware that the far left seeks the destruction of Israel.

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By nahida, May 29, 2008 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

WARNING

“And We gave (Clear) Warning to the Israelites in the Scripture, that twice would they do mischief on the earth and will become tyrants and behave insolently with mighty arrogance.” (17:4)

“When the first of the warnings came to pass, We sent against you Our servants of mighty prowess: They entered the very inmost parts of your homes; and it was a warning (completely) fulfilled.” (17:5)

“Afterwards, we will give you a turn over them, and will grant you an increase of wealth and children; we will give you the upper hand.” (17:6)

“If you do good, it will be for your own benefit, but if you do evil, it will be against your souls. When the prophecy of your second transgression will come to pass, sadness will cover your faces. They (your enemies) will enter the mosque as they did the first time, they will wipe out all the gains you had accomplished.” (17:7)

“It may be that your Lord will have mercy on you, but if you revert to transgression, we will counter with retribution. We have designated hell as a final abode for those who conceal the truth.” (17:8 )

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By Fadel Abdallah, May 29, 2008 at 4:04 pm Link to this comment

Dear Nahida:

Your pieces of Hard Talk made me cry and gave me hope at the same time. As a Palestinian over sixty years old, I don’t have hope of either seeing the liberation of Palestine or having the honor of physically fighting for its liberation from the racist marauders occupiers.

But when I read your words, I felt assured that liberation will come at the hands of another generation of strong younger believers like you.

I wish that Palestinians like you will be at the helm of leadership instead of the flunkies like Mahmoud Abbas. When this will happen, we will be half way towards liberating Palestine.

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By nahida, May 29, 2008 at 4:04 pm Link to this comment

Mischief makers

They cry peace, but what they mean is war; they scream freedom but what they mean is enslavement; they shout democracy but what they mean is democracy for their own kind.

The Quran describes such people whose words contradict their deeds:

“And when it is said unto them: Make not mischief in the earth, they say: We are peacemakers only. Are not they indeed the mischief-makers? But they perceive not. (2:11-12)”


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By Fadel Abdallah, May 29, 2008 at 3:38 pm Link to this comment

Good post Nahida, and forgiving after wrong is righted is indeed very noble. Many Arabs and Muslims are capable of doing that. However, there are another group who adhere to the concept of equity and say, “That which has been taken by force and war, must be restored by force and war.” Their opinion should be respected, especially in light of the presence of many terrorist Zionists, like driving bear who posted below. With this type the only solution is to give them a taste of their own medicine!

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By nahida, May 29, 2008 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment

Zionists, you don’t have many choices really, it’s one of two:

1) You either carry on with your crimes: lying, killing, stealing, abusing and oppressing an entire people, isolating yourselves further, and sinking deeply into the abyss of immorality; then frantically searching for peace and security, which you will NEVER find as oppressors, aggressors and occupiers.

2) Or they take a good look in the mirror and see what monsters you have become, and admit the crimes you have committed against innocent people who had nothing to do with the anti-Semitic crimes of Europe, but they have been made to pay the price of those crimes.

If you go for the first choice, you can blame no one but yourselves for a bleak, desolate, dire, and awful future that awaits you, a future in which you can no longer afford to keep living in constant fear and endless wars, a future where it’s only enough for you to lose ONE single war, and it will be over then.

We can afford to lose many wars; there are millions and millions of Arabs and Muslims that surround the zionist entity. And you can’t afford to lose any war, but when you do (it’s inevitable) you lose everything.

Now, if you use your mind, and open your heart to the second option; which is acknowledging the wrongs you’ve committed against us, and recognizing that you’ve been unfair and unjust by stealing our country and denying us our natural human rights.

If you make a start by trying to address and correct the wrongs you have committed by giving us our homes back, our Homeland back, and our rights back, the right to live peacefully and move freely with dignity without humiliation and oppression, and with our humanity respected as your equals not your inferiors, and if you give all our refugees the right to return to their villages and towns; then and only then; we can say: “we will forgive you”.

