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Looking Beyond the ‘Racial Divide’

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Posted on Mar 17, 2008
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By Bill Boyarsky

Sen. Barack Obama’s latest, and possibly greatest, challenge is to overcome a simplistic view that the United States is hopelessly split by a racial divide that could badly damage his candidacy.

I’m not arguing against the existence of such a divide. That would be dumb. But voting and polling in this year’s elections, census studies and other surveys show that attitudes are changing. The change strengthens the prospects that Obama will survive this current grim period for his campaign and go on to win the presidency.

There’s no doubt that the race issue has buffeted Obama, son of a black father from Kenya and a white mother from Kansas.

Last week, he was forced to deal with the assault of Geraldine Ferraro, a supporter of Sen. Hillary Clinton. Ferraro, the 1984 Democratic vice presidential nominee, portrayed Obama as an affirmative action beneficiary—someone who made it only because he was black. 

Obama has had to condemn the sermonizing of his pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright of Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ, who said, “We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York, and we never batted an eye.” In a later sermon, Wright declared, “No, no, no, not God bless America—God damn America!”

Wright has left the Obama campaign’s spiritual advisory committee. And Obama told Keith Olbermann on MSNBC: “I did not hear such incendiary language myself personally either in conversation with him or when I was in the pew. ... These particular statements that have been gathered are ones that I would have strongly objected to, strongly condemned had I heard them in church. I would have expressed that concern directly to Rev. Wright.”

There was a time when association with the Rev. Wright would have been fatal to the Obama candidacy. But the nation is changing, a transformation dramatically reflected in an analysis of the census done by the Population Reference Bureau of Washington, D.C. The analysis, published in the bureau’s June 2005 Population Bulletin, focused on intermarriage.

“Interracial marriage has increased across most racial groups, and although they are still the exception to the norm, these interracial marriages are generating a growing population of multi-racial Americans,” the study said.

It found that racial intermarriage increased from less than 1 percent of all married couples in 1970 to more than 5 percent in 2000. The number of children living in interracial households rose from 900,000 in 1970 to 3.4 million in 2000.

A Gallup poll in 2003 reported that 86 percent of blacks, 79 percent of Hispanics and 66 percent of whites would accept a child or grandchild marrying someone of a different race. And a Princeton Research Associates poll the same year said that 77 percent of the respondents agreed it was all right for blacks and whites to date each other.

These polls and analyses fit in with the experiences of many Americans who have a son, a daughter, a cousin, a grandchild or another relative or a friend in an interracial marriage.

“As intermarriage continues to increase, further blurring racial and ethnic group boundaries, Americans’ notions of race and ethnicity will surely change,” the study concluded.

I saw a graphic example of this recently when I moderated a debate between the candidates for a California state Assembly seat in Los Angeles’ San Fernando Valley. The district itself is an example of racial change. Once heavily white, it is now 42 percent white, 39 percent Hispanic, 12 percent Asian and 5 percent black.

I asked the candidates what they thought of the gang warfare now afflicting Los Angeles, exacerbated by battles between African-American and Latino gangs. 

One of the candidates, Bob Blumenfield, is white, Jewish and chair of the Valley Anti-Defamation League. His wife is African-American. They live across the street from his parents. She was in the audience at the synagogue where the debate was held. Twenty-five years ago, this would have been unimaginable.

Blumenfield’s reply to my question about gangs also reflected something new. A quarter of a century ago, a candidate’s reply would have been simple: more cops. Blumenfield’s was complex, reflecting his family’s life. With his wife and their daughter African-American, and knowing the racial aspect of the gang warfare, he said he worries about them both.

Primary election exit polls also offer hope to Obama that the racial divide will not cost him the election. In Deep South primaries, he won about 24 percent of the white vote, a trend that was first evident in South Carolina and continued into Mississippi. In Ohio, Clinton beat him among whites 65 percent to 33 percent. But they split the white vote in Maryland. Obama took 52 percent of the white vote in Virginia, compared to Clinton’s 47 percent. And polls show Clinton and Obama running equally well against Sen. John McCain.

