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 Newsmax/Zogby Poll: Deadlocked in PennsylvaniaPosted on Apr 17, 2008
UTICA, New York—With just five days left before Democratic primary voters go to polls to decide whom they want to be their presidential nominee, Hillary Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois are locked in a battle that is too close to call, the latest Newsmax/Zogby telephone poll shows.
The survey, which was conducted April 15-16 and came out of the field midway through Wednesday’s contentious debate between the two candidates in Philadelphia, shows Clinton at 45 percent and Obama at 44 percent, with 12 percent either wanting someone else or left undecided.
The telephone survey, conducted using live operators working out of Zogby’s on-site call center in upstate New York, included 601 likely Democratic primary voters in Pennsylvania. It carries a margin of error of plus/minus 4.1 percentage points. Advertisement
Percentages may not add up to 100 percent due to rounding. Pollster John Zogby—“This is not a year for negative campaigning and Clinton’s pounding of Obama on his controversial description of small-town voters in Pennsylvania does not seem to be working. Obama leads in the Philadelphia and eastern part of the commonwealth; among African-Americans and [among] very liberal Pennsylvanians. He also has a slight lead among voters in union households and has an 18-point margin [among] those who have lost a job. Clinton maintains her lead among whites, Catholics, liberals and Hispanics. “The gender gap is huge, with Obama leading among men by 15 and Clinton leading among women by 15. But Clinton holds a wide advantage on the question of understanding Pennsylvania (58 percent-27 percent) and handling the economy of the country (47 percent-38 percent). She also is ahead in understanding the personal financial situation of individuals (41 percent-35 percent). “On the other hand, Pennsylvanians by a two-to-one margin (60 percent to 29 percent) are more likely to agree with supporters of Obama that voters in Pennsylvania are bitter about their economic situation than with Clinton and critics of Obama that he is an elitist who does not understand working people.
“On the key question of who they would rather have a beer with: Clinton 38 percent, Obama 39 percent—with 15 percent undecided.” A key demographic group that has changed its mind in the last week is Democratic voters age 35 to 54, who just one week ago favored Clinton by a 45 percent to 40 percent margin. Now, Obama leads among those voters by a 47 percent to 41 percent edge. Clinton leads among voters older than age 54, while Obama leads among the younger set. Among men, Obama holds what has come to be a predictable advantage, leading with 50 percent support, compared to 35 percent for Clinton. But Clinton makes up for it among women—also a predictable support group for her—leading by a 53 percent to 38 percent margin. Among “very liberal” Democratic Party voters, Obama leads, while Clinton leads among mainline liberals. Among moderates, the two are deadlocked, while Clinton has an edge among conservative Democratic voters.
Among whites and Hispanics, Clinton holds double-digit leads, while Obama holds a huge lead among African-Americans, winning 82 percent support.
Two issues were dominant in the minds of these voters, with the economy far and away the most important to voters in deciding whom to support; 54 percent said it was at the top of their list. The Iraq war was a distant second, with all other issues winning just a passing notice from the likely voters.
Asked which candidate was most likely to improve the respondent’s personal financial situation, Clinton won 41 percent, compared to 35 percent who said Obama would be tops. Six percent identified someone else, while 19 percent said they were unsure.
On the question of which candidate would be most likely to improve the U.S. economy, Clinton also held an advantage, winning 47 percent to 38 percent. Men favored Obama, while women favored Clinton. Voters Believe Clinton Understands Pennsylvania Better The Newsmax/Zogby survey asked likely Democratic primary voters which candidate they believed understands Pennsylvania better, and Clinton was seen to be far more understanding of the state. While 58 percent said she better understood the Keystone State, just 27 percent said Obama had a better grip on it. This comes nearly a week after Obama, speaking to an audience in San Francisco, said that Pennsylvanians cling to their religion and to guns out of bitterness over bad economic times. The comment has drawn a significant backlash, and Obama has been explaining his comments ever since. But the issue has apparently had little impact on the broader head-to-head contest, as Obama has closed the lead Clinton enjoyed for some time. The survey also asked specifically about the controversy, asking likely voters whether they agreed with the Obama critics who have said the comments show he is an elitist who does not understand working people and their problems; 29 percent agreed. But 60 percent said they agreed with Obama supporters who have said he is simply telling the truth about people who are suffering from the results of economic policies in Washington. For a detailed methodology statement on this survey, please visit: (4/17/2008)
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By TDoff, April 19, 2008 at 9:09 am Link to this comment
Has anyone stopped to consider how many generations of fruit flies will have lived and died during this interminable dragging-out of the foregone conclusion that Obama is going to be the Democratic nominee?
I mention fruit flies because, as described in the May ‘08 issue of Scientific American, Hillary and fruit flies have extremely similar genome sets.
Report thisBy TDoff, April 19, 2008 at 5:01 am Link to this comment
And what about that rumor that William Jefferson Clinton has joined the vast majority of his old administration members and is endorsing Barack Obama?
Report thisBy TDoff, April 19, 2008 at 4:49 am Link to this comment
In this morning’s HuffPo report of Hillary’s assault on MoveOn and it’s members, it’s clear that her campaign, and she herself, has reached a crisis, a turning point.
