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Taking a Stand Against War

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Posted on May 11, 2008
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By Scott Ritter

As someone who has been urging focused citizen activism for some time now, I find it heartening that there are those in the United States who put action to words and seek to lead by example. This is the case with Chicago Alderman Joe Moore, who, together with seven of his 49 colleagues (Toni Preckwinkle, Sandi Jackson, Eugene Schulter, Robert Fioretti, Freddrenna Lyle, Ricardo Munoz and Mary Ann Smith), has prepared a resolution for the Chicago City Council opposing war on Iran. By itself, this resolution most probably will not serve to alter the policies currently being pursued by the Bush administration. But when a great American city such as Chicago takes the lead in expressing its rejection of irresponsible national policy, other cities should, and will, take notice. 

I have been asked to be a witness, together with other experts on Iran and U.S. Middle East policy, before the City Council as it considers this resolution. I think it is of great importance that the representatives of the people of Chicago vote to adopt it in its entirety. I would also encourage other municipalities to consider similar resolutions opposing war on Iran, and to express their concern through the adoption of resolutions which, collectively, might serve as a notice to the United States Congress, as well as the administration of President Bush, that a war with Iran would not be supported by the citizens of this land.

In preparing for my role as witness, I carefully considered the Chicago resolution in its entirety, and offer my analysis of its content as a primer for interested parties. I sincerely hope that the leadership and courage exhibited by the Chicago council members can be replicated across America in a timely fashion, and that the resultant will of the people is recognized by the Congress in time for effective legislation to be drafted and passed which reduces the threat of U.S.-Iranian conflict. 

“WHEREAS, The Bush Administration and its Congressional allies are engaging in a systematic campaign to convince the American people that the Islamic Republic of Iran poses an imminent threat to the American nation, American troops in the Middle East and U.S. allies.”

The propaganda war being waged by the Bush administration in this regard has been as intense and relentless as any in recent memory. Either directly or through proxy, the administration has painted a one-sided portrait of Iran which is inaccurate and misleading in the extreme. To have a nation of nearly 80 million people, possessing a history and culture several thousands of years old, suddenly personified in the image of a single individual, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is a gross misrepresentation. Imagine if one tried to characterize the entire American people in the form of George W. Bush. Iran is a diverse nation, with numerous political and social constituencies which compete across a broad spectrum of forums, governmental and nongovernmental alike. To take the words and deeds of one man, out of context in some cases and inaccurately in others, and use them to paint a picture of national policy is as wrong as it is deceitful. 

Iran today poses no threat to the American nation, its allies (including Israel) or American troops in the region. To the extent that U.S. service members are threatened in Iraq, one must consider the reality of a genuine popular resistance by Iraqis to a brutal and illegitimate occupation. It should also be noted that Iran is primarily interested in securing a stable Iraq in the post-Saddam period, a policy requiring Iran to back the current Iraqi government, a Shiite-dominated government which the United States helped empower and which the United States currently supports. 

The fact that the current Iraqi government is drawn primarily from two political entities (the Da’wa Party and the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq) that are closely allied with the Iranians not only belies the U.S. claim that Iran seeks to undermine security in Iraq (since to accept this proposition one would have to embrace the premise that Iran is fighting itself), but also illustrates the inherent inconsistency of the U.S. position in Iraq, which is to oppose the one regional power which supports the stated U.S. objective of empowering the Shiite-dominated government in Baghdad. The reality is that it is bad U.S. policy, not any concerted action on the part of Iran, which serves as the greatest threat to U.S. forces in the Middle East. 

“WHEREAS, This campaign bears a strong resemblance to that waged during the lead-up to the Iraq War and occupation, with the use of unreliable sources, exaggerated threat assessments, the selective use of information, unsubstantiated accusations about Iran’s nuclear program and its supply of weapons to Iraqi forces as centerpieces of their case to the American people for aggressive action against Iran.”

If the current war in Iraq has taught the American people anything, it is that we can never again have our nation led to war based upon unsubstantiated data, rumor and speculation. Effective congressional oversight could have retarded the Bush propaganda on Iraq, especially concerning the WMD issue and the allegations of ties between Saddam’s regime and al-Qaida. The fact that Congress accepted, without question, every negative story produced by the Bush administration, and that the product of this abrogation of constitutional mandate was parroted as fact by a too-compliant media, should serve as a wake-up call that past patterns of behavior are repeating themselves today, this time in the case of Iran. 