It could be that race relations in America are taking a new turn, unfamiliar to those of us who see everything through the prism of mid- and late 20th century conflict. Obama talked about that Saturday in Plainfield, Ind. Speaking as “someone who was born into a diverse family, as someone who has little pieces of America within me,” he said, “what I believe is this country wants to move beyond these debates, that this country wants something different.”

In the heat of the campaign and in the blur of daily news and commentary, we forget how this contest between a woman and an African-American man shows how far the nation has come in a relatively few years. The rivalry between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama will be remembered long after 2008 as a turning point in American history.

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By Joe Sixpack, March 18 at 9:56 am #
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I am a Democrat that has watched my party nominate Kerry and get Bush. Before that we nominated Gore and got Bush. Before Clinton we nominated Dukakis and got Bush, nominated Mondale and got Reagan. We nominated McGovern and got Nixon. We nominated Humphry and got Nixon.

I am a Democrat and I want to WIN!

Do I believe that Obama would be a great President? Yes I do. Do I believe he can get elected? No way. He is a fatally-flawed candidate. It doesn’t even pass the quickest of smell tests. Let me illustrate what I mean.

Katie Couric: Senator Obama, Senator McCain, thank you both for participating in tonight’s first debate for the presidency. First question to you Senator McCain. You’ve made speeches that suggest your opponent isn’t ready to be POTUS. Can you explain whay you believe this to be the case.

McCain. Thank you Katie it’s great to be here tonight. My friends, I want to assure you that Barak Obama is a good and decent man. It’s an honor to share the debate stage with him tonight. You have inspired millions to get involved in the political process and I commend you for that. I say to you senator Obama that I respect your story and your life’s journey that has brought you to this stage tonight. I have joked many times on the campaign trail that I will try my best not to hold your youth and inexperience against you but like any good joke, there is a small truth buried in the humor. I feel strongly that this must be said. Let me be very clear on my experience. I was educated at the Naval Acadamy. I flew an A-4 in Vietnam and saw many of my shipmates die in a ill-concieved foreign conflict. I was a POW and fought to keep my fellow prisoners safe. I was elected to congress in 1982 as part of the Reagan Revolution. I have served in the senate for over 20 years and always served and loved this great country to the best of my ability for over 50 years. I have to say that the American people, in this time of war and uncertainty, have to be sure of the qualifications of it’s next leader. When the American people are given the choice between a one-third of one term freshman senator, a man who has seemingly been running for president since his speech at the democratic national convention and has never served a day in public life when he was not running for a higher office, and myself, I feel very confident that my life experiences will prevail.

Katie Couric: Senator Obama, your reaction?

Obama: Ahhhhhhh. Yeah. What he said. Oh wait.

GAME OVER

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By Aegrus, March 18 at 11:12 am #
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Re: Re: I Agree With Joe in Maine

The reality is Mr McCain’s war experience is not going to help him as much as many people think it will. It’s a weak argument because people are:

1)Fed up with war
2)Focused on the economy
3)Anti-Republican
4)Flocking to Obama

You can sit there and say things will be devastating and that Obama can’t win, but YOU DON’T KNOW! Ya aren’t clairvoyant! The fact that you support a deaf and dumb campaign means you can’t face reality because the reality has CHANGED. You want to win? Vote for Barack Obama because he IS winning and WILL continue to WIN all the way to the White House.

Not you, Maani, Lib, Rush Limbaugh, William Kristol, Sean Hannity, Pat Buchanan or Tucker Carlson will be able to stop a damn thing. The Republicans who want to bloody Obama politically will wind up falling on their own double-edged sword.

Go ahead and don’t face what’s happening in America. Refuse to recognize the change. Fine! But change is here, and it is good.

Barack Obama 2008

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By Aegrus, March 18 at 10:12 am #
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Such articulate eloquence is in short supply. How many people can write an entire campaign off with so few words? Genius.

