Oh Conservative Yankee,

This made my day!!

“...Even Magic Johnson can’t fuck that many women worldwide and he has a plane!”

I can’t stop laughing.

Now, what about Bill Clinton? Do you think HE could do this?

Of course, Rev. J. Wright was right about racism all the way. Meanwhile, all the white bigots and racists were wrong all the way.

Rev. Wright was ahead of his time in seeing the truth and talking about it, whereas the racists were far beyond the times in discovering their disease and accepting to be treated. The distance between Rev. Wright and the racists is like the distance between one seeing the present and future through the past and ones still living in the medieval mentality of the distant past without recognizing the progression of times.

In light of this, the racists are the ones that should be under attack, not the warrior fighting racism.

<<<<<< It is physically impossible for “ALL humans” to be “… >>>>>>>

Well get the book or watch the video and see for yourself. He actually traces, with DNA evidence, how humans left this one tribe and migrated all over the earth. And it did not take that long. It happened faster than nost people believed possible. But he shows how it did.

And being a scientist he knows there is always more to learn and that models keep changing as we get more evidence.

BIO OF WELLS FROM WIKIPEDIA

“Wells did his Ph.D. work under Richard Lewontin, and later did postdoctoral research with Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza and Sir Walter Bodmer. His work, which has helped to establish the critical role played by Central Asia in the peopling of the world, has been published in journals such as Science, American Journal of Human Genetics, and the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

He wrote the book The Journey of Man: A Genetic Odyssey (2002), which explains how genetic data has been used to trace human migrations over the past 50,000 years, when modern humans first migrated outside of Africa. According to Wells, one group took a southern route and populated southern India and southeast Asia, then Australia. The other group, accounting for 90% of the world’s non-African population (some 5 billion people as of late 2006), took a northern route, eventually peopling most of Eurasia (largely displacing the aboriginals in southern India, Sri Lanka and Southeast Asia in the process), North Africa and the Americas. Wells also wrote and presented the PBS/National Geographic documentary of the same name. By analyzing DNA from people in all regions of the world, Wells has concluded that all humans alive today are descended from a single man who lived in Africa around 60,000 - 90,000 years ago, a man also known as Y-chromosomal Adam.[1]

Since 2005, Wells has headed The Genographic Project, undertaken by the National Geographic Society, IBM and the Waitt Family Foundation, which will add to our knowledge of human history by analyzing DNA samples from around the world, thereby creating a picture of how our ancestors populated the planet.”

<<<<<< I am very surprised you were unaware of sexual exploitation of female slaves. NAIVE!! >>>>>>

Quote me jack. Cite from one of my posts where I say or I deny this. I have never even duscussed this topic on this or any other blog. (until now)

I was referring only to your wildly insane and historically inaccurate assertion that Strom Thurmond was a founding father. And the woman in question was not a slave.  “At the time of Washington’s birth, her mother worked for Edgefield’s segregated school system, and Thurmond taught and coached white students. “ [Ken Cummins 12/02, The Black Comment]

In the first post you never mentioned Jefferson. You mention his name in your 2nd post or response to me.(And yes, I know about Sally Hemmings. And she was his long term lover.)

The only example you cited for founding fathers in that first post was Thurmon. I hate to tell you {well, not really} he was NOT a founding father.

And here is your actual quote:  “Our founding fathers raped slave women, were racist and white supremacists but we do not think any less of them (i.e. Strom Thurmon)” Posted By jack, March 31 at 8:39 am #145660(Unregistered commenter)

i.e. means ‘for example.’ So you said/wrote that Strom Thurmon was a founding father. He couldn’t have been. He was not even born yet. He was born after the Civil War. Different age in American history.

And here is part of my reply back - “I never knew Strom Thurman was a Founding Father.” I was needling you about your apparent lack of knowledge about U.S. History.I take it you don’t get sarcasm very well either.

And no it neither shocks or surprises me that we are all of mixed blood. I have know that all my life. And I have already dealt with this on a different thread when I talked about geneticist Spencer Wells who wrote the book The Journey of Man (also an excellent PBS special and video) who has proven that all humans alive today are descended from a single man who lived in Africa around 60,000 years ago. The book and the video document his discovery.

