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Posted on May 13, 2008
Guantanamo detainees
Shane T. McCoy / U.S. Navy

Now open: This photo from Guantanamo Bay was taken on Jan. 11, 2002—the day the prison camp opened at the U.S. military base.

By Robert Scheer

Ah, yes, those torture confessions have proved so useful. That, at least, was the claim of our president in justifying one of the most egregious assaults ever on this nation’s commitment to the rule of law. But now comes news that charges have been dropped against the so-called Sept. 11 attacks’ 20th hijacker, one of dozens so identified, because the “evidence” he supplied under torture and later recanted is not credible enough to go to trial.

That fact, of course, will not compel President Bush to cut the tortured prisoner loose. After all, Saudi citizen Mohammed al-Qahtani has only been held in confinement for more than six years without being charged with a crime, and without being allowed to confront his accusers in a court of law.

The fact that the information produced is worthless—as evidenced by Qahtani, once driven insane, naming everyone around him in the camp as a major al-Qaida operative—will not deter those who condone torture. But others expert in these matters, including presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain, will recoil from such tactics.

It was the treatment of Qahtani and other prisoners, as witnessed by horrified U.S. Navy Department investigators at Guantanamo, that got the attention of the Navy’s then-General Counsel Alberto J. Mora. In one of those all too rare examples of true heroism that makes one proud to be an American, Mora challenged the Bush administration to practice the human rights standards that America proclaims to the world. But Bush would stay true to his own values: “Any activity we conduct is within the law,” Bush stated in November 2005, adding, “We do not torture.”

What was it then? As the New Yorker’s Jane Mayer reported in 2006, citing the Army’s own interrogation logs, Qahtani, in addition to being subjected to documented beatings and other physical abuse, was put through an S&M routine calculated to drive him mad, which it accomplished:

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“Qahtani had been subjected to 160 days of isolation in a pen perpetually flooded with artificial light. He was interrogated on 48 of 54 days, for 18 to 20 hours at a stretch. He had been stripped naked; straddled by taunting female guards, in an exercise called ‘invasion of space by a female;’ forced to wear women’s underwear on his head, and to put on a bra; threatened by dogs; placed on a leash and told that his mother was a whore.”

Quite an advertisement for the American way of life. Should we expect the rest of the world to boycott the Olympics when we next get to host the Games? Others might question why the Third 1949 Geneva Convention’s prohibition against “outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment,” doesn’t apply to the United States.

The failure to elicit any usable incriminating information from Qahtani once again supports the view of most experts that torture is not only morally repugnant, it is in fact counterproductive to getting at the truth.

But this didn’t trouble John Yoo, then the Justice Department lawyer who wrote the infamous Bybee memo on torture, named after Yoo’s boss, Jay S. Bybee, who was rewarded for his leadership with a judgeship on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in Los Angeles. Yoo, the best recent example of what the great anti-Nazi writer Hannah Arendt once referred to as the “banality of evil,” teaches law at UC Berkeley when not touring the country to argue that if an action does not produce death through organ failure it can’t be torture. Audiences tend to clap politely and observe that while they don’t agree with him, he is, as I was told by a UCLA professor after such an appearance, “a very bright fellow.”

On Feb. 6, 2003, as Qahtani was being led around on a leash, Yoo visited Mora in his Pentagon office. Mora later told the New Yorker writer Mayer that he asked Yoo, “Are you saying the president has the authority to order torture?” Yoo answered with a clear “yes.” Following that stellar legal advice, then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, with Yoo’s encouragement, officially approved “hooding,” “exploitation of phobias,” “stress positions,” “deprivations of light and auditory stimuli” and the other horrors that the scandals of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo would burn into the legacy of the United States.

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By FCBarca, May 22, 2008 at 1:14 pm Link to this comment

Exactly why I concurred with Michelle Obama’s comments that for such a long time she felt embarrassed to be an American…This has not been the America I have known, and it hasn’t been for 8 years now

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By wildflower, May 16, 2008 at 10:20 am Link to this comment

“John Yoo, John Yoo,
‘Tis his intent
To give us a King and a Parliament.
By stroke of a pen or by rubber stamp, his Leader will throw
you into a camp.
Complicit judges and Congress in tow
Our Constitution to overthrow.

John Yoo, John Yoo,
He goes to bed,
With visions of crushing children’s testicles in his head
Enemy combatants all around,
Grab them, bag them, board them till they drown.