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By Aegrus, March 18 at 10:59 am #
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That’s a hypothetical to an infinite exponential! You have no way of knowing how Barack would answer that question right now. It’s a bad example of a situation, but the perfect example of a baiting scare-tactic. That is the real reality.

We can sit here and debate, discuss, argue and vent for days, but there is NO WAY John McCain can handle ANY economic question. The economy means more than the war right now, and terrorism is taking a backseat to Iraq in the current political climate. You need to just release yourself from your opinions for a moment and be more objective because you continue to say things which are all hypothetical and are often proved wrong.

Just like these folks who say Wright will damn Obama’s campaign are living in a fantasy land. The speech today is just the beginning. Mark my words, Barack Obama will be the next president.

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By Maani, March 18 at 10:49 am #
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Aegrus:

Joe is not “writing off an entire campaign with so few words.” He is simply giving an example - and a darn good one - of the kind of thing Obama is likely to face during a general election campaign.  Indeed, Joe’s example is actually EXTREMELY “weak” compared to some of the things Obama is likely to face, both during debates and as the result of whatever mud-slinging and swift-boating the GOP does.

You REALLY need to wake up and see reality.

Peace.

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By RdV, March 18 at 8:52 am #
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Lincolnesque

Reading the speech is not comparable to witnessing him deliver it.
Considering Bush’s halting, My-Pet-Goat delivery and Clinton’s scolding monotone, it was an eloquent performance that we don’t have much occasion to appreciate.
There is no denying that Barak has authenticity and class and that is bound to cause resent, and seething envy in some quarters. In fact, you can gage the effectiveness by the shrill backlash of his detractors.

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By Maani, March 18 at 10:45 am #
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Re: Lincolnesque

RdV:

Holy cow!  Apparently, a Hillary supporter cannot even say something NICE about Obama without getting a negative response.

You might try being a little more gracious.  Something like, “Gee, Maani, considering what a Hill-the-shill supporter you are, it’s nice that you finally have something nice to say about Obama.”

Apparently, you just couldn’t bring yourself to do that.

Peace.

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By Maani, March 18 at 12:09 pm #
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Re: Re: Lincolnesque

RdV:

Oops.  Sorry.  Sounded like a retort.  Understood.

Peace.

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By RdV, March 18 at 11:32 am #
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Re: Re: Lincolnesque

The only aspect directed at you personally was the bit about his delivery vs read.
The rest is boilerplate contempt for Clinton.
Nothing personal.

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By American Who Cares, March 18 at 8:33 am #
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America Is Still Stupid

We have endured the worst 8 years in American history in my opinion with the current administration. McCain is an older version of Bush. He would most likely he would continue the gameplan of the neo-zionists to conquer the Middle East and move eastward to eventually try to conquer the world. This country would be on spam and eggs for generations.

Now, we have a black man running for president and his preacher states his mind and America gets stupid. Robertson talked to Bush and calls for the assasination of Chavez and nothing is said. Bush, himself, has said some stupid sh*t and nothing is said. Bush & Co still has not done anything re Katrina relief and nothing is said. America is sill stupid.

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By benza, March 18 at 3:12 pm #
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Re: America Is Still Stupid

Scientists agree, the man on the street see for himself, that ‘Climate Change’ is a fact.
The whole of America knows ‘Climate Change’ for a fact.
Yet selects to be governed by ‘father and son’ Bush who have proved themselves to be stupid in many ways besides being blind to the bvious: ‘Climate Change’.
The ‘father’ Bush proved he is stupid on knowledge of Geography of World and Current Affairs.
The ‘son’ Bush proved his stupidity by his behaviour at a Summit Conference: G8 in Germany.
Americans deserve their ‘Leader’.
QED.

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By Maani, March 18 at 8:23 am #
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Although I didn’t see the speech, I did read the transcript.  And I must admit that the overwhelming majority of it was very good, and that he seems to have successfully separated himself “from the words but not the man.” I still think this may come back to haunt him, but his approach was very good.