So get off your high horse jack and learn your history and learn how to write.

Backers of Barack Obama say he has the best opportunity to create a new sense of national unity and to transcend divisions within this country ...You mean the same Barak Obama who attended an anti-American, racist church for 20 years? ... You mean the same Barak Obama who swore allegiance to the divisive ‘black value system’ for 20 years? ... You mean the same Barak Obama whose chosen mentor/advisor for 20 years is an anti-American, racist, who gave a disgusting, racist like Louis Farrakan a life time achievement award? This is the best person to bring unity to America? WHAT, ARE YOU KIDDING?

You’re quite right.  At the same time, many other populations came to America in poverty and subjugation if not slavery yet their whiteness allowed them to assimilate rapidly.  In fact, why was it possible to enslave Africans if not because of the marked extent of their Otherness?  There were other primitive and defenseless white populations on the planet which could have been dragged here in chains, but the lack of an inherent sense of their Otherness would not have allowed Americans of European descent to accept them as slaves. 
My point is that the maintenance of the institutional, habitual, ingrained racism to which you refer is at least partially fueled by something that is built into human DNA.  It is not so much secondary as it is fundamental, with many layers of socialized behavior overlaid upon it. It is never discussed, never admitted to; I propose that if it were, a healthier discussion of the evils that were allowed to happen because of it could take place.

Lee! Whites are of two types: one type is noble and conscientious,like Tim Wise; and the other type is called white trash, so which type are you?!

We’re in denial about the basis for racism which, if perhaps we can own it and face up to the truth of it, will allow all humans, of every color and race, to live together more peacefully.  That truth is that we, like other “pack animals,” are most comfortable when surrounded by those who look, sound and act like us.  We can overcome that basic instinct, just as we can learn not to freak out at 40,000 feet in an airplane or while maneuvering down a crowded freeway with death or serious injury hovering mere inches away from our bumper.  But first we have to acknowledge that, just as we’re more relaxed on the ground or strolling through a park, we are in fact conditioned to want to see ourselves in those around us.  Too many millennia of human development, in which small differences in physiognomy signaled danger from groups with threatening agendas, have passed for us to simply wave away our gut reaction to “the Other” because we’ve arrived at the intellectual conclusion that “all men are created equal.” Obviously, this doesn’t mean we should all clan up into homogeneous groups and build walls to keep out “exotics.” But if we’re going to derive the benefits that accrue to heterogeneity we need to admit that on a reptilian level, it goes against the grain.  Once we do that, we can develop the means to accommodate and mitigate natural reflexes.  But as long as we are in denial about our fundamental nature, as long as we tell ourselves that it’s just plain morally wrong to feel as we do, we won’t find a true and lasting solution to the question of how we can all live together in acceptance and peace.

While I agree with some of the points pastor Wright brings to the forefront I also believe that many of his comments and actions perpetuate the same kind of racism he is so vehmently preaching against. Furthermore, I think Clinton’s tactic to publicize and emphasize Obama’s relationship with Wright is underhanded, but then again that’s politics.

