Teh media’s obvious ploy to distract US from the real crimes and legitimate fear th atface this nation by non stop Rev Wright bashing is appauling. There is Not one Media outlet who has had the Balls to say what this is- Blanant deception and Race baiting. they fail to even acknowledge the fact that such racist ideologies are clustered in Insignificant segments of society (been marginalizing Liberals for decades). They pertetuate this Stereo type of Whites as viciously as they do to Black community. I have no fear of REv Wright- nor take any offense to ANYTHING he has said! Ifear the Gov’t & Inc’s who have inflitrated and conquered our Free country! they pose a threat to me DAILY!Want to focus on ideologies which are truley dangerous to our national security and Idnentity- start looking at the snake oil Dealers in the Corp Propped Up Evangelical churches- they have even misled their own parisheners away from the REAL teaching sin the Bible to secure the ‘Status Quo’  and have Profitted from their Religious treason!

I’m not much of a beer-drinker, to be honest, but I’ve been known to have a shot of Crown from time to time. I just try to be a voice for my friends, you know, the average Joes. I’m a 40-year old white guy from a pathetically mono-racial state of Maine. My feeling echos the lunch-pail guys I talk to every day. While most will never bother to listen to Wright’s complete sermons because it is far easier to get fed the controversial stuff on youtube and on the Rush Limbaugh-type radio shows.

I have taken the time. I did watch Moyers. I did watch the NAACP and National Press Club speeches and I must admit I would LOVE to sit in the pew of Rev. Wright’s church and be challenged every Sunday. I would love to have my mind expanded beyond 12 years of white public schools and four years of state college. When I had a black roommate I got a glimpse of Paul’s struggles with white America. When I lived in other parts of the country I got glimpses of the racial divide too, but I don’t have anything close to a black experience.

My reason for the brief bio above is to point out that I admit I don’t have a firm grasp on racial issues. People like cyrena and Mr. Canning are the real racial experts here on Truthdig. My voice and my time are all I have to point out what I see happening in this political race. As I see it, if Obama was a sailing ship he’d have a 500 foot gash down the side of his hull. Today in the aftermath of his pastor’s latest speeches, he’s taking in a lot of water. Reports of his sinking may be premature, we’ll have to see what happens in ID and NC, but the usual Obama tight finish is not happening in either race. He typically outspends her on TV and that helps a lot. He has been able to erase 20-point leads in most states. The race in NC seems to be tightening the other way. The Clinton lead in Indiana seems to be growing slightly. The daily tracking polls released just today show Hillary ahead of Obama for the first time since Super Tuesday. In head to heads Clinton is now beating McCain by 7-10 points and Obama stays in a virtual dead heat with the republican.

Which way is the wind blowing and why?

You may agree or disagree with every word that Rev. Wright speaks. I’ll tell you that after watching the Wright publicity tour over the last four days, he has taught me that there are many, many points of view I was unaware of. If I had had a black experience growing up, I’d feel even more strongly, in favor of Rev. Wright’s ideas. I’m sure of that.

I am equally convinced, however, that Rev. Wright is intentionally hurting Obama. Call it payback or something along psychological lines, but he’s doing it on purpose, whatever his reasons may be. Everytime Wright is on TV it hurts Obama. Making race the #1 issue in this campaign is death. Obama is not going to survive this.

The aptly named Joe Sixpack asks, “How, exactly, is Wright taken out of context?” 

I will endeavor to be precise for our beer drinking friend.

The looped sound-bite had Wright shouting, “Not God Bless America.  God Damn America!”  The implication is that Wright hates and wants God to condemn the very nation Obama seeks to lead.

The sound-bite was culled from a lengthy sermon in which Wright, citing Biblical passages, said that God does not “bless” everything; that there are things He curses. “God does not bless gang-bangers.  God does not bless dope dealers.  God does not bless young thugs who hit old ladies….God does not bless the killing of babies.”  His critique was not of America, the country or its people, but of the actions of governments when they lie, when they fail their own people and when they kill innocents as part of imperial conquests—[which, I would add, our government has done in Iraq, first by insisting on a thirteen year U.N. sanctions regime resulted in the deaths of some 500,000 Iraqi children (Madeleine Albright, Clinton’s Sec. of State said, “it was worth it) and now an estimated 1.1 million Iraqis as the result of our unprovoked imperial conquest and occupation.  But then when one looks back on U.S. history, one understands that none of this is new.  After all, our government decimated the Native American population as part of its westward expansion under the blatantly racist doctrine of Manifest Destiny).