If one replaces Ahmed Chalabi and the Iraqi National Congress with Alireza Jafazadeh and the Mujahedeen Khalq, and “Curveball” (the disgraced INC-planted intelligence source cited by then-Secretary of State Colin Powell in his infamous February 2003 presentation before the U.N. Security Council) with the “magic laptop computer” (provided by the MEK to U.S. intelligence, and cited by the U.S.  as the sole source for many of its claims concerning an ongoing Iranian nuclear weapons program), it is clear that there is much to be suspicious of regarding the Bush administration case against Iran. 

When the United States cites the capture of alleged Iranian “Quds Force” officials as proof of Iranian perfidy inside Iraq, and then releases these same individuals months later, citing a lack of intelligence value and the fact that these prisoners pose no security threat, it becomes clear that the U.S. case against Iran is built primarily upon ideologically motivated smoke and mirrors. The Congress must never again allow itself to be used as a rubber stamp for unnecessary war, but it will act only when pushed to do so by an alarmed and awakened constituency. 

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By prosefights, May 16 at 6:21 pm #
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http://www.prosefights.org/thecanadian/thecanadian.htm

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By prosefights, May 16 at 4:33 pm #
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Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e

Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad.

cheers

http://www.prosefights.org/bakhtiardead/bakhtiardead.htm

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By Rus7355, May 15 at 9:13 pm #
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Ahmadinejad Calls For Israel's Destruction

Ahmadinejad: Israel Is Doomed

Wednesday, May 14, 2008

AP

TEHRAN, Iran —
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Wednesday that Israel is dying and that its 60th anniversary celebrations are an attempt to prevent its “annihilation.”

“The Zionist (Israeli) regime is dying,” said Ahmadinejad during a speech in northern Iran. “The criminals assume that by holding celebrations ... they can save the sinister Zionist regime from death and annihilation.”

Ahmadinejad used an Arabic word, ismihlal, that can also be translated as destruction, death and collapse.

Iran doesn’t recognize Israel, and Ahmadinejad has repeatedly called for Israel’s destruction. Threatening exchanges between Iran and Israel have intensified since 2005, when Ahmadinejad said in a speech that Israel will one day be “wiped off the map.” The Iranian leader has also described the Holocaust as a “myth.”

“Nations of the region hate this criminal fabricated regime (Israel) and will uproot this fabricated regime if the smallest and shortest opportunity is given to them,” Ahmadinejad said Wednesday in an address broadcast live on state television.

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By PatrickHenry, May 16 at 2:32 am #
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Your a parrot.

Zionist regime or Israel which is the quote?

I love how the media and the parrots of media (you) switch words around and misinterpret the farsi spoken to make it the most evil.

“Israel wiped off the map”, this phrase has been so mis-quoted it takes on a whole new meaning than what was actually said.  I just heard McCain this morning parroting it again, even though it is incorrect.

Ahmadinejad is right, we need a entirely new less militant and provocative government in Israel as we do in the U.S.

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By PatrickHenry, May 16 at 2:12 pm #
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Rus7355

“Yes, it’s a common myth to suggest Ahmadinejad was misquoted or taken out of context. But why ignore the context of my post”

The context of your post is a false arguement.

http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/news/rumor-of-the-century/

Alot of Americans are getting tired of the War hype generated by the Zionist Jew media and oracles such as you Rus7355. 

Iran poses less of a threat to America’s security than Israel does.

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By Rus7355, May 16 at 6:00 am #
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Re: Your a parrot.

PartickHenry

When one uses parentheses it denotes the writer, not the quoted, injected a comment.

You may wish to consider why you have seen Ahmadinejad quoted so many times as saying “Israel wiped off the map”.

Yes, it’s a common myth to suggest Ahmadinejad was misquoted or taken out of context. But why ignore the context of my post?

The context was Ahmadinejad quoted, correctly I may add, as saying Israel’s “60th anniversary celebrations are an attempt to prevent its annihilation.” Or “Nations of the region hate this criminal fabricated regime (Israel) and will uproot this fabricated regime if the smallest and shortest opportunity is given to them”

Does it not seem as though Ahmadinejad is calling for, and wishes for, Israel to be “uproot(ed)” and again talked in terms of “annihilation”?

But you you still maintain the President of Iran has been misquoted in 2005?

If you haven’t done it already go back and read Ahmadinejad’s 2005 speech yourself. Not simply what has been reported on some Web site or some media sources. He made himself very clear.

