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Posted on Feb 28, 2008
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Introducing the “Obama-kah”: Volunteers from a New York City pro-Obama group created “Obama ‘08” yarmulkes, an “idea developed by a group of volunteers who believe in wearing their politics on their sleeve, or, in this case, keppe.”

By Bill Boyarsky

The bad side of being a new face in politics is that your enemies can treat you like a blank slate, to be filled in with lies and slurs. That’s what is happening to Sen. Barack Obama, who is being subjected to a secretive whispering and e-mail campaign that aims to alienate him from Jewish voters by linking him to Black Muslim leader Louis Farrakhan and the Muslim religion.

Farrakhan, a demagogic anti-Semite, is the leading character in a smear effort that is gaining in intensity as the Democratic presidential primary election between Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton approaches in Ohio on Tuesday. Clinton and Obama face each other in Texas the same day in another close contest. Bill Clinton says his wife must win both to stay in the race.

Jews make up only 2 percent of the vote in Ohio, but they are committed to going to the polls and their numbers could tilt a close election. And polls indicate that Obama’s race against Clinton in Ohio is tight. But, just as important, the smears are racing through the nation on the Internet. In a milder form, they have made it to the pages of some conservative publications.

The situation was serious enough for Obama to meet with about 100 members of the Cleveland Jewish community on Sunday, Feb. 24. His campaign staff gave a transcript of the meeting to The New York Sun.

“Let’s just be very specific about what these e-mails have been,” Obama said. “And they have just been virulent and started very early ... they are clearly political in the sense that they go in waves. ... Suddenly they magically appear in great volume in whatever state it is we are campaigning. And the e-mails suggest that A. that I am Muslim, B. that I went to a madrassa [an Islamic religious school] C. that I used a Koran to swear myself into the Senate D. That I don’t pledge allegiance to the flag. There are all sorts of variations, but you get the general gist.

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“If anyone is still puzzled about the facts, in fact I have never been a Muslim ... the school that I attended in Indonesia ... was not a madrassa but was a secular school. ... My grandfather who was Kenyan converted to Christianity then converted to Islam, my father never practiced he was basically agnostic and so other than my name and the fact that I lived in a populous Muslim country for 4 years when I was a child I have very little connection to the Islamic religion. But these are the kind of things that you deal with in politics.”

Polifact, a political fact-finding Web site produced by the St. Petersburg Times and Congressional Quarterly, noted that Obama is a Christian and took his Senate oath of office on his own personal Bible.

The Jewish newspaper The Forward said the e-mails were directed at “frightened, angry Jews, thousands of them, determined to stop anyone they suspect is against them. Once they get going, no one can talk them out of it. They feel powerless and vulnerable before enemies great and small, and they have the clout to do something about it.  And they don’t always check the details before hitting the barricades.”

The campaign is so outrageous that in mid-January, The Forward said, top officials of nine national Jewish organizations condemned the “attempt to drive a wedge between our community and a presidential candidate based on despicable and false attacks and innuendo based on religion.” Seven Jewish U.S. senators issued a similar message.

Critics link Obama to Farrakhan through the senator’s minister, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. of Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ. The church’s Trumpet Newsmagazine, edited by Wright’s daughter, bestowed on Farrakhan its Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter award. Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen, noting the magazine said that Farrakhan “truly epitomized greatness,” asked of Obama, “Where is his sense of outrage?”

Farrakhan has endorsed Obama. On this week’s MSNBC television debate in Cleveland, the senator was asked about the endorsement.

“You know, I have been very clear in my denunciation of Minister Farrakhan’s anti-Semitic comments,” Obama said. “I think that they are unacceptable and reprehensible. I did not solicit this support.”

Sen. Clinton said, “There’s a difference between denouncing and rejecting. And I think when it comes to this ... we’ve got to be even stronger.” Obama replied, “I don’t see a difference between denouncing and rejecting. ... But if the word reject Senator Clinton feels is [stronger] than the word denounce, then I’m happy to concede the point. And I would reject and denounce.”

Arnold Steinberg, a Republican political consultant active in conservative and Jewish affairs, said that Obama, rather than “hem and haw,” should have quickly and instinctively used the word reject.

Obama’s foes also are trying to portray him as hostile to Israel, saying he is relying on advice from Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Jimmy Carter’s national security adviser. Some Israel supporters consider Carter and Brzezinski hostile to Israel. 