Here’s Part 6 of Tim Wise’s Article!
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So what can we say about a nation that values lies more than it loves truth? A place where adherence to sincerely believed and internalized fictions allows one to rise to the highest offices in the land, and to earn the respect of millions, while a willingness to challenge those fictions and offer a more accurate counter-narrative earns one nothing but contempt, derision, indeed outright hatred? What we can say is that such a place is signing its own death warrant. What we can say is that such a place is missing the only and last opportunity it may ever have to make things right, to live up to its professed ideals. What we can say is that such a place can never move forward, because we have yet to fully address and come to terms with that which lay behind.
What can we say about a nation where white preachers can lie every week from their pulpits without so much as having to worry that their lies might be noticed by the shiny white faces in their pews, while black preachers who tell one after another essential truth are demonized, not only for the stridency of their tone--which needless to say scares white folks, who have long preferred a style of praise and worship resembling nothing so much as a coma--but for merely calling bullshit on those whose lies are swallowed whole?
And oh yes, I said it: white preachers lie. In fact, they lie with a skill, fluidity, and precision unparalleled in the history of either preaching or lying, both of which histories stretch back a ways and have often overlapped. They lie every Sunday, as they talk about a Savior they have chosen to represent dishonestly as a white man, in every picture to be found of him in their tabernacles, every children’s story book in their Sunday Schools, every Christmas card they’ll send to relatives and friends this December. But to lie about Jesus, about the one they consider God--to bear false witness as to who this man was and what he looked like--is no cause for concern.
Nor is it a problem for these preachers to teach and preach that those who don’t believe as they believe are going to hell. Despite the fact that such a belief casts aspersions upon God that are so profound as to defy belief--after all, they imply that God is so fundamentally evil that he would burn non-believers in a lake of eternal fire--many of the white folks who now condemn Jeremiah Wright welcome that theology of hate. Indeed, back when President Bush was the Governor of Texas, he endorsed this kind of thinking, responding to a question about whether Jews were going to go to hell, by saying that unless one accepted Jesus as one’s personal savior, the Bible made it pretty clear that indeed, hell was where you’d be heading.
So you can curse God in this way--and to imply such hate on God’s part is surely to curse him--and in effect, curse those who aren’t Christians, and no one says anything. That isn’t considered bigoted. That isn’t considered beyond the pale of polite society. One is not disqualified from becoming President in the minds of millions because they go to a church that says that shit every single week, or because they believe it themselves. And millions do believe it, and see nothing wrong with it whatsoever.
So white folks are mad at Jeremiah Wright because he challenges their views about their country. Meanwhile, those same white folks, and their ministers and priests, every week put forth a false image of the God Jeremiah Wright serves, and yet it is whites who feel we have the right to be offended.
Pardon me, but something is wrong here, and whatever it is, is not to be found at Trinity United Church of Christ.

Tim Wise is the author of: White Like Me: Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son (Soft Skull Press, 2005), and Affirmative Action: Racial Preference in Black and White (Routledge: 2005). He can be reached at: timjwise at msn dot com
This essay originally appeared in Lip.

Abraham Lincolin, a Republican said the difference between the two political parties is very subtle, he equated both parties as two drunks fighting in the street and when the fight was over they had each others coats on.

Interesting thought, forms a picture in the minds eye.

Reply to Leefeller et al.

Republicans run campaigns as a business with the intent to win.  Democrats run campaigns as a crusade, with the intent to purge the party of the non-believers or right past wrongs or to convert people to Democratic values.

Proof: Since 1891
Republican presidents: McKinley, T Roosevelt, Taft, Harding, Coolidge, Hoover, Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, Bush 1, Bush 2

Democratic Presidents: Wilson, F. Roosevelt, Truman, JFK, LBJ, Carter, Clinton

60% Republican VS 40% Democratic

“As Joe in Maine so eloquently wrote on a different thread:

cyrena writes, “Your post has me bragging again, on how smart we all are. I love it when folks know the truth and acknowledge it, no matter how ugly it may be.”

That’s not the attitude of a winner. It stinks like the liberal elitist you are. That very attitude is going to do more to defeat Obama than any 527 group ad showing Obama without his hand over his heart or any 30-second clip of Rev. Wright pleading for God to Damn America. (What makes us think he hasn’t?)

That attitude does far more harm than you realize. Want to know why Obama does poorly with voters that make less than $50,000 a year? Just get a few ‘real people’ in a room and give them your best cyrena rant. Tell THEM how smart you Obamabots are and how they just don’t get it.

It’s the belief in something too big for you to really understand. Give them a 37-minute lecture in your best constitutional law professor language about how we need to come together so as to distract you from the fact that I never answer any tough questions, how I’ve never been tested against a strong republican opponent. See how many of them stand up inspired with hope and ready to vote for change.”

Just a reminder, Wright is not running for president.  If he is given a house for some reason by his church, you feel the crushing need to mention in a white neighborhood, has anything to do with the presidential campaign. Please enlighten me.

Re: WHO’S THE RACIST?
“Well and good but he should practice what he preaches,Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness.”

No “Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness.” in that million dollar home in a classy white neighborhood that his church some how paid for.

