Thanks that was good, not that Cyrena’s and Etal will
agree.

Gee Bert, I WONDER WHO DID THAT?

The ‘interjection’ of these sound bytes that is, from a sermon preached 6 years ago - into the middle of a Presidential Election?

What hysterical rhetoric you claim. And, based on all of your previous posts, YOU were most ANXIOUS for this to be ‘interjected into the middle of a presidential election’.

Too bad it backfired on you.

Thank Mother Nature the Democrats can still win the office IN SPITE of destructive people like you.

Ya know Jacob, there ARE many people among the US electorate who oppose the candidacy of Barack Obama because…HE IS BLACK! OK? Do you get that? Does that make them ‘racist’? In my book, it probably does.

Does that mean that ALL people who oppose his candidacy are opposed for that reason? NO. More importantly…NO ONE HAS SUGGESTED THAT! Oh sure, Chalmers may consistently go on and on about how anyone who criticizes Hillary Clinton is obviously a misogynist, and that not only do they hate women, but that they hate middle aged white women.

Well, that’s bullshit, and most of us have enough sense to know that people can certainly be opposed to Barack Obama, WITHOUT it being a question of race. The problem here though, is that very few will provide any other legitimate reasons for why they oppose his candidacy. OR, they’ve made it very clear, for an extended period of TIME…that they oppose his candidacy, and they only come up with alleged reasons, as they go along.

For instance, we’ve got you going on and on now, about this case Heller v. The District of Columbia. Now, when I get a moment, I’m going to find the case, and read it, to get my own take on it, since you have failed to even make that clear in any of your posts. You haven’t even provided what Obama’s ‘position’ is on it, so that leaves us to doubt what your real intentions might be.

You do go on an on about how many black youths are killed by handguns in DC, and as awful as that is, it’s not new. It also doesn’t only happen in DC, and gun control has been needed for decades. The NRA has been getting away with MURER by greed, for DECADES!! Michael Moore did an EXCELLENT documentary on this, around 6 or 7 years ago now. So…Americans should be aware of the horrific problems that are existent in this country, because of the lack of gun control. Because the NRA has long been supported by the neo cons and all of the other crazies that insist on their “right to bear arms”.

I have been hollering about gun control forever. Millions of us have been hollering about gun control forever. Every time a crazy person mows down a bunch of innocents (like at a college campus or a mall) with guns, we holler gun control, and yet…NOBODY HAS SEEMED TO BE ABLE TO DEFEAT THE FUCKING NRA!

So my question to you is this, (even before I read the case, and try to track down Obama’s ‘position’ on it), just exactly how the HELL, did HE get to be responsible for this? How did that case, and his ‘position’ on it, become the ‘reason’ for his not being suitable for the job? He wasn’t the judge in the case, was he? Was he on the jury? Was he an attorney in the case?

I’m thinking not, or you would have called it something more than his ‘position’. So you know what that says Jacob? It says to me that there are OTHER reasons why you ‘oppose’ his candidacy.

So Jacob, it makes one doubt your real motivations here.

In other words, I don’t believe you, and since you’ve failed to do anything more than cite court case and some statistical rhetoric, and put it to a ‘position’ that Obama allegedly has, WITHOUT EVEN MAKING THE CONNECTION, not many other folks are gonna believe you either.

So at the end of the day, combined with all of your previous posts, (with similar hate displayed) the assumption (right or wrong) is that you don’t like him because he’s black. OR, you don’t like him because you have your heart set on a different candidate, and he’s likely to beat whomever that candidate is.

That’s the perception, and nothing that you’ve posted is likely to change that.

I’m sure I can find the case easily enough. You might have to fill us in on Obama’s ‘position’ on it though.

felicity:  “So just exactly who were offended and why. Anybody out there?  Does anybody suppose that this HUGE, to quote the media, ‘problem’ of the errant preacher and his close friend and apparent mentee is solely a media creation aided and abetted by Reps and Clinton plants?  Surely you jest, Felicity.”

Well, maybe a majority of Americans. You think?????  Plus just do a google search. It won’t take long to see how many Americans were insulted.