For she has run out of feet to shoot off, whatever will she do for the few minutes left in her campaign?
It’ll be fun to watch Chelsea dueling with reporters who ask her to explain why her mother divorced her father and married Janet Reno on the rebound. A large part of whatever funds are assigned to the new universal health program will be required to establish a semblance of balance in poor Chelsea’s psyche.
Ah, Hillary, Hillary, perhaps it’s time to rent as asp and clutch it to your bosom.
Report thisBy TDoff, April 19, 2008 at 4:00 am Link to this comment
In politics, as in real life itsownself, timing is everything.
Had Hillary just had the patience to delay her inane ambition to be president until 2016, when a larger percentage of the population would have been beer-swilling, post-menopausal, ex-‘chicks’, she would have had a chance of making it a close race.
And if she had had the presence of mind to STFU while on the campaign trail. Of course, the she wouldn’t have been Hillary, would she?
Report thisBy blueshift, April 18, 2008 at 2:20 pm Link to this comment
He’s the Bob Shrum of pollsters.
Report thisBy cyrena, April 18, 2008 at 12:50 pm Link to this comment
Christopher Robin..
Thanks for the link to Hillary’s Lies. Very well done.
Here are some more with a more positive message. Besides, I love the music.
American Men for Obama
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=NPjXqkZXbQ4
American Women for Obama (and a few American girls too)
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=AoKPnhdv8Yo
Here’s another one…
Oh Yeah….
We deserve a change…past due
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZsk02u29UQ&NR=1
(love the music on this one as well)
Report thisBy cyrena, April 18, 2008 at 9:25 am Link to this comment
Oh Outraged…you are SOOO good! Oh yeah!
If this isn’t enough to keep Lee busy, (because those same old lame postings of the black value system were old and lame before he started plastering them all over the internet) then of course nothing will.
But of course you know he isn’t going to investigate any of THIS stuff on Hillary, since his life committment is to posting the same old lame shit about a black values system, and the Nation of Islam that Obama does not have an association to, and never has.
Matter of fact, anyone who has ever taken the time to trace the NOI back to it’s origins and that crazy founder who thought aliens were gonna come from outer space doesn’t take it too seriously either. That’s not to say that Mal X didn’t have the overall gist of the principles back in the day, but then that’s probably why they (maybe) had him assassinated.
Be that as it may, THESE are the things that we need to know about Hillary…that ‘fellowship’ that is just as crazy (and probably far more dangerous) than the NOI ever was, not to mention the connection to the BCCI and all of the other corrupt ties that bind forever.
And, that’s why it also doesn’t matter that Lee will never bother to check any of this out. It’s far more important that the REST OF US KNOW THIS STUFF.
(wasn’t that piece from the democraticunderground a mind opener? Very impressive.)
Oh..meant to tell you earlier..I got a subscription/membership for globalresearch. That is such a helpful website. Thanks again for the links as reminders to my senior moments.
Report thisBy ann stuntz, April 18, 2008 at 8:14 am Link to this comment
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Dems don’t lose sight of the goal: the White House!
Report thisAll this crying about let the citizens choose is fodder for the Republicans—-IT IS NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO VOTE IN ANY PRIMARY ELECTION—your vote is not going to decide this—-the superdelegates will. All this fighting is making BOTH of our candidates look bad and giving Republicans ammunition and causing some Dems to become disgusted enough to vote Republican. I am afraid Republicans will be voting in our primaries to help themselves by keeping this fight going. THINK, PEOPLE, DO YOU REALLY WANT REPUBLICANS CHOOSING OUR CANDIDATE? DO YOU REALLY WANT THIS TO GO ON JUST SO YOU CAN GET TO CAST A NONDECIDING VOTE JUST TO LOSE THE WHITE HOUSE—-IS IT WORTH IT? BECAUSE IF REPUBLICANS WIN, YOUR VOICE WILL MATTER MUCH LESS THAN.
By Expat, April 18, 2008 at 7:42 am Link to this comment
^ do that.
Report thisBy jackpine savage, April 17, 2008 at 7:46 pm Link to this comment
At least in Aegrus’s world, he uses his own words.
Report thisBy Outraged, April 17, 2008 at 4:13 pm Link to this comment
I see the second link hasn’t pasted over correctly, I’m reposting it.
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html
Report thisBy Outraged, April 17, 2008 at 3:57 pm Link to this comment
They certainly do Lee. The only problem is Clinton never HAS TO answer ANY questions. It is an incrimination of the mainstream media that questions concerning Clinton are not even ASKED.
Why not any questions about the Richardson issue to Clinton? Why no inquiry concerning the Mark Penn fiasco? What about the Hsu affair? What of the allegations concerning the thrice-convicted felon Peter Paul and that fund-raising activity. What about Clintons suspect associations with the fundamentalist group known as The Fellowship and also called the family? Why no inquiry into the suspect associations of the family such as; Suharto, John Ashcroft, Rick Santorum, and Brazilian dictator General Costa e Silva? Why not one question to Clinton regarding her SILENCE concerning the 200,000+ votes cast in Ohio, Texas and Mississippi by Republicans in her name? Why nothing addressing the release of the supposed Muslim picture of Obama? Why no question of her involvement with Delta, Land and Pine and the Rose Law Firm? Where was the inquiry into her association with BCCI (Bank of Commercial Credit Int.) a known front company for laundering dirty money for the Saudis, Pakistanis and others?
