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By Eugene Robinson

    WASHINGTON—From the beginning, Hillary Clinton has campaigned as if the Democratic nomination were hers by divine right. That’s why she is falling short—and that’s why she should be persuaded to quit now, rather than later, before her majestic sense of entitlement splits the party along racial lines.

    If that sounds harsh, look at the argument she made Wednesday, in an interview with USA Today, as to why she should be the nominee instead of Barack Obama. She cited an Associated Press article “that found how Senator Obama’s support ... among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again. I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on.”

    As a statement of fact, that’s debatable at best. As a rationale for why Democratic Party superdelegates should pick her over Obama, it’s a slap in the face to the party’s most loyal constituency—African-Americans—and a repudiation of principles the party claims to stand for. Here’s what she’s really saying to party leaders: There’s no way that white people are going to vote for the black guy. Come November, you’ll be sorry.

    How silly of me. I thought the Democratic Party believed in a colorblind America.

    In private conversations last year, several of Clinton’s high-profile African-American supporters made that same argument to me—that America wasn’t “ready” for a black president, that this simple fact doomed Obama to failure, that a Clinton Restoration was the best result that African-Americans could realistically hope for. Polls at the time showed Clinton leading Obama among black voters, a finding that reflected not only Clinton’s greater name recognition but also considerable skepticism about a black candidate’s ability to draw white support.

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    Obama did prove he could win support from whites, of course, beginning in Iowa. He and Clinton effectively divided the party into demographic constituencies. Among the groups that have tended to vote for Clinton are white voters making less than $50,000 a year; among those who have turned out to vote for Obama are African-Americans, whose doubts about his prospects clearly have been allayed.

    Assuming that Obama is the eventual nominee, he will have some work to do in reuniting the party. But there’s no reason to think he won’t succeed—unless Clinton drives a wedge between important elements of the party’s historical coalition.

    Lower-income white Democrats may well defect to John McCain in the fall if Obama is the nominee, Clinton is arguing, whereas African-Americans—who have been choosing Obama by 9 to 1—are going to vote for the Democratic nominee no matter what. Thus, she claims, she can better knit the party back together.

    Let’s examine those premises. These are white Democrats we’re talking about, voters who generally share the party’s philosophy. So why would these Democrats refuse to vote for a nominee running on Democratic principles against a self-described conservative Republican? The answer, which Clinton implies but doesn’t quite come out and say, is that Obama is black—and that white people who are not wealthy are irredeemably racist.

    The other notion—that Clinton could position herself as some kind of Great White Hope and still expect African-American voters to give her their enthusiastic support in the fall—is just nuts. Obama has already won more Democratic primary contests; within a couple of weeks, he almost certainly will have won more pledged convention delegates and more of the popular vote as well. Only in Camp Clinton does anyone believe that his supporters will be happy if party leaders tell him, in effect, “Nice job, kid, but we can’t give you the nomination because, well, you’re black. White people might not like that.”

    Clinton’s sin isn’t racism, it’s arrogance. From the beginning, the Clinton campaign has refused to consider the possibility that Obama’s success was more than a fad. This was supposed to be Clinton’s year, and if Obama was winning primaries, there had to be some reason that had nothing to do with merit. It was because he was black, or because he had better slogans, or because he was a better public speaker, or because he was the media’s darling. This new business about white voters is just the latest story the Clinton campaign is telling itself about the usurper named Obama.

    “It’s still early,” Clinton said Wednesday, vowing to fight on. At some level, she seems to believe the nomination is hers. Somebody had better tell her the truth before she burns the house down.   

    Eugene Robinson’s e-mail address is eugenerobinson(at)washpost.com.   

    © 2008, Washington Post Writers Group


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By thebeerdoctor, May 14, 2008 at 7:34 am Link to this comment

Anyone who resorts to name misidentification can not be taken seriously.

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By Rhino, May 14, 2008 at 12:42 am Link to this comment
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You have blinders on when you say that one has baggage and the other doesn’t. I think you should read some of the other posts here. 

>>Where does she get the idea that America is more willing to accept a woman as president than a black?<<

As you said, she certainly would be facing an up hill battle in the fall because her opponents will be at her like hyenas. That is why they are trying every measure to get her out of the race now. They know they can defeat Obama but they have doubts about Hillary. In that sense a vote for Obama is a vote for McCain and a vote for McCain=Bush. We reap what we sow.

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By Rhino, May 14, 2008 at 12:14 am Link to this comment
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>>Leefeller, May 10 at 5:56 am We will see much more of this kind of bigot posting and bringing up the same old simpleton sound-bites to make their pointless point.  Yes, Obama is a moslem too!<<

When all else fails resort to simpleton sound-bites and pointless points of name calling.

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By Rhino, May 13, 2008 at 11:59 pm Link to this comment
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The commodity trade was investigated to satisfaction. People make money in the stocks and commodities of companies in which employees make far less. However, those employees can also invest.

As far as I know it isn’t ilegal to be a board member and if that makes a person more desirable as a recipient of donations, so be it. Lloyd Bridges was once asked if he believed in nepotism. He said charity begins at home. I don’t think favoritism is necessarily a bad thing. I don’t mind extending a favor or receiving one as long as it’s not illegal.  It’s sort of symbiotic.

I didn’t know Iran had been obliterated. I thought it was still there.

The people starve while the dictator and friends feast in their palaces sanctions or not.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html

” so long as Iraq remains out of compliance, we will work with the international community to maintain and enforce economic sanctions. Sanctions have cost Saddam more than $120 billion—resources that would have been used to rebuild his military. The sanctions system allows Iraq to sell oil for food, for medicine, for other humanitarian supplies for the Iraqi people.

We have no quarrel with them. But without the sanctions, we would see the oil-for-food program become oil-for-tanks, resulting in a greater threat to Iraq’s neighbors and less food for its people.”

You Republicans are certainly working hard to get Obama elected as the Democratic candidate.

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By Rhino, May 13, 2008 at 10:47 pm Link to this comment
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The Hillary campaign did not throw the kitchen sink at Obama as you put it. They could not bring out questionable things about Obama because it would have been self defeating to do so. What information that came out about Obama was from supporters, not the campaign. The Republicans have nothing to lose. They know they can defeat Obama and you ain’t seen nothing yet. That is why they want Hillary out of the race.

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By Rhino, May 13, 2008 at 10:34 pm Link to this comment
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Ehrenreich seems to be speaking of another persons rantings that do not have citations, dates, or collaborators. I think you tranpose, you have the names mixed up. Try this one http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Skull_Bones.htm

Commodity trades are for trading. It was investigated wasn’t it.

If Walmart gave to the Hillary cammpaign then I guess they like her now as well as when she served on the board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_F._Paul
“Paul’s claims have not found traction. An audit by the Federal Elections Commission found that neither Senator Clinton nor her Senate campaign had accepted any illegal funds in connection with the Hollywood fundraiser[40], though the campaign was asked to pay $35,000 in fines for having underreported the cost of the party.[41] Paul’s suit against the FEC was thrown out; his attempt to bring ethics charges against Clinton were rejected,[42] and his fraud charges against Senator Clinton were tossed out in April 2006.[43] Paul continued to press civil charges against Senator Clinton and former President Clinton for “looting”[44] his business, but the courts refused to allow him to sue Senator Clinton, with the appellate court specifying that her behavior had been “perfectly legal,” and allowing her to recoup her legal fees from Paul.[40^ a b “Court says Hillary Clinton shouldn’t be defendant in lawsuit,” Greg Risling, Associated Press, October 16, 2007

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By AJ Franklin, May 13, 2008 at 6:55 pm Link to this comment
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You may hate Hillary but her supporters will remember that when it comes time to vote—and put McWar in the White House. Think about coming together and getting over your hatred of the last successful Democrat in the White House.

Your victory in killing off Hillary will come back to haunt you when we all vote for John McWar…and believe you-me, we will not vote for Osama Obama with a bad taste from the primary stuck in our throats.

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By Eric L Prentis, May 12, 2008 at 9:20 am Link to this comment
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Sen. Clinton cannot see that her Democratic nomination is a lost cause because she is in the first stage of grief, denial. Pity Bill Clinton and those around her when she gets to stage two, anger, it will not be a pretty sight.

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By Sang Ze, May 11, 2008 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment
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In my neck of the woods, we calls people like Hillary “sore losers.” She had ample opportunity to provide leadership, but gave us instead more of the same old, same old . . . . She made it clear through the sleaziness of her campaign that she considers the Democratic Party hers, and hers alone. If she can’t have it, she’ll make sure no one else can. A great pity. She represents unfulfilled promise.

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By suzi ittle, May 11, 2008 at 8:32 am Link to this comment
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Not only did Obama not block the revote, he has consistantly worked for a fair settlement. Recently the Michigan Dems proposed that a fair settlement based on the “primary” would be to give Clinton 69 delegates for the 60% she won and Obama 59 delegates for the “uncommitted” votes. The votes for other specified candidates would not go to either. Clinton rejected this plan. Obama accepted it. And I thought she wanted every vote to count. I guess she just wants the votes for her to count.

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By Leefeller, May 11, 2008 at 8:00 am Link to this comment

Hillary threw the kitchen sink at Obama, but she never attacked him with the truth, so now the truth will come out, well it is about time.

Using the word truth with politicians is a joke, some were in front of integrity and honesty.

So now we will learn the truth from the Republicans. Thanks George you made the laugh of the day.