Check out the link at the bottom of this post for the full survey. Here is a brief part of the survey results from Insider Advantage Polling:

First, we screened poll respondents to find those who were aware that Obama’s pastor was in the news. A startling 82% knew about Obama’s speech, and about the controversy surrounding the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Of those who knew about the controversy and the speech, we asked, “Taking all this into account, are you more or less likely to support Obama for president?”
Less likely (52%)
More likely (19%)
About the same (27%)
No opinion (2%)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fnews/1991108/posts

jackpine savage:  “BTW, patriotism and nationalism are not the same thing.  A patriot can still say “God Damn America” for specific actions.  A nationalist believes that nothing bad should ever be said about his country.  The former is based on reason, the latter is nothing more than belief...and often willful ignorance.”

Yes, and that extra fine distinction will get a Democrat elected in the General. Oh,that’s right. You don’t vote. Sounds like a spoled child who holds his breath when he is mad or does not get his way.

That’s so hypacritical. Moan, groan, bitch, and complain. But don’t vote. So adult. So American. So childish.

Cyrena:  “Do we need to track you down and warn the Secret Service that you might be a terrorist looking to do harm to an elected official, or just another citizen?”

OMG. Now you are sounding just like Bill O’Reilly threatening callers and viewers with police action. Are you going to get “security” to go after Jacob Freeze? What ever happened to free speech.

You sure can dish, but you sure can’t take.

Right on. You are absolutely correct. There is never any place for such rude and offensive behavior. Thank you. And Maani is so patient. Me??? I just get sarcastic when attacked like that. I wish I had Maani’s patience.

BobZ:  “Better for them to talk about a series of “wedge” issues just like in 2004. I think Obama is too smart to let that happen.”

And pray tell, sir, exactly how can Obama stop it from happening? He can no more stop it from happening than he could stop the sun from rising in the east. Get real.

BobZ:  “And John McCain is not George W. Bush. He has shown in the past that he won’t sink to that level in order to win an election.”

Have you been paying attention to the Republican primary. Or are you just naive? McCain goes pandering to the religious right. He has gone so far over to the right I am surprised his body does not lean that way.

And then never fear, the Republican smear machine and their partners in crime, right wing 527’s, will do the job for them. They are already planning their attacks.

Just go to New York News and Features and an article titled, “Swift Boating the Speech.” Link below.

http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/45317/http://nymag .com/news/intelligencer/45317/

Lanny Davis wrote an excellent piece over at Huff Po. It is short enough to post below. Like you, he has two questions, but his are for Obama to answer. And as Davis says, Obama can either answer them now or be forced to answer them by McCain in the fall.

BEGIN QUOTE
I read Senator Obama’s recent speech on race and Rev. Wright in Philadelphia several times and very carefully. It was a great, even brilliant, speech. I appreciate Senator Obama’s willingness to tackle a difficult subject and to explain his complex reactions to some of Rev. Wright’s sermons.

I personally regarded many of Rev. Wright’s sermons as filled with hate words and bigoted generalizations base on race (in this case, all Whites). One could even call them racist. His remarks post-9/11 were nothing short of reckless and unforgiveable.

I am convinced that there isn’t a shred in Senator Obama’s being that shares these hateful or bigoted feelings. And I respect his strong words denouncing the views of a man for whom he has deep and genuine feelings of affection and loyalty, which I also respect.

But many people, including Obama supporters, may still have two questions that Senator Obama’s speech did not sufficiently answer, at least in my opinion. And, for any Democrat whose priority is to win back the White House in 2008, they need to be answered now—because, if Senator Obama ends up the party’s nominee (I am a supporter of Senator Clinton’s)—for sure Senator McCain will insist they be answered in the fall.

These two questions are:

1. If a white minister preached sermons to his congregation and had used the “N” word and used rhetoric and words similar to members of the KKK, would you support a Democratic presidential candidate who decided to continue to be a member of that congregation?

2. Would you support that candidate if, after knowing of or hearing those sermons, he or she still appointed that minister to serve on his or her “Religious Advisory Committee” of his or her presidential campaign?