In his sermon, Wright specifically mentioned not only U.S. imperialism.  He referenced the Roman and British empires, the German and Russian quests for Empire.  What he was saying is that God does not bless atrocity—and that is fundamentally different from the simplistic “Wright hates America” message that the propagandists who assembled the looped sound-bite conveyed and that the gullible, that means you Joe, swallowed.

Wright also portrayed 9/11 as a case of blowback occasioned by U.S. imperialism.  Amongst academics,  this is a readily accepted thesis.  It is far less controversial then George Bush’s “They hate us for our freedoms.”  What is more troubling is the question of whether our current neoconservative effort to impose U.S. hegemony over the whole of the oil rich Middle East will lead to new retaliatory strikes on U.S. soil, as our belligerent and deadly foreign conquests create new generations of terrorists.

You’re dead wrong. How, exactly, is Wright taken out of context? The last four days there’s been nothing BUT context. Funny thing is the more context we get of Wright the more wacky he sounds and the more damage he does to Obama.

The hyphen is not something to run from.  It signifies the breadth of our diversity as compared to the relatively homogenous nations like, say, Norway.  When the hyphen is used, be it Native-American, German-America, Mexican-American or African-American, to name but a few, it signifies respect for cultural differences while at the same time expressing appreciation for the fact that the hyphen doesn’t alter the fact that it is “all” these diverse cultural groups who make up what we call “Americans.”

One of my good friends was born in Egypt. He is now an American citizen. Should I call him an African-American because Egypt is in Africa? Let’s stop this nonsense of ****-American.

Nope he sure isn’t, but I hear he’s open to the idea of VP though. I wonder if Axelrod spit out his coffee when he heard that line…

No one will confuse Rev. Wright’s words with Obama’s. They might wonder about those ‘secret’ meetings in the basement though. Like the morning of the Campaign Kickoff. Wright was ‘uninvited” to the PUBLIC part of the day but still met and prayed with Obama in his words, “downstairs”

That’s the biggest problem. Obama can put all the distance he wants between the two but if Wright keeps suggesting that Obama feels one thing and says the other, it’s going to destroy him.

That IS white “settler society” for you, Frostedflakes, and Israel too is essentially another setttler society of ‘white’ European/Russian Jews.

People should be more disturbed by how the corporate media peeled Wright’s remarks out of context to display an inaccurate caricature of Wright as part of a propaganda campaign targeting Obama than with anything Wright had to say.  But I suppose there are plenty of people like Lee who really don’t mind being Swift Boated on the issue since it provides pseudo-justification for those who simply abhor the thought of having an African-American elected pres.

Not all the people are easily fooled by “the media” making an innocent situation a sensational lie.

You’re a lunatic. Take a moment to look at John Hagee, and Pat Robertson actually ran for president himself.

However 92% of blacks do not equate to 35% of whites in Pennsylvania.

Sorry. But you are so wrong!! I am not an Obama supporter, however after this fine display of INTEGRITY that the Clintons have shown , and I do mean both , there is no way that I would vote for her if she is given the nomination. If anything it shows how failed the two-party system is. And if Americans are so stupid that they can be divided when there is so much to lose, they deserve Johnny Mac.

And by the way, when did bitter and elitist, specifically called by one’s peers, become BAD words?

Why is it divisive when a black man addresses true grievances within the American continuuim?  Why are the blacks just supposed to forget about their domestic Diaspora and terror, whereas the American jew is not asked to do the same, and their’s mostly occurred in Europe? Are we sure there’s not some most basic problem underlying this reality?

Bigots Justify hate with more of the same. Your fetish on Wright seems to preclude any reason. Remember he is not running for presidient.

What does it say about the continued validity of the provision in the constitution stating that there shall be no religious test for public office when the corporate media insists on a so-called debate which is designed to force candidates to establish their religious credentials?  Marx had it right.  Religion is indeed the opiate of the masses.

That’s bullshit. You don’t know me. I’ve said over and over I think Wright is right but the average Joe most certainly will not. Don’t confuse yoyr perception of my beliefs with the larger point I try to make. This issue is WAY too complicated to explain to the masses on TV. Therefore it’s going to harpoon the Obama campaign.