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By Conservative Yankee, May 11, 2008 at 6:23 am Link to this comment
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For general information, U.S. Military Hospitals, Bases, Embassies,  and PROTECTORATES, (Guam, Puerto Rico, Baker Island, American Samoa, Wake Island, Palmyra Atoll, Navassa Island, Midway Islands, Kingman Reef, and there is some loose connection with the Mariana Islands.  When John McCain was born, the “Canal zone” was included.  Folks entering the Incorporated United States from these places are processed through port security as “returning citizens” not immigrants. The Philippians were once a US protectorate, and a person still living in those islands, born when they were under US protection, and maintaining his/her US citizenship, would be eligible to run for the presidency, one of the few US offices barred to immigrants such as Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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By thebeerdoctor, May 11, 2008 at 6:14 am Link to this comment

Lee, it might be wise to cease crying for the Clinton crime family. They have socked away millions to ease their pain. Ah! If only I had such a remedy.

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By thebeerdoctor, May 11, 2008 at 5:54 am Link to this comment

liberalwhiteboy, after examining your link, my advice to you is to take a stress pill and think things over.

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By thebeerdoctor, May 11, 2008 at 5:33 am Link to this comment

I have heard that a rhino does not have very good eyesight. The past administration was not at peace, or perhaps you do not remember the bombings in Kosovo? Of for that matter, the weekly bombings in Iraq? That was cleverly called the “no fly zone” mission. And even though this has been said ad nauseam, it needs to be repeated: the at least, half million Iraqi children who died due to the US enforced embargo that prohibited even penicillin from being imported.
It should also be noted that more black men went to prison under the Clinton administration than any other. The economic prosperity spoken of with such fond remembrance, was certainly true of those who flipped stocks during the dot com bubble, such as chief Clinton crime family money man Terry McAuliffe, who turned a one hundred thousand dollar investment in Global Crossing into 18 million dollars, getting out with the money before it was revealed that the company was a fiber optic fraud.

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By jackpine savage, May 11, 2008 at 4:58 am Link to this comment

Obama didn’t block revote efforts in Michigan.  The State Supreme Court and the State Senate blocked revote efforts in Michigan.  Going through the voter rolls to decide who could, and who could not, revote was declared unconstitutional.

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By cyrena, May 11, 2008 at 1:16 am Link to this comment

Outraged, you are the best researcher I know. Seriously..I so much look forward to these posts, always overflowing with such goodies.(I love Ehrenreich).

Yep. I swear I feel ‘blessed’ or something. smile

My usual thanks.

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By Outraged, May 10, 2008 at 11:53 pm Link to this comment

Re: George, May 10

What’s the matter..?  You don’t like the LOSER your with?  Sleazy…?  Clinton invented the concept.

“Sean Hannity has called Obama’s church a “cult,” but that term applies far more aptly to Clinton’s “Family,” which is organized into “cells”—their term—and operates sex-segregated group homes for young people in northern Virginia…..

....The Family’s most visible activity is its blandly innocuous National Prayer Breakfast, held every February in Washington. But almost all its real work goes on behind the scenes—knitting together international networks of right-wing leaders, most of them ostensibly Christian. In the 1940s, The Family reached out to former and not-so-former Nazis, and its fascination with that exemplary leader, Adolf Hitler, has continued, along with ties to a whole bestiary of murderous thugs. As Sharlet reported in Harper’s in 2003”

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehrenreich

“A tangled web of relations links the Stephens Group and Delta & Pine Land of Scott, Mississippi with another satellite in the agribusiness orbit of the influential Stephens Group. The Stephens Group is also linked intimately with Arkansas-based Tyson Foods, the US’ largest agribusiness processor of industrialized chicken meat, and arguably one of its most unsanitary ones….”

Mrs. Clinton, now a partner at the Rose Firm, begins a series of commodities trades under the guidance of Tyson Foods executive Jim Blair, earning nearly $100,000. (author’s emphasis). The trades are not revealed until March 1994.

November: Bill Clinton is elected Governor of Arkansas.

The Rose law firm was the house law firm of Jackson Stephens’ Stephens Group investment bank in Little Rock. To be the corporate law firm of the Stephens Group was no casual affair. It implied a deep trust relationship and perhaps more. As one crony of Jackson Stephens put it at that time, ‘Jackson Stephens? He’s the man who owns Arkansas.’

The head of the prestigious Rose law firm in Little Rock in those days was C. Joseph Giroir jr. In 1977 Giroir hired a young lawyer named Hillary Clinton to work for Rose. It was all one cozy Arkansas-Indonesia family back then.”

That land deal was focus of Congressional investigation of the Clintons. McDougal was loaned the money for the purchase by Tyson Foods counsel Jim Blair, the long-time Clinton friend and commodities adviser who in 1978 had ‘tutored’ Hillary in her fabulously successful commodities speculation. The loan by Tyson’s Jim Blair to McDougal was never repaid.

No sooner did Bill and Hillary Clinton move into the White House, and the Tyson Foods-approved Mike Espy took over as US Secretary of Agriculture, than Hillary’s former law partner, Joseph Giroir, set up a corporation”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3082

“Sen. Hillary Clinton is the favored recipient of campaign money from Wal-Mart executives, where she once served on the board of directors.

Officers and directors of the retail giant have given more money to presidential candidates in this race than in the previous two election cycles combined, according to Federal Election Commission filings.

More than one-third of the at least $33,700 donated by Wal-Mart officers and directors for the presidential race has gone to Clinton, D-N.Y.”

http://www.nwaonline.net/articles/2008/03/01/news/030208dcwalmartclinton.txt

“The full five-minute videotape touted as “smoking gun evidence” of two felonies committed by Sen. Hillary Clinton for viewing here. In the tape, Clinton is heard via speakerphone thanking Paul, business partner Stan Lee and other colleagues for their efforts in putting together the fundraiser.

http://smashedfrog.blogspot.com/2008/01/peter-paul-and-hillary-clinton.html

Face the facts, you’re right wing and Clinton is there with you.  And that fact… is of NO HELP TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

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By cyrena, May 10, 2008 at 8:12 pm Link to this comment

Beerdoctor,

You either have an incredible amount of patience, or a lot of time on your hands. Just a look at the post was enough to prevent me from going any further to check out the link.

So, what did you really expect? smile

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By yours truly, May 10, 2008 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment
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As Per Aslan The Lion King We Don’t Need To Talk About The Past

“So way too much already about Hillary & Bill Clinton.”

“What should we be discussing instead?”

“What sort of world once we elect a president who’ll end the Iraq War, negotiate with Iran plus turning things around here at home.”

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By George, May 10, 2008 at 6:59 pm Link to this comment
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Clinton keeps running because she knows Obama will be hounded by 527 ads about Rezko and all his sleazy connections. After researching Obama’s Chicago political ties, who he endorsed, his 2nd run for State Senate and how he manipulated the rules to run uncontested, his campaigning in Kenya for his cousin with a shady past and controversial platform, I cannot believe Obama has come this far. This site is titled Truthdig, but like 90% of the media, it has not done its homework. Why? Clinton has, and I feel her frustration, but the Republicans sit with anticipation just waiting for the moment to set loose the 527s. Democrats, we have only ourselves to blame,  we keep searching for that “Kennedy” image in a candidate, fall for superficial and don’t want to know the truth.

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By Redphilly, May 10, 2008 at 3:20 pm Link to this comment
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It is just shameful how the media reporters are saying things like, “She has to wait until maybe something happens in Obama’s life that Clinton can use against him.”  That certainly sounds racist to me.  She is also waiting for someone to take a pot shot at him.  No, God is protecting him. 

Vice-presidency?  I am certain Obama won’t even want to look at her after the things she has said.  She just doesn’t want to lose to a black man. Let’s just tell it like it is.

But if this is taken away from him by devious means, I will not vote for her and I certainly will not vote for the 100 year man.  (Mind you, I didn’t say 100 year old man. I was talking about the war. Don’t put words in my mouth, McCain Camp. That’s what Obama should have told them!). I will just sit at home on election day.

As for McCain, do you know his mother’s maiden name is, of all things, “Wright”?  Remind him of that Obama.

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By mackTN, May 10, 2008 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment

There are a lot of black people who are rather astounded that Obama has gotten this far.  It has nothing to do with his qualifications, but more with the racial legacy of this country and the persistent racial experiences and inequalities that shape many lives.  We interpret the world based on what we learn and experience—anything beyond that is indeed faith—which is required when we feel something is real that we don’t have the actual knowledge to prove is real. 

Rev Wright, like many black Americans, baby boomers, grew up in an era when the civil rights movement was just taking hold, when Jim Crow reigned brutally.  It was like living in a war zone, and recovering from that kind of trauma is not easy. 

So we’ll take the leap of faith.  A reporter, Carole Simpson, pro clinton, doesn’t have faith.  She believes that in the general election, in the privacy of that voting booth, Obama’s white coalition will desert him and he will lose.

We’ll see.

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By mackTN, May 10, 2008 at 2:10 pm Link to this comment

The Clintons can’t really believe that at this point, the superdelegates are going to decide in her favor against Obama.  A decision like that would surely cause irreparable harm.

So what’s the point?  Is it the vice presidency?  These are my constituents and you need them.  I think it is.  I think it’s about her value, defining it, controlling it in exchange for something.

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By Margaret Currey, May 10, 2008 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment
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If it Hilliary it is also McCain, he make a statement that he will be an American President, I am sorry I thought Hawaii was a state and that makes Obama an American who was born on American soil unlike McCain who was born in a Naval Hospital in Panama, he might just eat his words.

On Hillary being president I as a older white American was for her because it would be neat to have a first woman president, but not so, after Bill’s comment about Obama taking the state just like Jesse Jackson, Obama has taken up with the American people much more than Jesse, Jesse never held an office but Obama has had experience in his state legislature and the congress, I don’t really think that being first lady should count as experience because I doubt that she made any policy, and even though she is smart, she should have won Indiana by more than two points, because she has the whole family out compaigning for her.

To complain that Obama wins because he has mroe money, I wonder why he has more money, would it be because he offers something that Hillary does not?