You’re an enemy combatant!
I’m an enemy combatant!
We’re all enemy combatants if his Leader says so;
We the People are We the Enemy don’t you know!”

(From: “John Yoo and the Neocon Treason and Plot,” by Stewart Rhodes)


NOTE: I stumbled upon this poem while doing some research. There are additional verses on the author’s website. 

http://stewart-rhodes.blogspot.com/2006/11/john-yoo-poem-freedom-lovers-version-of.html

Another interesting note from the author’s website (He is not a liberal), the NEVADA STATE REPUBLICAN PLATFORM is calling for a REPEAL of the PATRIOT and MILITARY COMMISSIONS ACT (Rumor is McCain is freaking out.)

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By Marion Ross, May 15, 2008 at 1:44 pm Link to this comment
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Till American citizens allow their children to study the law under guidance of John Yoo, this country is doomed. Feith and Yoo must be reminded of their crimes constantly – on a street, in auditoriums – and asked regularly how they spend the bloody money earned with high treason. 
Instead, the politically savvy university administrators protect these morons in order to protect their positions (for now). It is long overdue to start a court procedure against both weasels.

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By bozhidar bob balkas, May 15, 2008 at 12:08 pm Link to this comment
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now that we have zionism and samecons (yes, folks, samecons, and not neocons) i’m nostalgic for genghis, stalin, and fascism, maybe soon also for nazism!?
i also have some good news for u. zionism makes me mad but zionism makes zionists and judaists crazier by day. i got even better news for uze guys/dolls: these rabidos will fail!
the reason i can prophesy, is cuz i have a devil of my own. he tells me all this. he still hobnobs with baal, yahweh, god, and allah. and these semitic gods know everything and also blab. thank u.

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By felicity, May 15, 2008 at 8:25 am Link to this comment

And they admit it.  Cheney ‘explained’ it to us when he said, “We have to work the dark side.”

Early on in this tragic scenario torture, when advertised, was to be a means of deterring future would-be terrorists.  Later on the thugs refused to describe the types of torture used citing the possibility that terrorists would then be trained on ways to withstand them.

Wait a minute. On the one hand you advertise various torture techniques but on the other hand they must be kept secret? As you said, Hammo, a sadistic ‘streak’ is in operation here (and nothing else.)

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By wildflower, May 15, 2008 at 7:47 am Link to this comment

John Dean has written a series of articles on “Why Authoritarians Now Control the Republican Party: The Rise of Authoritarian Conservatism.” I recommend them to anyone trying to sort out some of the issues we are facing today, especially this torture issue.  They can be found on his findlaw site - http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/

Needless to say, this torture issue ties into a lot of things occurring in the U.S., which Dean suggests began with Nixon: 

“Nixon created the “imperial presidency.” After the public rejected that concentration of power, in the aftermath of Watergate, Reagan restored the imperial presidency in another guise. Now, Bush and Cheney have created the post-imperial presidency. Using the threat of terrorism as their justification, Bush and Cheney have embraced the so-called “unitary executive theory” - which, in truth, is merely another term for an authoritarian presidency.”

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By cyrena, May 15, 2008 at 12:29 am Link to this comment

Thanks Expat! I wouldn’t have seen this if you hadn’t posted the link, and I’ve been curious about this since it happened. I was quite pleased when the Italians filed a criminal case against these CIA guys, and of course I knew that Dick would never agree to extradite them. Still, it meant some nation among the many of the victimized nations had decided to do something. And, while it’s good that these guys WERE indicted by the Italians, it probably would have been better if they could have taken this to the International Court. Then again, the US won’t sign on to the ICC, so I don’t know if that would have accomplished anything anyway. (Kind of like how Israel has been sitting on all of those nukes for over 20 years, but refuses to sign the NPT, making themselves immune from any international monitoring).

And then we get to this part of the demonizing of the victims wife.

•  On Wednesday, defense lawyers tried to counter Nabila’s testimony, portraying her as an unreliable witness. She and her husband now live in Cairo with their 3-month-old child and are supported by Nasr’s family. …After Wednesday’s session, Titta Madia, a defense lawyer for Pollari, said that Nabila’s form of heavily veiled dress indicated an “unreliable witness” since it was “an expression of an extreme Islam,” moved by “a deep hatred of Americans and toward the Western world.”