I hope my message gets to someone in the Obama campaign—or to a reporter traveling with the Senator—who can persuade Senator Obama to answer them directly. As I just wrote, he will have to do so—either now or perhaps in the fall.
END QUOTE

This is all a wonderful exercise in intellectual thought. However, these ‘sound bites’ have been interjected into the middle of a Presidential election. And they very well may, in fact, I believe they will, cost the Democrats the election in November. If and when that happens you can have four more years of discussion with no one in a position of power to one, listen, two, care, and three act on this issue.

BRAVO and well said ! Thank you, thank you, thank you for your comments. You have expressed my thoughts with exquisite finesse. As soon as you say anything negative about Obama on TD you are labeled racist, narrow minded, and a bigoted old fogy. by the elites of the ultra-liberal wing of the Dem party.  It seems we can’t even vet a man who wants my vote for the highest office in the land.

I also appreciate that you gave factual, issue-oriented information to support your conclusions.

The «hard question» to be asked with regard to Jeremiah Wright is not whether his views reflect a consensus among Blacks in the United States, but whether his analysis of, say, US policy in Southwest and Central Asia is more accurate than that of Barack Obama - or at least the AIPAC-seal-of-approval version which Senator Obama displays for public consumption. I strongly suspect that any objective historian of the region would be forced to agree with Reverend Wright. But as Henry Clay is said to have noted, being right is perhaps not the best way to become President....

Henri

Cyrena:

This is textbook example of “ad hominem” attack.  Not a single word of substance to counter Jacob’s comments.  Only name-calling, accusations, and vitriol.  How very mature and intelligent of you.

Peace.

Cyrena:

“How do you get off saying that this came from Obama? He didn’t come up with this organization? He wasn’t around when Hillary joined up!”

Once again, you show how obtuse you are.  My comment - “This is straight out of the Obama tit-for-tat playbook” - does not imply that it “came from” Obama, only that it is a tactic used by Obama and his supporters: i.e., if something arises that “hurts” your candidacy, attempt to level an “equal” (or greater) charge against the other candidate.

You really are a piece of work.

Peace.  (of work)

Here’s an idea re: “self correction”:

How about after the election we change the name of this duck that looks like, sounds like and walks like America?

If something goes sour, you change its name hoping people can forget the negative.

If for no other reason, the white euro-male image in the name has become a self-fulfilling prophecy and needs to go. 

I’m sure there are a lot of creative people who could come up with an appopriate name for a country that prides itself on being free, egalitarian, united under a constitution and powered by its own citizens--on no uncertain terms.

Please, nothing like “The Plutocratic States of Bush”

BTW, IMO this country will self-correct when the Yellowstone caldron finally blows.

What unjustified attacks on real people jacob freeze?

You’d damn sure better start citing whatever it is that you are accusing me of, because I don’t make UNJUSTIFIED attacks on anybody.

And, WHO ARE YOU...that you have a problem with my name? Are you related to any other posters on this site?

Are you a pseudonym for one of them? Maybe one of many pseudonyms? The racist hate rantings are really familiar.

Do you know Barack Obama personally to know that he is a coward? Do you know me?

Do we need to track you down and warn the Secret Service that you might be a terrorist looking to do harm to an elected official, or just another citizen?

Has it come to that? You sound like you’re having a serious meltdown, and I take those seriously myself.

Maybe you should take a chill pill, before you work yourself up into a self-destructive frenzy. Sounds like you’re real close.

Maani...you’re at it again…

“This is straight out of the Obama tit-for-tat playbook.”

How do you get off saying that this came from Obama? He didn’t come up with this organization? He wasn’t around when Hillary joined up!

Maani, please shut up. We’re tired of talking about Rev. Wright now. I didn’t know him before a month ago, and outside of Chicago, (or the church community) I suspect that most folks didn’t.

He DID visit the White House when the Clinton’s lived there, (as their guest) but ya know Maani, most of us don’t even CARE ABOUT THAT!

Well Jacob,

You’re such a hater, and you tell such lies out of context here.

But, if you really want to just forget Obama, being the racist that you can’t help being, then...THAT’S WHAT YOU SHOULD DO!

Of course if you keep writing about him, you’re not really gonna be able to forget him, now are you?

I think you should plan a move as well. He’s gonna be the president.