I watched Wright’s speech at the NAACP dinner last night. Throughout the speech, Wright kept focusing on the differences between Blacks and Whites, and then unsuccessfully tried to lead to a conclusion of how we have to accept each other’s differences. He even came up with a cockamamy theory of basic ‘right brain’ Whites vs. ‘left brain’ Blacks ... instead of focusing on what we all have in common, including our shared visions as Americans, of unity and equality. Wright is stuck on the past, always trying to justify his and other Black people’s anger, due to historical events. All this does is lead to more divisiveness and polarity between the races. Wright also tried to blame the negative reaction to his sermons on the flamboyant manner in which they’re delivered, avoiding the real reason as being the messages, like ‘the government created AIDS to exterminate the Black race’. Wright’s ‘damage control’ speeches may work among his ‘Black base’, but they come accross to the rest of us as attempts to justify his divisiveness, anger, anti-American rhetoric and racism.

Joe, Rev. Wright is the victim of a corporate media propaganda campaign, and your perception of Rev. Wright is the product of that smear.  See my post above.

Whoever gets the nomination is going to win by something like 50.2% of the democratic vote. That leaves over 49% of democrats deeply dissapointed.

Obama should be trying to unify the party. If he cannot unify us democrats then how will he unify republicans and democrats if elected president? Without that unification neither candidate is going to win in November. Without that unification neither can hope to get the bipartisan support necessary to fix the problems created in the last 8 years.

I’m sure that come November Mr. Obama will have plenty of time to tour the country on the speaker circuit giving rousing speaches on race and the state of the racial divide in America. Being out there front and center talking about race is not going to get Obama elected dog catcher, much less president of the United States.

It’s one thing to run as a black man in a racially intolerent nation on a theme of Hope and Change. It’s quite another to run as a black man in a racially intolerent nation on a theme of healing the racial divide. While most can agree we need to change the course of the nation’s economy, the war, taxes, spending, balanced budget, poverty, jobs, and on and on. No one believes that race is even in the top 10 of important issues in this campaign. Having it thrust upon the electorate (rightly or wrongly) is not working and will be doom for the campaign in the fall. It’s impossible to get elected on Hope and Change when you spend all day, every day defending your position on race and defending the outspoken pastor of your church for the last 20 years.

Could it also be that a little ‘tough talk’ is what a woman needs to do to be taken seriously?

Hillary wants to bring the troops home. Some will call her a traitor and one who is aiding and abbetting the terrorists by withdrawing from Iraq. She needed to show that she is tough enough to be President and by using cold war concepts to make a point about mid east policy also displays her grasp of foreign policy.

Tough talk doesn’t mean she’s running for Emperor.

Oh Felicity…

“I would like you to get that Hillary has used Wright to label Obama a militant black man - militant being the pejorative word.”

Can you explain to me exactly how Hillary has USED Wright to label Obama? I believe she said that, “He wouldn’t be my pastor.” How is that labelling Obama as a militant black man?

Now Rush, Hannity, Beck and Ingraham have most certainly tried to do just that.

The old truism about politics is correct. If your opponent is killing himself, get the hell out of the way. I believe she had largely done that. It’s unfair to suggest that Hillary has been out there calling Obama a millitant black man.

Are you suggesting that someone can’t get elected without the black vote?

I disagree. Hillary has consistantly won the largest states with the most electoral votes. I believe she got between 5% to 15% of the African American vote. How does that make her unelectable, exactly?

Obama tells us that American democrats will come together after the nomination is over. Don’t you believe that? Why wouldn’t the AA voters choose Clinton over McCain in large numbers? So if she was only able to sway another 10% of AA voters back to the democrats in the fall, how would she lose the election?

Your premise is that an entire race of people is so completely unified that they couldn’t possibly vote for Hillary in the fall? I disagree. Once the contrasts are shown between Hillary and McCain the choice for most American democrats will be clear and easy.

Votes are never cast in stone. I know you don’t want to think this way, but to be fair ask this. If the Rev. Wright Publicity Tour happened last December instead of the middle of April, then how many of those working class heros in the West would heve voted for Obama? Fair or not, Wright is keeping race the issue in this nomination process. It hurts Obama and the party when Wright is out there in front of the racial divide. TV news and even print now concentrates on contoversey because it is quicker and easier to show the clip of Wright making fun of the way the Kennedy’s speak than to adress the larger issues which may be largely correct. No one questions Wrights love of Christ. People are questioning whether Obama is hiding his true feelings for political gain and Wright seems to support that notion, rightly or wrongly, every time he speaks.