“I know Brzezinski,” Obama told the Jewish community members in Cleveland. “He’s not one of my key advisers. I’ve had lunch with him once, I’ve exchanged e-mails with him maybe three times. He came to Iowa to introduce me for a speech on Iraq. ... I do not share his views on Israel. I have said so clearly and unequivocally.”

A top Obama adviser, former Rep. Mel Levine of California, told me he has “very little doubt that some of Hillary’s supporters and even her campaign itself is perpetuating” the Brzezinski line of attack on Obama.

Levine, a former member of the board of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), said the attacks are “a problem. Some people are trying to define him [Obama] in a way that is completely innuendo. The Jewish community that know him best is the Jewish community of Chicago [Obama’s home], and they love him. That isn’t as well known outside of Chicago. ... As his record becomes more widely known, it will be less of a problem.”

Rob Eshman, editor of the Jewish Journal of Greater Los Angeles, said the fact that Obama is just coming under heavy scrutiny makes him susceptible to assaults on issues such as Israel.

“He’s an unknown on a lot of issues,” Eshman said. “He doesn’t have a long track record, and on Israel, a candidate’s position is put under a microscope.”

So far, Obama is capturing a substantial part of the Jewish vote. On Super Tuesday, exit polls showed him beating Clinton 49 percent to 47 percent in California among Jewish voters. He received 61 percent of the Jewish vote in Connecticut and 52 percent in Massachusetts. Clinton beat him among Jews in New Jersey, Arizona and her home state of New York.

Ohio will be another test of the power of the anti-Obama campaign among Jews. If he wins the nomination, the real test will come in the fall.


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By PatrickHenry, March 6, 2008 at 4:30 am Link to this comment

Ekdar, lilmamzer, voice of truth et al.  They all talk about other peoples “balls” alot as if they had any in the first place.  Some kind of a fetish.

Maybe they should change their name to Sybil.

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By Douglas Chalmers, March 6, 2008 at 3:24 am Link to this comment

Who the hell is Dahlan anyway, cyrena. Saeb Erakat is the main Palestinian negotiator - and Bush knew that he wasn’t corruptible…...

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By cyrena, March 5, 2008 at 9:21 pm Link to this comment

Just so you all know, that it’s really NOT ‘Obama and the Jews” at all.

Nope..it’s the Twin Terrorists et al. (GWB and Israel).

The Gaza Bombshell
  By David Rose
  Vanity Fair
  April 2008 Issue

After failing to anticipate Hamas’s victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs. With confidential documents, corroborated by outraged former and current US officials, David Rose reveals how President Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams backed an armed force under Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, touching off a bloody civil war in Gaza and leaving Hamas stronger than ever.

  “A Dirty War”
  The Al Deira Hotel, in Gaza City, is a haven of calm in a land beset by poverty, fear, and violence. In the middle of December 2007, I sit in the hotel’s airy restaurant, its windows open to the Mediterranean, and listen to a slight, bearded man named Mazen Asad abu Dan describe the suffering he endured 11 months before at the hands of his fellow Palestinians. Abu Dan, 28, is a member of Hamas, the Iranian-backed Islamist organization that has been designated a terrorist group by the United States, but I have a good reason for taking him at his word: I’ve seen the video.

  It shows abu Dan kneeling, his hands bound behind his back, and screaming as his captors pummel him with a black iron rod. “I lost all the skin on my back from the beatings,” he says. “Instead of medicine, they poured perfume on my wounds. It felt as if they had taken a sword to my injuries.”

  On January 26, 2007, abu Dan, a student at the Islamic University of Gaza, had gone to a local cemetery with his father and five others to erect a headstone for his grandmother. When they arrived, however, they found themselves surrounded by 30 armed men from Hamas’s rival, Fatah, the party of Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas. “They took us to a house in north Gaza,” abu Dan says. “They covered our eyes and took us to a room on the sixth floor.”

  The video reveals a bare room with white walls and a black-and-white tiled floor, where abu Dan’s father is forced to sit and listen to his son’s shrieks of pain. Afterward, abu Dan says, he and two of the others were driven to a market square. “They told us they were going to kill us. They made us sit on the ground.” He rolls up the legs of his trousers to display the circular scars that are evidence of what happened next: “They shot our knees and feet—five bullets each. I spent four months in a wheelchair.”