Fellow geniuses, I give you, E.J. DIONNE!!!:

“I’m a liberal and I loathe the anti-American things Wright said, precisely because I believe that the genius of our country is its capacity for self-correction.”

Genius? Self-correction? You mean that little voice in our MENSA-certified collective consciousness that ever since Vietnam has stayed our hand whenever the impulse arises to murder and maim non-English speaking persons of color?  You know, the less mentally endowed folks who stand between us and our lust for global market domination, and who otherwise provoke our general homicidal tendencies?  Who used to live (before we killed them) in Iraq, Afghanistan, Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, et al? 

Didn’t think so.

Honestly, don’t the mewlings of “mainstream” liberals like E.J. Dionne just make you wanna puke? The bottom line is: Whitey doesn’t “get it;” Whitey never “got it;” and Whitey never is going to “get it,” because “getting it” would require him to admit to himself—and crucially, to others—that he is a monster. It’s a rare man indeed who is capable of the penetrating insight and pitiless self-examination necessary to see that “we” are the ultimate source of all of our problems. Needless to say, E.J. has been tested and found wanting. 

And now, back to the inferno…

If you don’t know why God (assuming the existence of a harsh, punative, personal skygod made in our own image) should damn America, you just haven’t been paying attention.

Barack Obama said what needed to be said about race relations in this country and now it is time to move on. We just lost three more American lives in Iraq that are far more important than the words of an inner city preacher in Chicago. This election should be focused on the war in Iraq, our lousy economy, and the sad state of health care in this country. Republican’s would rather talk about race and it is easy to see why. They will be crushed if they debate the real issues. Better for them to talk about a series of “wedge” issues just like in 2004. I think Obama is too smart to let that happen. And John McCain is not George W. Bush. He has shown in the past that he won’t sink to that level in order to win an election. Maybe both candidates will be able to regain the high ground. America will sure be better for it.

No, Maani, that comment has nothing to to with any Obama playbook.  That comment has everything to do with what i’ve learned about the “the Family”; as it has actually injected itself into policy and it has provided support to dictators...as it was founded by an anti-Communist, anti-union preacher...and as it is mostly (but not wholly) populated by the most right wing of the right wing elite.  And i have some issues with secret societies...not as much as you and your NWO fetish (though you strangely support a candidate who’s husband worked so hard to fulfill the plans of such a thing if it does exist)

I would be most happy with an atheist or agnostic President, but i ain’t gonna get it.  I have never been to church, and i’m not ever going to go to church...it’s a crutch.  And most of them are filled with lies.  If Jesus Christ was here today, he wouldn’t be a Christian...we can be damned sure of that.

And MLK did use some pretty heavy language if you listen to the full extent of his sermons.  Wright wasn’t telling anyone to go kill Whitey…

I don’t give a rat’s ass how it plays in the broader national sense or how it plays among Clinton supporters or how it plays in the black community.

I’ve come to the point where i won’t be voting for any of these clowns; i’ve never “supported” any of them anyhow...prefer is not the same thing as support.  I’ve hated both Clintons since 1992, for reasons that have nothing to do with nonexistent “VRWC’s”.  This campaign has only cemented that feeling...and her supporters are like pouring gasoline on a bonfire.

I hope that she wins the nomination, i really do.  I can’t wait to read the Barrett Report in full.  I can’t wait to watch the Republicans attack her.  I can’t wait to hear how Bill explains the pardoning of FALN terrorists.  I can’t wait to hear her “it’s not fair” speeches.  I can’t wait see her tears.  I can’t wait to hear from people like you how we need to support her, for the good of the country and all that jazz. 

Not me, i’m going to laugh and laugh and laugh...and write in Samuel Clemens come November.  I’m not a Democrat.  And i fail to see how John McCain will be any worse than Hillary Clinton (at least he might pleasantly surprise us once he’s released from pandering to the Republican base).  I have no reason to think that Hillary’s administration will be any less incompetent than her husband’s was.  Moreover, the shit-storm headed our way won’t be solved by any of them.  A good portion of it is Bill Clinton’s fault, so it would be poetic justice for it to land in Hillary’s lap.