People are getting a much heavier dose of Wright than is good for the Obama campaign. Even the staunchest Obama supporter must realize that Wright is really polorizing this campaign. Instead of clearing the air he is solidifying positions. If you were offended by what was shown in the clips, all the AIDS/Chickens/GD American bullshit, then you wake up this morning seeing MSNBC, FOX and CNN replaying the Kennedy talks funny lines and it hurts more than it helps. Most people who took the time to watch the sermons and the whole Moyer’s interview (like myself) are converts. I think Rev. Wright is 98% or more correct and I agree with the vast majority of what he believes. Sadly the majority of people get “exposed” to the comments in the worst possible light and it hurts Obama when there is a shallow understanding of Rev. Wright.

This guy is torpedoing the good ship Hope. Holding tight to election results from 3 months ago is not realistic. People change their minds and it may hurt the party badly as a result.

On 3/18 Obama said, “If all I knew of Rev. Wright were the snippets that have run on an endless loop…or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react the same way.  But the truth is, that isn’t all I know about the man.”

A number of commentators lavished praise on Obama’s speech as perhaps one of the most significant efforts to bridge the racial divide since Dr. Martin Luther King graced this nation with his eloquence.  Yet others continue to criticize Obama for failing to disassociate himself from his former pastor.  After all, the sound-bite in that loop had Rev. Wright shouting, “Not God Bless America.  God Damn America!”  Didn’t that sound-bite demonstrate that Wright hated the very country Obama seeks to lead?

Actually, no!  What this nation’s finest journalist, Bill Moyers, has done by way of his lengthy interview of Rev. Wright is not only to demonstrate that Jeremiah Wright, the man, is a learned and very reasonable individual; a man who served this nation in the Marine Corps and Navy, even attending to Pres. Johnson during a surgery.  The interview revealed that the looped sound-bit was taken out-of-context; that the caricature depicted by that sound-bite is not just a lie, but a damnable lie.  Wright was not calling on Good to damn America.  His sermon, based on Biblical passages, was that God does not bless everything; that He “curse” things as well.  “God does not bless gang-bangers.  God does not bless dope dealers.  God does not bless young thugs who hit old ladies….God does not bless the killing of babies.”  His critique was not of America, the country or its people, but of “governments” when they lie, when they fail their own people and when they kill innocents as part of imperial conquest, be those governments Roman, British, Russian, German or American.  God did not bless America for carrying out a genocidal campaign against Native Americans as it expanded westward under the racist doctrine of Manifest Destiny.

While Wright did link 9/11 to U.S. imperialism, amongst academics, 9/11 as blow back is not even controversial.  Wright is by no means the first African-American minister to criticize the quest for Empire.  During his 4/1/67 “Beyond Vietnam” speech, Dr. King condemned “the glaring contrast between poverty and wealth” and warned a “nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.

^ down at the bottom of this article.  Bill Boyarsky makes this comment which I find amazing, given he’s analyzing this primary. 
“Post-Pennsylvania journalistic analysis and punditry made much of the fact that Obama did not win an element of the white vote considered to be blue collar, a classification I have always found hard to define.”
Hard to define?  My god, if one spends 1 hour in a factory and talks to more than 1 “blue collar” (not someone with a “white collar” hello!) worker, it’s pretty hard to miss the point!  I think Bill just lost the last of his credibility with me.  Jeez, lets get real here, huh!

^ glad you liked it.

Oh, felicity, you can tell BO that he can thank Wright for exactly that! They did it to themelves, uhh. As imperfect as whites, you might say….....

Douglas, I would like you to get that Hillary has used Wright to label Obama a militant black man - militant being the pejorative word.  It may not turn you off or turn me off, no matter, it frightens a lot of other people.  It’s called fear-mongering and by now we should all be familiar with how that can end up electing a Bush.

Some of us are not of the ‘all’, who hate Hillary Clinton because she’s rich and white.

Some of us dislike her because she’s arrogant, mendacious, ‘more of the same’, full of herself, full of s**t, and therefore damned annoying, at a minimum.

Look, I will defer the number game to anyone of you,  numbers just not my cup of tea, can we see more issues?  Suprised some of the standard factoid Hillary crowed   is not here. Just maybe they do not like the numbers?