Seems to me.. you are ALL scared of whichever person has an opposite opinion or experience than your own.
To classify the “white” or “black” or “gay” or whatever experience as a general path that all people of that group have taken is not only ludicrous, it is self defeting.

Get it together people…

united we stand, divided we fall… and boy… are we divided

Here’s a consciousness white American telling the truth about racism in America! Just a few paragraphs from an article by Tim Wise entitled, “Whites Like Me: Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son.” This article originally appeared in “lip”.
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Of National Lies and Racial America
By TIM WISE

For most white folks, indignation just doesn’t wear well. Once affected or conjured up, it reminds one of a pudgy man, wearing a tie that may well have fit him when he was fifty pounds lighter, but which now cuts off somewhere above his navel and makes him look like an idiot.
Indignation doesn’t work for most whites, because having remained sanguine about, silent during, indeed often supportive of so much injustice over the years in this country--the theft of native land and genocide of indigenous persons, and the enslavement of Africans being only two of the best examples--we are just a bit late to get into the game of moral rectitude. And once we enter it, our efforts at righteousness tend to fail the test of sincerity.
But here we are, in 2008, fuming at the words of Pastor Jeremiah Wright, of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago--occasionally Barack Obama’s pastor, and the man whom Obama credits with having brought him to Christianity--for merely reminding us of those evils about which we have remained so quiet, so dismissive, so unconcerned. It is not the crime that bothers us, but the remembrance of it, the unwillingness to let it go--these last words being the first ones uttered by most whites it seems whenever anyone, least of all an “angry black man” like Jeremiah Wright, foists upon us the bill of particulars for several centuries of white supremacy.
But our collective indignation, no matter how loudly we announce it, cannot drown out the truth. And as much as white America may not be able to hear it (and as much as politics may require Obama to condemn it) let us be clear, Jeremiah Wright fundamentally told the truth.
Oh I know that for some such a comment will seem shocking. After all, didn’t he say that America “got what it deserved” on 9/11? And didn’t he say that black people should be singing “God Damn America” because of its treatment of the African American community throughout the years?
Well actually, no he didn’t.
Wright said not that the attacks of September 11th were justified, but that they were, in effect, predictable. Deploying the imagery of chickens coming home to roost is not to give thanks for the return of the poultry or to endorse such feathered homecoming as a positive good; rather, it is merely to note two things: first, that what goes around, indeed, comes around--a notion with longstanding theological....

While you guys are applying for jobs with the military complex, we have Wright running for president, at least according to the Hillary crowd. 

My only hope is the Clintons will run for governor of New York, and promote the spritzer whore houses, with as little class, as as the Clinton’s can muster, well then the red phone could become an icon of prestigious ill-repute.

Reagan used the resentment against civil rights and affirmative action to paint blacks as welfare queens, etc. Bush II just neglected and ignored all of the poor and vulnerable. The radical right exploits the vestiges still there.

The radical right media has strafed the Obama campaign, including Fox TV News (Noise, according to Keith Olberman) and those of the Rush Limbaugh stripe. Their spurious and racist comments and images are designed to ambush their willing audiences with a fear/resentment-inspired negative image of Obama and his campaign.

Youtube has compiled a sample of the most recent Fox News videos and quotes from commentators like O’Reilly, Hannity, and a number of minion FoxNoiseians, giving real statements and the fear or stereotype.

Examples: 1) The reason he (Obama) is considered such a big deal is because he is a black candidate, obviously using resentment against affirmative action. 2)Half of the kids under five years old are minorities. Black folks having babies without being married.It suggests indiscriminate breeding of Blacks and relates to the underlying engenics issue of spreading inferior genes. 3)Look what they did with the Dome. They turned it into a ghetto. This excuses Katrina neglect of black victims. Blacks seen as a culpable destructive, even criminal element, maybe even deserving. 4)They will get up every day and kill someone and have chicken at KFC. Lawlessness of Blacks and favorite food stereotype. 5)Obama’s middle name is Hussein. He is a Muslim. Association with al Quaeda and extremists. 6)Trinity Church in Chicago is where Obama calls home. Are they worshipping Christ? They are cultish. Involves association with unfamiliar religion, including Islam.

