I do not see many of the Hillary supporters here protecting their man Penn?  Is it possible they did not like what he had to offer? If Hillary chooses people like Penn, this does not look very good for the experienced candidate.  What would we expect in to see in the Hillary Whitehouse? 

Integrity of Obama shows in how he handled the Wright problem, how he supported his friend of 20 years, his speech after the controversy was exceptional.

Did Hillary give a speech after moving Penn to the closet, somehow I missed it?

As pointed out by another poster, Penn isn’t gone...not even close.  It should also be pointed out that he isn’t the only staffer on the campaign to have close ties to the Colombian Free Trade deal.  Wolfsen, Ickes, and others are knee deep in it too.

Clinton is merely campaigning to the base; she can’t throw them under the bus until she wins.  Besides, Penn makes a good scapegoat for her inability to beat a no-name, dark-skinned, supposedly Muslim, American hating, first-term Senator.  It couldn’t, after all, be her fault, now could it?

Ej, used the change word, forsaking the political fornicators. Oh, woe is them!

Integrity, something not need to be president, look at the last eight years.

EJ the fact that she is on the wrong side of every issue relevant to democratsa of course had nothing to do with her demise.Go for the esoteric instead of the obvious.The only thing keeping her relevant in democratic primaries was her gender and association with Bill Clinton.The fact that she was a viable contender being on the wrong side of so many issues that are near and dear to democrats is amazing feat.I know to you EJ her positions mean nothing and it is all Machiavellian strategy that wins or loses elections but many democrats actually care about the issues and in good conscience cannot vote for Hillary Clinton.

I would have to say that EJ has called this pretty much smack dab on the mark, in so far as how and why Hillary has lost, at least without the future terrorizing of the superdelegates, which of course continues on. (so anything is possible, but just not probable without some ‘fixing’.)

I also had to laugh out loud at the names of some of the groups that were arranged for the purposes of utilizing the advertising and other major manipulation themes that have always worked so well in the past. Like this…

• “His book described more than 70 trend groups with pithy names such as “Modern Mary Poppinses,” “Social Geeks,” “Archery Moms,” “Shy Millionaires” and “Numbers Junkies.””

Ah…’trend groups’. Now which one of these do we think bert and lib are in. How about Maani. “Archery Moms” for lib maybe? Humm, just a guess. And where do we put Maani? He must be a “Social Geek”. I was gonna fit him in with the “Shy Millionaires” but he’s hardly shy. So, maybe one of this group:

• “One of Penn’s groups, “Impressionable Elites,” proved to be mightily impressed with Barack Obama”…

Yep, I think he might have been one of the “Impressionable Elites” that got all disgruntled when the others defected, so he crossed over into the “Social Geeks” group, and took up the cause…BIG TIME. Now of course we know where to put bert. She’s definitely in the “Number’s Junkies” group. Maani probably gets to those group meetings as well. Talk about spinning numbers from the deepest wells of denial. Yep…bert is a pro with the numbers rhetoric. She’s got Hillary ‘decisively’ winning Super Tuesday, (she didn’t) and she’s still claiming a ‘win’ for her in Texas, (another case of denial) and so it goes. Lib of course is looking for an out, so she’s ready to lay all the blame at Penn’s feet, despite the fact that if Hillary had the sort of judgment that we really need at this point in time, she would have figured that out herself a long time ago, and did a shakeup before things got this bad. But, she couldn’t, because the bottom line is that it’s all about loyalty between the elites/corps/etc.

But, what it REALLY mostly boils down to, (again poor judgment from the git-go) is what EJ sums up here, and some of us have been making this point for months now…

• “Not all of these problems can be laid at Penn’s feet. But he did come to symbolize a campaign that was much given to infighting and failed to understand the new energies unleashed in the Democratic Party by the reaction against George W. Bush. It did not grasp early enough how much politics has changed since the Clinton ’90s.”..

They absolutely failed to understand, (or ignored) the new energies unleashed in not JUST the Democratic Party, but the ENTIRE populace, as a result of 7 years of a fascist Dick Bush regime. As a result, they did NOT grasp the fact that politics has changed drastically since their first reign, and ASSUMED the inevitability of another Clinton reign. That actually IS understandable, because even 8 years ago, things were very different.

Still, at the end of the day, it was the arrogance of assumption, and the fact that they live in a world apart from us ‘little people’ and just ‘didn’t get’ or DIDN’T CARE, how we’ve all been affected by the past 7 plus years, and the fact that in the same amount of time, as a Senator, Hillary hasn’t much challenged the Dick Bush policies that have kept us on this course heading straight for disaster. (if anything, she gone along with the worst of them, more often than not).

That (unfortunately for her) says a lot about how she would be ‘plugged-in’ to the needs of the nation as it is now, which is NOT what it was 15 years ago. In other words, if she wants to be the president, she needs to know the mood of the populace. That she either doesn’t know or care sounds far too much like what we’ve been suffering under for all of this time.

Bert, please spare me the rhetoric. Saying the MSM is wrong doesn’t add up to much unless you can also show where they are wrong. New Hampshire and Super Tuesday are pretty flimsy evidence to your conclusion. Every candidate is required to say they will stay into the bitter end. John Edwards and Dennis Kucinich made the same claim.