We will NOT say as some do; “never forget, never forgive”

We will forgive you.

We have a culture that has hospitality and forgiveness at its heart.

You either choose to make friends with your neighbours, and give them their due rights to get peace and security, or continue to create enemies by your incessant oppression until the inevitable falls upon you

The choice is yours

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By blueshift, May 29, 2008 at 1:51 pm Link to this comment

The greatest threat to the Israeli state comes from ‘within.’ Which is to say, ‘without.’ Ardent, fantaic, religious zealots. jewish zealots. The Zionists of the settlements, enclaves outside the borders of Israel - people the Israeli government has responsibility for, but over whom they have no control.

ironically, Israel’s existence may be better served by an alliance with their Palestinian friends, seeing that they face a common enemy.

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By nahida, May 29, 2008 at 1:50 pm Link to this comment

...........

We are sick and tired of witnessing your crimes for decades on end
We are sick and tired of your deception, false claims and the pretence of innocence and victim-hood
We are sick and tired of your orchestrated peace processes and leading-no-where road-maps

What is needed at this stage is not dialogue and reconciliation, what is most urgently needed is to STOP ALL your incessant ugly racism, supremacy, aggression and assault, to put a halt to your crimes, and to take a serious look in the mirror as a whole “population” and see what monsters have you become!

You need to address within your immoral and utterly sick society the obscene injustices you’ve inflected upon us
You need to deal with the hideous, corrupt, aggressive, militarized and wicked society that you have become

Before worrying about demography, hate and distrust, you aught to be worrying about the crimes of your people and the injustices they have committed -and still committing- and how to facilitate for justice to run its course, and how to restore back the rights of millions that you have violated.

That requires an inner reflection of you as a whole people, it requires an honest and sincere look within yourselves, serious questioning of the “history” that you were taught, a bursting of the bubble that you are living in

It requires that you stop all your acts of aggression, theft of land, humiliation, murder, and destruction of our community, and above all, it requires that you step down from the high ground that you placed yourselves on, and be prepared to GIVE UP ALL the privileges that you have bestowed upon yourselves by the “virtue” of your Jewishness!

It also requires restoring our rights back including the right of return of all refugees, AND the compensation to ALL those who suffered from your Frankenstein creation of the racist Zionist entity.

Then and only then dialogue is possible

The basis of any dialogue is equity, justice, fair-play, freedom, and compatibility.

None of those is existing at the moment!

A restoration and establishment of those principles as pre-condition to any forthcoming dialogue is inevitable!

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By Howard, May 29, 2008 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment

The best chance for the Palestinians to achieve statehood in the short-run would be to tell the world they are now prepared to end the violence, replace Hamas, and negotiate. They should offer to accept whatever deal is offered even if it means a Palestinian state the size of a postage stamp. Why? For the same reason the Zionists accepted a state that was little more than a postage stamp.

Think about it. After agreeing to make peace with Israel, within a nanosecond of declaring statehood, the United States will recognize the new state. The rest of the world will follow suit. Within a few minutes, the Americans and Europeans will begin throwing so many dollar bills at the Palestinians that they’ll think that it’s a plague of locusts. If the Palestinians truly wish to live in peace, they can spend the next 50 years building their state, developing an economy, infrastructure, governmental institutions, and all the rest, and the world will cheer and do everything to help them. Israel will be first in line with assistance.

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By nahida, May 29, 2008 at 1:46 pm Link to this comment

.........

Your people have destroyed our culture, denied our existence as human beings, treated us for four generation with sheer cruelty, ruthlessness and contempt, and subjugated us to inconceivable savagery and humiliation, and denied us even the right to defend ourselves on our stolen Palestine under the pretext of “terrorism”

On top of all that your people have lied and lied, until they believed their own lies, you managed to brainwash yourselves with packs of cover-ups and masks of reality until truth became so blur and obscured, so much so that most of your people refuse even to acknowledge their own crimes of theft of a whole country and disposition of a whole nation

You stole the land of our ancestors and forefathers under the claim that some few thousands years back in history, some people who followed your religion have lived there, and apparently secured a contract with God affirming the eternal ownership of this land

How dare you give yourselves these abhorrent privileges of taking over someone’s home and homeland just because you belong to a particular faith?