Good luck and Go Hillary

JS:

“And before we spend all our time calling the kettle black, we might want to do a little reading about “The Fellowship” (or “The Family").  A very right wing, fundamentalist organization that operates in secret to further the political power goals of the elite.  An organization that Sen Clinton has been a member of since 1993.”

This is straight out of the Obama tit-for-tat playbook.

The Family (and the Fellowship) are bipartisan; there is nothing “nefarious” or “sinister” about a Democrat learning and praying with (ohmigod!) Republicans.  Hillary has not been a member of the Family for 20 years, and has not attended nearly as many of the “services” of the Family as Obama has at Trinity.  She was not married by David Coe.  Her child was not baptized by David Coe.  David Coe is not her “spiritual advisor.” She does not consider David Coe “family” the way Obama does Rev. Wright.

There is ZERO similarity here.  Stop grasping at straws.

That said, I have no problem with MOST of the things Wright has said; they are, indeed, hard truths.  It is the WAY that he says them that is “wrong.” As I have said before, moral outrage and righteous indignation are perfectly appropriate reactions to various injustices and moral wrongs.  But Wright’s approach is self-defeating, especially if one of the “goals” is to turn words into action.  After all, MLK did not need to resort to incendiary, inflammatory and off-putting language in order to express HIS moral outrage and righteous indignation.  And he got RESULTS; his words became action.  Similarly with Gandhi, one of the most soft-spoken leaders in history, whose words and actions changed a nation of over 500 million people - without rancor or insult of any kind.

Wright may be in a “tradition” of black church leaders in expressing his moral outrage the way he does.  and if the “change” he wants to effect is local, then he may well be a truly effective leader.  But if his goal is to effect change on a broader level - nationally - then his incendiary language is self-defeating.  Because while his “approach” may “play well” WITHIN the black church community, it does NOT “play well” in the broader national sense.

Peace.

Maybe you should youtube the sermon and watch the whole thing.  I’m not saying Wright was correct, or that Obama should cuddle with him...but to take one phrase out of a whole sermon and repeat it ad nauseaum is almost exactly the same thing that you’re accusing Cyrena of.

Unless you’re just happy that you have something to be angry about; if that’s the case, go for it.

BTW, patriotism and nationalism are not the same thing.  A patriot can still say “God Damn America” for specific actions.  A nationalist believes that nothing bad should ever be said about his country.  The former is based on reason, the latter is nothing more than belief...and often willful ignorance.

VillegeElder,

Thanks for the huffington link. I don’t generally read her much anymore, but this was an excellent piece.

Wedge strategy indeed. I think the author describes very well what he and his dad were..instigators and agitators.

• “Surely you jest, Felicity.”

Felicity,

I had to chuckle…

In a nutshell, (and I think Thomas Billis said it well) MOST folks are not offended by this sermon, except of course for the non-thinkers.

But, it’s not JUST the ‘non-thinkers’ because there are a handful of posters on this site, who have used it for the same purposes that it was designed and perpetrated by the media. It’s just one of many. And, they aren’t so much ‘non-thinkers’ as they are intentionally treacherous, which DOES involve a level of thinking...deceit being the goal.. They perpetrate the below tactics, voluntarily or maybe they are paid by the Hillary campaign:

The story and link below provide a list of only a few.

Hillary Clinton’s Campaign IEDs (Insinuations, Exaggerations and Distortions)
By Stephen Pizzo, News for Real. Posted March 17, 2008.

The Clintons have built their entire political lives on the premise that if they can’t win pretty, they’ll settle for winning ugly.

What are you going to do if Hillary Clinton succeeds bagging the Democratic Party nomination for President by playing dirty?

I’ve begun thinking about that more and more over the last couple of weeks. The Clintons have built their entire political lives on the premise that, if they can’t win pretty, they’ll settle for winning ugly.

Which is why things have gotten so ugly lately. Once it became clear she could not beat Obama in a fair fight they switched tactics. IED’s (Insinuations, Exaggerations and Distortions) are now the weapons of choice for the Clinton campaign. Hardly a day goes by now when one of these IEDs doesn’t explode into the news.

“Is Obama a Muslim.” Hillary was asked on 60-Minutes. “No. Not as far as I know,” she replied.

BOOM!