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By evilive, May 15 at 9:37 pm #
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Re: Ahmadinejad Calls For Israel's Destruction

And...?  He’s right you know.  Aside from the Holocaust-denying horse shit which~~{if one is referring to the Nazi Holocaust of Jews, homosexuals, people with birth defects and dissidents, happened 60 years ago}~~ certainly happened and was a precedent for Israeli policy against Arabs today, a lot of what Ahmadinejad said is only a logical lesson learned.  Contrary to Zionist fantasy, the crimes against Palestinians, and Arabs in general, will surely end in a similar destruction to that of the Third Reich.

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By Jonathon, May 14 at 4:45 pm #
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This whole WAR thing...

as just got to stop.  Aren’t we already in TWO of them!?  Our troops are already exhausted, our economy is all smoke and mirrors.  So how can this administration even think of starting another invasion?  Somebody please tell me this isn’t serious. 

By the way that whole resolution thing is just pointless.  Voicing our opinion against anything really is not enough.  When was the last time the elite gave a damn what poor Americans thought?  They’ve done it before and they will do it again.  If they want a war they will have war. 

So WHAT if Iran got a Nuclear warhead!?  Big deal.  Who doesn’t have wmds?  They have no reason to nuke us.  That is unless we invade them which would make it our fault.  We instigate terrorism and war.  We want them to have nuclear weapons.  We might as well just had them one.

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By Non Credo, May 15 at 6:02 am #
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Re: This whole WAR thing...

Jonathan writes: “They have no reason to nuke us.”

Yes, Jonathan, and if our “defense” policy were about defending America, there would be no talk of war with Iran. But our “defense” policy has been hijacked by Israel. Moreover, we are not even “defending” Israel, because there is no threat to Israel.

Publicly, Israeli leaders claim to believe that a nuclear Iran would launch a nuclear first strike against Israel, but privately, the Israelis admit that they don’t believe Iran would do such a suicidal thing.

But an Iran with nuclear weapons would cramp Israel’s imperial style. Israel believes it has a right to an eternal nuclear monopoly in the Middle East, and so we have to go to war against Iran — with catastrophic consequences for the whole world — to preserve Israel’s self-arrogated privilege.

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By cyrena, May 14 at 10:39 pm #
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Re: This whole WAR thing...

You’re right of course Johnathon, but there IS a reason for it, having nothing to do with Iran and nukes of course. It was part of the plan all along. And then too, as Louise mentioned a while back, they’ve got all of these new war toys they’re anxious to play with.

There was a piece I read earlier today, (though I can’t find it right now) with Gates saying pretty much the same thing. He wants them to use all of the new equipment NOW. (he didn’t specifically say to use it on Iran, but the plans are all in the works, and have been for a long time).

Meantime, I don’t think the letter from Conyers is ‘pointless’ but rather a reminder of the way the Constitution is set up, which is of course to remind that it is only CONGRESS that can declare war. Now of course you’re right that stuff like the Constitution doesn’t stop this regime from doing whatever they’ve planned or want to do, but it’s still not a bad idea to educate or re-aquaint the public (that’s us) with the basic concepts of that blueprint for our government that we call a democracy. And, that is that the executive branch can’t just decide to wage a war on Iran without an approval from the Congress.

In reality, the wording of the original ‘permission’ that Congress gave for Iraq, could be taken as continuing ‘permission’ to bomb anybody that Dick Bush wants to claim is involved in ‘terrorism’ and of course he ‘decides’ that.

So, in that respect, the notice from Conyers may not do any good, but I hate to call it pointless, since after more than 7 years, it’s about time for there to be some opposition to the destruction of the Constitution by the fascists in charge.

It isn’t really a resolution though, (at least not if you’re talking about the same thing that I think you are). As far as I know, the fascists aren’t planning to request a resolution from the UN. They didn’t get one to invade Iraq, so I doubt they’d even consider such an effort for Iran. Beides, there’s no time. They have to be into this before Dick Bush leaves office.

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By Non Credo, May 14 at 2:23 pm #
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Iran is completely in the right

Iran has the right to enrich uranium under the NPT. Israel and its slave government, the United States, insist that Iran must not be allowed to enrich uranium for any purpose, ever, period — even in conformity with the NPT, and that preventing this is worth going to war and killing tens of thousands of Iranians.

Moreover, we know through leaks to journalists like Sy Hersh and Phil Giraldi, that the US and Israel have already planned a devastating, massive bombing of Iran — including the illegal US of “small” nuclear weapons — that is not meant merely to destroy nuclear facilities, but to destroy the country’s entire military and modern infrastructure, kill many, many people, and terrorize the Iranian people into submission to Israel’s will. Pure terrorism.