What does an American Jew, a Russian Jew, an African Jew, a Japanese Jew, an Indian Jew or a German Jew has anything to do with the Land of Palestine?

Do you foolishly expect ME to give up MY rights, MY home, and MY Homeland to YOU, for no other reason except that you are Jews?????

If you think we are some kind of brainless retarded human beings who lack your “intelligence”, “emotions” and “morality” and who would just disregard what happened to them sixty years ago, and who would be happy to live as your inferiors in their own homeland; you better think again

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By nahida, May 29, 2008 at 1:43 pm Link to this comment

So Zionist occupiers heed my words;

Our problem with you is not a “conflict” between two warring parties, who are similarly wrong and equally guilty as you shamelessly often describe… NO… NO… NO

The problem is one of aggression, oppression, colonization, theft, and occupation on your side, and one of being oppressed, exploited, and occupied on our side.

It’s one is of a crime of theft of a whole country and the ethnic cleansing of a whole nation by your people on the one hand and a displaced and dominated population on the other

It’s one of a CRIMINAL THIEF and a DISPOSSESSED VICTIM

To equate the two is nothing but an act of deception and a manifestation of moral bankruptcy.

A whole lot of your people came from ALL over the world, stole our homeland, dispossessed and expelled us, took over our homes and farms, destroyed our villages and history, occupied our country, oppressed those who stayed behind, killed and maimed who dared to demand their rights or attempted to assert their humanity, demonized and subjugated us to a racist, bigoted and ruthless set of laws that don’t apply to yourselves; then you come with chilling cold-heartedness and assert that both parties are equally guilty!!

Which planet are you living on?
By what principles do you abide?
What ethics do you follow?

Have you ever questioned the morality of your actions as multinationals who gave themselves the liberty to come to our homeland -which I am denied the right to live in- take it over by violence and bloodshed, then settle there on the ruins of the villages you’ve annihilated, dwelling in the homes of some dispossessed Palestinians, for no other justifications than the dominance of your Jewishness and the fact that we are not Jews?

Does that not smell of rotten racism, arrogance and supremacy to your clogged-up conscience?

The only crime that our people committed is that they existed on the land of their ancestors which you proclaimed as a God given-right to Jews only.

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By nahida, May 29, 2008 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment

Zionist occupiers:

I must warn you; that what I am going to say is not going to be very pleasant, it will taste as bitter as the chilling years of your occupation, as cold as the barren roots of our uprooted olive trees, and as sour as the dry lips of dying babies at your military checkpoints.

My words will be parched, choking and hard to swallow; it will be as rigid and impervious as the cement of your apartheid wall

My words will smell of tear gas and burning flesh of infants while cuddled in their mothers’ arms after an air raid

My words will be burning hot like a bullet penetrating the head of a little boy as he picked a stone to throw at his oppressor

My words will be sizzling with blazing fire like the one ton bomb dropped from afar at a neighbourhood of sleeping women and children

My words will be gushing causing excruciating pain and discomfort because it stems from the depth of my wounded, distressed and agonised soul that was tormented by your people for the entirety of my existence.

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By nahida, May 29, 2008 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment

Zionists occupiers… Heed my call

Like most people, I do believe in dialogue and civilized coexistence, like most people I long to live in dignity and freedom in my homeland, like most people I yearn for peace and justice for every human, like most people I like to foster loving and trusting relationships with all decent individuals; however, our problem with the Zionist occupiers is not about hate and distrust as they like to believe, it’s not about security as they constantly declare, nor is it about dialogue or lack of it thereof!

Our problem with them is not confined to the many aspects of their occupation, human right abuses, checkpoints, walls, collective punishment and assassinations.