  Abu Dan had no way of knowing it, but his tormentors had a secret ally: the administration of President George W. Bush.

  A clue comes toward the end of the video, which was found in a Fatah security building by Hamas fighters last June. Still bound and blindfolded, the prisoners are made to echo a rhythmic chant yelled by one of their captors: “By blood, by soul, we sacrifice ourselves for Muhammad Dahlan! Long live Muhammad Dahlan!”

  There is no one more hated among Hamas members than Muhammad Dahlan, long Fatah’s resident strongman in Gaza. Dahlan, who most recently served as Abbas’s national-security adviser, has spent more than a decade battling Hamas. Dahlan insists that abu Dan was tortured without his knowledge, but the video is proof that his followers’ methods can be brutal.

  Bush has met Dahlan on at least three occasions. After talks at the White House in July 2003, Bush publicly praised Dahlan as “a good, solid leader.” In private, say multiple Israeli and American officials, the U.S. president described him as “our guy.”

Link to the rest

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/030508A.shtml

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By cyrena, March 5, 2008 at 9:09 pm Link to this comment

I love Morocco. I’m not religious, but I love Morocco.

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By ekdar, March 5, 2008 at 8:03 pm Link to this comment

”....my being a professor….”

Dude, you ain’t no professor. You may be an instructor, but a professor you are not. I used the term derisively, given your excellent scholarship (hint: that’s also derisive).

Good night, Abdallah. Enjoy your revenge fantasies.

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By Fadel Abdallah, March 5, 2008 at 7:56 pm Link to this comment

But your own most sacred scripture proves that Jews came to the the land as violent marauders and occupiers, killing every thing that breathed, including animals. Go and read again the Joshua passages I quoted earlier! Chauvinist committed Zionists like you should know the beginnings of your presence in the Land, from your own most sacred book, not from Arab or so called anti-Semitic sources!

As an aside, it seems my being a professor at Johns Hopkins is really causing you a lot of pain. You already expressed that you intend to order Hopkins to do something about that! Are you, per chance, the modern day Jehovah who believes that Hopkins is part of the territory he gave to his “Chosen People”?!

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By jfc, March 5, 2008 at 7:47 pm Link to this comment
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Now that’s how to win friends and influence people. Tell them to their face that you are stealing their money to kill innocent people. Nicely done. Your kindness will certainly be remembered in your time of need.

I still can’t understand why so many rabid pro-israel zionists insist on living in America. Why not just go there and stay there. Trust me when I tell you that we here in America will not miss you at all. I dare say that, and perhaps I may be going out on a limb here but what the hell; I dare say that some of us might actually be happy to see you leave.

So why not do us, yourself, “your” country, and the god that you have so shamelessly reduced to the role of a real estate agent a favor and just f*****g leave already!

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By ekdar, March 5, 2008 at 7:41 pm Link to this comment

Congress holds up $150m. in aid to PA

By HILARY LEILA KRIEGER, WASHINGTON Updated Mar 6, 2008

Nita Lowey, chairwoman of the US House Appropriations Subcommittee on State and Foreign Operations, has placed a hold on $150 million in economic assistance to the PA until the State Department provides further clarification of how the money will be dispensed and until it has certified that a single treasury account for the funds has been created, among other requirements.

Lowey also expressed displeasure with PA President Mahmoud Abbas’s suspension of negotiations with Israel.

“President Abbas’s recent statements cast doubt on his willingness to take the steps necessary for peace with Israel,” she said.

Other members of Congress also weighed in on the situation in Israel Wednesday, overwhelmingly passing a nonbinding House resolution condemning Hamas’s continued rocket fire on Israel.

“For now, the attacks are continuing unabated, and they are destroying what hopes remain of Israeli-Palestinian peace. That is why this resolution unambiguously recognizes and reaffirms Israel’s sovereign right to defend its citizens and territory,” declared Howard Berman, acting chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee in a floor speech in Congress Wednesday.

He pointed to the support Hamas was receiving from Iran and Syria and called on Egypt to crack down on the smuggling of weapons into Gaza.

He also said, “As we show our support with this resolution for the people of Israel, we also express our sympathy with the overwhelming majority of Gazans who only want a decent life but whose terrorist leaders have contemptuously sentenced them to mayhem.”