Where are these questions…? What is “The Fellowship”....
“Coes friends include former Attorney General John Ashcroft, Reaganite Edwin Meese III, and ultraconservative Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Pa.). Under Coes guidance, Meese has hosted weekly prayer breakfasts for politicians, businesspeople, and diplomats, and Pitts rose from obscurity to head the House Values Action Team, an off-the-record network of religious right groups and members of Congress created by Tom DeLay. The corresponding Senate Values Action Team is guided by another Coe protégé, Brownback, who also claims to have recruited King Abdullah of Jordan into a regular study of Jesus teachings.
The Fellowships long-term goal is a leadership led by Godleaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit. According to the Fellowships archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowships God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coes Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillar ys-prayer.html
Link for info. on the Clinton involvement with BCCI:
Report thishttp://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg/347
You want to check out SUSPECT ASSOCIATIONS, check these out, Lee.
By TDoff, April 17, 2008 at 3:46 pm Link to this comment
Save a little time, save a little money, save us all a lot of irritating aggravation.
Throw both the Democratic candidates into a deep mud pit and see which one overcomes the other and crawls out, THE CANDIDATE.
Report thisBy Just Me, April 17, 2008 at 3:29 pm Link to this comment
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ROMANS 12:10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; In honour preferring one another
EPHESIANS 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
I believe that a man(or woman)should be judged by their acts and deeds not by the implications made by others.
Report thisBy Lee, April 17, 2008 at 3:02 pm Link to this comment
ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!
Obama supporters keep suggesting that Obama has ALREADY
answered the question about his 20 year close
association with his racist anti-American
friend/mentor/advisor/pastor
Jeremiah Wright ... however, there are millions of
us who do not feel that a few speeches equal 20
years of actual participation with Wright. In addition, Obama
chose to pledge allegience to the radical church’s
‘Black Values System” ... and to this day, Obama
continues to attend this church, with the same
‘Black Values System’, and a new preacher who
is easily as radical as Wright. If a white candidate
pledged allegience to a ‘White Values System’
for 20 years, the media would rake him over the
coals.
I WANT A PRESIDENT WHO REPRESENTS ALL AMERICANS
Here is Pastor Wright’s ‘Black Value System’
posted at his website. This is what Barak Obama
pledged an oath to for the past 20 years:
http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html
Pastor Wright gave Louis Farakan a life time
achievement award. Here is what Louis Farakan believes:
Posted at his own website.
http://www.noi.org/muslim_program.htm
AMERICANS JUDGE FOR YOURSELVES ...
Report thisBy Gmonst, April 17, 2008 at 2:43 pm Link to this comment
Bert, Aegrus is right. Spin it as you will, but Obama has a lead large enough to stand through the rest of the contests. Its my prediction that she will win Pennsylvania by about 10% or so and it will be the biggest victory she will get before the end. She may get similar numbers in a few other states, but in the end even 10% victories in all the rest of the states will still have her behind by nearly 100 delegates. I would say your response to Aegrus is more appropriately applied to the leaps of logic you need to believe that Hillary still has a realistic chance.
Report thisBy Gmonst, April 17, 2008 at 2:29 pm Link to this comment
As much as I want Obama to win in Pennsylvania and elsewhere, the polls this year have proven time after time that they are virtually meaningless in their predictions. I try to take them all with a very large grain of salt.
Report thisBy bert, April 17, 2008 at 1:55 pm Link to this comment
And in Aegrus world up is down, white is black, right is wrong, and 2+2=7.
Yeah Obama!!!!
Report thisBy Christopher Robin, April 17, 2008 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment
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It might be this?
“Bosnia and Back Again, starring Sen.Hillary Clinton”
YouTube 3:15 mins.
A video news clip walk, through a few of her “misspeaks” from 1992 to present.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exsmFDYyK4U&eurl=http://www.jedreport.com/2008/04/bosnia-and-back.html
Report thisBy weather, April 17, 2008 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment
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by design polls can be purposefully specious, flawed and influenced by skewed results.
Results motivated through thoughtful stated questions - out of context, a question germane to a poll is quantified as a cow chip.
Vote by absentee ballot, this isn’t Kansas anymore.
Report thisBy BobZ, April 17, 2008 at 1:06 pm Link to this comment
American may finally have had it with negative politics. Every time Clinton tries to capitalize on a “gotcha” question, it seems to backfire on her. It may be her facial language that make he look like she enjoys sticking it to the other candidate. Obama is truly trying to run and above board campaign and the voters seem to appreciate that. At least I hope so. Personally I am sick of the way we are prevented from hearing a discussion of the issues.
Report thisBy Aegrus, April 17, 2008 at 11:27 am Link to this comment
Win or Lose, it’s Obama Victory!!!!
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