One paragraph jumped out at me.  I’m not trying to be nit-picky, since, as stated, I found most of the speech to be well-thought-out.  But this jumped out at me:

“But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren’t simply controversial. They weren’t simply a religious leader’s effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country - a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.”

I have to wonder why he added the last segment after the semicolon.  Even if the “sentiments” of the segment are understandable, it seems like a completely unnecessary - and very much out-of-place - “pandering” to Israel.

Again, other than this, I give kudos to Obama for a speech well put.

Peace.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, March 18 at 1:13 pm #
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I thought Obama’s speech was nothing short of MASTERFUL. And I’m not a supporter of his.

If Obama gets elected, at least we’ll have a president who can use the language and his brain.  These two ought to be part of a talent test to be president. 

The down side is, admittedly, if you get a president with brains and criminal tendencies, you’re really in trouble.  Thank Zeus our current C in C only has one of them.

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By Aegrus, March 18 at 9:02 am #
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Definitely true on all accounts, maani.

I have to say, though, this is exactly what I wanted Barack Obama to say. This discussion is far from over, but Obama put a significant hurdle in front of the smear machine. If he can keep up this level of potency, poise and perspective, Hillary Clinton and John McCain should just pack up and go home.

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By RdV, March 18 at 8:58 am #
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Re: segment after the semicolon

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080324/alterman

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By J. Dray, March 18 at 8:03 am #
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Bigots

Jacob, you are everything that is wrong with america!

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By Hammo, March 18 at 7:51 am #
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Obama’s ethnicity is a significant factor in the current Dem contest ... but many people like him, no matter what his ethnicity, because he was against the Iraq war and appears to have better judgment than Hillary Clinton or John McCain.

Food for thought in the articles ...

“Obama faces Ohio hearts and minds”

AmericanChronicle.com
February 28, 2008

http://americanchronicle.com/articles/53747

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“Obama’s Iraq position, mixed ethnicity are key factors”

AmericanChronicle.com
February 22, 2008

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/53128

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“Mixed-ethnicity Americans face challenges”

AmericanChronicle.com
January 30, 2008

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/50835

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By benza, March 18 at 7:17 am #
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Zimbabwe . . . Robert Mugabe

Does not Truth Dig look around the world?

If it did it would see an innocent nation condemned to death by ignorance of international commentators.

In ten more days there would be an election in Zimbabwe.

The one billion dollars a month salaried Army has declared it would NOT accept anyone but Mugabe as president.

Please see: http://benzaloy.blogspot.com/2008/03/heavenly-prices-a nd-salaries-in-hellish.html

Forgive me if this is the wrong place.

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By Sharon Ash, March 18 at 6:48 am #
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Birds of a Feather

Birds of a feather do ‘flock’ together.  Obama had a 17 year ‘flocking together’ with a slum landlord who is under investigation for various federal offenses.  He has had a 20 year ‘flocking together’ with a racist spiritual advisor.  You are known by the company you keep and if these two are any indication of the type of people he would attract to his administration, well, I personally have not been dumbed down quite enough to find this acceptable.  God damn all angry men, white or black, in charge of the office of president.

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By Maani, March 18 at 6:42 am #
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I posted this on the other thread, but felt it worth posting here.  It is the best article I have read today (out of about a dozen) on Obama’s situation and speech.  It is even-handed and incisive.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9095.html

Peace.

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By Aegrus, March 18 at 7:09 am #
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It was an okay article. Honestly, I don’t like it when people claim common sense is incisive. There isn’t anything inaccurate about what was stated, but it didn’t really provide any insight into the issue. Even-handed… both firmly under the author’s backside.

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By Maani, March 18 at 5:35 am #
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Obama may not have been “in the pews” when Wright delivered some of his more caustic sermons.  But to suggest that you were COMPLETELY unaware of the beliefs and positions of the person who was your pastor for 20 years, the person who married you and baptised your children, and by your own admission a close friend and spiritual advisor for that entire 20 years flies in the face of logic, common sense and probability.

