Betsy writes:

“...Yhey have shown footage of these Saudi nationals boarding those particular planes.”...

Betsey,

If YOU have seen ‘footage’ of these ‘Saudi nationals’ BOARDING THOSE PARTICULAR FLIGHTS, then you are the ONLY one who has.

So, would you care to share the links to any resources that would pretend to claim it as footage of these people boarding these particular flights, and maybe show us how we know that they are ‘Saudi Nationals?”

(like are they tatooed as such in the film footage?)

And then, after that, is there a way that we can connect NOT just the flying of airplanes into the WTC, (which many of us know is impossible for any untrained pilot to accomplish) could you help us connect the explosion and implosion of those same buildings to those same Saudi nationals that were in the footage boarding those planes?

Not even the Administration has attempted to lie that part away, or blame it on the alleged high-jackers. A very careful read of the 9/11 Commission report, (the Admin’s ‘official word’) doesn’t even mention that the buildings were blown up.

So, WHO DID THAT?

Only Two Newspapers Put 4,000 US Troop Deaths on Front Page

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/waroniraq/80528/

“It’s a sad day for America’s media when the tragic milestone of 4,000 soldiers’ deaths is reported and it appears that just two papers — yes two — place it across their front pages. After a search through today’s front pages, I found that The Rocky Mountain News in Denver and the Daily News in New York were the only papers to give their entire front pages to honoring the men and women killed in Iraq. The Los Angeles Times gave a top quarter of their front to a feature called “Stories Of The Fallen.” If I’ve missed a paper that featured the deaths across it’s entire front page then I welcome any corrections in the comment string of this post.”

“This was a big story, and Karen thinks the media has downplayed it. Downplayed?”

“The media surely has downplayed the notion that 97% of those deaths came after Bush’s “Mission Accomplished” photo-op on that aircraft carrier nearly five years ago. And they’re downplaying Dick Cheney’s response to 4,000 American deaths in Iraq — he notes how those soldiers were volunteers, dodging the question of the wisdom of sending them there under false pretenses. And I’m yet to see any story on how many Iraqis have died due to President Bush’s misadventure in Iraq.”

“Of course, today’s Philadelphia Inquirer features the 4,000 death story pretty prominently, but in a context that highlights what President Bush thinks is leadership.

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“One day people will look back at this moment in history and say, ‘Thank God there were courageous people willing to serve, because they laid the foundations for peace for generations to come,’ Bush said.”

[Probably not. How many people look back on Vietnam and say, thank God we did that?]

“I have vowed in the past, and I will vow so long as I’m president, to make sure that those lives were not lost in vain - that, in fact, there is an outcome that will merit the sacrifice,” Bush said.

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[we can never demean the lose of one single life, given by someone who wanted to serve their country. No single life lost can be chalked up as meaningless, just because Bush and Cheney and their whole administration and the congress and media who cheered them on, all babbled MEANINGLESS LIES. But if those liars walk away from the deaths without ever being held accountable, then THEY make those sacrifices meaningless. I suppose that can be proven by mainstreammedia’s “overlooking” the 4000 mark. And Bush seeing it as an opportunity to once again, tell us how great HE is.]

“At least FauxNews has it right. FauxNews is focused like a laser on Bill Richardson’s beard. Man, it is impossible to do a satire of FauxNews, as you couldn’t write anything as stupid as what they actually report.”

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“It is part of the general pattern of misguided policy that our country is now geared to an arms economy which was bred in an artificually induced psychosis of war hysteria and nurtured upon an incessant propaganda of fear.”
General Douglas MacArthur

“From one of those soldiers who volunteered to go to Afghanistan after Sept. 11….. Many of us volunteered with patriotic feelings in our heart, only to see them subverted and bastardized by the administration and sent into the wrong country.”

All the pieces that make up a human body are created in the belly of a woman - except the ego. What is the lot of man, born of woman? He has no right to kill or maim another human…..

Then comes the ego, either vainly or fearfully. It struts or it is pushed - or deceived. Who can make you kill another person except that you let them train you, guide you, transport you, even threaten you - and then dump you on the battlefield?

What place ever became a battlefield or kill zone except that one man (its usually a man) pointed a gun at another? Thus fear or aggression takes over. It becomes rather late to “turn the other cheek”. Do unto others becomes “do what thou wilt” - at least as far as the orders dictate.