The stereotypes and the fears associated with them have been real in American culture for many years. Many feel that the Republican party has bet its ascendency on utilizing stereotypes, resentment and fear, especially in capturing southern states. Resentment of LBJ’s Great Society and the civil rights movement of the 1960’s gave the new conservative movement a common cause and a rallying cry.

People have become weary with cries of racism, but vestiges have always been there. The adjectives to describe Black people have not changed too much since the 1930s, including lazy, superstitious, ignorant, loud, poor and criminal. Mocking black language is also a favorite demonization method, something already used by Karl Rove in the Wall Street Journal, relating Obama to rap, trash-talk, basketball, and laziness.

Media’s contribution includes television depicting blacks as poor nearly twice as often as the true incidence: actually account for 29 percent of poor but are depicted as poor in excess of 50 percent of cases, and lawlessness is often associated with blacks in cop shows. According to Lawrence Grossman, former president of CBS News and PBS, TV newscasts “disproportionately show African-Americans under arrest, living in slums, on welfare, and in need of help from the community.”

You were wrong on a few counts,3800 yds is a few more than a thousand, anything you need to know about weapons ask, I will be more than happy to fill you in. I unlike you wont even be condescending, But its like you said ,Its obvious you dont know shit about any of this..
Country of Origin USA
Date Of Introduction 1978
Crew 3
Caliber 2.4 in (60 mm)
Weight 46.5 lb (21.1 kg) Conventional Mode
18.0 lb (8.2 kg) Handheld Mode
Range 77 - 3,828 yd (70 - 3,500 m)
Rate of Fire Maximum: 18-30 per minute for 1 to 4 minutes
Sustained: 8-20 rounds per minute, indefinitely

Chinese mortar,TYPE 84 (W84) 82MM MORTAR.  Soviet was more ww2 still a 2700 yd dif.
Calibre: 82mm
Barrel length: 1,400mm
Weight: (combat) 39.7kg
Bipod weight: 15.5kg
Base plate weight: 16kg
Projectile weight: 4.2kg (HE)
Rate of fire: 30 rds/min
Muzzle velocity: 265m/s (standard); 311m/s (extended-range)
Fire range: Min: 120m; Max: 4,660m (standard) or 5,700m (extended-range)
Gun elevation: 45~80 degree
Azimuth: +/-3.5 degree
Crew: 5~7
Ammunition: HE, HE blastings, illuminating, incendiary, smoke

Hi Cyrena,

The “Laman” bloke only appears, of course, in the “Book of Mormon.” The story of the “Book of Mormon” is that some Jewish folk at about the time of Isaiah travelled by ship to the New World, taking a route across the Indian Ocean, around Southeast Asia, across the Pacific, to the west coast of South America.

I’m not making this up.

So these nice Jewish folk ended up settling the New World. One leader, named “Nephi” (there’s an authentic Jewish name for you) was an upright, godly fellow. Another leader, “Laman” (there’s a good Jewish name for you) was evil and was turned into the first Native American. I don’t recall exactly what he did to earn this terrible fate.

Anyway, in the end, the “Nephites” all went bad, so God let the “Lamanites” kill them all off. One of the last of the “Nephites” was this bloke named “Mormon” (there’s a good Jewish name for you), who supposedly put the New World scriptures together before they were “revealed” to Joseph Smith. The prophet Joseph Smith was able to read the ancient scriptures, engraved on plates of solid gold, by looking through a magical crystal supplied to him by an angel named “Moroni” (no, not “I Moron”: it’s “Moroni!") The crystal allegedly converted the ancient scriptures to King James style English.

So in the Old World, we had “the mark of Cain.” The Bible says God just put an mark, not further described, on Cain. As you noted, racists later “interpreted” this mark to be dark skin.

In the New World, we had the “mark of Laman,” which was a shade of skin tone lighter than Africans, but a bit darker than Caucasians or Jewish folk. 

I’m not making this up.

[Note to any Mormons reading this. I really try not to sound like I’m making fun of your religion. It’s just hard to tell the story without doing so. But if you want to believe it, I suppose it’s no more irrational than any other religion. I apologize most sincerely.]

Greg Palast reflects on Easter Suday

God Damn America
Especially Pennsylvania

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