Meanwhile, Israel threatens Iran with nuclear weapons and won’t sign the NPT.  And the US, unlike Iran, IS in violation of the NPT, because of its own weapons development activities.

So even if Iran WERE in violation of the NPT — which it isn’t — the last two countries on earth with any right to accuse Iran are Israel and the US.

Meanwhile, behind closed doors, Israeli officials admit that they know that even if Iran someday did develop nuclear weapons, Iran would not launch a suicidal attack on Israel, as Israel and its American gargoyles publicly pretend to fear.

And it is totally irrelevant that, through the power of France’s own pro-Israel lobby, there is now a government in France which is a bit more in tune than the Chirac regime with the Israeli/American party line on Iran.

This is the situation. Everything Rus7355 has to say on the matter consists of distractions, incidental matters, obfuscations, and outright lies.

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By cyrena, May 14 at 4:07 pm #
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Re: Iran is completely in the right

Non Credo,

I ditto Evillive.

So, I guess I won’t say it again. Well, maybe I could add that the US (and any other nation states obligated to the NPT) are supposed to ASSIST the non-nuclear states in the developement of this technology that can be used for useful civilian purposes.

That’s quite the opposite of threatening to destroy them for attempting to acquire it.

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By Non Credo, May 14 at 4:36 pm #
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Re: Re: Iran is completely in the right

Yes, isn’t it, Cyrena? The crass gall and hypocrisy of the military/Zionist complex is simply beyond description.

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By evilive, May 14 at 3:50 pm #
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Re: Iran is completely in the right

Non Credo, you can say that again.  Nevermind, I will,

“Everything Rus7355 has to say on the matter consists of distractions, incidental matters, obfuscations, and outright lies.”

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By jan dod, May 14 at 11:14 am #
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Strong Evidence That Iran Will Have to get

Although Iran is not considering having it presently, Iran will have to make a decision to have her hands on couple of Nukes after we force them to do it. If Iran still resist, we will increase our threat accordingly. For example by passing say secret information via a third party that if they do acquire some nukeler bombs, we will certainly attack them perhaps using nukeler bombs! As a proof, we will point them Iraq as an example. We will tell if Iraq had nukeler bombs, we would have never dared to attack and destroy it. Once we make them do it, we will have all the excuses we needed convince ourselves to increase our military budget!
They also may think of making a nukeler bomb delivery method since we mistakenly provided them complete blue prints for making it. We wanted to pass them some incorrect blue prints to confuse them and keep them busy for years. The provider unknowingly added the missing information before final delivery!

P.S. I spelled nukeler to be consistent with some scholars!

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By Non Credo, May 14 at 9:16 am #
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As I said, anyone can make any biographical claim here they want, and no one can verify it or refute it.

Therefore, your declaration of not being Jewish, by someone who obviously thinks this will make his pro-Israel propaganda more palatable, should be ignored.

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By prosefights, May 14 at 8:45 am #
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We’re going to ask retired FBI agent Wayne R Gilbert for suggestions

http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/fbifoia/fbifoia.htm #towayne

Dear President Carter:

An unfortunate situation resulting from your administration’s decision by apparently Zibigniew Brzezinski to incite Saddam Hussein to attack Iran in 1980 requires your immediate help to try to resolve peacefully. ..

http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/nsalawsuit/nsalawsu it.htm#carter

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By Rus7355, May 14 at 7:40 am #
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Israel is the problem - not the oil

There is a much deeper context to the Iran-Libya Sanction Act apart from what you read on Counterpunch.

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1996_cr/h960618b.htm

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By Non Credo, May 14 at 8:04 am #
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Re: Israel is the problem - not the

You read the Mearsheimer and Walt book and get back to me, hon.

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By bozhidar bob balkas, May 14 at 7:35 am #
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people who approbate what US does have been rendered semantically blind.
they know so much that isn’t so. and who can blame them for it? it could have hap’d to me. just thinking ab. it scares me.
the history of US is being written by the plutocratic class and not a housewife or hobo. they need not apply for the job.
a caveat anent the word “housewife”. in my usage, the label is not dysphemistic. it means that from childhood on, a housewife is permitted to ‘know’ only so much.
and of what little she knows, 98% may be false to fact.
and i’v been there and done that. i’v watched john waine’s movies; i’v read corporate media; i too thought US was a democracy.
but some 30 yrs ago the devil of my own rescued me from the quagmire.
he tells me all i need to know; and he knows; after all he chums with baal,yahweh, god, and allah.
all four of these idiots were/are semitic.
yahweh must be turning in his grave seeing now ashkenazim being whiter than he.
he’l get even with them, says the devil of my own.  thank u.