Of course dropping out is not in the future not when there are some states out there, it would be wise if she did but she does not want to give up, makes one wonder if she has some dirt to dig up and if she digs up some dirt will it stick?

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By thebeerdoctor, May 10, 2008 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment

I looked at your link. I read your post. This is a joke right

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By Rhino, May 10, 2008 at 12:22 pm Link to this comment
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Troublesum,

How it it you folks equate black with watermelon and fried chicken? Where did that come from? I have to admit I love fried chicken and watermelon is a sweet, thirst quencher but I wouldn’t want to eat it every day.

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By Rhino, May 10, 2008 at 12:15 pm Link to this comment
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Taylor, I guess people have something against the peace and prosperity of the former administration; a nice surplus, no massive foreclosures, no war, health care. No one is perfect but I would rather go with a known then risk an unknown regardless of how elegantly a person professes. If Hillary was black, or purple it wouldn’t matter to me. She speaks to us and with us. The cover isn’t important, the inside is important. And incidently, she can beat McACain and that is why the republicans want Obama to win the Democratic election. That is why they are trying to kick Hillary out the door but she is demonstrating her strength and endurance and it is her right and responsibility with regard to the no regard of this administration and her intent to reverse the situations. Thanks Taylor.

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By Rhino, May 10, 2008 at 11:24 am Link to this comment
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Cyrena,
I have not ignored you. My comments have not been posted yet. I was raising issues that seriously concern me. Although you branded me a racist, and it seems the present mood here is to kick anyone that has an opposing opinion or concern, race has nothing to do with it. It’s about character, real or contrived. I will check back later. Thank you.

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By Hammo, May 10, 2008 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

The upcoming primaries where the “less-educated white” vote is expected to swing strongly for Hillary may not turn out as expected.

People in W. Virginia and Kentucky might turn out to be more intelligent than many give them credit for.

This is explored in the article:

“Many in West Virginia, Kentucky might ‘kin’ Obama”

AmericanChronicle.com
May 10, 2008
http://americanchronicle.com/articles/61415

and

Joint Recon Study Group blog site
http://jointreconstudygroup.blogspot.com/

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By tyler, May 10, 2008 at 10:46 am Link to this comment
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don’t quite get what it is your goin for there gideon.  why don’t you just give your hands a rest and sit the next one out champ.

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By Rhino, May 10, 2008 at 10:34 am Link to this comment
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Responce to cyrena, May 10 at 12:28 am
Part 1V

8. “Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness.” Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must be able to identify the “talented tenth” of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor’s control.  Those so identified are separated from the rest of the people by:  Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.  Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.  Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of “we” and “they” instead of “us.”  So, while it is permissible to chase “middleclassness” with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method - the psychological entrapment of Black “middleclassness.” If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our “voluntary” contributions to methods A and B. And more importantly, Black people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership, resourcefulness and example of their own talented persons.” 

Books at united Trinity
“Black Theology, Vol. 2”
“Our fight is against racism, capitalism, and imperialism, and we are dedicated to building a socialist society inside the United Sates where the total means of production and distribution are in the hands of the State, and that must be led by black people, by revolutionary blacks who are concerned about the total humanity of this world.” (Foreman 29)

“Black Theology of Liberation: a Critique of Capitalist Civilization”
Cornel West in a second essay, “Black Theology of Liberation: a Critique of Capitalist Civilization,” calls for a shift in black theology to one that recognizes the validity of the Marxist critique of capitalism and the need for a new socialist order. He recognizes Christianity’s prophetic tradition of speaking out against oppression (West 411, vol. 2)

West is not an utopian and recognizes that sin and imperfection will exist, but believes that a revolution, likely an armed struggle, will lead to the establishment of a socialist society that he hopes will combine the best of the Marxist and Christian traditions (West 421-422, vol. 2)

“Womanist Ethics and The Cultural Production of Evil”
Included in the Table of contents
Black Reparations in the United States and
Subject to Empire
“The Debt What America Owes to Blacks”

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By Lee, May 10, 2008 at 10:31 am Link to this comment
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Obama and his supporters are trying to steal this election. Obama blocked efforts to revote in Michigan and Florida. 93% of blacks support Obama, however any comments regarding this fact, or mention of blue collar white workers for Clinton, is met with accusations of racism. Obama has taken the lead by outspending Hillary 2 or 3 to one, and his caucus wins don’t reflect a true lead in popular votes. In addition, early calls for Hillary to drop out show a ploy by Obama to circumvent the democratic process. As a result of all this, the less qualified candidate may end up as our leader ... what a shame.

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By Rhino, May 10, 2008 at 10:21 am Link to this comment
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Response to cyrena, May 10 at 12:28
Part 1111

Excerpts
Black Theology, Vol. 2

“Our fight is against racism, capitalism, and imperialism, and we are dedicated to building a socialist society inside the United Sates where the total means of production and distribution are in the hands of the State, and that must be led by black people, by revolutionary blacks who are concerned about the total humanity of this world.” (Foreman 29)

Cornel West in a second essay, “Black Theology of Liberation: a Critique of Capitalist Civilization,” calls for a shift in black theology to one that recognizes the validity of the Marxist critique of capitalism and the need for a new socialist order. He recognizes Christianity’s prophetic tradition of speaking out against oppression (West 411, vol.

2) and notes Christianity’s focus on self fulfilment, a concept that is incompatible with any form of discrimination (West 420, vol. 2).

West is not an utopian and recognizes that sin and imperfection will exist, but believes that a revolution, likely an armed struggle, will lead to the establishment of a socialist society that he hopes will combine the best of the Marxist and Christian traditions (West 421-422, vol. 2)

At <http://www.tucc.org/africa_ministry.htm> scroll the the ministry sect, are books/ teachings promoted by the church such as “The Debt” by Randall Robinson and “Race Matters” on inequities.

The Prison Ministries is still listed regarding service ” in the interest of our community, which is disproportionately impacted by the incarceration epidemic.”
 
<http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html> although there is reference to-  3. “Committment to the Black Family. The Black family circle must generate strength, stability and love, despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society” and

4. “Dedication to the Pursuit of Education. We must forswear anti-intellectualism. Continued survival demands that each Black person be developed to the utmost of his/her mental potential despite the inadequacies of the formal education process. “Real education” fosters understanding of ourselves as well as every aspect of our environment. Also, it develops within us the ability to fashion concepts and tools for better utilization of our resources, and more effective solutions to our problems. Since the majority of Blacks have been denied such learning, Black Education must include elements that produce high school graduates with marketable skills, a trade or qualifications for apprenticeships, or proper preparation for college.”

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By Conservative Yankee, May 10, 2008 at 10:17 am Link to this comment
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BUT it’s a slow saturday.

Hill the business shill who with her husband collected a 110 million dollar personal fortune on the backs of folks who make far less, The couple of the Tyson Chicken advocacy, the Walmart board member, the obliterater of Iran, the wife of a president who killed (by commission) close to 250,000 Iraqi children while she remained silent.

Yeap sounds like Jesus.

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By Rhino, May 10, 2008 at 10:07 am Link to this comment
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Reponse to cyrena of May 10 at 12:28 am Part 111

“The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.”

There again is the reference to liberation, restoration and enconomic parity.
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>>About the UCC

>>Intelligent dialogue and a strong independent streak sometimes cause the United Church of Christ (UCC) and its 1.4 million members to be called a “heady and exasperating mix.” The UCC tends to be a mostly progressive denomination that unabashedly engages heart and mind. And yet, the UCC somehow manages to balance congregational autonomy with a strong commitment to unity among its nearly 6,000 congregations—despite wide differences among many local congregations on a variety of issues.<<

Again you are refering to the to the UCC and not particularly to the United Trinity Church of Christ.
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>>http://www.ucc.org/about-us/<<

>>Here’s more on the specific congregation at Trinity. <<

>>http://www.tucc.org <<

>>And then, if you’d like even more insight into the concepts that provide for the Black Liberation Theology, you can check out this piece on NPR<<

>>http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=8 8552254<<

I twice received the message, twice, that the page could not be found.

>>Once again, there ARE hate groups in America. This church isn’t one of them. Your own comment here should be thrown in the garbage pit of racist hate propaganda.<<

I do not want to go back to the race wars of the sixties. Been there, done that. I hope that most of us want to move forward not to stay mired in hatred, and vengeance and the following comments indicate that some are mired. I think my fears are very legitimate.

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By cyrena, May 10 at 12:28 am #

Re: Rising above Race
Response to cyrena Part 1

Actually Rhino,

>>The organization that you’ve chosen to reference as a ‘hate group’ is actually a Church, and a very long established body at that. It is the United Church of Christ. The racial composition of its 1.4 million members and more than 6,000 congregations includes ALL races, but is 97% Anglo Saxon. Or, you might call it Caucasian, or in your case, you probably just refer to it as, ‘white like you’.<<

I didn’t think in terms of white or black, but since you mention it, I don’t have to be white to vote for Hillary Clinton. Apparently you are refering to the entire group of United Churches of Christ. I am refering specifically to the United Trinity Church of Christ, the rantings of Reverend Wright.
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>>So, that makes your comment sort of on the order of a comment that some WHITE RACIST HATE GROUP member might say, and a pretty ignorant one at that.<<

No, my comment is based on the thorough reading of the church site and it’s promotions before the Reverend Wright rants were ever aired. An ignorant racist makes derogatory comments through their own inadequacies and, or as a hate monger for the selfish gain of money, power and control.
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By Apostle Gideon, May 10, 2008 at 7:41 am Link to this comment

Jesus said,“The road is narrow and few will find it.” So, in America campaigning by divine right, is almost reliably going to get you voted down. Satan slaves in Amercia clearly outnumber, those who walk the narrow road, to the narrow gate.

Also, the more Hillary Clinton stands centered on the narrow road, the way Christ would, the more she gets publicly crucified. Making her a brave woman, however, unlikely to be selected in a popular election, by the Satan slave, American; majority.

