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War of the WordPosted on Mar 25, 2008
Would God ever damn America? Is there anything we have done or could do as a nation that might court such severe judgment from an almighty, or is there a peculiar American exemption from God’s wrath? The prediction of God’s damnation for bad behavior is made in both black and white churches. One authority on such matters, the Rev. Pat Robertson, didn’t think the latter when he blamed the ravaging effects of Hurricane Katrina on the Lord’s retribution against those who “shed innocent blood.” Robertson’s reference to legalized abortion cited a passage from Leviticus that the Rev. Jeremiah Wright also might have been thinking of when he sermonized: “The government ... wants us to sing ‘God Bless America?’ No, no, no ... . God damn America! That’s in the Bible for killing innocent people,” a reference to African-Americans sacrificed on ghetto streets. While the “innocents” about whom they spoke are different, the scriptural reference seems to be the same. As Robertson put it, in a statement preserved in a video clip posted on the Internet by Media Matters: “I was reading yesterday ... about what God has to say in the Old Testament about those who shed innocent blood ... ‘The land will vomit you out,’ ” which he related to attacks “either by terrorists or now by natural disaster.” Robertson, a firm ally of Republican administrations, has not always been warm to the presumed GOP presidential nominee, Sen. John McCain, although the two recently mended their strained relationship. However, in this season of pastor-baiting, McCain has his own problem, having expressed his thrill in receiving “the endorsement of Pastor John Hagee.” Hagee, citing a planned “homosexual parade,” had previously told National Public Radio that Hurricane Katrina was God’s punishment of the people of New Orleans for “a level of sin that was offensive to God.” Obviously, the almighty with whom Hagee is on intimate terms is in need of MapQuest, given that New Orleans’ gay neighborhoods were among the ones least impacted by the hurricane. Hagee long has been denounced by Catholics for labeling the Vatican “The Great Whore” and blaming Hitler’s genocidal policies on his having “attended a Catholic school as a child.” A Hagee issue that has some current relevance to the Iraq disaster is his blasting of the Roman Catholic Church for sponsoring the Crusades, which “plunged the world into the Dark Ages.” In a warning that imperial adventures lose some of their luster with the passage of time, Hagee wrote in his book “Jerusalem Countdown”: “The brutal truth is that the Crusades were military campaigns of the Roman Catholic Church to gain control of Jerusalem from the Muslims and to punish the Jews as the alleged Christ killers on the road to and from Jerusalem.” What will future theologians say about George W. Bush’s crusade to liberate Iraq, shedding the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocents? I know what the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. would say were he alive today, for it would be consistent with his denunciation of the Vietnam War in a sermon at New York’s Riverside Church a year before his assassination. Recounting his difficulty in spreading the message of nonviolence and personal responsibility to the very ghetto youths that the Rev. Wright has worked with for four decades, King stated, “I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today: my own government.” King delivered that speech the year Wright ended his six years of service in the U.S. Marine Corps and Navy, for which he received three commendations from President Lyndon Johnson, whom King was confronting. No doubt Wright was influenced by King’s oratory decrying “the cruel irony of watching Negro and white boys on TV screens ... in brutal solidarity burning the huts of a poor village, but we realize that they would hardly live on the same block in Chicago. I could not be silent in the face of such cruel manipulation of the poor.” And neither could Wright I respect Barack Obama’s right to repudiate his pastor’s comments, as he did, but I respect even more his refusal to throw the man overboard in a practice we witnessed all too often with the Clintons when they came under right-wing attack. Hillary did it again Tuesday, telling the right-wing Pittsburgh Tribune-Review editorial board that Wright “would not have been my pastor.” So she says, but the record shows she was there in the White House on Sept. 11, 1998, when her husband posed for a photo with the Rev. Wright and was grateful for his support in the midst of that wrath-of-Leviticus blue dress flap. Ingrate. Previous item: Conservatives Beware Next item: Body of War Elsewhere: . CommentsAre you a Truthdig member yet? Login now, or register with Truthdig.
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By Joe, March 26 at 10:09 am # Fantastic point and great comments here. Wish this stuff got more play in the mainstream media…
By bozhidar bob balkas, March 26 at 10:47 am # Re: Arrant Nonsensein the recent balkan wars relig’n h. played a role. however, there were other causes for break up of Yugo.