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By Non Credo, May 14 at 7:14 am #
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Israel is the problem - not the oil

“The 1996 Iran-Libya Sanction Act, which amounted to a total trade and investment embargo against these two countries, penalized not only Iran and Libya, but also major American oil companies, especially the Conoco oil company that had just signed a $1 billion contract to develop fields in Iran.

“It is no secret that the major force behind the Iran-Libya Sanction Act was the America Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). The success of AIPAC in passing ILSA through both the Congress and the White House over the opposition of the major U.S. oil companies is testament to the fact that, in the context of U.S. policy in the Middle East, even the influence of Big Oil pales vis-ŕ-vis the influence of the pro-Israel lobby

http://counterpunch.org/zadeh05142008.html

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By evilive, May 14 at 7:11 am #
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Russ, you’re “not Jewish” and neither is the majority of power whores.  You are a coward.  You mistake courage for siding with the power.  Your talk of empathy is pure nothing.  There is nothing brave or courageous about buying the propaganda line just in order to feel part of the structure.  You are lacking in fundamental courage and honesty.  You are swimming is fear and hate.  Your willingness to lick power’s boot is picture-perfect proof.  You are a COWARD.  You can’t even begin to consider the sun shining in your face.  “You don’t give a rip, and down to hell you slip.  You squawk and squawk, boy, you lost your grip."--16hp.

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By Rus7355, May 14 at 7:32 am #
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The fear is yours evilive.

The fear you have of my ability to actually put forth a reasoned argument, and pose some real questions, seems to truly make you tremble.

I noted you were unable to make a single reasoned argument so you, as an act of TRUE and PURE cowardice, picked up the stick.

Feel better now?

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By evilive, May 14 at 8:12 am #
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Re: Re:

Russ, you’re free to pretend to think anything you want.  It’s really sad that you assume others are so thick as to take you at your word.  Your cowardice is dangerous, but it is less dangerous as long as you keep busy piping off here.

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By Non Credo, May 14 at 7:22 am #
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Re:

evilive,

Anyone can make any biographical claim here they want, and no one can verify it or refute it.

Therefore, a declaration of not being Jewish, by someone who obviously thinks this will make his pro-Israel propaganda more palatable, should be ignored.

Haven’t we all seen bloggers who write, “Well, I’m a left-handed vegan black lesbian pot smoker who lost both legs serving in Iraq, yet I’m totally against gay marriage and can’t understand why any thinking person would favor it!”?

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By Non Credo, May 14 at 7:10 am #
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Yet another cost of "supporting Israel"

America’s threats of war against Iran are 100% for Israel’s pleasure — and insanely contrary to American interests. This new war hasn’t even started, but it’s already been catastrophically expensive for us:

“Despite all the recent talk of soaring prices at the pump, political and economic pundits rarely mention the impact of war and political instability in the Middle East on the skyrocketing price of oil. There is strong evidence, however, that the heightened price of energy is a direct consequence of the destabilizing wars and geopolitical insecurity in the region.

“These include not only the raging wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but also the threat of a looming war against Iran. The record of soaring oil prices shows that anytime there is a renewed U.S. military threat against Iran, fuel prices move up several notches.”

http://counterpunch.org/zadeh05142008.html

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By Non Credo, May 14 at 7:04 am #
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Rus7355, you are a tireless shill for the Israel lobby. No amount of reason or information will penetrate you, because you’re only here to obstruct and disinform.

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By Rus7355, May 14 at 7:08 am #
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Oh stop. It’s becoming tiresome. Make a reasoned argument or move on.

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By evilive, May 14 at 8:24 am #
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Russ, Jew or goy, you’re a coward.  Your shame is transparent.  Your need to smear it on others is pitiful.

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By Rus7355, May 14 at 6:10 am #
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Stop Coddling Iran/Hezbollah

Some here on TruthDig — fearful of offending non-Westerners — have almost become more like old-time conservatives in their “live and let live” politics and neo-isolationism.

In contrast, some would say conservatives, have gradually drifted away from their past realpolitik and easy détente with illiberal regimes.