Check out my blogs:
http://benevolentlybeloved.com

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By Homer Hewitt, May 10, 2008 at 7:34 am Link to this comment
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related fake news


DON KING SIGNS HILLARY CLINTON TO FIGHT CONTRACT

At a press conference in New York today, fight promoter Don King announced that he had signed Senator Hillary Clinton to a three-year contract for a minimum of four headliner prize fights.

Questioned by reporters about this unprecedented signing, Mr. King declared that Senator Clinton is undoubtedly the strongest, most indomitable fighter in America today. She had been on the ropes and has come back many times. And she has that showtime spirit, like Ali, crowing often about what a remarkable fighter she is.

King claimed that Clinton has a quality shared by few other fighters, she will never give up or stop fighting. Mrs. Clinton will never even acknowledge that she is far behind on points, or even knocked out.

In scheduling fights, Mr. King notes that he will, in deference to her age, postpone contests with the likes of Laila Ali or Jacqui Frazier Lyde. He plans to find a way to have fights with the daughters of champions like Jack Dempsey or John L. Sullivan. Even with fighters as strong as Clinton, it is important to keep her from losing her bearings.

homer   http://www.altara.blogspot.com

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By Leefeller, May 10, 2008 at 7:08 am Link to this comment

Asking for the impossible, of bigots and opportunists.  If Hillary really cared about the party and country, she would have gracefully stepped down, this is not her way.  Healing from her and her surrogates, will be very much like asking us to accept Bush as a good leader who truly cares about this country. 

In the end these people seem to be opportunists and hucksters who take what they can and everyone else be damned.

Some people believe Hillary and her agenda is to destroy the Dems. , it looks like she has been trying very hard.

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By Leefeller, May 10, 2008 at 6:58 am Link to this comment

Above post was supposed to be on the Rhino post below.

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By Leefeller, May 10, 2008 at 6:56 am Link to this comment

We will see much more of this kind of bigot posting and bringing up the same old simpleton sound-bites to make their pointless point.  Yes, Obama is a moslem too!

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By collea-devi, May 10, 2008 at 6:24 am Link to this comment
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What legislators have to say:

    We are writing to you because of our shared belief in our Party’s principles and our commitment to ensuring that we have the strongest possible nominee to lead our ticket against John McCain and the Republicans in November.
  The decision about who to support to be our Party’s nominee is not one that any of us should take lightly. We haven’t. But, after giving this important decision a great deal of thought, we are convinced that Hillary Clinton has the vision, skills and commitment to make the changes our country needs. As Democrats who have run and won in competitive Congressional districts and battleground states, we believe that Hillary is best positioned to successfully lead the Democratic ticket in districts and states like ours around the country.
    As you know, Hillary has racked up victories in bellwether states like Ohio , Pennsylvania and now Indiana that are absolutely vital to winning the White House and maintaining our Congressional majority in the fall. Hillary has won the big battleground states by connecting with voters whose support we must have to win the general election. Her victories in Pennsylvania and Indiana were all the more impressive after being outspent by as much as two or three to one.
    Pennsylvania was not just a victory for Hillary Clinton. It was also a wake- up call for superdelegates, forcing us to ask ourselves two essential questions: 1) Which candidate can carry the magic 270 electoral votes to win in the fall? 2) Which candidate is most likely to help our fellow Democrats in down-ballot races? We believe the answer to both of these questions is Hillary Clinton.
    On the first question, Hillary has shown she can win the all-important battleground states like Ohio , Pennsylvania and Florida even while being outspent. This speaks to her ability to connect with voters we must deliver in the fall, including blue collar Democrats who can sway this election as they have in the past.
    On the second question, Hillary has won rural and suburban districts which we as Democrats must carry to maintain our edge in Congress. Of the fifteen districts rated “toss up” by the Cook Political Report, Hillary has now won ten. Of the 20 districts we picked up in 2006 that had gone for President Bush just two years before, Hillary has now won 16. She is strong in the places we must win to hold and expand our majority.
    This is a historically close race. The candidates are separated by a mere percentage point or two and the path to victory for each candidate is the same: win in the upcoming states and secure enough pledged and automatic delegates to get to the number required to win the nomination.
    The race now turns to the remaining six contests where the focus will be squarely on the economy. Voters in our states and across the country are voting on issues that affect them, their communities and their children’s future. We believe that they will decide that Hillary is the candidate who best understands those issues and has the best solutions to address them.
  We Democrats are justifiably proud of both of our candidates, and if Senator Obama is our Party’s nominee, we will enthusiastically support him. But our responsibility is not to choose simply to support the eventual nominee; it is to help select the nominee who is best for our party and best for our country. Our choice is clear: Hillary Clinton is that candidate. We believe she should be your choice as well.
Rep. Michael Arcuri (NY-24)
Rep. Shelley Berkley (NV-01)
Rep. Marion Berry (AR-1)
Rep. Henry Cuellar (TX-28)
Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand (NY-20)
Rep. Gene Green (TX -29)
Rep. John Hall (NY-19)
Rep. Darlene Hooley (OR-5)
Rep. Kendrick B. Meek (FL-17)
Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones (OH-11)
Rep. Silvestre Reyes (TX-16)
Rep. Mike Ross (AR-4)
Rep. Joe Sestak (PA-8)
Rep. Ike Skelton (MO-4)
Rep. John Tanner (TN-8)
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (FL-20)

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By Conservative Yankee, May 10, 2008 at 6:11 am Link to this comment
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Trinity Southside sponsors the local food pantry, offers landlord-tenant resolution services. Provides a meeting place for C.A.S.A., provides its facility (for free) to Alcoholics Anonymous. sponsors a safe-house for abused women and their children, offers free transportation to medical facilities for their old, a youth program for their young, a day-care facility, and prison counseling.

...and this was as of 1998, maybe they are doing more now.

I am an Atheist,  but if I lived on Chicago’s southside I would attend Trinity… because Atheist comes second to “community action” and the the music is Out-o-sight!

...and…
If, the black churches helped the slaves to freedom, supported and pushed them through the civil rights movement, and is now helping them take their long denied place at the table, they are Jake with me!

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By liberalwhiteboy, May 10, 2008 at 4:23 am Link to this comment
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AIPAC Announces Annual Treachery Fest Agenda For…June 2, 2008… Chicago, Illinois

http://homo-sapien-underground.blogspot.com/2008/05/aipac-announces-annual-treachery-fest.html

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By cyrena, May 10, 2008 at 2:37 am Link to this comment

Jim,

Great, objective, and realistic observations.

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By Michael Tripper, May 10, 2008 at 1:34 am Link to this comment
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the hatred she inspires is crazy and as others have also pointed out the Clintons are more like neo-liberal neocons - Clinton ramped up Prohibition and put a hella lot of people in jail and encouraged the growth of the private prison industry while gutting welfare.

These “folks” are not progressive in any way shape or form - just window dressing.

Hearing here drawl while stumping Indiana was sickeningly disingenuous. Hello Mrs Walmart - we know what you stand for and it’s all bs - money for the rich and connected and damn everyone else.

But man we can sucker a whole lot of folks.

Guess what Bush/Clintons - it ain’t 1988 - the jig is up - the people that were fooled are no longer gullible - you sick and twisted race-baiting bi….well I guess maybe she’s just upholding that fine Dixiecrat tradition - instead of being embarrased she just wades deeper in it.

Obama Can!

Think I’ll design some t-shirts….

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By cyrena, May 10, 2008 at 1:28 am Link to this comment

Actually Rhino,

The organization that you’ve chosen to reference as a ‘hate group’ is actually a Church, and a very long established body at that. It is the United Church of Christ. The racial composition of its 1.4 million members and more than 6,000 congregations includes ALL races, but is 97% Anglo Saxon. Or, you might call it Caucasian, or in your case, you probably just refer to it as, ‘white like you’.

So, that makes your comment sort of on the order of a comment that some WHITE RACIST HATE GROUP member might say, and a pretty ignorant one at that.

Now it is true that the congregation at TRINITY United Church of Christ in Chicago, Il, happens to be a majority African-American congregation, and I would say that it is in part at least, due to the location of Trinity. Churches (of all denominations) have a tendency to draw their congregations from the communities where the church is located.

Anyway, I’m not a church goer myself, (at least not for several decades now) but my family and most of my friends and colleagues are, so I try to keep up to at least know what I’m talking about with the basics. I do that because there actually ARE a large number of RACIST HATE GROUPS that organize themselves under false premises of being a ‘church’. They are all varieties of hate groups, Neo-Nazis, Aryan Supremacists, White Trash Wannabe Supremacists, and I could go on. (but I won’t). So, it’s important to know the difference. Part of my own work involves keeping track of these various hate groups, (there are SO many it’s just a crying shame) so again, that’s why it’s good to know the difference.


Anyway, here’s a little bit more about the United Church of Christ. If you want to learn even more about the congregation at Trinity, (the one that Obama and his family attend), then I’ve included a link for you there as well. Knowledge is usually a good thing. Too bad more folks didn’t have that when they took such a huge risk with OUR country, by putting the Criminal Bush Regime in charge of the overthrow of our government. Who knows how long it will take to get it back.

If anybody can do it though, Barack Obama can.


•  “Welcome to the United Church of Christ—a community of faith that seeks to respond to the Gospel of Jesus Christ in word and deed. The UCC was founded in 1957 as the union of several different Christian traditions: from the beginning of our history, we were a church that affirmed the ideal that Christians did not always have to agree to live together in communion. Our motto—“that they may all be one”—is Jesus’ prayer for the unity of the church. The UCC is one of the most diverse Christian churches in the United States. Use the directory on the left of this page to read stories about the history and future of our community.”