Man oh man, these people SOOO piss me off!! They just connect all the ideological dots they want, pulling stuff out of the air, whenever there’s anything “Islamic” involved. She’s unreliable because of her traditional clothing, and her traditional clothing just automatically means that she has a ‘deep hatred of Americans and toward the Western world.”

Even if she DOES have a hatred toward Americans and the Western world, it doesn’t have to have ANYTHING to do with Islam. It could be because of what they did to her husband. That’s reason enough for me. And, THAT doesn’t make her unreliable, nor does it have to read as ‘an expression of an extreme Islam”! How the hell would this Titta Madia know anyway? Is SHE a Muslim? Sounds like a standard Italian to me. Well, that and a lawyer. Some of them will do anything.

Anyway, thanks. This prompts me to return to my tedious attempt to learn more about the renditions that happen on this end, (since it’s only the CIA doing them). But, that’s so super, super secretive it’s been hard to find much. And, I’m going to try to remind myself to follow up on whatever the Italian Constitutional Court comes up with as well. Just because I’m curious I guess. I know they’ll never be able to try those 26 Americans. I don’t think any of them would be stupid/arrogant enough to get caught in Italy again. There are warrents out for Rumsfeld and Kissinger as well, but they’ve managed to escape capture by staying away from those places that wanna try them.

Then again, who knows.

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By Expat, May 14, 2008 at 11:36 pm Link to this comment

“Italian ‘rendition’ trial begins with torture testimony”

MILAN: A long-delayed trial of CIA operatives and former top Italian intelligence officials moved forward here on Wednesday, as a judge ruled that Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi could be called to testify about the abduction of a radical Muslim cleric here in 2003.
Link;

http://iht.com/articles/2008/05/15/europe/15italy.php

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By Ron, May 14, 2008 at 10:13 pm Link to this comment

That’s a good question. A question I have is, does the United Nations War Crimes Tribunal have the political muscle to charge the Bush Administration for torture?

My speculation is that even if there was that possibility, China, who owns one third of America’s debt, would step in and prohibit that from happening in order to protect their economic interests.

Of course, they might not intervene and let it happen, because it would be looked at worldwide as an attempt by America to right its wrongs for the past eight years, regaining some its ruined image.

Feedback please?

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By cyrena, May 14, 2008 at 7:14 pm Link to this comment

Nope, not wiped Bill. We’re glad to hear from you. I wasn’t aware that Robert Sheer had been at Patriotsquestion, but I’m delighted to know that now. I’ll have to check him out, as I did another link just a bit ago.

I noticed that his next book will be published by Twelve. I’ve just begun reading another book from that publishing company: “The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9/11 Investigation” by Philip Shenon. I’ll let you know what I think.

Meantime, this is a relatively new publisher, and they sound impressive, (at least I thought so) Here’s what they say about themselves:

“TWELVE was established in August 2005 with the objective of publishing no more than one book per month. We strive to publish the singualar book, by authors who have a unique perspective and compelling authority. Works that explain our culture; that illuminate, inspire, provoke, and entertain. We seek to establish communities of conversation surrounding our books. Talented authors deserve attention not only from publishers but from readers as well. To sell the book is only the beginning of our mission. To build avid audiences of readers who are enriched by these works—- that is our ultimate purpose.”

And, the website is:
http://www.twelvebooks.com

So, check ‘em out.

I’m off to hear what Willie Brown has to say these days, and maybe pick up his book as well. (depending on if I can talk him into some sort of discount). See what the fascists have reduced me to? Looking for a discount anywhere I can get one. smile

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By VillageElder, May 14, 2008 at 4:37 pm Link to this comment

After seven plus years of hearing about torture, trampling of the constitution and denying civil rights and the need to adhere to treaties what can one say?

The good thing is I don’t remember any of these cases making it to court for a guilty verdict.  The bad thing is none of these cases made it to court so a firm adjudication could be made.  The policies are repudiated yet there is no prosecution of the progenitors and executors of these policies.

Will these issues receive the attention they are due   with a democrat president and congress?

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By msgmi, May 14, 2008 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment
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1930s-1940s torture fascist-style is illegal.
1930s-1040s-1950s-1960s-1970s-1980s torture soviet-style is illegal.
1930’s-1940s-1950s-1960s-1970s-1980s-1990s-2000 Pacific Rim torture is illegal.
Post 2000 - attorney Johnny Woo countervenes the Geneva Convention’s humane treatment by-laws and legalizes torture. Woo has given the S&M;platform a new meaning.