By Shandooga, March 26 at 8:24 am # The problem people have.We are prone to assumption. We assume that if there were a God there would be no suffering. We assume that if we suffer, it’s God’s will, choice or responsibility. We assume that we have no power to end or avoid suffering. We rarely, however, assume responsibility for our choices. We know smoking kills but we do it anyway. Are smokers telling God that they *want* cancer? If he took away all the world’s tobacco, would smokers thank him for relieving them of the temptation or would they curse him, shaking their fists at the sky? Have you ever tried to come between a smoker and their cigarettes? What about those who have found constructive uses for the tobacco leaf? What’s the point? If happiness is going to be real, so must the potential for unhappiness (every action has an equal and opposite reaction). For anyone to be happy, they must have access to the things they choose. For choice to be real, there must be at least 2 options. It turns out that every thing we can do will fit into one of 2 categories; good or bad. So which do we choose and who do we blame for the result? Many of us want peace--or so we say-- but let a few Knews broadcasts mention the word “terrorist” and far too many of us fall into line; ready to bomb unknown men, women, and children in any country in the world...without any consideration of *their* choice. So considering that the choice to do bad is evidenced by the suffering that results, who is to blame when suffering occurs? America has had a hidden hand in much of the world’s suffering. It’s corporations have raped and polluted much of the air, land and water--and they show no interest in stopping. It’s armies march on innocent people at the drop a hat. It’s citizens consume to the point of self destruction, borrow themselves into debt that they cannot repay and shoot their classmates at random. There’s no shortage of Bibles or churches so not enough religion would not seem to be the problem. It would seem that for God to damn America would be a redundant effort; America is destroying itself just fine.
By J.R., March 26 at 8:07 am # Douglas said ... Douglas -
By Shandooga, March 26 at 12:27 pm # Re:“I am an Asian and I think the white people are beautiful.” Well if every movie, television show or Knews report I’ve ever seen is any measure, they agree--wholeheartedly.
By bozhidar bob balkas, March 26 at 7:31 am # baal, yahweh, god, allahgod, what is that? let’s start this analyses, please, w. following assertion/fact: we can only gather knwoledge w. our 5 senses. to sense baal/allah/god/yahweh one needs at least one more sense. so, if a judaist persist in telling us that hahweh will save jews, make’em light onto us, the unwashed, etc. (this analyses valid also for christians, hindus, muslims) that person could ‘know’ that only if he/she h. special sense(s).
By Frank Mankiewicz, March 26 at 6:53 am # Hey Bob, you should have concluded with Mencken: “The Lord in his wisdom looks out for and protects small children, drunks and the United States of America.”
By Conservative Yankee, March 26 at 5:48 am # God Damn What???A point of information here. “America” is the land between Cape Horn (60-S 30 W)and the Beaufort Sea. 80 N 175. The USA, a political entity, is 48 contiguous States, Two non-manifest destiny States, and several territories including Guam, Puerto Rico, and the American Virgins. NEVER have I felt anything akin to “God Damn America” I’ve often felt “God Damn these United States. In other words, I love my country, but occasionally HATE its government! I might add this is a position consistent with “conservative” ideology!
By Michael Tichy, March 26 at 5:35 am # FaithYour faith and trust should be in the Lord not to a country. That’s what he was saying. Countries altimately fail but the Lord is constant. And why should we be upset when these words come from a man of God. Its not him who wants to be presedent. He’s a patriot to God first.
By Eric Barth, March 26 at 5:25 am # Religion and PoliticsMilitary service (no matter how unjust and misguided the war) has been the gold standard for qualification for high office in the U.S. from the beginning, but especially since World War II. Didn’t do much for John Kerry. I voted for the John Kerry who testified before Congress in 1971 about the horrors of Vietnam, and he doesn’t exist anymore. So Rev. Wright’s military record impresses me only insofar as it contrasts with the chicken hawks of the Bush Regime. The Europeans have it right: get religious litmus tests out of politics!! While I’m voting for anyone against McCain, Barbara Ehrenreich’s article about Hillary Clinton’s religious affiliations and ties to Republicans really scared me.
By William Dalton, March 26 at 8:07 pm # Re:God “can” damn anyone he may choose, but God “chooses” to condemn only sinners, because he created all of us to live with him forever, to be blessed with eternal life. Even sinners, though, may be redeemed for eternal life, because God “chose” to condemn His only Son to suffer the punishment deserved by all of us for our sins.
By William Dalton, March 26 at 8:01 pm # Re: God bless America.Pat Robertson (who is neither a pastor nor a reverend, by the way) served in combat in the Korean War.
By Louis Candell, March 26 at 3:55 am # RE: War of the WordAll this banter about God blessing or damning the United States is ludicrous! It’s anthropomorphism run amuck. So many simpletons have the ridiculous belief that God is a being possessing human attributes such as feeling joy, sadness, anger, etc. Such a God can only be the god of idiots. Any God worth its salt is far and above such petty emotions. In fact, it would be beyond any emotions as we know them. Emotional behavior is within the realm of human behavior. God does not inhabit the same realm. God is beyond being. God does not favor any country or people over any other. I resent having my intelligence insulted by religious morons.
By Marta Kaye, March 26 at 2:41 am # God/ AmericaPerhaps God is angry, that suppose to be Christians deliberately Lied, to invade a country, that started a war, that killed thousands, especially children, destroyed the land “Jesus” most likely walked at one time. Yes I think “God” May very well Damm us. It does seem our country is going to pot, and check out all that Mother Nature is throwing at us. Add Your Comment |
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