About the UCC

”Intelligent dialogue and a strong independent streak sometimes cause the United Church of Christ (UCC) and its 1.4 million members to be called a “heady and exasperating mix.” The UCC tends to be a mostly progressive denomination that unabashedly engages heart and mind. And yet, the UCC somehow manages to balance congregational autonomy with a strong commitment to unity among its nearly 6,000 congregations—despite wide differences among many local congregations on a variety of issues.”

http://www.ucc.org/about-us/

Here’s more on the specific congregation at Trinity.

http://www.tucc.org

And then, if you’d like even more insight into the concepts that provide for the Black Liberation Theology, you can check out this piece on NPR

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88552254

Once again, there ARE hate groups in America. This church isn’t one of them. Your own comment here should be thrown in the garbage pit of racist hate propaganda.

It serves no useful purpose, and actually creates the kind of environment that is very damaging.

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By Pamela Drake, May 9, 2008 at 11:05 pm Link to this comment
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I’m also an older white woman. I was an Edwards supporter. After Obama’s Philadelphia speech, I converted (and might have even if Edwards had not dropped out). If Hillary’s taking donations to get out, where do I send my money?

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By Elizabeth, May 9, 2008 at 8:24 pm Link to this comment
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That is precisely why I will not vote for HRC no matter what.  I am her demographic: female, white, Protestant, 60+ etc. She and the rest of the DLC are no longer Democrats, if they ever were.  They don’t stand for the traditional Democratic values which includes all peoples especially minorities, the working folks, and the poor.  This white American says that we need to “get over” the nonsense about Obama’s color and start working for the only hope we have right now.

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By RdV, May 9 at 11:10 am #

...>>Obama is much more savvy politician, rising above race,...<<

Part 11 of a post from another blog.

“- According to Chicago Sun of Feb 13, 08, a volunteer setting up an Obama office in Texas
had a Cuban flag with a picture of Che Guevara tacked up in her office
- the Italian translation of the book “Audacity of Hope” was published with an introduction
by Walter Vetroni, a former leader of the Italian Communist party

- One of Obama’s good friend, campaign contributor and advisor is Tony Rezko, an Arab American, born in Syria, who is currently facing federal charges of attempted extortion, money laundering, and fraud; Obama had actually received nearly three times more campaign cash from Rezko and his associates than he has publicly acknowledged
- Interestingly, Obama’s campaign has relied heavily on people such as Kenneth Griffin, a
Chicago-based hedge-fund manager who reportedly earned $1.4bn last year
- Obama’s spiritual leader and counselor is Reverend Jeremiah Wright, who said in the
newly disclosed video that the 9/11 attacks were brought on by US “terrorism.”
- Obama’s congregation invited the leader of the terrorist organization Hamas, to post
political opinions in their printed flier
-Obama’s wife Michelle ( possible First Lady) publicly declared that she is for the first time
proud for her country, when her husband is runing for President
- Barak has close association with the domestic terrorist organization
members like:
- William Ayers, who bombed high-profile government buildings,including the Capitol (in 70 and 72),
- Carl Davidson or Bernardine Dohrn, members of the “Weathermen” underground radical
leftist group that referred to itself as a revolutionary organization of men and women,
whose purpose was to carry out a series of attacks that would achieve the revolutionary
overthrow of the US Government
- Barak, while living in Hawaii, developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Frank Marshall Davis,
outstanding member of the US Communist Party, by listening to his “poetry” and getting
advice on his career path
- he repeatedly ducked controversial stands in an apparent attempt to make it easier
to be elected to higher office. For example, as a state senator in Illinois,
he voted “present” rather than “aye” or “nay” nearly an astounding 130 times
- he is endorsed by former Black Panther Charles Barron, and by Louis Farrakhan, the leader
of the “Nation of Islam”, as well as other senior memebers of the Nation of Islam
- According to the National Journal, Obama is the most liberal of all 100 senators, who has
absolutely no military, executive or foreign policy experience.”

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By Jim Yell, May 9 at 10:43 am #
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>>...democratic republican enablers
I believe that Hillary is a Lieberman Democrat, a trojan whore for the Republican Party. I understood that I was voting for a moderate Republican when I voted for the first Clinton Presidency. The second time around I with held my vote from both parties because I felt the basic dishonesty of Clinton had hurt what was basically a competent administration and his shoving NAFTA down our throats was much worse than what he did to some of the women in his life.

I believe that Hillary has shown herself as estranged from the truth as Bill Clinton and it is time for the Clintons to find something else to ruin and take the Bushies with them.<<

I believe that the pubs feel they can beat Obama and that is why all the sudden negative press about Hillary’s campaign. They would have at the least tough time against Hillary.

“And what about this, which may have to be placed in two separate comments, found on another blog?
PART 1
“Here are some more or less known facts about the brilliant orator and presidential hopeful:

- he used alcohol, marijuana, and cocaine during his teenage years to
“push questions of who I was, out of my mind”
- according to his own claims both parents were declared atheists
- His first name Barak is a specific Arabic first name and his middle name Hussein is
a specific Muslim name
- Despite the fat that he claims that he has never been raised as a Muslim, in the
various schools he attended in Jakarta, Indonesia, he was registered as a Muslim;
also, according to his sister Maya Soetoro, “the family did not attend the mosque
for regular worship, but for communal events”
- his father was a polygamist, as he was already married with a child in Kenya,
when he married Barak Jr.‘s mother: Ann Dunham; before divorcing her, he married
a 3rd woman, Ruth, while studying in Boston, MA
- four years after his father’s death, Obama Jr. traveled to his father’s ancestral
Kenyan village. There he learned the full story of his father’s life and met some of
his relatives
- after his father, he has 6 step-brothers and a step-sister

- after his own told recollections, he was tortured by fellow pupils - who let out monkey hoots -
and turned into a disenchanted teenage rebel, experimenting with cocaine, marijuana and alcohol
However a former classmate, Alan Lum, radically contradicts Barak’s claim:
Hawaii is such a melting pot that it didn’t occur to me when we were growing up that
he might have problems about being one of the few African-Americans at the school. Us kids didn’t see color. He was easy-going and well-liked.”
- While at Columbia University, his book claims, “no matter how many times the
administration tried to paint them over, the walls remained scratched with blunt
correspondence (about) niggers.”
But one of his classmates, Joe Zwicker, 45, now a lawyer in Boston, said:
“That surprises me. Columbia was a pretty tolerant place.
There were African American students in my classes and I never saw any evidence
of racism at all.”

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By RdV, May 9 at 11:10 am #

>>...Obama is much more savvy politician, rising above race,...<<

How can that be when he was mentored and the confidant of the racist, hate group for twenty years? Was he actually so blind that he did not see what was in his face all those years? If so, he does not have the vision to be the president of our country. If he was a knowledgable supporter for those twenty years then he is either a dissociative personality or a false facade. I’m not betting with my country. Thank you.

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By Jim, May 9, 2008 at 6:10 pm Link to this comment
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I am a lifelong white Democrat, income under $30,000 per year. I initially supported Bill Richardson for president, but threw my support behind Obama when Richardson dropped out of the race before my state held its primary.

Hillary seems to forget that she would be facing the same uphill battle Obama would be facing in the fall if she were the nominee: the willingness of Americans to vote for a candidate who is not a white male. Where does she get the idea that America is more willing to accept a woman as president than a black?

The reason I didn’t throw my support behind Hillary when Richardson dropped out is because she carries too much baggage. From the day her husband took office the venom I heard from their detractors far surpassed anything I had ever heard voiced about a president (and spouse) of the opposing party. She is deluded if she thinks middle-of-the-road voters would flock to her over McCain. The Clintons’ problems didn’t start with the Monica Lewinsky scandal; the Republicans were looking for anything they could find (Whitewater, etc.) that would give them an excuse to impeach Bill Clinton. Also, Bill didn’t win either of his elections by much of a margin, and Hillary doesn’t possess the charisma that Bill possessed to get people to look past his personal flaws and narcissm.

On the other hand, while Obama isn’t without baggage of his own (Rev. Wright, for example), there isn’t a candidate anywhere that doesn’t have at least some baggage, and Obama has less than most. He also has more charisma. Charisma alone doesn’t make you a good leader, but it makes you more electable. Charisma was a major reason why Reagan won his elections by landslides.

I think America is ready to embrace a black or woman as president, if the candidate is the right person. Obama is the right black for the task; Hillary is not the right woman. How many current or former women governors are there in the U.S right now? One of them might be the right woman (Arizona governor Janet Napolitano, to cite one example), but it sure isn’t Hillary.

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By thebeerdoctor, May 9, 2008 at 5:11 pm Link to this comment

Purple Girl, your comments reveal that we no longer have a true democratic party. I notice a lot of one time Clinton supporters are now reassessing their praise for the former president. The seeds of the party’s destruction were there from the beginning, with the “new kind of democrat”. It also should be remembered that Bill Clinton kept the embargo on Iraq in place, during his entire presidency. That brutal policy resulted in the deaths of at least a half million Iraqi children. A decision according to his Secretary of State, Madeline Albright, was “worth it”. Is it any surprise that Ms. Albright supports Hillary Clinton?
FDR was a man from wealth, but being struck down by polio, caused him to find empathy with his fellow humans. Thus the great tradition of the Democratic Party was born, especially at a time when concern for the human condition was paramount, and oddly, at the same time, saved the capitalist system in spite of itself. Contrast that with today’s Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, the richest person in all of congress, who, as one of her first legislative duties announced that the impeachment of George W. Bush was “off the table”.
It might be wise to put aside some of the rhetorical flourishes of Senator Obama, who borrows phrases from Dr. Martin Luther King, but never comes to acknowledge the hard truths the civil rights leader pointed out about US militarism and economic injustice.
The fight in the democratic party is about power, not so pure, and certainly not so simple. The Obama team is trying to wrest control of the party away from the likes of Terry McAuliffe and the Democratic Leadership Council. McAuliffe is an excellent example of a new kind of democrat. He is a chap who invested 100k in Global Crossing and was able to roll that into 18 million dollars until it was discovered that the enterprise was a fiber optic fraud. He also received $37500. “contingency fee” from Prudential Insurance, while working as a Clinton fund raiser. A walk between the raindrops creep if ever there was one!
It is obvious to me, of the so called big three candidates, Obama is the one with the most character. But he has made way to many concessions to these slime devils. If he still believes he can appeal to their better angels of conscience, he is sorely mistaken. The Clinton crime family and its machinery only cares about themselves.