And as a veteran who’s been called unpatriotic by the willfully ignorant with no military service, who have the same kind of double speak idea of patriotism as you apparently do—try enlightening yourself with some reading about the Good Rev. Wright.
chicagotribune.com
By Lawrence Korb and Ian Moss
April 3, 2008
In 1961, a young African-American man, after hearing President John F. Kennedy’s challenge to, “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country,” gave up his student deferment, left college in Virginia and voluntarily joined the Marines.
In 1963, this man, having completed his two years of service in the Marines, volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. (They provide medical assistance to the Marines as well as to Navy personnel.)
The man did so well in corpsman school that he was the valedictorian and became a cardiopulmonary technician. Not surprisingly, he was assigned to the Navy’s premier medical facility, Bethesda Naval Hospital, as a member of the commander in chief’s medical team, and helped care for President Lyndon B. Johnson after his 1966 surgery. For his service on the team, which he left in 1967, the White House awarded him three letters of commendation.
What is even more remarkable is that this man entered the Marines and Navy not many years after the two branches began to become integrated.
While this young man was serving six years on active duty, Vice President Dick Cheney, who was born the same year as the Marine/sailor, received five deferments, four for being an undergraduate and graduate student and one for being a prospective father. Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, both five years younger than the African-American youth, used their student deferments to stay in college until 1968. Both then avoided going on active duty through family connections.
Who is the real patriot? The young man who interrupted his studies to serve his country for six years or our three political leaders who beat the system? Are the patriots the people who actually sacrifice something or those who merely talk about their love of the country?
After leaving the service of his country, the young African-American finished his final year of college, entered the seminary, was ordained as a minister, and eventually became pastor of a large church in one of America’s biggest cities.
This man is Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the retiring pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, who has been in the news for comments he made over the last three decades.
Since these comments became public we have heard criticisms, condemnations, denouncements and rejections of his comments and him.
We’ve seen on television, in a seemingly endless loop, sound bites of a select few of Rev. Wright’s many sermons.
Some of the Wright’s comments are inexcusable and inappropriate and should be condemned, but in calling him “unpatriotic,” let us not forget that this is a man who gave up six of the most productive years of his life to serve his country.
How many of Wright’s detractors, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly to name but a few, volunteered for service, and did so under the often tumultuous circumstances of a newly integrated armed forces and a society in the midst of a civil rights struggle? Not many.
While words do count, so do actions.
Let us not forget that, for whatever Rev. Wright may have said over the last 30 years, he has demonstrated his patriotism.
Lawrence Korb and Ian Moss are, respectively, Navy and Marine Corps veterans. They work at The Center For American Progress. Korb served as assistant secretary of Defense in the Reagan administration.
Copyright © 2008, Chicago Tribune
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0404wrightapr03,0,2263127,print.story

Myronh: Why should anyone with any common sense and compassion for our fellow beings stand quietly by while we destroy the lives and homes of innocent Iraqis, kill or ruin the lives of American soldiers, and watch our economy being ruined by ruthless profiteers..?”

Yeah, I agree with those words….. but NOT the other “let’s all hate Hillary Clinton because she’s rich and white” ones, uhh…....

In the end, Wright asked for it!

Lee, just to quote your initial posting, and why I headed mine the way I did in response to what seemed a racist posting on your part—that may not have been your intent, but it sure sounded racist to me.
“BLACK RACISM ...
Obama and his close supporters are anti-American,
anti-Semitic racists! If Obama had any character,
integrity, or leadership, he would have either stood
up to Wright, Farrakan, Lee, etc., or got up and walked
out of the church over 20 years ago! “
Or is that not your posting?—did someone hijack your identity?  And what kind of anti-semitism are you referring to?  Anti-Jewish, or Anti-Arab anti-semitism.  Personally, I was disgusted by Hillary Clinton’s anti-semitic denigration of the Palestinian struggle for rights to self-governance, self-determination, dignity & liberty by uniformly supporting Israel’s position just so she can get some votes.

I am tired of hearing the same condemning comments about Reverend Wright and blasting Obama for not joining in on the condemnation. What ever happened to Freedom of Speech? I am a 73-year old native born white who happens to strongly endorse Reverend Wright’s comments. Why should anyone with any common sense and compassion for our fellow beings stand quietly by while we destroy the lives and homes of innocent Iraqis, kill or ruin the lives of American soldiers, and watch our economy being ruined by ruthless profiteers?