The origin of our problem is as profound as a the roots of a fig tree, buried deep and covered up with piles of dishonesty and deceit, yet its fruits has the pungent taste of supremacy, arrogance, racism, dehumanization, theft, and war crimes, and no amount of fig tree leaves could conceal or beautify.

So, to unearth the core of the problem and spell the truth-out loud and clear, I am going to direct my words towards the Zionists of all shades and affiliations.

Furthermore, I am going to be to honest and blunt here; as the catastrophic situation that they have created does not stomach glossing over any longer

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By Blythe, May 29, 2008 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment
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Indeed it was stolen Howard. Perhaps your history is not up to par. I’m certain that reading either Noam Chomsky or Norman Finkelstein or a host of others will bring you up to date. As for your serial misstatements…perhaps in reading any of the above, they will cease.

And you won’t really have to look far to uncover the fact that Israel did indeed attack the Arab armies in 1967 as they slept. A lot of great historical interviews and footage of this topic.

Regarding the rockets into Israel, do not a people have a right to fend off an occupying army and protect themselves against; attack helicopters (Cobra, Apache), supersonic jets (F-15, F-15E, F-16), Merkav tanks, guided missile attack drones, etc?

And on another note it really doesn’t matter how many countries the Arabs have, if the country or “sections” thereof (Gaza, West Bank) belong to them. This argument I’m afraid is both specious and disingenuous.

As per the topic of the essay, the ‘settlements’ will eventually be disbanded and there will be a one state solution of both Arabs and Jews, finally living peaceably and democratically together. This is the future.

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By Paracelsus, May 29, 2008 at 11:59 am Link to this comment

Well it was called the British mandate, and the Palesinians had little say in immigration policy from 1919 to 1939. That was 20 long years.

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By Paracelsus, May 29, 2008 at 11:49 am Link to this comment

If we could consider South Africa on its own merits, the end of apartheid was been rather immiserating. Black rule in South Africa has even some blacks wishing the white nationalists were back in power. I have thought perhaps it would be best to give the Jews a couple hundred thousand pounds each and a Commonwealth passport to leave Israel/Palestine.

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By Larry, May 29, 2008 at 11:32 am Link to this comment
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It is possible that some converted or were converted.  Since that was centuries ago I think you can safely rule out Jews killing Jews.

My main point is that a Jewish community has always been present.

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By Paracelsus, May 29, 2008 at 11:27 am Link to this comment

Not all the Jews left Palestine after destruction of the Temple. It’s not possible. Some yes. I conjecture that some of these Jews converted to Mohammedism later on. It is possible that Jews are killing Jews.

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By larry, May 29, 2008 at 10:50 am Link to this comment
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Howard:
I felt like someone needed to take your back here.  Since when has Israel denied the terrorists their own state?  They signed a peace treaty with both Egypt and Jordan, which seems to have worked out pretty well.  Sharon pulled out of Gaza without any guarantees.  How well has that worked out.  Jews have been pushed around Europe for centuries, which culminated in the attempt to exterminate them completely.  Why does anyone not believe it when the Arabs say the same things.

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By Sharonsj, May 29, 2008 at 10:44 am Link to this comment
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If you actually read history, you might be able to state facts.  The Jews were in Israel and Judea for thousands of years and have always been there.  The Arabs came at a later date.  Zionism is merely an ideological movement in which Jews were encouraged to return to their original homelands.  If Arabs returned to their original homeland, they’d probably go back to Libya.  When Israel was created for the Jews, the U.N. also created Jordan for the Palestinians.  Gaza and the West Bank were unassigned territories.  Had the U.N. chosen to assign those territories, we wouldn’t be having this argument.

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By ari, May 29, 2008 at 10:43 am Link to this comment
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one issue has been left out inmany stories, which is the refugee status of palestinians. The definition of refugee is unique to the palestinians, since children and grand children etc, are considered refugees. The Arab league holds this UN statement as political bargain, in many countries they are excluded to do certain work or obtain legal papers, except Jordan. Thus their plight is continuing eventhough there status or economic plight could have been improved by Arab nations.