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‘Reagan Democrat’ is a misnomer and an Oxymoron. No such Beast ever lived amongst Real Dems in the’80’s- We hated Ronny’s Regime Too (Cheney, rummy, wolfie et al). Union busting, Corp Whores who allowed AIDs to become an Epidemic (nationally & Internationally).
Not to mention the various other infringement of Our Basic principles,rights and Freedoms.this new fantasy term has been dreamed up to legitmized Hillary and her War Policies,dangerous saber rattling towards Iran and complacency Of Isreal, the Saudi’s and the UAE.NO REAL DEM WOULD HAVE UTTERED THE WORD “OBLITERATE”, unless they we talking about Poverty, diease or Corp’s Undue influence and Reckless Greed.I’ve wtched her mask slide since she took her seat in the Senate, most notably while on the Armed Services. I watched her actions Because I actually thought I would be one of her most avid supporter like I was for Bill.She not only dispensed all doubt about her but has caused serious Reconsideration of Bill in my eyes.Heckova Job Hilly.I have seen and heard some other rather disturbing trends among other so called Dems and now realize they are the Blue Arm of the Neo Cons, willing to deceive Women like they did the Religious community (Moral Majority camoflague) to undermine and destroy our Party like they did to the Real Republican party in the ‘80’s.Any Super Delegate that has or does Endorse Hillary is telling me they Too are Neo Cons in Blue!And I want them OUT and Exposed to the light to disinfect Our Party Of Their contaminating infestation!

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By cyrena, May 9, 2008 at 3:39 pm Link to this comment

JS..

You DID remember correctly here..

“..The ghetto gets kicked around, while (if i remember my numbers right) white, rural America collects far more in government money than black, urban America…”

I vaguely remembered the stats from way back in the day, and am revisiting them now. Not much at all has changed here, with the exception that there are (at least in many of the urban areas now) far more immigrants that have displaced those blacks on government aid, depending on the demographics.

And when I say ‘immigrants’ I should be more specific in saying that they are generally 1st and or even 2nd generation Americans, (and yes, primarily from the south) simply by nature of having been born on US soil, because that’s the way it’s always been. That IS the ‘American policy’ and so those who would now choose to deny that, are in fact the hypocrites.

STILL, even with that change in the distribution of these types of welfare assistance, the numbers do still put the bulk of it in the rural white areas. Oddly, those are the areas that if they do vote, vote for Hillary.

The further irony of the antagonism toward these folks receiving a large portion of the urban welfare aid (Hispanics) is they are HERE (the US) because of NAFTA and other Clintonian type economics policies that have run them out of THERE. (wherever in Mexico or other parts of Latin America they’ve been run out of). And, the further irony is that they do, (for the most part) support the Clintonians. Talk about a Stockholm Syndrome. (or whatever that thing is where people cling to and/or otherwise worship their abusers).

I’m sure it’s not at all intentional, but then again, when is it ever?

Meantime, you are so right that there are ALWAYS going to be people who take from the system, and others who do not, even if and when they could. In the larger picture, THAT isn’t even related to ‘class inequality’. I mean, what have the wealthiest of the wealthy been doing for decades? I’d say they’ve been robbing the system, (all of us) and robbing us blind.

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By cyrena, May 9, 2008 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment

I ditto tres…very much appreciate your comments here, and that you shared them with us.

Change that cannot be denied.

Thanks

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By cyrena, May 9, 2008 at 2:28 pm Link to this comment

Jackpine savage,

This made me laugh A LOT!!

The VOTERS have STOLEN MY NOMINATION!!

Too funny!

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By ThatDeborahGirl, May 9, 2008 at 1:27 pm Link to this comment
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You know, Obama makes me question whether or not I’m a bigot, I will not lie.

Because, I believed for the longest time, just like Hillary did…Obama may squeak past and become the nominee, but there’s no way white America will elect a black man to be President of the USA.

Quite frankly, my every day experiences with white folks is my basis for this. But lately…I don’t know. It seems that if you’re looking for racism you’ll find it and the flip side of that is true is well…if you look for a way to get along with folks…well you’ll find that too. White people say that all the time…black folks look for racism- that may be true but honestly, we don’t have to look too hard. I just wonder… if maybe we’re all not looking in the right direction.

I’m going to dig deep in the coming days and maybe work on believing just a bit more in white America. That there a lot of white people who are tired of being trapped into the self destructive pattern of hating non-whites.  That maybe, just maybe, there are more white people who are willing to work together to fix our country than there are those who would see us all sink rather than admit that bigotry, racism and discrimination are pointless.

It’s one thing to live and work with white people. It’s quite another to actually believe in large groups of white people, millions and millions of white people willing to change…not just themselves, but the way our country is heading.

It’s the kind of Hope with a capital H Obama says we can believe in. The kind of hope that makes my heart race and makes me smile. The kind of hope that can also make my heart bleed if dashed.

We’re not just talking about Hope. We’re talking about Trust. That’s going to be much harder to accomplish.

Yes We Can? We’ll see.

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By RdV, May 9, 2008 at 12:10 pm Link to this comment

made it an especially foul pander when she framed it as the “hard-working” whites. What the Clintons don’t seem to understand is just because Obama is unwilling to reside in the sewer with them, doesn’t mean the Republicans aren’t beckoning her to the deep end of the pool when they will dredge up every whispered lesbian code to curry favor with the same ugly sentiment regarding her gender.
  Obama is much more savvy politician, rising above race, while Clinton seeks to diffuse the gender attack by modeling herself after the worst aspects of Bush league machismo bluster.

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By Jim Yell, May 9, 2008 at 11:43 am Link to this comment
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I believe that Hillary is a Lieberman Democrat, a trojan whore for the Republican Party. I understood that I was voting for a moderate Republican when I voted for the first Clinton Presidency. The second time around I with held my vote from both parties because I felt the basic dishonesty of Clinton had hurt what was basically a competent administration and his shoving NAFTA down our throats was much worse than what he did to some of the women in his life.

I believe that Hillary has shown herself as estranged from the truth as Bill Clinton and it is time for the Clintons to find something else to ruin and take the Bushies with them.

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By thebeerdoctor, May 9, 2008 at 11:41 am Link to this comment

jackpine savage, what does a politician know about hard work? like sports franchise owners, Dr. Phil, Oprah, and let us not forget well paid pundits, they are always ready to tell you what poor people are thinking. Mr. Robinson’s thoughtful post points out the inherent class racism implied that poor white people would not vote for a black skin candidate. This reveals how little regard Mrs. Clinton has for those poor, uneducated voters she makes claims to. Talking about being poor and actually being poor, are two different matters entirely. What a wretched spectacle to witness. The Clinton name has become a synonym for mud.

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By tres, May 9, 2008 at 11:20 am Link to this comment

Very well said.

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By Trigger finger, May 9, 2008 at 11:05 am Link to this comment
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You don’t have to worry about losing our jobs to Mexico any longer, that must of been way too xpensive to move those jobs across the border and corporate America found a cheaper way. (BRING MEXICO HERE)
Now, lets (BRING CHINA HERE).

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By Elaine, May 9, 2008 at 10:34 am Link to this comment
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What a fabulous ally Hillary Clinton could be in ending this racial divide by modeling non-racist speech and action. Her leadership could help break down resistance to a black president amoung white midle class people that her comments imply.  That would be a person and a leader who truly cares about this country and the democratic party.

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By troublesum, May 9, 2008 at 10:30 am Link to this comment

We hear so often about situations in our recent history where aides to our presidents have been afraid to tell them the truth which has led to disasterous consequences in many cases and that’s what we are seeing here.  The people closest to Clinton won’t tell her the truth.

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By wildflower, May 9, 2008 at 9:55 am Link to this comment

Actually, Eugene, I believe the problem goes beyond repudiation of principles of the party.  It’s more like repudiation of principles of America.  Hillary, of course, is not the only one taking this route.  Look at what McCain has been doing?  What kind of U.S. Presidential candidate praises and seeks endorsements from individuals like Hagee and Parsley who are nothing more that “skinheads” in the pulpit?

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By jackpine savage, May 9, 2008 at 9:50 am Link to this comment

No, there isn’t anything wrong with food stamps.  Though my family never received them (though i’d imagine that my mother was close to needing them after her divorce), back then - i believe - you were pretty well forced to buy real groceries with them.  I know you couldn’t buy cigarettes.

The “black welfare queen” is such an American political meme that it is reflected in everyday conversation.  Reagan pounded it, and Clinton pounded it too.  What many people don’t realize is that urban “ghettos” often have vibrant economies…only that they’re all under the table.  Auto repair, hair dressing, etc. all occur.

The ghetto gets kicked around, while (if i remember my numbers right) white, rural America collects far more in government money than black, urban America.

And if the ignorance of people puts the government in place that puts them in the position in which they live, then who’s fault is that position?  We cannot be the cause and then bemoan the effect.

But i’m not trying to “do good”.  And i’m not a democrat, so i’m not trying to win elections by making people feel better about themselves.  Finally, i don’t see how we can afford to vote for either party anymore, since they both work for the same side of the class divide…and it isn’t “ours”.