Such an about-face did not start with George Bush and his now maligned and mythical neo-con advisers. It was evident earlier with Ronald Reagan. He rejected détente with the Soviet Union and instead championed religious and political dissidents, calling for the end of, not tolerance of, the tyranny of the Soviet “evil empire.”

Your postings, on the other hand, seem to have embraced multiculturalism often in guilt and as a reaction against past purported Western chauvinism. We are not supposed to judge different foreign cultures by imposing our own arbitrary standards of morality.

But the end result of multiculturalism in the real world is an insidious relativism. So you all turn a blind eye to Hamas’ street executions. Israel, a free democracy, with a firm rule of law, individual rights and property, churns your ire.

Some fail to believe in universal absolutes: Some things like authoritarianism are always worse; others like freedom are always better, regardless of cultural differences.

At home in a freewheeling, affluent society, such rigid consistency may seem reactionary, unimaginative and unrealistic. But, abroad, it can translate into something different. Some people in the West, unlike yourselves, have supported such troublemaking champions of individual rights as former Soviet dissident Natan Sharansky or the Somali-born former Dutch legislator Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

Finally, there is the matter of tactics. Some of you here believe more in universal redemption through nonviolence -although Hamas, Hezbollah and Ahmadinejad make it clear they play by much different rules. Evil is not so much innate as it is a result of poverty, prejudice or some sort of perceived oppression - you incorrectly believe from the U.S.. Its antidote then should be education, understanding, dialogue and diplomacy. So don’t give up on an Assad, demonize Islamists or isolate Hamas. Thank God you are a small minority

Most people, like myself, are more likely to believe evil is elemental, so combating and isolating it is the necessary first step in protecting the weaker from harm. Not by protecting and “understanding” the tyrant.

Who, then, condemns religious fanaticism, terrorists and their illiberal state supporters in the Middle East? Not necessarily, as we would expect, contemporary liberals. Instead, they now more often rail about the Patriot Act at home than the jailing or killing of innocents in places like Iran, Damascus and Gaza.

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By evilive, May 14 at 6:37 am #
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Re: Stop Coddling Iran/Hezbollah

Russ, take a moment, not spewing, and recognize your sentiments as received.  Not from honest observation, but from brutal tradition.  You are not naturally consigned to the depths of idiocy, you simply never took the time to exercise your independence of mind.  You are as capable as almost anybody of growing up and realizing that Jews are as subject to human failings as anybody.  They just tend to coddle an infantile sense of entitlement.  If you had any interest in a better future you would knock off the retarded recitations, and grow the fuck up.  It may well be too late for your elders, but where did that sense of teaching go?  They obviously had it.  Are you simply a recepticle container?  Have you no original insights or reciprocations to share with them?  You poor little victim.  Grow up and take an honest look around.  It can only do you good, and maybe clear out your cob-webbed heart and mind.

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By Rus7355, May 14 at 7:06 am #
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Re: Re: Stop Coddling Iran/Hezbollah

Please, evilive, stop stomping your feet like a petulant child. Stop attacking people simply because they do not think like or agree with you.

I hold a differnt point of view. So make your reasoned point and stop trying to belittle all who do not see things your way. Your point gets lost when you do that.

What, please explain, is this blinding hatred you all feel toward Israel? Is it not true that hatred blinds the mind?

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By Non Credo, May 14 at 6:29 am #
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Re: Stop Coddling Iran/Hezbollah

Before the United States should (if ever) violently intervene to stop “evil” (like the jailing of innocents, for example) in Iran or wherever, the US should stop actively aiding and abetting evil — especially in Israel/Palestine, where we religiously support evil.

If we won’t take this first stop, of ceasing active support of evil, we certainly have no business intervening to stop those evils that we don’t already actually support and condone.

(But also notice that, for people like Rus7355, the list of places where we need most urgently to intervene violently, to stop “evil,” looks exactly like a list of countries on Israel’s Likud party hit list of countries inconvenient to Israel’s expansionist, supremacist goals.)

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By Rus7355, May 14 at 6:58 am #
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Re: Re: Stop Coddling Iran/Hezbollah

So the evil of a free and open Israel, with free elections -whereas Arabs have an equal vote- the right to practice their religion, the rule of law, individual rights of property trumps that of Hamas? A group that allows no decent, who have members who do not believe in the education of woman, who’s very charter calls for the destruction of an entire nation of humans? You honestly support the destruction of Israel with your tacit approval of Hamas?

What is this terrible hatred of Israel you hold? How are you so able and willing to ignore the equal injustices from both sides and put all your focus on only one? I ask this in the most sincere fashion. I simply do not understand.