Furthermore, don’t debase my opinions by associating them with the stupidity perpetuated by others. I have never called for Hillary to drop out of the race, and wish her the best. The democratic process will continue, but I have a feeling Hillary will be pulling out early contrary to your bogus “evidence” of previous primary results.

Let everything run its course, but don’t be surprised if I turn out to be correct in my presumption. I’m running about 87-93% prediction accuracy rating this campaign trail. Something Hillary supporters should respect in addition to my fairly objective opinions regarding the two candidates.

Pro-Obama AND Pro-Democracy. What a concept!

Come On Now if We have learned nothing about Hillary in the last 6 yrs (amplified by her Campaign) Is she Can Not Be Trusted.
If her Mouth is Moving - She’s Lying ( doing her JOB for the Incs and the Cheney Doctrine).
Please She’s giving US rectal cancer with all the smoke she’s blown up Our Assses for the last 15 yrs. I was an avid Hillabilly supporter & Defender- for obviously Too long, but my Eyes are Wide Open Now. Seh’s not only been initiated but Crowned by the ‘Shadow’ Gov’t

Penn’s very existence in Hillary’s campaign is an indictment of her integrity and testimony to her hypocrisy.

You write:  “Hillary will be dropping out soon...”

Don’t bet on it Aegrus. Every step of the way many of Obama’s supporters and the MSM have been wishing and hoping this was true.

It is not. She will stay in until the nominee is chosen.

So many times Obama supporters and MSM stated that Obama would wrap up this nomination.

Lets look at the history here.

First Obama supporters and the MSM predicted Obama would win New Hampshire and become the nominee. Didn’t happen. Hillary won.

Then Obama supporters and the MSM said Obama would win Super Tuesday and would wrap up the nomination that night. Again, didn’t happen. Hillary won Super Tuesday decisively.

Then Obama supporters and the MSM said Obama would be able to wrap things up with TX and OH. Again, Obama did not come through. Hillary won again.

Let’s face it Aegrus, this primary election is a virtual tie.

And furthermore Obama cannot win the nomination without the super delegates either. Neither candidate can win the nomination without super delegates.

Obama supporters keep saying how wonderful a campaigner he is and that he has run a better campaign; Obama supporters keep saying how much more money he has raised; Obama supporters keep saying Clinton has too many negatives.

But you know Aegrus, despite all that Hillary has managed to be within 1% in votes and delegates.

IF Obama has run such a good, positive campaign and has way out spent Hillary WHY HASN’T HE WON THIS RACE YET, AND WHY ISN’T HE THE NOMINEE YET?

OBAMA CAN’T WRAP UP THE DEAL. OBAMA CAN’T HIT IT OUT OF THE BALL PARK.

I would postulate that he hasn’t won the nomination for two reasons. 1. He has not run that great a campaign; and 2. voters haven’t finished deciding yet. They want more time to size up both of these candidates.

So Hillary is not going to drop out until someone has 2025. Let the voters – the will of the people – have the last say. It is rightfully their say.

How will Hillary’s position play out in upcoming primaries such as Pennsylvania?

With the Indiana and Pennsylvania primaries approaching, it might be helpful to look again at the heartland state that lies between the two: Ohio.

Eastern Ohio has very similar demographics to the abutting state of Pennsylvania. Western Ohio, likewise, has much in common with neighbors across the state line in Indiana.

Kentucky and West Virginia, to the south, and Michigan, across Ohio’s northern border, also share many of these elements

The article noted below looks at many demographics, histories and psychologies of this region from the point of view of Ohioans, and provides insight about Pennsylvania, Indiana, Kentucky, West Virginia and Michigan:

“Obama faces Ohio hearts and minds”

AmericanChronicle.com
February 28, 2008

http://americanchronicle.com/articles/53747

As I understand it, Penn is no longer the chief strategist; however, he is still active in the campaign. People are asking if this will paint the Clinton Campaign as dysfunctional when it has been so ever since Penn was enlisted. He’s a menace, and no one else in the Clinton Camp other than Hillary and Willy hold him with any esteem. Ridiculousness.

Aegrus, I agree on one thing that Penn should have been gone long ago.  Yes that was a flaw in the Clinton Campaign.  He needs to be totally gone and I don’t think he is yet!!!!!
Again we agree on something!!!!!

I had pointed this out months ago. It doesn’t take a medical degree to diagnose what went wrong with the Clinton campaign this election. She should have wrapped up the nomination before February, but here we are in April with Obama leading. Why? Bad judgment. Anyone who lets Penn do his dirty work is a moron, and the Clintons valued him as a loyalist. It all falls into place.

It’s a shame because Hillary Clinton would be a good president, but she dug herself a six-foot hole with which to be buried when her campaign apparatus wasn’t properly oiled and fine-tuned. She let a big spark plug alone in a hole of much smaller size.

Face it, Hillary will be dropping out soon because there is no way she can completely turn around her campaign to get on message when everything was drenched in Penn up until now. Changing amongst the ranks is never a good sign, especially when that person (whose company does public relations for Blackwater USA) was in charge of pretty much everything up until Clinton’s own approval. No one in Hillary’s top staff appreciated Penn’s work, but he was a “loyalist” and entitled to more attention.

Just lets you realize what kind of bedfellows the Clinton’s keep, and how they don’t realize what diseases they have until they spread it on to a whole lot of other people. Late-game bloomers.