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By Rodger Kingston, May 9, 2008 at 9:38 am Link to this comment
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I have observed something extraordinary while participating in this campaign: Obama is showing us that racial diversity is something to value in one another, and instead of diminishing our differences, we are empowered to build something out of them, and to celebrate them.

So while his opponents try to drive racial wedges into his campaign, Obama serenely (David Brooks’ word) moves toward the Democratic nomination and, I believe, to election by a landslide in November.

Rodger Kingston

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By Taylor, May 9, 2008 at 9:20 am Link to this comment
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There is no doubt in my mind that if the situation were reversed the Obama team would be campaigning till the bitter end and feel they had every single right to do so.  Let the lady run.  Please.  If it ends up being Obama versus McCain - I am very concerned we will have a republican in the White House another four years.  But, each generation has to learn anew and sometimes the hard way.  Oh well.

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By Fadel Abdallah, May 9, 2008 at 8:29 am Link to this comment

Desperate and Foolish Hillary!

What Hillary, who is both arrogant and racist, is clearly saying is that “white people who are not wealthy are irredeemably racists” like her, but she happened to be economically not among them. By saying this she is guilty on two counts: First, she is clearly racist, clearly playing the race card; second: she is being elitist and condescending towards poor white Americans implying that they are irredeemably racists.

Remember just few weeks ago when she made news accusing Obama of being a condescending elitist?!

Poor whites should take great offense with her foolish remarks and prove to her that though they might be poor, they still have the capacity for critical and enlightened judgment.

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By Fraz, May 9, 2008 at 8:13 am Link to this comment

This Nebraskan was shocked and surprised to find herself with many, many others standing for Obama at our first ever Democratic caucus.  Now we need Scott Kleeb for Senator.  Change is happening!!

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By David, May 9, 2008 at 8:00 am Link to this comment
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Billary is essentially blackmailing the Democratic party.  You just watch, they’ll not only have to pay off her considerable debt, they’ll probably have to give her the Vice Presidency and all the Cheneyesque powers that now come with it.  This country is finished.  Billary is a big part of the reason why.

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By desertdude, May 9, 2008 at 7:59 am Link to this comment

Thought the American people would hand her the Presidency. Now she knows better and it hurts. She is just another sore loser.

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By Dyspeptic Teleologist, May 9, 2008 at 7:53 am Link to this comment

Nicely said troublesum.  I had the same thought.

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By tdbach, May 9, 2008 at 7:50 am Link to this comment

I agree, Aegrus. It’s counter-productive to denigrate a class of people to make an argument. As you rightly point out, “there are always people who just take from the system.” Indeed, I would venture to guess that they are approximately in the same proportion at every socioeconomic level, except the higher you go up the food chain the more money they milk from the system.

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By Ivan Hentschel, May 9, 2008 at 7:09 am Link to this comment
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Most everyone is using this article as a reason to complain about something else that’s troublesome and that they don’t like about the complexity of the situation. The article was aptly titled “A Slap in the Face”. The problem is that above and beyond everything else, H is just plain arrogant. We’ve just had eight years of that and I don’t need or want any more. And because she is totally repugnant in her arrogance, it winds up breeding racism. Or elitism, which is racism, as well. Somehow, George Orwell’s “some pigs are more equal than others” crept in here and the whole barnyard is starting to stink from the manure being spread around. Put your petty gripes and and slanted viewpoints away and realize that her bahvior is a slap in the face to decent people everywhere, of any color, who believe in humanity and equality.

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By Aegrus, May 9, 2008 at 6:50 am Link to this comment

JS, I grew up on food stamps. Maybe it is the area I live in, but we never complained about blacks taking our money, and my mother worked very hard to provide me and my brother with a roof over our heads. We were just happy to have good value crackers and macaroni & cheese to eat (assuming, of course, either weren’t crawling with weevils).

This year, people just can’t afford to vote Republican. Believe me, everyone favors their own self-interest, and it doesn’t matter what color the person is that is doing the helping. The racists will just bitch about it while taking advantage of the benefits of a Democratic administration.

There are always people who just take from the system, but there are many more who don’t. I don’t think it is very productive to further divide America under the real bigotry of our time, Class Warfare. It doesn’t make much sense to me to call attention to people who take government money in relation to their perceived ignorance of the government policy that put them in the position in which they live.

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By Eric Barth, May 9, 2008 at 6:32 am Link to this comment
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I never pay much attention to the ruminations of David Brooks, the very conservative columnist who regularly appears on the News Hour with Jim Lehrer. A few years ago, however, he did make a statement about Bill and Hillary Clinton which I have come to agree with. Brooks stated that with the Clintons, whatever the issue, in the final analysis, “it’s all about them.”

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By jmndodge, May 9, 2008 at 6:28 am Link to this comment

A wise change of direction could restore you position as a democratic party leader, uniter, and an health care policy expert.  There is danger afoot however, as illustrated from sports.  Remember Bo Jackson, a two sport professional, then Michael Jordan—basketballs best to date.  His professional baseball dream just didn’t happen.  He simply couldn’t hit the ball. Fortunately he returned to basketball, and remans with his place among the greats.  Hillary be wise enough to remain among the greats, and make a difference in American Policits.  Yes, we Can!

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By nrobi, May 9, 2008 at 6:21 am Link to this comment

The very idea that a person who is a Democrat, a true party supporter, that would not vote for Barack Obama, because he is “Black” is completely and utterly outrageous.  Not only is Hillary Clinton arrogant, but she is also self-deluded, she cannot read the writing on the wall, that this country will no longer stand for and support the people who voted for the illegal and immoral war in Iraq. We are tired and plenty p*^#*|+ off that our tax money is going to a cause that should not have happened in the first place and is making our lives here at home a living hellhole.  Our services, are falling apart, our infrastructure is crumbling and the administration of the shrub, cares not one whit for the American people, just so long as they can fill their pockets on the backs of those who pay their unfair share of the tax burden. It is high time that Sen. Clinton, remove herself from politics altogether and go back to being a shill for the corporations that she has backed, like Wal-Mart, not the unions that have so wrongly given their support to her. Her time is done, she can no longer justify, tearing the Democratic Party apart for the sake of her campaign, yet here she is, doing just that by playing the race card, and not effectively at that.  She is certainly deluded if she thinks that she can win against John McCain, there is no way that Hillary Clinton, can muster enough support from the undecided voters of this country to win the presidency. Also, a ticket with Hillary Clinton as vice-president will not win because she would make power plays for the control of this country and would upstage any person as president with her shenanigans.  I, for one, a White Person, and proud of it, am backing Barack Obama, for the presidency and will continue to do so. Enough Said.

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By Conservative Yankee, May 9, 2008 at 6:02 am Link to this comment
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No matter which candidate wins in the fall, Citi Group, Microsoft, and the defense industry will still have a lobbyist in the White House.

AND

Keep an eye on that Business-shill, she’s not dead till someone drives a stake through her…. Oh, yeah, she doesn’t have one>

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By Doug, May 9, 2008 at 6:01 am Link to this comment
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Hi,
If HC got 90% of the white vote people would say the whites are voting for her because she is white, and they are racist, which would be true. When BO gets 90% of the black vote are the blacks not racist?? I think so.
Yours faithfully a no vote alien

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By Pacrat, May 9, 2008 at 5:46 am Link to this comment
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I’ll you what went wrong - letting Bill run her campaign! Any residual respect I had for the former president disappeared as soon as I realized that he was sandbagging her campaign! I don’t believe that he is as stupid as he sounds!

As for Hillary - we are disgusted at her shameful tactics - racism, lies, distortions. I know that she is a Washington pro, but I didn’t realize that she also believed in the drivel she put out! She stood by her man, but he didn’t stand by her!

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By David Veteran, May 9, 2008 at 5:45 am Link to this comment

And now she should pay a political price beyond losing the nomination, but that is up to NYers.  I don’t honestly think she can hurt him anymore.  Her statements are like the ever fading voice of someone who has fallen off a cliff, which happens sometimes when you play on the edge.  It was sad to see Ed Rendell, who is someone I liked, encouraging the notion that people of his own state (the Pennsyltucky part?) were too rascist and ignorant to vote black. Do they think that such ignorant yahoos will vote for a woman for commander in chief?  All the leaders should be inspiring people to go beyond their prejudices, their appeal to bigotry is so sad.  This includes stupid shit about “bubba”, that’s right, poor whites, hard working as they may be, are stupid and easily manipulated, is another in the bag of bigotry tricks————-we have to stay on point—-as cyrena said “Even racists know what would happen under McCain, since we’ve been suffering that for nearly 8 years”—true, true.

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By troublesum, May 9, 2008 at 5:44 am Link to this comment

And, you know, only white Americans are “hard working.”  And some of her best friends are lazy Blacks, but she won’t hold that against them because she’s been a fighter for civil rights all her life so if they just want to sit around the house all day and collect food stamps for watermellons and fried chicken that’s their right.

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By JEP, May 9, 2008 at 5:39 am Link to this comment

I must admit, and apologize for it, that I once thought our nation was not ready for a black president, for all the worst reasons.

I often touted an Edwards/Obama ticket to help bridge that chasm in my mind.

But I was raised in Iowa, and went there for their Jefferson Jackson days as an Edwards supporter.  I expected all the Obama idealists in Iowa to get a sad dose of the old-American reality I believed still plagued our bi-polar nation.

But when I saw the Obama army, stretching for blocks as they marched through the streets of Des Moines, something stirred in me that was irreprescible, and I realized MOST OF THEM WERE WHITE!

This is in Iowa, you know, lily white Iowa, where I grew up in a small town surrounded by nothing but my fellow whites, the only black people I saw were on television.

I expected Iowa would show everyone how unprepared we were a a society to make this important step in our political evolution.

I was wrong, on all counts. Completely wrong.