I support the Palestinians and their right to exist. I support their right of free expression and self governance. But you seem to deny the same for Israel. I just can’t seem to wrap my mind around this hatred you hold for an entire nation of humans.

I am not Jewish. And I hold no real hatred for anyone. So tell me, honestly, and I mean no disrespect, do you consider yourself an anti-Semite? Do you honestly believe the injustices come from only one side? And how would you personally feel if you were surrounded by enemies on all sides calling for your total destruction?

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By bozhidar bob balkas, May 14 at 4:55 am #
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as far as i know american people r just like any other people.
i cannot hold them responsible for what their despots do.
can i flog a blind horse for eating some dung along weeds, and some hay? no, of course, not.
amers, canadians, russians, french, et al have been eating dung/weeds/hay for millennia.
so, why flog the serfs?
yes, folks i was once like that but thank the devil of my own, i’m no longer anyone’s intellectual slave.

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By cyrena, May 14 at 12:32 am #
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Conyers Mounts Opposition to Iran Attack

I’ve copied this from the Truthout site to share on this thread, since it couldn’t be more appropriate.

I’m sharing with my local organizations as well, including those that have been committed to the impeachment of Richard B. Cheney. (nope, we haven’t given up). The full letter is contained at the link.

~Editor’s Note: Although this document, authored by House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers, Jr., contains a direct appeal for political action
we feel it is nonetheless striking. It is news unto itself. As such we offer it as news. ma/TO~

From: The office of House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers, Jr.
May 8, 2008

Join Me in Calling on President Bush to Respect Congress’ Exclusive Power to
Declare War

Dear Democratic Colleague:

As we mark five years of war in Iraq, I have become increasingly concerned that the President may possibly take unilateral, preemptive military action against Iran. During the last seven years, the Bush Administration has exercised unprecedented assertions of Executive Branch power and shown an unparalleled aversion to the checks and balances put in place by the Constitution’s framers. The letter that follows asks President Bush to seek congressional authorization before launching any possible military strike against Iran and affirms Senator Biden’s statement last year that impeachment proceedings should be considered if the President fails to do so.

I hope that you will join me in calling on the President to respect Congress’
exclusive power to declare war. To sign the letter below, please contact the Judiciary Committee staff at 225-3951.

Sincerely,
John Conyers, Jr.
Chairman

The letter and all appropriate citations is at the link below.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051308A.shtml

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By evilive, May 14 at 5:53 am #
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Re: Conyers Mounts Opposition to Iran Attack

Thank you Cyrena.  Count me in!

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By Non Credo, May 14 at 5:24 am #
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Re: Conyers Mounts Opposition to Iran Attack

We’ll see about this. Conyers has disappointed us before, you know.

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By cyrena, May 14 at 11:35 am #
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Re: Re: Conyers Mounts Opposition to Iran Attack

I must acknowledge that Conyers has disappointed before. Can’t deny it. And, I’m not certain of all the reasons. But, I’m willing to pay attention to this latest effort, if for no other reason than the fact that it IS one.

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By fidelio, May 13 at 8:30 pm #
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pushing to war

What trouble me more than evreything is the fact that no one from the people whom wanted or pushed,wrote for it,ensured the world that they knew the truth,and made the invasion of Irak,no one of them was punished and even almost no one exprimed any regret.In such conditions,namely Irak’s invasion is a fact without any importance,the same people who push for war then,make this again.For what have to be punished ms.Ahmadinejad?Because he said,differently of how was translated,that the sionist regime should go.Yes,many people think so like Tony Caron,for instance or Illan Pappe,or even Avraham Burg.Nevertheless they didn’t become evil just Ahmadinejad did.In brief the actual “logic” demands american intervention in Iran because a"threatening sentence” but not a punishment is considered neccessary for a criminal war in Irak ,nor for the makers, neither for the pushers

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By Non Credo, May 14 at 6:40 am #
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Re: pushing to war

The problem is that the crimes are so huge, and they implicate so many people — and many of them are very frightening and powerful people.

I think that deep down, there seems to be a general feeling in America that a serious attempt to bring all concerned to justice could result in a breakdown of American society and government. There could be a full-scale rebellion or a civil war, perhaps leading to martial law and a brutal suspension of constitutional liberties, canceling of elections, etc.

The people who lied us into these wars (and still control the government and military) are just so scary, we are paralyzed. What would they do to us if they really thought we were going to make them pay for what they have done? They are extremely powerful and ruthless.