As long as our Government insists on joining religion and government and use the phrase “God Bless America” I will continue to endorse the corrected phrase “God Damn America”. Let’s keep God in the church and the home; not in our government, schools or other public institutions.

This election brohaha is just a damned shame.

If Obama had just taken the advice at the very start of his campaign, to join Michael Jackson in his milk baths, or whatever the hell he uses as his ‘black cure’, all these problems would never have arisen.

‘White vote’ vs. ‘Black vote’ is nonsense.

American voters don’t listen to or understand discussion of issues. They look at how a candidate does his/her hair, what clothes they wear, what pins they have on, and most important, whether they ‘look like’ someone with whom they can ‘identify’.

And they instinctively distrust someone who appears ‘smarter’ than they are (which explains why Bush almost won a couple of times). Which is a tough hurdle for candidates, considering that the average American IQ, after decades of ‘dumbing-down’ in the US skool system, hovers around 75 (based on the old IQ test, when people were brighter).

So if Obama looked lighter, acted dumber, wore sh*t-kickin’ boots, slightly mussed hair, a big American flag tied around his exposed dick, and spoke in malapropisms, he’d be a shoe-in.

(Probably wouldn’t hurt if he drooled a little, too)

Quote Lee: “If Obama had any character or leadership, he would have spoken up against what Wright said 20 years ago, or left the racist church ... plain and simple…”

He has also just stated that everyone should just accept what the judge “handed down” in the Bell wedding slaying -  as a true legalist would…...!?!?

Things are now starting to get complicated….....

So very well said!

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/25/sean.bell.trial/index.html

An “influential” legal decision…. but this is the white vote still being decreed against blacks having a vote (or a black person to vote for!).......

Acquittals in groom’s shooting spark outrage:-

“What we saw in court today was not a miscarriage of justice,” the Rev. Al Sharpton said on his radio program. “Justice didn’t miscarry,” he said. “This was an abortion of justice. Justice was aborted.”

Obama is still winning. I haven’t called you a racist so much as called out your words as racially prejudiced. There is a difference. I love Obama for exposing the continual wounds of racial bias in America because we need to remind ourselves we are ALL Americans.

Re: Aegrus and David Veteran

I’m sorry if one or another minority group has had a difficult past. This time, you two are saying that Black people have had a difficult time, therefore we are obligated to elect one of them to be the President of the United States ... even if your candidate was joined at the hip with an anti-American racist for 20 years ... even if he is a junior senator with minimal accomplishments in the senate ... even if he initially ran as the unifier, only to be the most divisive candidate in recent memory ... even if he claims to be above race, but pledged allegiance to the ‘black values system’ ... and, after 20 years with Wright, plus video tape of his anti-American racism, you insult our intelligence, by telling us it’s ok because it was taken out of context ... or, that WE are misinterpreting Wright, or that Obama never heard Wright’s disgusting rhetoric over 20 years ... or it’s the media’s fault ... or, finally out of desperation you’re now actually defending the ugly words from Wright.

Then, you try to down play his terrible judgement for having associated with extremely questionable characters for 20 years. You assume a condescending position of entitlement for yourselves, as well as your candidate. And, then you sink to the obnoxious level of calling your opponents nasty names plus accusations of racism.

Well ... it’s obvious that like Obama, you both lack character, ethics, maturity, and judgement ... so, the only thing you have to fall back on is words.

You further insult our intelligence by telling us not to believe what we see and hear on video tape, but instead you tell us we should just listen to what you say. Well, that’s what you’re doing with Obama and Wright ... you’re choosing to believe what they are telling you, instead of believing what they have actually done for the past 20 years, as well as what they are saying and doing on video, before your very eyes and ears. That makes the two of you gullible fools ... and now you’re angry because we are not willing to join you as gullible fools. Nor are half of the democrats plus all of the republicans ... that means a hell of a lot more people in America disagree with you, than agree with you. And, as more information comes out about you relatively unknown candidate, Obama, his favorable ratings are sinking.

If Obama had any character or leadership, he would have spoken up against what Wright said 20 years ago, or left the racist church ... plain and simple.

You can go on calling me all the names you want. You do it so often, and to so many other people, that it has lost all meaning or impact.

Thankyou for the clarified summation, excellent.