Israeli Ambassador to the US Sallai Meridor welcomed the passage of the resolution, praising it for recognizing Israel’s right to act in self-defense, as well as the strong support Israel enjoys from America.
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There are no illusions in Congress about what the “Palestinian” Arabs are doing. Makes me proud to be an American!!!!

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By Fadel Abdallah, March 5, 2008 at 7:34 pm Link to this comment

Congratulations edkar (mamzer)for your hairsplitting techniques! I know quite well that the Balfour declaration was in 1917 and that the Holocaust was dated between 1938-1945. Chronological dating of events was not intended in my post. Even with your observation, the essence of my point is still valid. The Balfour declaration, however, was not implemented but after WWII, and that’s a proof that the plan to evacuate the Jews from Europe and plant them as a political and military colonial entity in the heart of the Arab world was there long before the actual Holocaust. The Holocaust just provided a cover to give the devilish plot a nice humanitarian face.

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By ekdar, March 5, 2008 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment

“devilish plot”

Yes, and The Mother Of All Battles, blah blah blah….
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”....colonial entity in the heart of the Arab word…..”

This is where the wheels come completely off your little red wagon. Israel is the historic and eternal national homeland of the Jewish people. Always was, always will be. And that is why your stale leftist “colonial” dogma just doesn’t work. Israel is the homeland, not a colony. It is the epicenter of Jewish spiritual, cultural, and historic life. Always was and always will be.

There has only been one people to exercise sovereignty in Israel, and that has been the Jews. Not Arabs, Abdallah, and Israel existed almost two thousand years before Mohammed was even born.

A Hopkins “scholar” should be able to understand that, Abdallah.

A Hopkins “scholar” shold be expected to know that, Abdallah.

And that begs the question: what kind of scholar are you, anyway?

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By ekdar, March 5, 2008 at 7:17 pm Link to this comment

”...kill children, women and innocent civilians and to cause untold destruction….”

Hey “Professor”, are you talking about the women and children killed in Jerusalem, Netanya, Tel Aviv, Sderot, Kiryat Shemona, Haifa, Beer Sheva, Dimona, Afula, and Ashkelon by your “Palestinian” Arab terrorist brothers? You should be. It wouldn’t be scholarly to ignore what your genocidal friends are doing to the Jewish nation.

Maybe if you did a little more “research” you could learn something about that.

Do you think?

I bet there are even resources at Hopkins from which you could educate yourself.

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By Fadel Abdallah, March 5, 2008 at 6:52 pm Link to this comment

Congratulations! Yes, it seems there was an ambiguity in the chronological events in my post. However, that does not diminish the validity of the essence of my points. Though the Balfour declaration was issued in 1917, it was only put in effect after WWII. And that is in itself a proof that clearing Jews from Europe and planting them as a colonial entity in the heart of the Arab word was an idea that preceded the Holocaust. The Holocaust served as an opportunity to put a human face on what was otherwise a devilish plot.

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By ekdar, March 5, 2008 at 6:52 pm Link to this comment

” You’re full of it edkar (mamzer)!”

I know of this mamzer, but I am not he (she?). I do appreciate your associating me with him/her. Good writer, sharp mind, wicked sense of humor, and cuts through the LieDig bullshit better than anyone I’ve seen here yet, with the possible exception of one who posts under the name of Voice Of Truth. He’s good, too.
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“It seems that the pain I am causing you made you loose you balance and control over yourself. “

Heh heh. If this is pain, bring it on, ‘cause it hurts so good, baby. I like getting you all worked up, Abdallah. Seriously.
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“we live in a free society were people have the constitutional right to free speech”

Not if you can help it, certainly, but we know what Islamism is and what it stands for.
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”...that will make the conclusions of my research even easier to substantiate…”

Yes, we’ve seen evidence of your “scholarship”. HA HA HA (really laughing here, out loud - the cat jumped!)

Abdallah the Social Scientist, indeed.

Keep posting, Abdallah. Keep posting….....

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By Fadel Abdallah, March 5, 2008 at 6:32 pm Link to this comment

“I’m going to have to write some letters to Hopkins.”

You’re full of it edkar (mamzer)! It seems that the pain I am causing you made you loose you balance and control over yourself. In your unlimited arrogance you think that Zionists control not only Congress and politicians, but all institutions, small and big, so you want to give an order to Hopkins to fire me! You have forgotten, in your stupidity and arrogance, that we live in a free society were people have the constitutional right to free speech, even you, with you evil thoughts, have the right to your rants. If Hopkins will be in a position to fire me based on your recommendation, then it does not bode well for Hopkins reputation nor for your claim that Zionists’ control in America is an exaggerated propaganda. And that will make the conclusions of my research even easier to substantiate. Go ahead and do your dirty work of being a self-appointed police of thought and free speech, for this confirms how evil and petty-minded you are.