And thank God I was proven wrong, in Iowa where my doubts still lingered.  After that event, I no longer doubted for a moment we could elect an African American president, I began to realize it was actually going to happen.

When Edwards dropped out, I made the swift transition, like so many other Edwards supporters, to the Obama camp, and have supported him vociferously, financially, and with personal conviction ever since.

And I think the failure of Louisiana bigots to tarnish a congressional candidate by posing him next to Obama is proof that the old models are dead, even in the south, and the new one has yet to be seen, but it is coming soon.

This is my mea culpa for ever doubting.

I am very grateful I live in a nation where real change CAN happen. I hope many others who carry lngering doubts will see the clear evidence of this sea-change, both in our government and in our collective national commitment to equality, and that they will support Obama proudly.

It’s what America is all about.

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By jackpine savage, May 9, 2008 at 5:15 am Link to this comment

Hard working white people, my ass.  Come out here to rural America and watch those “hard-working white people” buy frozen pizzas, pop, and smokes with food stamps.  Ok, they don’t call them food stamps here…here we call it the “bridge card”.

Every time i go to the grocery store, there’s at least three people in line ahead of me buying food with government money.  But start a conversation in that same line about Detroit and you’ll start hearing about how the darkies down there live off of welfare and drag the whole system down.

Last year, my state nearly shut down.  I made the mistake of saying that it was fine by me at a gas station.  I was given a lecture about how that would affect everyone’s welfare payments.  The area i live in is as white as an easter lily and boasts one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation…beats Detroit hands down.

She forgets that those “hard-working whites” lost their hard-working jobs to Mexico and China due to the economic policies of her husband…they forget too, but they’re willing to look the other way as long as the hand outs keep coming.

The demographic stat is always quoted as less than $50,000/year.  That’s a broad brush; it would be more interesting to see unemployment figures correlated with counties won/lost by Clinton.  Hell, if you don’t have a job there’s no excuse not to get out the vote.

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By Jaded Prole, May 9, 2008 at 4:26 am Link to this comment

Obama knows he has won the nomination and so do most Americans. Clinton will not split the party along racial lines because most white Dems support Obama. The longer this goes on, the less support Clinton will have because her stubborn arrogance and seeming willingness to harm the Democratic party for her own career is no winning her any friends. If anything, she is reinforcing the virago image that turns many off who don’t already think of her as a corrupt corporate politician.

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By cyrena, May 9, 2008 at 1:19 am Link to this comment

•  “So why would these Democrats refuse to vote for a nominee running on Democratic principles against a self-described conservative Republican? The answer, which Clinton implies but doesn’t quite come out and say, is that Obama is black—and that white people who are not wealthy are irredeemably racist.”

I had to laugh, since this is EXACTLY what she’s saying. And, there is a SLIVER of truth in that. There ARE some people (of this very same demographic) who will NOT vote for Barack Obama, although I’m inclined to believe that they would simply not vote at all, rather than vote for McCain. OR..they’ll toss their votes away on a non-viable choice, just to make a point (to themselves, since it will be of no substance to anything else). And among them will be that 10% of African-Americans who also hate Obama, albeit it for possibly different reasons/motivations/ideologies. Still, the point is that it simply does not represent the majority of the Democratic Party. Even racists know what would happen under McCain, since we’ve been suffering that for nearly 8 years.

•  “Only in Camp Clinton does anyone believe that his supporters will be happy if party leaders tell him, in effect, “Nice job, kid, but we can’t give you the nomination because, well, you’re black. White people might not like that.”

I had to laugh here as well. He’s right, only the most delusional would believe this is gonna be ‘acceptable’. What DIDN’T happen, and SHOULD have happened, after the Florida Coup of 2000, would DEFINITELY happen if we should see another re-run of that. And needless-to-say, we’re NOT just talking about some ‘black-uprising’ since the majority of Obama’s supporters are NOT. THAT is the point. He may have 90% of the African-American vote, but the African-American vote ALONE, is not what has put him SO FAR AHEAD in every measurable level.

So, something like Eugene describes here, would be an absolute first. Seriously. Black folks are accustomed to knowing and hearing, (directly or implicitly), “Yeah, we/I know you’re the best person for the job, but we’re still gonna give it to the white person.” We’ve been hearing that for Centuries. BUT, that might not go over too well with his white supporters. Yep, that would be a first, but I really don’t think it’s a good time to ‘test’ it. Holy Shit! That would be the start of a civil war between dems and repugs. (with a number of dems joining the repug side, but still). Nope…I don’t think it’s a good time to do that. Might solve the ‘race issue’ once and for all, but oh my…the damage.

Finally:

•  “Clinton’s sin isn’t racism, it’s arrogance”

This is true of course, but it’s also willfully ignorant arrogance, which creates HUBRIS, and that makes it deadly for all. When such hubris is undertaken by people in power, it’s always deadly, because this very same thing can be said of the Fascists in power now. They aren’t so much racist as they are arrogant. And that’s why HRC would be equally dangerous.

Anyway, great piece from Eugene. He’s on the money, and I want to believe that something or somebody will bring HRC to some sense of reality, about the fire she’s building, and take the matches away as well.

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By cwhipps, May 9, 2008 at 12:58 am Link to this comment

Hillary Clinton has become Pat Buchanan.

You’re absolutely right about that “hard working white people” comment. It was the first time I’ve ever been deeply offended by a modern Democrat. I wrote to both my state senators, (Barbara Boxer, and Diane Feinstein) and told them how I felt.

I also let them know that I’ve been waiting until this election is resolved to donate to the DCCC. I have no interest in supporting a Democratic party that will be returning to the race baiting from my childhood. Thanks to Hillary’s recklessness: we won’t have to explain why having her as the VP is a non-starter. If Obama can’t get her “hard working white” voters, then there’s no point in having her on the ticket. Right?

But, I’ve always felt that Hillary was a trojan horse for the DLC wing of the neo-liberals. I think her plans have always been much more sinister from the beginning. Plan “A” was to win the White House, but her plan “B” was to make sure that THE CORPORATISTS are left in power.

Spliting up the Democratic party was the Clinton’s goal from the beginning. She just doesn’t get to become president while doing that, now.

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By patricia, May 9, 2008 at 12:22 am Link to this comment
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I THINK it is safe to say that this is becoming more and more like a McCain/Hilary ticket against Obama. Whose side is she on? It has to be hers!

HILARY’S YOUTH IS COMING BACK TO HAUNT HER IS THE PROBLEM. HER FATHER HAD A HUGE PROBLEM WITH RACE-DID NOT EVEN WANT HER TAKING TO A TRIP TO “AFRICA- S.AFRICA” WHERE SHE WANTED TO GO AS A COLLEGE STUDENT-SHE DIDN’T EVEN HAVE THE HEART TO TELL HIM HOW SHE REALLY FELT ABOUT WANTING TO GO because she knew what his reaction would be-BUT ...IF we speed up to the present-with her father out of the picture would surely look down on her and frown that she is actually losing this race-big time-to a “Black Man.” which in her eyes-I believe to be the ultimate shame-in hers and to her father’s memory-and now attached to the Clinton legacy as a label of- “racist.” if she thinks that the black community is going to support her if she snatches the nomination from Obama-she had better think again, because I am sick and tired of her telling the world that Obama can’t close the deal without the “poor white vote.” What about her… she “Can’t close the deal with the black vote.” and Obama is just doing fine without the group she has in her circle. His base of all races is continuing to grow-but hers-very limited/ like the “Clinton circle.” I would soon sit at home and watch lifetime then come out and vote for her.
She flip flops more than McCain tends to slip in his own slippers- which is why I think they should be on the same ticket. She says that this year is too important of an election to lose it to the Rep. Party- so Dems. are going to stick to the party regardless-and not to worry that she will support the nominee whoever that may be- but… what is insulting is that she throws it right back and says-well Obama can’t win it because not only is he a man-“(throwing in the gender card) but he is a “Black man” (throwing in the race card) so he can’t win the poor, white vote- ….yet it is a democratic year and the Dems. are supposed to win. If that is the case-and it is a Democratic year, than why continue to run if you are the loser? The Dems will win anyway!

I- once a Hilary supporter never thought she could stoop this low as the first –bad apple female to run-thinking her last name was going to run on gas and testicular fortitude -until Obama kicked her out of the way. Yet-she is still waving her hand around like it doesn’t matter because the white vote counts plus I’m a Clinton. Is she delusional or is she on hormone replacement? Does she actually think as the first white woman to run would win the respect of the American people this way?-she comes off looking like a soar loser! The only way she will catch up to Obama is if she campaigns in Europe and Canada to get their votes too. She turned out to be my buyer’s remorse-but I’m so glad I voted for Obama before I made the biggest mistake of my life. You know she kind of reminds me of “Reese Weatherspoon” in the movie “Election” starring Matthew Broderick. -So funny, so sad, so spoiled-whatever she could do to win the school election. Maybe someone ought to send her a copy of it. Please..

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By lasublime, May 8, 2008 at 11:15 pm Link to this comment
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Thank You Eugene for saying what is , and has, been on my mind for some time, and others as well I am sure.  Not only is Hillary spitting n the face of black americans, who you rightly call loyal, but she is also insulting the very group she says has unshakeable support for her because she is white.  This comment is much much worse than Obama’s bitter comment, which, even if badly stated, was an attempt to understand the psychology operating in different communities.  White blue collar and/or higher educated workers are racist.  Yes, thank you Hillary for our in depth study!!!

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By Maezeppa, May 8, 2008 at 10:25 pm Link to this comment
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“Hillary Clinton has campaigned as if the Democratic nomination were hers by divine right.”

That’s not true.  Clinton said and worked as though she needed to earn every vote she got.  She did, and I’m sure she will take no pleasure in saying “I told you so” if Obama blows it, and I think he may, big-time even though McCain is about as terrible as they come.

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