“Obama is not ready to become Commander-in-Chief,” Hillary warns then coyly adds, if voters on the fence pick her, she’d consider putting Obama a heartbeat away from becoming Commander-in-Chief.

BOOM!

“I have crossed the threshold and met the national security test to be Commander-in-Chief,” Hillary says. “John McCain has also met that test. Obama gave a speech.”

BOOM!

“The reason Obama has gotten where he is today is because he’s black,” pronounced Clinton supporter and finance committee big shot, Geraldine Ferraro.

BOOM!

BTW—that was not the first time Ferraro set off a racial IED in the midst of a presidential primary. A Ferraro flashback:

“If Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn’t be in the race,” she said.

More at the link

http://www.alternet.org/election08/79869

Now on THIS blog, the plants/trolls have become overwhelmingly obvious, because they take every single opportunity to distort, twist, or less- than- subtly imply something that isn’t.

They include Maani, bert, lib in Texas, Douglas Chalmers, Jacob Freeze, Joe in Maine, and assorted others who pop in and out to drop their hate infused bombs. Some are more obvious than others, and so there’s always the guess on whether or not they really are that ignorant, or if it’s just the perfidy and mendacity creating the stench.

So, that’s just a BOLO on them. The biggest question for a few of them is whether or not they’re actually Hillary supporters, or if they’re just trolls in the mix to damage Obama, caring little about who actually wins, as long as it isn’t him.

It would appear from the posts though, that racial bigotry is at the heart of it.

As for the rest of us dwelling in reality, we might be ‘offended’ by many things, but the truth ain’t one of ‘em.

This reminds me of a ‘cartoon’ included on a poster announcement for a conference on Racial Profiling that took place a few years ago.

The drawing includes a car stopped at the curb, and a very tall female police officer addressing a short black guy, (looked like a teenager)as he stood beside what was apparently his vehicle..

The caption is the officer telling him,

“I knew you were up to no good as soon as I saw you were black”.

And then there’s the video of a Dick Gregory routine that I received in my email the other day. In a portion of it, he describes driving down a New Jersey turnpike, and noticing (in his rearview mirror) a police vehicle approaching from behind. He relates the immediate fear and apprehension, including the ‘white knuckled’ grasping of the steering wheel, and the beads of sweat popping out all over. And then he describes first the relief at the fact that the police vehicle continues on past him, and then the rage at the realization that, HE HADN’T DONE ANYTHING WRONG, so why the hell was he so worked up and frightened at the sight of the police car, assuming himself to be the target.

And, it’s ALL real. Happens all day, every day, somewhere in America.

It also reminds me of the fact that many other people of the world have been paying very close attention to this 300 year old phenomenon in America. I remember seeing a film “The Power of Nightmares” that told the story of Sayyid Qutb, who is most often noted as sort of the father to what would later become the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, even though he did not form or even belong to the group himself. He spent time in the US, and one of the many things that stuck him, (unfavorably) about the US, was its treatment of its own African-American citizens. He noted that a foreigner (of African descent) received far more respect and dignity as a human being, than those blacks in the US. That, (among many other things, including the fact that he was a bit odd himself) led to what would later become a very negative attitude toward the US and the West in general.

He’s definitely not the only one who has continued to observe this.

Needless to say, that’s what makes it such a farce for any member of the US government to pretend to pay any sort of lip service to human rights abuses in other nations.

Get real BobZ.  Where have you been the last two decades.  MSM stands for ‘Mindless Showy Misinformation’.  Even PBS and NPR are corrupted and tweaked by plutocratic bureaucrats.

It seems that any time a black person speaks out a media storm ensues.  Forty years ago with SNCC, Black Power, Malcom X and on and on harsh criticism of these United States by a Black person put the talking heads into a tizzy.

I’ve often wondered by there is no endless cycling of the white right wing nut preachers comments coupled with the proper hand wringing and pronouncements.  During the Reagan years Falwell, Robertson and other were rewarded for calling for the downing of the government due to the usual suspects: abortionists, sex educators, humanists, godless communists, homosexuals, rebellious women and etc.. 