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By PatrickHenry, May 14 at 1:36 pm #
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Re: Re: pushing to war

The tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of patriots from time to time....

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By evilive, May 13 at 8:00 pm #
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How 'bout them Jags?

Cyrena, you are so right. I am losing my sense of wonder, because the pro-zionist position is dried in a fucked-up concrete.  We’re dealing with fanatics who put abstractions (flags, domination, revenge, borders (but only if they draw the line), Jewishness, Israelism, zionism, ownership,etc., over real people, honest cooperation, common interests, Earth…
The fucking Israeli power structure is fascinated by the Christian adoration of suffering, and they are determined, as always, to suck power’s cock.  David would vomit in their skull caps.  But, never mind, there are fascist boots to lick.  Screw the children.

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By Rus7355, May 13 at 5:42 pm #
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WOW Folks

The name calling and attempts to belittle anyone who disagrees here is just appalling. And you people believe you are the open minded of the world? The enlightened and educated? The nonjudgmental and compassionate? The all inclusive? WOW!

It’s little wonder I rarely see a dissenting opinion in these posts. Some of you people are not interested in anything unlike yourselves.

I am truly amazed and appalled by some people on this “progressive” outlet. This is how you treat people with whom you disagree?

Again, WOW!

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By Rus7355, May 14 at 6:35 am #
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Re: WOW Folks

Once again, Cyrena, you illustrate my point so very well. It seems I can always count on you to back me up....LOL

Why not think for a brief time before you post. I am a “troll” (which, it seems, you don’t understand the actual meaning) and an agitator because I dare to simply disagree with YOU? You have zero tolerance for anyone who may have a well reasoned thought unlike your own? Does that not fit the very definition of a closed minded bigot, hate monger and war monger? You tell me. Look up the word bigot and get back to us on how “open minded” you are.  Better yet let me help you out.

Bigot: “a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion”.

Yes, I’m sure you’ve seen my type before. We think for ourselves. We don’t hide in a dark little place surrounded with only like minded people. Scary, isn’t it?

Ask yourself; why do you fear me so very much? You appear steeped by fear and hatred of anything unlike yourself.

--
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don’t matter and those who matter don’t mind.  - Dr. Seuss

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By Expat, May 14 at 5:25 am #
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Re: WOW Folks

Bye, bye and don’t keep in touch.

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By Rus7355, May 14 at 8:05 am #
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Re: Re: WOW Folks

Ex

I noted that you too failed to make a single reasonable argument.

Did you happen to take note of how wrong you were about it being only the U.S. and Israel that is concerned about Iran? How the French President stated very clearly his concerns?

If you do a two minute Google search you’ll find the same concerns from Germany, Britan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, India and several others.

How did you come to believe it’s only the U.S. and Israel concerned about Iran? Nothing could be further from the truth.

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By Non Credo, May 13 at 6:48 pm #
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Re: WOW Folks

Rus7355, you poor devil. You’re like a creationist who’s crashed a meeting of scientists, and you can’t believe that we’re so rude, and so unwilling to be “open-minded” about a lot of ridiculous propaganda with which we are all too familiar.

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By cyrena, May 14 at 4:08 am #
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Re: Re: WOW Folks

You’re full of it russ, and we’ve seen your types before. It’s hardly about somebody ‘stepping into a room’ that is ‘unlike’ we are.

We’ve had tons of trolls and agitators on this site, who can’t get any attention from people in their own literal lives, so they have to resort to being a pain in the ass on forums such as this.

Matter of fact, your language and context are almost verbatim to others that have attempted the same thing. So, don’t flatter yourself that you are any ‘different’ than any of the other trolls that hang around, and don’t count on ‘coaxing anybody out’ since that’s just code for baiting people with all of your stupid stuff.

And, it IS stupid, and so are you, just because you have no clue to how transparent you are.

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By Rus7355, May 14 at 3:25 am #
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Re: Re: WOW Folks

LOL.....In other words; when someone steps into the room who may be different than yourselves it frightens you all. You pick up rocks and sticks in your defense, not your actual thought processes, so that you can feel secure. You feel better surrounding yourselves with only the like minded, shunning everyone else, so you can feel better about yourselves. You can pat each other on the back about how smart you feel. And by never feeling challenged you can remain where you are and never really venture out of your little rooms? That’s your best argument? .......LOL

I’ll keep posting and, perhaps, coax you out a little. Maybe shed some light on the darkness of hatred of others unlike yourselves.

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