Nor do orders come “from above”. There is nowhere higher than one’s own conscience. But, having been duped or inveigled or exhorted to go to kill - and having done so -  what is there left of one’s own morality? Oh, “they shot at me so I shot back” - is that all???

“...So Partition is the best solution for Iraq: Kurdistan, Sunni Iraq, and a sad Shiite Iraq; you can’t force people to live together or like each other…”

Here’s your problem bdogmania…

You’re right, we can’t FORCE people to do ANY god damned thing!!

But, that’s exactly what the US has been trying to do, for over 50 years now.

I should also remind you that prior to the invasion and occupation of Iraq, the IRAQIS…ALL of them, WERE living together!! Specifically outside of Kurdistan, the Shia and the Sunni DID live and work together.

So, your solution of partitioning the lands of others is just as ‘imperialistic’ as what got us into this in the first place, and what has destroyed that once highly functioning nation, which is actually known as the birthplace of civilization.

It’s not about WINNING, as your repug friend suggests, and the ONLY reason that repug imperialists consider the continued oppression and harrassment of other nations from Cuba to Venezuela, to the Middle East, is to LET THE WORLD KNOW, that capitalism, and ONLY capitalism as practiced by the US, will be allowed.

So, you might want to reconsider who our ‘enemies’ are, and why they’ve been put on the ‘enemy’ list. The answer is that the US imperialists put ANYONE on the ‘enemy’ list, when they refuse to be bullied by the US. In Iran, it was because they nationalized their oil. In Cuba, it was because the US wanted to take over there as well, and Castro ran them out. His punishment was to be isolated for over 40 years.

I could go on, but the point is that since you have time, you might want to try and get to the real reasons why these ‘enemies’ have been designated as such…BY THE US. These nations haven’t determined THEMSELVES to be ‘enemies’. WE HAVE.

the price of oil may have nothing to do with the supply of oil or the demand for it…..

could be that right now this minute, the price of oil represents only the loss of value of the US dollar, which by all that’s right ought to be zero or near to it. The only thing keeping the USA afloat is its place in the global scheme as a customer for goods and services—-when we go down, EVERYONE loses.

Of course, oil isn’t everything; no, it is the ONLY thing. (Thanks, Vince.)

The war is only one of the crimes but is probably the worst in the sense of at least hundreds of thousands needlessly dead, and as many maimed physically or mentally, displaced and homeless people, destruction of cities, abuse of religion for own agenda, and malevolent use of power.
I predict that the name Bush through the usual process of including new heavily-used meanings for words in our dictionaries will become negative, meaning corrupt, hypocritical, lier, tyrant, deluded, etc. You can add your own meanings. Cheney will become a synonym for devil, Beelzebub, dark one, arrogant, etc. Add your own.

Some of us remember how difficult it was to oppose the war before Bush actually gave the order. Many fascist-type tools were used to intimidate, demonize, villify and denigrate those who were just against rushing into war. Even then Most of us knew that Bush and Company had made up their minds long ago to go to war and take the rest of us with them kicking and screaming if necessary.

So many crimes have been committed by this administration and even yet sometimes I’m appalled and shocked again with Bush and friends lack of concern for the fate of others and the outright self-deception practiced each and every day in order to promote a personal agenda.

Dante must have a special place in hell for such people. But maybe that is being as judging and sanctimonious as BushCo.

Much thanks to Amy Goodman and the staff at Truthdig, for posting this piece.

Indeed, we ALWAYS knew that Iraq was a WRONG war, because we knew well in advance that Iraq had no connection to the attacks of 9/11. We knew that Iraq/Saddam Hussein, had NO connection to the terrorist organization, al-Qaeda. We knew, (in advance) that Iraq had no WMD to threaten us or any of the occupant nation states of the Middle East.

So we KNEW, (in advance, that the invasion and occupation of Iraq was wrong).

And later we discovered that the same applied to Afghanistan. Afghanistan was NOT responsible for the attacks of 9/11, and while al-Qaeda may have been an element in Afghanistan, that is not the only place that al-Qaeda existed, and nothing has been gained by the US invasion of Afghanistan. Rather, like Iraq, it has simply erupted into death and chaos.

For THEM, and for US.