Jackpine,

I don’t believe that anyone has ever attempted to suggest that Obama is a saint, including him. But, he’s a WHOLE LOT BETTER than Clinton! That’s where your cynicism could be getting the best of you.

The ‘fighter’ meme is a piece of very poor propaganda, since the last thing we need is for some other human person to ‘fight for us’. It disgusts me the same way it disgusts you.

That is where I see the huge difference. We are perfectly capable of fighting for ourselves, if the political space is made available. It is THERE where Obama can do the good.

Because we DO need to STAND UP FOR OURSELVES, and be heard and allowed to act. We ALL need a seat at the table, and that’s not going to happen with anyone other than Barack Obama.

But, that’s my point. He can make available a seat at the table, and he’s not going to bulldoze over the majority of us as we DO stand up for ourselves. What we do with the seats, or how we choose to act with the opportunity to be heard, and to actually STAND up, instead of being rolled over, remains to be seen.

“Fight for us”? Fight for us against WHOM?

Dionne says Hilary is and will be putting “forth a better self”.

He’s picking up the argument at the last branch of the tree of logical thinking.

So Hilary’s going to change her image; her self.  This begs the question: Where is the real Hilary? If her last self didn’t work, and she’s changing it to one that does work, is it just me, or isn’t there something patently dishonest about that?

I know…I know - old news and old argument to you veteran bloggers out there.  It did feel good to get that off my chest, though.

Are You kidding US???
You fail to point out the most Serious indictment against her Candidacy- “Totally Obliterate Iran"With Nukes!!! To Defend Isreal (who ahs their own),teh Saudi’s and the UAE- who are crippling US again by hoarding their oil reserves and Using US for their M.E. land Grab?Those Oppressive, murderous cast system Criminals who have used US as their Scapegoats for unrest among their own impoverished people?Who rolled out the Red Carpet for the Profiteering Multinationals who also could care less about mankind? Those Middle eastern countries? we would risk humanity to defend? Big FYI- Iran doe not have Nuclear Weapons Either!!! It is a mute hypothetical! and only serves to provoke and invite further Attacks. She is a Sociopathic meglomaniac- just like Cheney - She is Dick in Drag!

Could you explain this “fighter we need” meme, please?

What is she fighting/going to fight for?  For us?  And what would “fighting for us” entail?

My personal feeling is that our desire to have some fight for us is the fundamental problem that we face.  Are we incapable of standing up for ourselves?  Have any of these politicians ever really “fought” for us before?

It seems to me that a politician who was willing to fight for us would have been adamantly opposed to throwing a war on borrowed money.  A politician fighting for us would tell us how stupid it is to borrow $140M from foreign lenders and divy it up in hopes that we’ll all spend it on imported goods.  Such a politician would remind us that we’ll be paying interest on that money.  A politician who was fighting for us wouldn’t be talking about suspending the gas tax; he/she would be talking to us about driving less, carpooling, etc….and still fighting to tax the living hell out of the oil companies. 

And a politician worth over $100M, whose husband can make $250,000 for an hour of bullshitting, that wanted to fight for us wouldn’t be begging for donations.

None of this makes Obama a saint…or even any better than Clinton.  And maybe i have it all wrong, so again, would someone explain this “fighter” meme to me?  My head is thick and my cynicism is even thicker.

Felicity,

I think YOU have the real point here. In short, Hillary is absolutely MORE OF THE SAME. I can see absolutely zero difference between Dick Bush, Hillary Rodham, and John McCain.

THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!! The differences are so superficial that it’s difficult to know if ANYTHING can be changed or otherwise gained by having either of them (McCain or Rodham) in the office. I shudder to think that all will have been for naught, if we don’t get a REAL democrat in the office.

Should have read Kravis, like in Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co, the fleecers of man-kind.

EJ is so desperate for a real human…but none are available. Who cares about Yada Yada yada yada? Both work [with McCain it’s three] for the same corporations and will idly sit by as the citizens get duped and swindled by the Kravits of our society. Want to feel better, cuz your vote is worthless, anyhow? Write in Kucinch for pres…at least you’ll feel good about yourself.

I really hope today’s primary makes it clear who will be the Democratic nominee because I’m really tired of hearing people discuss the same points about campaign tactics, character assassination and just blatant propaganda.

Please, calm the hell down and don’t vote for John McCain. Otherwise, all this will have been for nothing.

Here, here!, I couldn’t have said it better myself!

I understand he is begging people to vote for him to get this thing over with.

He has the nerve to accuse Hillary of “entitlement” belief.  I accuse him of the same thing!  Why does he think he deserves the job of potus with his slim political life?  This is just pure arrogance.

Rodham’s ‘fighter’ is another man’s bully, and there are miles between them.  Do Americans want a fighter in the WH or do they want a bully.  I think the latter given that they’ve twice voted for one.

Rodham consistently portrays herself as the Decider - should she be president. That self-portrayal is improving her numbers which again indicates that the American people like that quality in a president.  Not surprising since they’ve twice voted for one.

Consistent among the Framers of the Constitution was the belief that the guy on the street was incapable of casting an intelligent vote - which is why we have the electoral college and originally senators were not elected by the body politic, (and only men could vote?)  I’m beginning to think they might have had a point.

Once again, with all due respect, I must disagree with Ol’ E.J.

This campaign is an irony wrapped in two enigmas.

It makes me smile whenever pundits discuss the tactics of the democratic race. I smile because the talking heads could choose to see the same political manuevering in exactly the same way, but are so in love with the idea of a President Obama they invariably show a clear bias for him. Here’s another example. When Hillary fine-tunes her message and puts a focus on the swing voters in the race, the working class whites, she is ‘pandering’ by having a beer and a shot in a bar. Everything she does is a tactical move, (what is she up to now?) everything he does is a natural evolution. When Obama ditches his elite-looking uber-rallies in front of thousands in favor of glad-handing and drinking Buds in the bars like he’s “one of the fellas” then he simply getting back in touch with his roots.

Do you really think Obama drinks Budweiser beer? Yeah. About as often as Hillary tosses back a Crown Royal shooter.

Still she looks better these days than he does. One look at the Sunday talk shows and it’s clear as a bell. He looks tired and ready for this thing to end (smokers have less stamina according to my physician wife) and she looks like she’s having a blast on the trail. Pictures are worth, what? A thousand words, right? Well just one snapshot of this race shows me that she’s the fighter we need and he’s lost his stride.

She has effectively portrayed Obama as not much more than a politician, and it’s impossible to fault her for that.

On the other hand, the new “fighter” Clinton with a “found” voice is not doing anything more than pandering.  All of a sudden she’s “of the people”.  She’s a beer drinking, gun loving, blue collar type…yeah, whatever.  She’ll obliterate Iran.  Economists (like her buddy Krugman) are just elitists.  And now she’s telling everyone how she’ll break up OPEC.

I wish that she’d just come out and promise a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage (with gas payed for by the government).

She found her voice after squandering over $100M and the mantle of inevitability all right, she started lying and flinging shit like a monkey.  But she’s a fighter…