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By Fadel Abdallah, May 29, 2008 at 8:18 am Link to this comment

Well, when I read the title of this newly posted article, I thought this would be a hot topic. My guess was right since it already generated so many comments.

So I will be happy and content if I can make time to read them all. I know that the Zionist vultures will be hard at work on what I consider a dead carrion!

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By Howard, May 29, 2008 at 8:00 am Link to this comment

It was not stolen. That is nonsense. Utter baloney. Result of Jordan and surrounding countries attacking Israel in ‘67.

Who do you give it back to?  Jordan.  As stated.  They are somewhat responsible and will not as a fairly steady run country allow rockets and artillery shell into Israel. 

Settlements will stay.  Can’t have rockets coming from the west bank territory.  Like from Gaza.

Arabs have 20 countries. Let them take pal’s in.  Israel will not have to take them in and commit national suicide.

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By Howard, May 29, 2008 at 7:41 am Link to this comment

The Palestinians actually had 19 years to demand statehood during the Jordanian occupation from 1948-1967. Jordan annexed the West Bank in 1950 rather than grant the Palestinians independence. What is remarkable is that there were no Hanan Ashrawis demanding the end to Jordanian occupation and the creation of a Palestinian state for all those years. Ask a Palestinian today about that and you’ll hear a lot of hemming and hawing. They only discovered a passion for independence after Israel captured the territories in 1967.

And since Jordan is 82% palestinian, Jordan should take over the West Bank, as pal’s cannot govern themselves.

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By Howard, May 29, 2008 at 6:32 am Link to this comment

Today, the Palestinians could be enjoying their 60th year of independence, or their 50th, or their 19th, or their 3rd or the eve of their 2nd. That’s right, by my count they have had at least five opportunities to have a state beside Israel if that was their real objective, but they have chosen to hold out for a Palestinian state instead of Israel. Even today, the opportunity for emancipation exists, but the Palestinians stubbornly cling to their dreams of a Palestinians state replacing Israel rather than accepting the offer to establish a state beside Israel.

The first chance for statehood was in 1947 when the UN actually created an Arab state in Palestine. It was not perfect, it was not what they wanted, but it was a state. The Zionists accepted partition even though it was a truly rotten deal for them too. Think about it. Like the Arabs, the Jews believed they were entitled to all of Palestine, and not just what was then called Palestine, but the 80% of what had been Palestine that the British lopped off and turned into Transjordan. True, the UN gave the Jews more land, but most of it was the Negev desert. The borders were indefensible, and Jerusalem was not only excluded from the Jewish state, it was to be internationalized and surrounded by the Arab state.

So why did the Jews accept such a lousy deal?

David Ben-Gurion and the other Zionist leaders recognized it was the best deal they would get. They also understood that the international community was offering legal recognition for the establishment of a Jewish state. And most important, they would now have an independent state that could be a haven to Jews from around the world, and they could build it into something greater.

Most Palestinian Arabs, on the other hand, believed Palestine really was just southern Syria. They were convinced by their Arab brethren that they had no need to compromise because the Jews would be driven into the sea and they would have the entire country. The whole refugee issue is proof that most Palestinian Arabs were not even prepared to fight for their independence; they chose to flee instead. And so their chance for statehood was squandered

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By Purple Girl, May 29, 2008 at 5:11 am Link to this comment