Obama’s minister was patriotic enough to enlist in the Marines and serve with distinction during the Vietnam war. He is one of the most respected pastor’s in Chicago and has served his community well. Contrast that with the Hannity’s and Limbaugh’s of the world who never served one day in the military, yet feel free to accuse others of not being patriotic. Wright is the true patriot, who also knows that his country treated blacks with dishonor for hundreds of year, treated the native indians badly, locked up Japanese Americans, and done other distasteful acts that none of us should be proud of. That doesn’t make us less patriotic to our country. It just means we are better citizens who expect better from our elected leaders.

Whites have been voting for fellow whites for over 225 years so why is it not ok for blacks to vote for fellow blacks and women to vote for other women? Us white guys voted for other white guys for a long time. Bill Boyarsky did not need to state the obvious, his point was whether Obama could make serious inroads into the working class white vote, especially men. Personally, I have seen indications of both huge white support for Obama and a lot of whites who do still exhibit racist behavior and would never vote for a black person. I believe America is changing for the better, but we still have pockets of extreme ignorance in this country, that we can’t deny, since we see it with our own eyes every day.

See, the main reasons given for supporting either candidate are the following:

Obama - Anti-War

Hillary - Experienced

One is an issue, and the other is a talking point. This gets to the heart of the issue of the rudeness perpetrated against Obama in relation to actual issues being discussed. It really is a battle of Old and New Politics.

Or that would be a fair enough heading to your “Black Racists!” screed. 
If you were black,(maybe you are, but I doubt it), do you think you may be excited, hopeful?  Do you think hundreds of years of slavery and oppression left a scar?  Seriously, do you think people born as White Upper Middle Class Women in America are really that discriminated against?  Oppressed?  Check out the prison numbers—black men vs. white women. That is right now, even if you don’t count history. And some black racism does exist, believe me I know, but how would you feel?  Personally, I resent some of the wierd feeling I get living in a black neighborhood, but unfortunately I have the same skin color as a whole lot of mean ass bigoted jerks, and it is the whole sorry history of racism and oppression that led us here that I resent. 
  Personally, I suspect that most blacks are like me (a white guy) in their support of Obama—he makes good sense.  He is clearly intelligent, charming, sensible—-and most importantly, unlike Hillary, he opposed this war from the beginning.  As a veteran who gives a damn about Americans AND Foreigners, I don’t want a president of the United States so stupid/gullible/conniving/or in cahoots with GW Bush Inc. that he/she backed this unecessary, illegal, fascist aggression called the Iraq War! & that’s why I oppose Hillary, not because I’m white, not because I’m a man. 
    But more than opposing Hillary I SUPPORT Obama. His obvious strengths that set him apart, put him in an elite category in the best way, even if we didn’t have such a messed up discourse in this country.  But things are messed up here and he comes from the MOST OPPRESSED group in America, & he lived in a Muslim country, he has the greatest opportunity to unify, to lead, and to heal, here and abroad.  Imagine that.

Obama and his close supporters are anti-American,
anti-Semitic racists! If Obama had any character,
integrity, or leadership, he would have either stood
up to Wright, Farrakan, Lee, etc., or got up and walked
out of the church over 20 years ago!

Here is just another example of BLACK RACISM from black pastors:
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/reverend-eric-lees-anti-s emitism-a-personal-story-video/

^ presume that racism plays no part in American politics?  Especially in this present election process?  Of course racism plays a role, silly!  It’s the natural course of events in the USA.  Because we have both a woman and a black man running, racism comes to the fore!

So, blacks who vote for Obama are racist and whites who vote for Hillary are racist? Is that what you’re saying? Or are you just upset our Americans with a darker complexion are allowed to vote?

^ article.  Bye the way; blue collar is not rocket science, okay?  It’s easy; many factory workers wear “light blue work shirts”, thus blue collar.  The other common preference is a hickory shirt.  In the past blue collar has been predominately non-college educated, but that demographic is changing, albeit slowly.  Many now hold 2 year Associate degrees due to the increasing role of high-tech machinery in all aspects of manufacturing.  Due to their declining numbers due to declining manufacturing jobs makes them less and less relevant in the U.S.  Blue collar workers can usually spot a phony pretty quickly.  Clintons chameleon like performances are very likely to bite her in the ass. 
Your numbers have limited value for me because I do not think this nominating process is honest or for that matter sane.  The dems have the single most convoluted, fucked up, nominating process known to humans.  The ensuing insanity is way too much for this very discouraged non-partisan human.  But, you have a job to do, so carry on.