If Obama tries to distance himself only partially - which is apparently what he intends to do - he will only make it worse.  He needs to distance himself totally and completely from Wright - no matter the length and closeness of their relationship - or this issue will simply not go away.

Peace.

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By lib in texas, March 18 at 8:49 am #
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Re: Maani

He admitted he lied and WAS in the pews!!!

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By Aegrus, March 18 at 9:11 am #
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Re: Re: Maani

He was in Miami.

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By Aegrus, March 18 at 6:10 am #
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Maani, you and everyone else talking about this issue as if it was valid make me laugh. No one could take Barack Obama down as a person, on the issues or by his merits. Now, the idea is to look at anyone he is associated with and cast guilt on Obama for their opinions. It’s ridiculous, and is not going to work.

Even the argument itself is riddled with faults. Much like the idea of criticizing Obama for his no vote on 100 or so pieces of legislation in his state senate career, which consisted of more than 4000 votes. These clips are just that. Clips of a pastor who has been preaching for over thirty years. Not only are these sound bits not entirely indicative of Jeremiah Wright, but the context has been thoroughly blown out of proportion. It is fair for a person to criticize American foreign policy and Israeli treatment of Palestinians. To chastise these comments is a huge double standard in comparison to your regular TV evangelist, and you should know this to be true as a preacher, Maani.

I’ve no doubt Wright has inspired Barack Obama, as he stated so in his book. However, it is of dubious validity to claim it was the criticism of Israel and any other remarks which could be considered anti-semitic which caused the inspiration. Many inspirational people have personality quirks or beliefs which are unorthodox, and you would be really hard pressed to find anyone worth listening to who is pure status-quo, repeating the same words we all know and believe already. Greatness is often unorthodox.

All this said, I’m willing to let you have the issue, though. Go ahead and vet Obama on his pastor. It’s the only fresh talking point the anti-Obama curmudgeons have. Vet him on this association, and when he deflects and reduces the argument to the bullshit as it is, we will have won again. Do what you must to try and pretend Hillary is relevant, and that Barack hates white people and Jews. Pretend the world is flat too. Whatever suits you best.

The fact is, Barack Obama distanced himself with these remarks when he began his campaign. Facts dictate Barack has challenged the black community to their face in big rallies about the homophobia, misogyny and racial/religious resentment held within their own people. Facts dictate these arguments are bunk as hell and that you have nothing of substance to say about Barack Obama anymore.

You lose. Barack Obama will be the next president of the United States of America.

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By Aegrus, March 18 at 8:58 am #
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Joe, don’t let fear dictate action. Now is not the time for weakness. Do what you know is right.

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By Joe Sixpack, March 18 at 8:26 am #
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Cyrena

I don’t always agree with everything you write, but I sure do enjoy reading your thoughts. I appreciate that you take the time to search your soul and share your inner beauty with us. You are absolute correct when you suggest that the racial ugliness of the campaign will never ‘blow over’ for those that were just waiting, on the edge of their seats, for that moment they could point to Obama and say, “See? I knew this guy hated whites! He’s going to destroy the country with his blah, blah blah.” Obama just gave a very good speech, the brilliant work of the constitutional law professor that he happens to be. I fear it won’t be ‘loud enough’ to drown out the filth that will continue to come from the right, but we can all hope right? I still don’t believe he’s electable, does that make me a cynic or what? I want to believe that this country is ready to elect a bold thinker like Obama, but I am still afraid we’ll nominate a man who will be slayed like a spring lamb in the general election.

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By Aegrus, March 18 at 7:40 am #
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cyrena, I thank you for the compliments.

It is to be said, though, that racism isn’t an ideology which is tried and true for dyed-in-the-wool followers so much as it is a social disorder perpetuated by ignorant upbringing. It’s got a lot to do with mental cognizance of others and identity relationship issues. A very complex problem, which requires a lot of attention.