I am outraged by th enumber of ‘Public Servants’ in this country who are allowed to have duel citizenships.This is a MAJOR Conflict of Interest!
I have nothing against the People of Isreal, Palistine or really any other country. I do however have great resentment towards their Gov’ts, as much as my own Current Oppressive Regime. Oh and of course the Crazed Religious Sociopaths who are allowed to spew their vile Blasphemy around All countries (Hagee).Now There is the REAL nationalsecurity Threat to our country. this meglomaniac has been enlisting Public Officials to help kick off ‘Armegeddon’- with the most dispictable of them ALL being LIEberman.That ‘man’ is not only a traitor to the Dems, Our nation and His own religious community- he is a traitor to mankind!At least Judas betrayed Jesus to fulfill the necessary steps towards GODS ultimate plan, NOT HAGEE’s!Had he been old enough (or born?) HE would have been pointing out & helping Load the Jews on the Rail cars FOR the Nazi’s - What a human abomination!
And as for Both the ‘leaders’ of the isrealites and the Palistinians ( and any muslim who follows the other ‘religious leaders of hate) They are Traitors to their Own peoples and their Wellbeing. These crooks ae Profitting while their people are dying!THERE ARE SOLUTIONS, you just need people who actualy want to achieve them!

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By Nabih Ammari, May 29, 2008 at 4:54 am Link to this comment
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Re:Israel’s Self-Destruction as a Jewish State

I salute Mr.William Pfaff for his straight forward
article,for his candor and,indeed,for his honesty.

The whole essence of Mr.Pfaff’s article reconfirms what the Iranian President has said recently that Israel will be DECOMPOSED from within.In his description of the DECOMPOSITION from within,the Iranian President used the Arabic word “Idhmihlal” which meant/means DECOMPOSITION from within.He pronounced “Idhmihlal” as"Ismihlal”.The equivalent Arabic alphabet to “dh” as written in English
is unique,in the sense that no other language has it,
including Farisi,the language of Iran.In fact,the Arabs refers proudly to their own language as the
language of “Al-thadh”.“Thadh” is the pronunciation
in Arabic for that unique Arabic alphabet,no other
language has-at least to my knowledge.

I went through all of the last paragraph just to prove that the Zionist propaganda machine rudely and
fraudulently lied when it claimed that the Iranian
President said that he wanted to destroy Israel.He
said no such thing.He said no such thing.He said no such thing and,once more for emphasis,he said no such thing,as clearly as I explained so vividly in the above paragraph.


I also salute Nahida for her relentless and splendid
efforts in exposing the Zionist Terror as it must be
exposed.

I have been an observer of the political arena scene
since the good old days of President Dwight David
Eisenhower.I can say unequivocally that I have not seen and I have not read so blunt and an honest an article about the SELF-DESTRUCTION that eventually
will take place in Israel as Mr. William Pfaff’s
article.And I have not seen and I have read as blunt and relentless expose’of the Zionist Terror as Nahid’s.

Good signs for the better,indeed.

Sincerely,
Nabih Ammari
An Independent in Ohio.

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By cyrena, May 29, 2008 at 3:51 am Link to this comment

Nahida,

Thanks for posting these links, including the ones that may not be new. It’s clear that a lot of folks, (like Driving Bear) have never seen them.

Ah, but maybe I’m giving him too much credit in assuming that if he was aware of these things, he’d know better than to make these comments that make him sound like a protege of Charles Manson.

He’s concerned with Jews outbirthing the natives of Palestine, and suggesting that these Natives of the land, (The Palestinians) simply take $200k to leave what he calls the ‘holyland’ except of course that it hasn’t been a holyland for over 60 years, since Israel started slaughtering. At least not my idea of a holyland. How is it a holyland when it’s soaked with the blood of so many innocents, perpetrated by terrorists?

More of that backward thinking that is so popular in our own Terrorist Era of the Dick Bush regime.

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By nahida, May 29, 2008 at 2:17 am Link to this comment

The Zionist entity was established by TERROR, maintained by TERROR, and can only continue to exist by the use of TERROR:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2500957394773313398

Watching this documentary (even though it’s not new) is must in order to comprehend the horrific and barbaric methods that led to the establishment of this terrorist entity.

