good point
in my 45 years of activism
i’ve known some sweet feminists
and some nasty feminists
they all stood for the sample principles
but i’ve always preferred the sweet ones
ie,
the sweet Obama over nasty Bush, McCain & Lady Hill
the sweet Dennis K. over nasty Tom Delay
the sweet Colin Powell over nasty Rumsfield & Connie R.
the sweet Jimmy C. over the nasty Cheney
etc, etc.
but methinks ‘merikans feel safer with the Nasties in charge.

Two great posts tdbach. Insightful analysis of both Rdv Hillary haters in general.

^ is so unexpected…..and welcome….thanks.  Your words are too kind.  JPS is a good guy.

RdV, you do Hillary - and more important, yourself - a disservice by holding onto a caricature of the woman, investing that illusion with gobs of bile, and a feeding it with every bit of tripe you can find “out there.” The thing is, hate may hurt the hated but it kills the hater. Who cares what “Democratic sites” are saying about Hillary? Who cares if the momentum is all Obama’s? Don’t let that shape your thinking. If you’ve grown weary of the Clintons and the drama – real or imagined – that seems to follow in their wake, fine. Look elsewhere for your political voice. But by regurgitating every trite meme that has ever been contrived about them since they had the audacity to win the presidency just as movement conservatives thought they had Washington in the bag for a generation to come, just energizes her allies and steels her resolve. You get sicker and she marches on.

It’s true. I will be the first to admit it and I don’t deny it. The Clintons, with their endless machinations, are like bad houseguests that don’t have the social skills to know when they’ve worn out their welcome. They need to be forced out the door—the tarring and feathering can be reserved for the Bush crowd. The country, and by extension, the world will wake up to a new horizon of possibilities once the door finally closes on the Bush-Clinton era.
  And hell, look at Ms Clinton’s unfavorables—or take a peek at the Democratic party sites—not even the especially progressive ones—if you want to see an overwhelming, and very often outraged Democratic response against the Clinton machine. It ain’t me that’s in the minority—but I used to be. That sound in the distance is coming closer and growing louder.

I am only commenting so’s I can be sandwiched here between my two favorite thinkers on TD….and I don’t even always agree wit youse…..’-)

Color me Gramma

Strive On Oh Do…

My 82 year old mother, a 45-year+ feminist, long an ARDENT Hilary Clinton supporter (and voter in NYS) who has met and spoken with HRC has recently said she’s finding herself repelled by Clinton’s campaign and drawn to Obama’s.

All she said was “I better keep my mouth shut at my book club!” (lots of other senior women who are ALL ardent HRC supporters).

Boy, you sure don’t waste any time thinking or researching, do you? Clinton is a “nasty person?” Really? And you know this how? Ever met the woman? She’s “a ventriloquest to the patriarchy” too? I’ll be damned. I could have sworn she was “nasty” - which implies bullying, power-abusing. Oh, and she’s “servile to the man!” Ever heard the joke about who wears the pants in the Clinton family?

Look, we get it. You hate her. You’ve swallowed so much kill-Hill-swill over the years that it’s dripping out of your ears. But stomach-turning as the mere mention of her name is to you, you can’t stop reading blogs and commentary that revel in awful she is. You have to admit you enjoy it. And you enjoy piling on. Then you go home and kick your husband in the ass for good measure. Right?

Oh. I don’t know you. How can I say these things? Beg pardon.

^ feminist (long ago).  All isms are a form of discrimination/bias, racism, bigotry and/or chauvinism (redundant?).  Maybe, like all liberation movements, there is a time for it; but then we have to get on with the day to day fight and that’s personal.  My long dead mother’s heroes were Margaret Mead, Margaret Sanger and Margaret Singer.  She (my mom) also helped start the first Planned Parenthood in Portland, Oregon.  My life has always been involved with strong women who didn’t need an ism; they just did what it took.     

JPS; “A good many younger women don’t like “feminism”; why, i don’t know exactly…they seem to have less use for the “battle”.”

Yes, that’s my impression as well.  Maybe they see it for the trap it can be.  But I don’t know either.

IMO true liberation is judging a person on their merit and nothing else.  Anything else is divisive and thereby counterproductive.  Always pick the best “person” for the chosen task.  All in all; I have no use for any ism that I’m aware of; too confining.

Maybe the old school feminists should realize that they’ve succeeded in their battle.  Their daughters do feel like they can do anything, and their sons don’t judge people based on genitalia.

Or maybe it was never about the future, but just more me, me, me.

But if Hillary Clinton is a true feminist…you can count me out of that ism.  My feminist mother got rid of her jackass husband…and she never got a job because her husband was governor or a former President.

A good many younger women don’t like “feminism”; why, i don’t know exactly…they seem to have less use for the “battle”.  Or maybe their mothers were too busy trying to break the glass ceiling to properly indoctrinate them.  Or maybe, as i said above, their mothers succeeded in the long term goal.

Or maybe this is really about a lot of young people figuring that their parents have screwed the world up royally…regardless of sex. (whether the assumption is correct or not)

Clinton is a lousy politician and a nasty person.
As a 53 year old woman I don’t want Clinton—as a ventriloquest to the patriarchy, representing “progress” in the same way that Clarence Thomas or Condoleeza Rice represent progress for Afro-Americans—they are servile to the man. And Clinton is and has always been servile to the man. African-Americans may feel pride in the character of Obama representing them, as a woman I do not feel pride in rallying around Clinton solely on gender due to the fact that her character is so corrupted. And, neither does my 79 year old mother.

{i]Their daughters ,on the other hand, who grew up with greater choices and fewer hurdles, are more willing to say goodbye to all that….

Looks like “daughters” have something to learn yet, too, uhh. Obviously, some have bought the lie that its Bill Clinton’s ‘wife’ running, not a WOMAN in her own right.

Americans are still a little dumb!!! “It’s not always easy to know when you are anchored by the past and when you’re trapped by it…”

Younger people perhaps don’t fully realize how “tied to the past” they are with the Neocon regime and an agenda of 100 year wars…......