You are right that certain folk do want to exploit these “magic negro” fears, though. It isn’t going to work this time, though. People think the Republican machine is unbeatable, battle-tested and ready on day one to destroy Democratic opposition, but the opposite is true right now.

We have had a lot of experience losing at the hands of fear-mongering and talking points, and Barack has done a skillful job of dealing with any of these tactics. The party as a whole, but particularly Barack Obama, are familiar with the patterns of attack, and are beginning to mount stable and effective defenses in addition to some good offensive maneuvers. The political climate of America has changed, people are very disillusioned with the Republican party and these tactics are really starting to show diminishing returns.

I’m not worried about John McCain. Especially with the economy in the toilet as it is (and expected to worsen), the only talking point necessary is McCain saying he really doesn’t understand economics. Honestly, if it comes down to worrying about terrorists attacking you (some amorphous fear of shadows) or whether or not you’ll be able to get your bread and butter… well, I think you know what will win.

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By cyrena, March 18 at 7:24 am #
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Thanks Aegrus!! What excellent commentary.

I admit that I believe it to be wasted on Maani, not to mention a handful of others. BUT, it serves a great purpose, (as does the report from Mr. Boyarsky) in putting a 21st Century reality on the social-psychology of our nation.

That said, I don’t know how long it will take this to ‘blow over’ ONLY because it was a ‘created’ incident to begin with, simply because, and ONLY because, Barack Obama is an African-American. And, as far as we have come, as a nation, in getting beyond this, there will ALWAYS be the die-hard racists among us, who will not now, or EVER, accept a black person as the president. It’s that simple.

Since it is not longer ‘acceptable’, socio-politically speaking, to display that racism in open, simple, and basically blatant terms, these people will find any other possible way around it, no matter how desperate it may be, and no matter how obviously irrational or illogical it may be.

I don’t mean to suggest that reasonable people may have perfectly valid reasons for PREFERRING another candidate. Staunch republicans may prefer John McCain, for whatever the reasons. Others may prefer Clinton, for the SAME reasons they prefer John McCain, (since my opinion is that their politics and positions are the same) These are the same people who would approve of a Clarence Thomas in the SC, even though he’s black.

But…I think we can easily differentiate between those who simply prefer another candidate, over those who are die-hard racists, and simply can never accept a black person of either gender, as a POTUS. They would NEVER say this, and have become so accustomed to the enforced denial, that they may even believe it themselves, though I don’t think that is the case with Maani.

But, I said that to say that it is BECAUSE of these people, that the issue with Rev. Wright is even an issue at all, and it has been a massive on-going effort on the part of these people, to PUT this out there to begin with. So, they will keep it going, to the extent that they can.

A comparative example shows the hypocrisy. John McCain has openly solicited and embraced the endorsement of John Hagee, whose hate language knows no bounds. He invokes God to damn Jews, Gays, Catholics, and the list goes on. (see the excerpt and link below).

he McCain-Hagee Connection
Why is the press ignoring this hate-monger?
By Zachary Roth Fri 7 Mar 2008 02:27 PM
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More than a week after John McCain’s endorsement by the anti-Catholic, anti-Semitic pastor John Hagee, the media continues to give the GOP nominee a free pass.
Consider the following pronouncements by Hagee, the man who McCain proudly introduced as an ally last week.
On Jews:
It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God’s chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day.
And:
How utterly repulsive, insulting, and heartbreaking to God for his chosen people to credit idols with bringing blessings he had showered upon the chosen people. Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of anti-Semitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come.

And, he goes on and on at the link.
http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/the_mccainhagee_conne ction_1.php

Still, there is not a peep from any of these people (or the press) on any of this.

Then look back through these threads, and you’ll find the same posters, over and over, bringing attention (and their obvious dislike for Obama) to every single thing that could possibly be connected as a ‘black mark’ on him. (no pun intended).

So THEY will continue to work at it, to poison public opinion.

The rest of us however, will simply get on with the business of improving America.