It refers to the destruction of three Palestinian villages out of a total of 531 that were utterly destroyed and ethnically cleansed.
My own village Beit Iksa was half-destroyed; the shattered ruins of the beautiful sad house are still there for all to see.

http://www.palestineremembered.com/GeoPoints/Bayt_Iksa_865/Picture_15106.html

Our neighbouring villages of Lifta, and Deir Yassin were completely destroyed and ethnically cleansed.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Jerusalem/Dayr-Yasin/Story1992.html

The ruins of these villages are a testimony against the barbarity, gruesome and monstrous uncivilized behaviour of Jewish terrorism manifested in the Zionist ideology.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Jerusalem/Lifta/Picture6929.html

As a child I remember standing for hours watching the stone-cutters craftsmen in my village chiselling away stones, carving them one by one, to be used to build new homes.

These stones were cut with love, and shaped individually with utmost respect to land and nature, the Palestinian homes look like an organic feature in the land, they blend in beautifully, while the Zionists colonies appear as a cancerous eye-sore, an unsightly harsh cluster of offensive and aggressive buildings.

The crimes still continues, plans to wipe Lifta utterly and build new Jewish luxury homes are on the way, albeit, there is a campaign to try to halt this crime.

http://www.zochrot.org/index.php?id=171

http://www.saving-memory.blogspot.com/


http://poetryforpalestine.spaces.live.com/


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By nahida, May 29, 2008 at 1:48 am Link to this comment

The Zionist entity was established by TERROR, maintained by TERROR, and can only continue to exist by the use of TERROR:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2500957394773313398

Watching this documentary (even though it’s not new) is must in order to comprehend the horrific and barbaric methods that led to the establishment of this terrorist entity.

It refers to the destruction of three Palestinian villages out of a total of 531 that were utterly destroyed and ethnically cleansed.
My own village Beit Iksa was half-destroyed; the shattered ruins of the beautiful sad house are still there for all to see.

http://www.palestineremembered.com/GeoPoints/Bayt_Iksa_865/Picture_15106.html

Our neighbouring villages of Lifta, and Deir Yassin were completely destroyed and ethnically cleansed.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Jerusalem/Dayr-Yasin/Story1992.html

The ruins of these villages are a testimony against the barbarity, gruesome and monstrous uncivilized behaviour of Jewish terrorism manifested in the Zionist ideology.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Jerusalem/Lifta/Picture6929.html

As a child I remember standing for hours watching the stone-cutters craftsmen in my village chiselling away stones, carving them one by one, to be used to build new homes.

These stones were cut with love, and shaped individually with utmost respect to land and nature, the Palestinian homes look like an organic feature in the land, they blend in beautifully, while the Zionists colonies appear as a cancerous eye-sore, an unsightly harsh cluster of offensive and aggressive buildings.

The crimes still continues, plans to wipe Lifta utterly and build new Jewish luxury homes are on the way, albeit, there is a campaign to try to halt this crime.

http://www.zochrot.org/index.php?id=171

http://www.saving-memory.blogspot.com/


http://poetryforpalestine.spaces.live.com/

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By nahida, May 29, 2008 at 1:45 am Link to this comment

What I as a Palestinians would like to see is an all inclusive state of PALESTINE, on the whole land of historic Palestine, a state for all its citizens, where all races, religions living side by side on equal grounds.

A state with no walls between its peoples; where no one is denied their basic human rights for their religious or non-religious beliefs, no one is denied justice for their race; no one is prevented from returning to their homes on the basis of their ethnicity. If that should mean an end to a racist exclusive Jewish state so be it. (of course the end of the zionist entity does NOT mean the end of the Jewish people)

And if I may speak as a mother, seeing my beloved Palestine divided is like seeing my baby chopped in half!

It pains me enormously, I would rather accept to share my baby with an impostor mother, who claims my baby as hers, rather than having him sliced into two pieces.

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By nahida, May 29, 2008 at 1:43 am Link to this comment

SECONDLY:

The continuous existence of such a state (as defined by the hegemony of one particular group “the Jewish” over the rest of its citizens) is deplorable logically, legally, and morally:

a) Logically unacceptable; as by definition “”Israel” is a Jewish state; in order to maintain its exclusive “Jewishness” it denies millions of exiled Palestinians their basic human right; namely the right of return to their homes and their families.