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By cyrena, May 14, 2008 at 3:20 pm Link to this comment

Thanks Jonas,

I’m hoping for ALL of the above. You’re right that they’ve so far not been able to do much at all, because of exactly what you’ve said. The neocons held all of the power then, and in reality they still do.

I just read yet another piece on Rove’s refusal to testify on the Siegleman issue, (one of the DA’s that he got fired) and that’s just been the case over and over. Among those that ARE working hard in Congress, (and there are some) they run up against a brick wall when they try to get to the main operatives.

Based on what Obama has said along the way, (when questioned) he seems ready to take action, once he can. So, we can hope for that.

And, there are enough International organizations, (even here) that have been working at something on the international level, though I don’t see much of it happening until we can get them out.

So, we’ll keep hoping. I think there are enough people in Congress, (or will be) to rescind the MCA, and that’s just a start.

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By Jonas South, May 14, 2008 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

Cyrena May 14 :
’ I mean, these guys should have been brought up for charges and impeached years ago. That they haven’t been, is maybe the scariest part of all.

Actually, that IS the scariest part of all.’

Yes, it is scary, but we mustn’t lose heart. At the time the crimes were committed, the neo-cons held all the reins of power in Washington. This is about to change, which brings us to ‘what would Obama do?’

If he appoints the right people to the Justice department, and pulls in enough Democrats with guts with his coat-tails, justice may yet be served in this country. Congress can start by rescinding the Military Commissions Act, which was designed to immunize them.

If the U.S. does nothing, then internationally, there is always the chance that other nations will hound these dogs.

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By Hammo, May 14, 2008 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment

There seems to be a very sadistic streak in the Bush-Cheney administration.

It appears to be a problem not only of law, international relations, military conduct and the standing of America ... but also of mental health.

To have such apparently disturbed people in positions of power in the U.S. is truly dangerous for all of us.

Helpful resources at:
http://www.jointreconstudygroup.blogspot.com

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By Thomas Billis, May 14, 2008 at 11:51 am Link to this comment

O please.The hottest partof hell is reserved for those who do nothing.A dictator was elected twice by a moronic public.One of the founders said that our system of government was idiot proof.Probably true if not all involved were idiots.The dictator did and a compliant congress and judiciary said could we have another helping.Our system was set up to control excesses if a chimp gets elected.As Mr Scheer takes the easy way out blame it on Bush.Mr Scheer Bush is a moron a dictator a chimpanzee and worse so what.Where in the hell was everybody else?I do not blame Bush he is all that I have stated above.I accuse everyone else of complicity in this disaster.Where were all the other elected officials and Judges protecting us from our lapse in judgement by electing Bush.Mr Scheer stop taking the easy way out.

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By A. Z. Arrow, May 14, 2008 at 10:43 am Link to this comment

Thank you Robert for writing about the the neocon’s and conservative Bush gang’s imposition of torture.

Thank you Bill Blackolive for the link to http://patriotsquestion911.com/
And let me,additionally, suggest, http://www.911sharethetruth.com/


Thank you “cyrena” for your intelligence and for talking about “the Banality of Evil.”

And thank you Arrow, for a steady commitment to truth, and for forwarding (as requested), this blind man’s urgent comment -so that others may see. ~Bruce

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By Rob Thair, May 14, 2008 at 10:40 am Link to this comment
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This story has been told many times and demonstrates the culpability of many in this administration but falls short in suggesting what should be done and what is available in the way of redress for these abuses.  Is it enough to simply run out the same old canards about this fiasco without spelling out what we can, or should, expect from both the media and legal community?  Is there no comment from the progressive wing to address these facts we all have heard for the umpteenth time?

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By Don Stivers, May 14, 2008 at 8:28 am Link to this comment

It is outrageous.  All responsible should be HUNG for war crimes.

What does it take to arrive at justice? 

Slapping John Yoo in the face until his teeth fall out would not be torture would it?  At least by his own definition.  And yet, as others suffer because of his memo, he walks around and smiles and makes money because he was a person in the higher ranks of government immune from punishment.  Why are they immune?  Why do people politely smile and clap at our President who condones this sort of behavior and has even commanded it?

Why?  Why?  Why?