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By Aegrus, March 18 at 6:44 am #
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You have no crystal ball to say where Obama’s “black voters” are going to side. This is a non-issue which will be gone in two weeks if not sooner. Barack will be addressing the whole stupidity today, and those with sense will resonate with his quantifications.

You can discuss what the correct way for Wright is to act, but the fact is these few comments, taken out of context, do not represent him as a whole AND have nothing to do with Obama’s beliefs as he has clearly illustrated on the campaign trail. This whole dumb argument is only meant to discredit Obama’s sincerity, of which is too strong to be questioned.

Question the sincerity of Hillary Clinton. You’ll not need special tools or a union contracted labor pool to find something of insincerity on her behalf. Ferraro is enough to prove that point, but since you can’t find the racism or the ingenuous nature of her comments it is pretty much presumed you are part of the double standard in America.

Jerry Falwell had a fervent following for spouting such “shock value” sermons. You’re argument is bunk again, Maani.

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By Maani, March 18 at 6:36 am #
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Aegrus:

“To chastise these comments is a huge double standard in comparison to your regular TV evangelist, and you should know this to be true as a preacher, Maani.”

As I have said before, if I were a congregational pastor, and I held these types of beliefs and views, and expressed them with such vehemence and vitriol - and especially if I did so from the pulpit - I would not be the least bit surprised if my parishioners began leaving the my church and no longer looking to me for spiritual guidance.

This has nothing to do with “speaking truth” or “not speaking truth.” As I have said elsewhere, there are “ways” to speak truth and “ways” to speak truth.  MLK did not need to resort to the level of judgment, condemnation and “shock value” of Rev. Wright in order to get his message of righteous indignation and moral outrage across - and this is why he was successful in translating that moral outrage into ACTION.

Obama has two choices.  He can distance himself fully from Wright - which is what he should do - at the risk of alienating many black voters.  Or he can attempt to distance himself from “the words but not the man,” in which case the issue will remain cannon fodder for the GOP to use in the general election, no matter HOW brilliant Obama’s speech might be.

Peace.

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By Leefeller, March 18 at 5:49 am #
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Give it up

He should embrace his friend and distance himself from the political crap, but maybe you would not understand the difference.  Yes I am sure during the wedding Wright said “god damn America” and during the baptism he said “Hillay was never called a N-”

Sure you will find anyway you can that Obama was in the pew during a uncomfortable truth statement, keep supporting divisive Hillary, if she wins I can feel free to live my life in fear. 

If Obama rebounds from this I will be glad, because you bigoted hate is showing.

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By Aegrus, March 18 at 11:05 am #
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Re: Give it up

Hillary isn’t vetted. Her husband is. This is a dumb campaign strategy, the “ready on day one” lie. Her entire campaign is struggling to find itself. There is a whole lot more to expose about Hillary, but she is doing plenty of damage herself. Please realize your candidate has failed.

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By Joe Sixpack, March 18 at 10:37 am #
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Re: Give it up

Hillary is divisive? I commend her for doing what the mainstream media should have been doing all along. Asking the tough questions before the GOP Haters get handed an unvetted nominee to peel like a banana. I don’t hear any fear mongering in her campaign. You can look at the 3AM Spot a thousand times and only one question is asked. Who would you rather have answer the phone at 3am when something is happening in the world. Sorry to have to remind you that the world CAN be a scary place to live. To deny this fact is just your Obama Kool-Aid buzz talking.

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By lib in texas, March 18 at 8:53 am #
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Re: Give it up

Leefeller, your hypocricy shows itself again WHO ARE THE BIGOTED ONES.

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By RdV, March 18 at 4:57 am #
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For a brief fleeting moment

There was hope that we were poised to make that millennial leap, and then we were dragged back accross the bridge by a matronly school marm, scolding about fear and race and determined that folks not strive for the higher octaves of their hopes if it means she is left on the shores of the past.

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By Leefeller, March 18 at 5:21 am #
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Emptiness left on the shores of the past

Great analogy, RdV.

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