When Hitler called for a purely Arian state the world got up in arms against such an exclusive racists regime.

b) Legally unacceptable; for the inability of this entity to comply by the conditions laid out by the international community, and inability to abide by any UN resolution.

c)  Morally unacceptable; for the fact that since its inception over the past 60 years, this entity managed to prove to the world time and again the decay of its moral fibre; as it sank deeply in the abyss of wickedness and inhumanity., through displaying her acts of terror, cruelty, and ruthlessness with no shame or remorse.


How can such a state demand the right be recognized and to be secured when the very foundation on which it was established are immoral? How such a state should continue to exist when by its very definition it is insular, exclusive, aggressive and racist?


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By nahida, May 29, 2008 at 1:41 am Link to this comment

f) when Palestine was divided the immigrant Jews owned only less than 6% of the land, and the Palestinians owned 94% of Palestine

g) Israel’s recognition as a state (by the United Nations and the International community) was conditional to Israel abiding by UN resolutions including the right of return of Palestinians; which were never implemented by Israel.

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By nahida, May 29, 2008 at 1:39 am Link to this comment

e) When Palestine was divided, Palestinians (the true owners of the land) were NEVER asked!! Their objection was dismissed! And heir wishes were ignored!

So, if the Zionists start calling our stolen homes and land theirs, it will NOT become theirs; simply because it was acquired forcefully, unethically, immorally, and even illegally.
The UN, Europeans, and the world community did not own Palestine, Palestinian did

A third party cannot give away to someone something which belongs to someone else! Even with the vote of the whole of humanity

What is immoral IS immoral

Palestine which was owned by the Palestinians was given away by Europeans to compensate for their crimes against the Jews

Neither the Europeans nor the world community have the right to do so

Palestine was UNETHICALLY acquired by the Zionists through a process of severe injustice: land grab, racist laws, ethnic cleansing, ruthless murder, and genocide

A whole lot of people who came from all over the world attacked us and STOLE our homeland, dispossessed us, oppressed us, and still do so: all in the name of a mythical claim that goes back thousands of years in history

This is by far the biggest ROBBERY human history has ever known!

No amount of polishing or glossing over could change this ugly fact


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By nahida, May 29, 2008 at 1:38 am Link to this comment

THE BIGGEST ROBBERY IN HISTORY

Israel not only has no right to exist as a Jewish state (for the apparent racism that’s embedded in this definition) but also has no right to exist as a state and a political system. Period.

RESONS:

FIRSTLY:

The immoral and unethical grounds upon which “Israel” was founded:
a) When the Zionists adopted Palestine as a home land for all the Jewish people they ignored the fact that Palestine had already its own native Palestinian inhabitants, with a very small Jewish minority of 2.5%.

b) The early Jewish refugees did not come with a friendly attitude with intentions to live in peace with the native Inhabitants of Palestine, but rather with the mentality of colonising and ethnically cleansing of the natives.

c) They did not come with olive branches in their hands; rather they came with tanks and machine guns, they engaged in extensive terror attacks on the native Palestinians, they were building their armed forces ever since until it became the forth most powerful state in the world today.

d) When Zionists violently, unethically, and with the use of genocide, war crimes and ethnic cleansing acquired our Palestine, the land was already belonging to someone else.

It was already owned by its native people

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By driving bear, May 29, 2008 at 12:07 am Link to this comment

If you look at the current birth rates , the jewish birth rate is higher that the arab one. Also the birth rate of religious pro Zionist jews is one of the highest in the world now. Also due to poverty the arab birth rate is falling. Also according to a recent poll about half of the arabs of Gaza and the west bank would like to leave the holyland. So Israel will continue to be a jewish state.
In my opinion the world should support a current plan being talked about in Israel , in essence giving $200k for every arab family who leaves the holyland.
As for an Arab government not wanting to attack Israel Iran is doing just that by way of proxy’s of
Hezbollah and Hamas.

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