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By Bill Blackolive, May 14, 2008 at 8:19 am Link to this comment
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Robert, good to see you at Patriotsquestion 9/11, and I am seeing now if my note gets wiped out as it has been the last 3 times I have responded to a headline at Truthdig.  Your fascist engineer figures it not my right to advertise Patriotsquestion9/11 at Truthdig.

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By Purple Girl, May 14, 2008 at 8:01 am Link to this comment

Evey Seator sitting on the Armed Services Com (Con) should be facing Dereliciton of duty and Reckless endangerment Charges ( Hillary, Mac) If not Treason, War crime and Crimes agaisnt Humantiy.Since congress has chosen to do nothing to stop this Corrupt crazy Regimep they they should stand trial.
teh Armed servcie Com (con) is Responsible for Oversight regarding everyting to do with the Military- It’s use, it’s Mission, it troop levels, it’s equipment, it welfare, it’s healthcare, it’s actions while in Conflict, any additional outside/outsourced service providers…endless list. Now name one area they have Not failed to do their Duty as prescribed by their own mission statement and the Expectations of their Bosses-US!
Hillary and Mac should not be running election campaigns they should be running their own Defense Team to avoid the Max sentence for These High Crimes!

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By hippy pam, May 14, 2008 at 6:26 am Link to this comment

The Spanish Inquisition…The Salem Witch Trials…
[these are only the first that came to mind]
People will confess to ANYTHING-Just to MAKE IT STOP….And they will implicate whom ever….Just to
MAKE IT STOP….

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By A. Z. Arrow, May 14, 2008 at 6:26 am Link to this comment

Friends:

Is anyone really surprised that all charges have been dropped, as there was no “evidence” –even after “robust” (a favored Rumsfeld word) torture— especially because 9/11 was an “inside job” perpetrated by the oily Bush Gang (with other select Neonazicons) accompanied by both, a NORAD stand down, and by means of collusion via a secret contract with a private corporation made up of demolition saboteurs, and likely, with security assistance from Silverstein properties and his group? 

How could there be any real evidence, or “hard evidence,” against fall guy # 20? 

~Bruce

TORTURE—CHARGES DROPPED AGAINST ‘20TH HIJACKER,’ GUANTANAMO TORTURE VICTIM: The AP reports that the Pentagon has “dropped charges” against Mohammad al-Qahtani, “a Saudi at Guantanamo who was alleged to have been the so-called ‘20th hijacker’ in the Sept. 11 attacks.” An attorney involved in the case “said he could not comment on the reasons for the dismissal.” Al-Qahtani, also known as Detainee 063, was an important detainee for the Bush administration. He was the subject of a 2002 meeting at Guantanamo that included former attorney general Alberto Gonzales, Vice President Cheney’s lawyer David Addington, and former Pentagon counsel Jim Haynes. Then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld authorized the “First Special Interrogation Plan” for Qahtani, which included “forty-eight days of severe sleep deprivation and 20-hour interrogations, forced nudity, sexual humiliation, religious humiliation, physical force, prolonged stress positions and prolonged sensory overstimulation, and threats with military dogs,” as the Center for Constitutional Rights observed. But renowned international lawyer Phillippe Sands noted that credible evidence gleaned from this torture was non-existent. Furthermore, the records of the interrogations were mysteriously lost, as cameras that “run 24 hours a day at the prison were set to automatically record over their contents.”

Source: the Progress Report, Center May 13, 2008

http://www.americanprogressaction.org

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By Expat, May 14, 2008 at 6:08 am Link to this comment

^ information; it has always been about terror and the fear terror generates.  Torture tells us more about the torturers than those tortured.  It speaks to some of the many aspects of our nature.  Torture tells many secrets about the people who use it against perceived enemies.  The more we know the details and methods; the more we know about the designers and the practitioners.  It’s the ultimate mirror of ourselves and our values.

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By jane, May 14, 2008 at 5:53 am Link to this comment
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Professor Yoo is teaching Constitutional law at Boalt Hall, and the other moron is now rewarded for his lack of understanding of the US Constitution by being appointed Constitutional law Professor at Georgetown (all under the brilliant scheming of John Ashcroft).Reverend Hagis would say amen to that. I heard there was some protests against Yoo’s tenure recently

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By Paolo, May 14, 2008 at 5:44 am Link to this comment

Torture is useless for gaining any really valuable intelligence; the CIA and other agencies agree on this. Torture has been used, down through the ages, not to garner new and useful information, but to simply get someone to confess something that can be used politically.