This link sheds a bit of historical light on the gathering of the ecclesiastical storm of bigotry and condemnation and how it was rewarded by the repuglicans as part of their wedge strategy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-m inister-committe_b_91774.html

a far from complete look, but an interesting entry . . .

Could you specify which of what you cited are the ravings of your liberal friends?

I guess anyone who expresses any anger at being a second class citizen for 230 years is a raving lunatic.I guess as you are being lynched you should be singing the Star Spangled Banner.Who would have thought the United States would infect black people with syphillis to test its effects.Why not just tell the Jews to get over the whole Hitler experience rather than raving about it all the time.America rather than coming to grips about its racist past would rather just forget about it.Instead of contemplating it anyone who brings it up is called a raver.This by so called liberal friends.

About the Rev. Jeremiah Wright

Please listen to the whole “Chickens coming home…” sermon. (it’s only 10 minutes long), and you will see that he was actually quoting someone else who was quoting Malcolm X. In context, the sermon is totally different.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

The only people offended were the non-thinkers who still follow everything the televised opinionists say. Those are the only people so uninformed as to believe thirty second clips equate to thirty years worth of sermons.

These politically-charged personalities on TV wouldn’t even let the issue die after Barack successfully quashed the idea his beliefs coincided with what was said in the sound bytes. These idiot-box politojockies have nothing else on the agenda (and weren’t prepared for a deft defense from Obama), so they keep beating the story even though it is effectively nullified of any validity.

It doesn’t matter what people really think, so long as you can have complete access to the airwaves to repeat two or three lines ad nauseum. That’s the Sean Hannity logic.

so Wright’s homily didn’t offend (me either) or I guess most of the posters on this blog. 

So just exactly who were offended and why. Anybody out there?  Does anybody suppose that this HUGE, to quote the media, ‘problem’ of the errant preacher and his close friend and apparent mentee is solely a media creation aided and abetted by Reps and Clinton plants?  Surely you jest, Felicity.

The only ones I’ve heard spouting ignorance and prejudice are the media mouths.  If you have heard others, please give me their names.  I’ll send them a good what for.

Compare Wright to John Laws, Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, the media bogeymen.  Wright speaks truths that many don’t want to hear.

But Bob, this is THE issue.

Seriously, thank you.

This idea Wright is somehow a hate monger and anti-American is complete bullshit and manufactured controversy. He has legitimate criticisms of the US government not the PEOPLE OF AMERICA! Instead of listening to sound bytes and watching YouTube clips alone, perhaps people should look at all sides of the issues before spouting their ignorance and prejudice.

I can’t believe how the media and the right wing have inflated this issue to such huge proportions. I listened to the sound bites of Wright and actually laughed at how ludicrous it was that his comments were being made an issue. Only in America can we get so self rightheous about an inner city pastor speaking about past injustices to black people in America. Did we all forget about what we learned in American history? It is apparent the media is trying to create controversy about issues like this because they perceive the public is bored by discussions on the real issues like Iraq, the economy, and health care. It’s one thing for Fox News to be all over this idiocy, but CNN, MNBC, and the big three are also in a feeding frenzy. In a way, it’s an insult to all of us to think that we aren’t intelligent enough to discern real issues from manufactured issues. I just hope we aren’t going to be faced with one after another of this type of baloney. it’s a disservice to all of us.

Thanks JimBob

Quoting from Wright, who by the way appears to have more white blood in him than Obama:

“We took this country by terror away from the Sioux, the Apache, Arikara, the Comanche, the Arapaho, the Navajo. Terrorism.

“We took Africans away from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear. Terrorism.

“We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians, babies, non-military personnel.

“We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers and killed unarmed teenage and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard working fathers.

“We bombed Qaddafi’s home, and killed his child. Blessed are they who bash your children’s head against the rock.

“We bombed Iraq. We killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to pay back for the attack on our embassy, killed hundreds of hard working people, mothers and fathers who left home to go that day not knowing that they’d never get back home.

“We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.

“Kids playing in the playground. Mothers picking up children after school. Civilians, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day.

“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff that we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.

“Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y’all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people we have wounded don’t have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that.”

stay in the pines? don’t look now mensa, but your geographical knowledge is as deflated as your IQ. The only thing I need to stay out of the way of is cretins like you. My pitiful, mail order education only got me the ability to live in the Florida Keys. As in Big Pine Key, 30 miles east of Key West, simpleton.

