This hostile take over of our Economy (thus our Independence) began long ago…Grand daddy of the Swindlers The ‘Federal Reserve’
You need to reiterate that pint about if it’s good for the Corps then it should be good enough for US too. but on the other side of that coin. What we must face should we not pay our (illegally demanded) personal Income Tax on Wages (trade for labor) then Our assests are Frozen then Seized and we are left with what ever they tell US we still Owe them (penalities- financial & incarceration). So again wha tis good for the Goose, Is good for the ‘Ganders’ - Freeze & Seize their crap (right down to the drapes on their Windows)and throw them in Prison till they cough up the Rest of What they Owe US - Otherwise send them off to their Other Creditors for their brand of Justice (just like the secret prisons used for Detainees- Torture Friendly nations)

“By the way: I would like to point out another proof that my position is much more reasonable than yours: you insist that the Iraq war was ONLY for oil and COULD NOT possibly have been for Israel, too. I only insist that the Iraq war was not entirely about oil, and that Israel’s security was a prime reason (and probably the most important on any short list of reasons) for the war.

You see: I have the facts on my side in claiming that Israel was an important reason, and I also do not take a ridiculously absolute position such as yours in claiming that oil was the ONLY reason.”

You miss the point completely . . . a LOT of people WANTED to go to war with Iraq to benefit Israel. The point is that no one would have been insane enough to do that for Israel, no one in charge, that is. Had we no oil there to steal, there would have been no war. Israel notwithstanding. There were many who APPROVED of the war for no reason save Israel’s benefit by eliminating Saddam before he got the cruel sanctions removed and was able to USE HIS OWN OIL to buy arms with which to return the bombing favor bestowed on his nuclear aspirations by Israel.

Put it this way: if there had been no oil, then there would have been no war. You can keep on pretending that Israel is important enough to go to war over, but they are not. No oil, no war. End of story.

“Doesn’t it suck being you, having to fight the facts all the time, Sam?”

No, not really. I’m not stupid enough to believe (as you apparently do) that the Bushitter gang of thugs would do ONE INFINITESIMALLY SMALL thing to promote Israel’s cause in the mideast, let alone go to WAR over anything Israel might do or not do.

Anyone who thinks that there is another reason for our Iraq adventure beyond the oil beneath her sands is just a fool whose slings and arrows won’t bother me a single rch.

It’s about oil; it’s not about anything else, and it never was; if there were no oil there, there would be no US presence there, not one single boot on the ground—-and that dictum includes the Afghan adventure as well: no oil pipeline from the Caspian oil sources, no US boots on the ground.

The above facts may be inconvenient to your made up story about the Israeli mouse who roared, but the only use for Israel is to soften up Lebanon as a port facility to ship oil from the Syria-Lebanon pipeline direct to New Orleans and Galveston via the Med.

And by the way, Zelikow is a fool. Oh, I will admit that Schumer, Feinstein, Wexler, Perle, Wolfawitz, and a number of other AIPAC toadies (including Hillary Clinton) all had THEIR reasons for wanting to go to war in Iraq, BUT ....... their reasons had not one thing to do with our reason for going to occupy Iraq and Afghanistan. You can’t make it about Israel when it never was about Israel to Cheney and his PNAC conspirators. The people who fired up the war machine didn’t care about Israel, and wouldn’t for ONE SECOND have considered a war with Iraq to benefit Israel. If they had cared about Israel, they would have gone to Baghdad at the end of Gulf War One, but they didn’t go because going then would have left the oil in the hands of the UN forever and not under direct control of the USA.

Take your meds and go to bed. Maybe you will one day be able to recognize a fact if one comes and bites you on the posterior.

even the secretary of the treasury Henry M. Paulson, Jr. is asking for regulation of the investment banks. SamSnedegar is so right that most American’s have no idea what investment banks are or what functions they serve, but than that is why we have a government, sadly this is a government that is a willing participant in conivery and chicanery. And again Sam is right on the money when he says that the average stock-holder is being screwed along with the myriad of investors in mortgages. But not the CEO’s..Caynes is sitting in his new 25 million dollar condo enjoying the good life, paid by us tax-payers.

all those multi-million dollar payoffs to business barons who have lost millions and fired thousands need to be sued, by the government, to get back every dollar they can. billions of dollars have been wasted on these people, many (or most) of whom are in violation of their fiduciary responsibility. And the auditors who approved of all this should be suedas co-conspirators, under the theory of joint and several liability.

I wonder how many ordinary Americans ever HEARD of Bear Stearns or know even now what they were and what they did (not in the old fashioned way) to make money the new fashioned way?

If I had to guess, I’d say it was all part of the misapplied inverted arrhythmic stock market abcess (MIASMA) syndrome. That is the one in which the stock market is a giant gambling hall for super players where the smaller players always eventually lose, and the giant players always win. (Yes, the same market where Harkin Energy traded for years and years without ever once paying a dividend, and the only stock split was a negative one to prop up the dollar value of the stock which (justifyably) had tanked.

Hey, it’s a house of cards: one day the wrong person will get access, and the house will fall down in a heap. Meanwhile, it is only part of the fabric of lies being told to the American public by the power structure who manipulate them just as badly as the old British mine owners used to do their esnes.

“I got stock today from TAIWAN!” some idiot brays in a tv ad. They understandably do not point out that you can be cheated in six languages and a dozen currencies.

Like in the old Nevada mining towns, the customers say, “sure the game is rigged, but what the hell, it’s the only game in town!” So they play because it is a way to pass the time and pretend.

Like pretending that the Iraq was is about something BESIDES oil.