Let’s take an example. Suppose you are an American pilot shot down while conducting heroic bombing raids on third world villages. Your captors use torture to find out about American strategies against them. To stop the torture, you give them what you think they want to hear. You make up plans for future bombing runs or ground assaults that are plausible, but not true. This is why intelligence gathered by torture is so unreliable.

Suppose your captors demand that you condemn your country on video, for propaganda purposes? Of course, you do so, to avoid the torture. But the resultant propaganda isn’t very useful, since it is obvious you spoke it to avoid torture.

In short, torture has almost no practical use. This is not to say, however, that it doesn’t have psychological use: it makes the torturer feel powerful. It makes people fear him. This is why G W Bush has approved the use of torture. In effect, the stunned population of the torturer-in-chief’s own country, as well as others around the globe, conclude “this guy will do ANYTHING to get what he wants. He’s really ruthless. Maybe we should try to appease him until we can figure out a way to get rid of him.”

Torture is mankind’s sickest, most demented crime. It is morally far worse than murder or execution. In a just society, anyone found guilty of aiding and abetting the use of torture would be considered the most foul criminal of all. In modern America, our leaders ARE these criminals.

Observe, by the way, that our potential leaders are NOT being questioned much about torture. No one seems to be demanding that our presidential candidates take a clear, uncompromising stand against torture. Instead, we talk endlessly about flag lapel pins and pastors. These issues seem to provoke moral outrage; torture does not.

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By cyrena, May 14, 2008 at 5:24 am Link to this comment

“...because the moron never DOES anything.”

Maybe not Sam, but his puppet masters sure do. All he has to do is follow directions and sign where they tell him to sign.

At the same time, I agree that many Americans have ‘accepted’ the moron as their president and their leader, but many of us have always known he was neither.

Cheney makes the rules, and tells his private staff what to write to make it work the way he wants to. Then the potted plant just signs the stuff.

So, anybody who keeps saying that ‘bush did this’ or bush did that, hasn’t come to the full realization (or any) that from the beginning, this fascist operation has been dick cheney’s show, and that’s that.

Meantime, this is an excellent article by Robert Sheer. When I first read it, I thought I was reading some of my own stuff. Maybe I’ve been too immersed in torture, torture law, and the overthrow that has turned us into a nation controlled by fascism.

I noted his reference to Hannah Arndt, and the Banality of Evil. I reference her work, (and that in particular) quite often these days.

And of course I’ve been following all of these so-called trials, so I wasn’t surprised to read, (just before this piece was posted) that they’ve needed to drop the charges against this latest victim as well. Of course we don’t know yet what they’re gonna do with him.

Anyway, this torture thing is probably ‘THE’ absolute worst of the crimes they’ve committed, though I hate to get into classifying or otherwise making such determinations, when it’s ALL criminal, and violates ALL of the highest laws of the land. Crimes Against Humanity.

Still, it’s terrifying that they’ve been able to get away with this for so long. Not because some of us haven’t been raising hell and all of the alarms all along, but just because apparently, not ENOUGH of us have, and specifically Congress.

I mean, these guys should have been brought up for charges and impeached years ago. That they haven’t been, is maybe the scariest part of all. 

Actually, that IS the scariest part of all.

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By KISS, May 14, 2008 at 5:19 am Link to this comment

“John McCain, will recoil from such tactics.” Balderdash, McCain will continue this form of insanity just as Bush has done. 
“Others might question why the Third 1949 Geneva Convention’s prohibition against “outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment,” does not apply to the United States.” Such crass and stupidity from Bush and his band of ingrates. Yoo still teaching at Berkley another shame on the universities of this nation. With professors as Yoo, Meese, Schulz, and the other liars and crooks what are we to expect from coming administrators in the new generation? Obviously brightness and humanity are not of equality.
Again excellent writing Mr. Scheer.

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By SamSnedegar, May 14, 2008 at 3:23 am Link to this comment

When do we start to recognize that the ultimate torture to US citizens comes from forcing them to accept a moron as their president and leader?

People keep saying, “Bush did this,” and, “Bush did that,” but the truth of the matter is that the moron did nothing, the same as he has ALWAYS done in every instance of his own tortured life comprising a series of abject failures, one after another, which only occur via TALKING, because the moron never DOES anything.

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