Now where in Arkansas did you say you were from?
Soooooo...eeeee!!!!

Or maybe the pundits have the classic Napoleon penis envy and love the sound of their own voices, collectively or singly. Maybe it is time to tune them out.  Who can think better, them or you?

The problem is people are reacting to the story on the terms of Mainstream Media Spin instead of looking at the situation as a non-issue that it is. Then, of course, the Hillary-supporters don’t necessary mind fanning the flames if it can get a couple more votes on their side.

The fact is, Reverend Wright has been a pastor for over thirty years, and no one paid any notice to him before now. His statements are in no way as awful, anti-American and disparaging as the comments by the late Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. Let’s not deny the double standard. This is only an issue to those who are cowed by the MSM, and think it is discussion-worthy simply because they were told it is. It’s disgusting.

Obama apologized for the distorted view of Wright (which, even close to accuracy, was exaggerated and in the heat of the moment), but people keep talking about this as if it has some validity in a political sense. It doesn’t. The Farrakhan remarks, the Rezko remarks, the Hussein remarks or these new Wright remarks have nothing to do with Barack Obama as a person, but keep popping up as a way to distort his image even though in every instance these attacks surface they are based on either invalid or flimsy material.

Facts don’t matter. It just matters what CNN, MSNBC, NBC, FOX NEWS AND ABC broadcast endlessly on the air.

I still say we should boycott, sue and bankrupt these institutions who have forsaken America in lieu of profit.

Can anyone point out anything that the pastor said that was untrue?

No?

Then what’s the problem?

I hear all the pundits rail about the hate speech that the pastor used, but hell, I have 2 university degrees, and for the life of me I didn’t hear anything remotely close to hate speech. It could be poor education on my part I suppose. Or maybe it’s the inability of people to accept self-introspection and analysis when it is less than complimentry.

I think I’ll go with the latter.

Go Spartans and Gators!

I was not offended by Wright at all. E.J. is ultimately a scared white guy, I guess. I guess the article is somewhat objective after that consideration.

It’s pretty much impossible to hope Obama can be judged on his own merits, though, because everyone has been trying to throw guilt by association onto Barack since people found out his middle name was Hussein. Then came Rezko and Farrakhan now Wright. Doesn’t matter who Obama the person is, so long as righties and Clintonistas can find a way to tie him to other people.

And before we spend all our time calling the kettle black, we might want to do a little reading about “The Fellowship” (or “The Family").  A very right wing, fundamentalist organization that operates in secret to further the political power goals of the elite.  An organization that Sen Clinton has been a member of since 1993...but i’m not expecting rejections, renunciations, or denunciations any time soon.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/20/7798/

The Rev Wright did Not offend me (White natural born 44 yr old female) To me his sermons were to fellow AmericaNs who have allowed our country to be run aground by Institutional Racism, andSexism. WE know blaming any minority for the conditions inflicted on them is counterproductive. The conditions facing minorities are deep rooted to the point of being Sanctioned. This is wrong. We need not talk about Race Or Gender- We need to start discussing th ePsychological and Sociological situtaions that creat these unnecessary divides. AmericaNs have Progressed, but many of the Insititutions have lagged far behind. Want to decrease violence in the cities- make them places of industry and NOT living.One only needs to read a study regarding th eeffects of overpopulation on any other species and you will clearly seee the correlation between limited space and anti social behavior (violence, gangs, child rearing..) WE all need some elbow room- for our mental and physical well being.
However the Sermons by a Preacher in NY named Manning is Offensive and an assault on AmericaNs and Civility. He supports Hillary. What a vile Sanke Oil Dealer this one is- spewing Hate, fear and Self Importance. this man should be On Every News Cycle- Fro he is an example of wha tis Wrong with America. had I been in that ‘church’ during th e sermoon I saw I would have had to walk up and drop him like a 100lb bag of crap!! Truth dig would benefit US all to show his Sermon REV Manning NY A Clinton Supporter who has the audacity to grant Hillary the accomplishments of her Husband ( a Racist and Sexist Hate Monger)