There is something cowards like you do not understand! When I decided a long time ago to write under my real name, I knew well that evil people might use this against me. But, unlike you and your elk, I have both courage, faith and principals to stand for everything I say or do. Cowards like you can hide behind fake names, like the coward Zionists you belong to who always hide behind their superior weapons of mass destruction to kill children, women and innocent civilians and to cause untold destruction. The world is watching while you continue to do your dirty work of spying and corruption on earth! One day, sooner or later, the Wrath of a Just God must be manifested, if for no other reason than to prove to people of faith the He still exists!

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By ekdar, March 5, 2008 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment

Have you seen where both Cyrena and Abdallah call themselves “social scientists”? I’ve been laughing about it for two days now.

Can’t remember the thread but it’s around here somewhere…......

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By ekdar, March 5, 2008 at 5:16 pm Link to this comment

I know it did.

That’s why I like to remind you.

Pay up or I’ll have the Mossad cut what’s left of your balls off.

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By PatrickHenry, March 5, 2008 at 5:13 pm Link to this comment

Now that hurt.

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By ekdar, March 5, 2008 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment

“Then they continued hating them to the point that they devised the Balfour plan to get rid of the survivors and send them to Palestine under the pretext of helping them.”

Balfour Declaration: 1917

Systematic Murder of European Jewry (with support from “Palestinian” Arab leader Haj Al Amin Husseini):    1938 - 1945

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By ekdar, March 5, 2008 at 5:06 pm Link to this comment

“Then they continued hating them to the point that they devised the Balfour plan to get rid of the survivors and send them to Palestine under the pretext of helping them.”

And they let you even near students???

I’m going to have to write some letters to Hopkins.

The Balfour Declaration was written decades before the Nazi Germans (with “Palestinian” Arab help, by the way, of Haj Amin Al Husseini, the “Grand Mufti” of Jerusalem) systematically murdered millions of Jews.

Abdallah, every time you post you embarrass yourself, but amuse me.

Please keep posting.

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By ekdar, March 5, 2008 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment

By PatrickHenry, March 5 at 2:58 pm

I offer a solution, cut off U.S. AID, let those rich jews making billions in media and wall street support the troll nation.  If they insist on continuing the attacks on their underarmed neighbors BOYCOTT THEM.

~  Y   A   W   N ~

Not gonna happen.

By the way, April 15th is coming up. Remember that some of your tax dollars will go to The Jewish State Of Israel.

Have a nice day smile

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By PatrickHenry, March 5, 2008 at 3:58 pm Link to this comment

Once again Lilmamzer or her alter ego ekdar has made the leap of connecting criticism of Israel to hatred of jews everywhere.  There are alot of religious jews who abhor the course of Israel and are leaving there.  It’s generally the American non-religious ones fucking it up, a cult unto itself.

I offer a solution, cut off U.S. AID, let those rich jews making billions in media and wall street support the troll nation.  If they insist on continuing the attacks on their underarmed neighbors BOYCOTT THEM.

After all what is Israel going to do, nothing.  They are so dependent on the U.S. for everything economically, militarily and politically, they would cease to exist within a couple of years if those supports were withdrawn.

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By ekdar, March 5, 2008 at 2:49 pm Link to this comment

“one’s government’s policy apparatus has been hijacked by a particular ethnic group”

Let me guess…it’s those pesky Jews again.

You are all talk and no action, Non Credo. No action at all. Meanwhile, those Jews are running circles around you and laughing at you.

You identify a (perceived) problem, but offer no solution. What would you do to Jews in America to remedy the “problem” as you see it?

All talk, no action. You haven’t got the balls to say what you’d like to do.

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By Douglas Chalmers, March 5, 2008 at 9:04 am Link to this comment

Peace definitely is easier on the nerves….

Fairuz is acknowledged not only for her musical talent and contribution, but also as a cultural and political icon. A symbol of a people, a heritage, a quest for peace, and of humanity…... Referred to as “The Soul of Lebanon” in the 1970s, Fairuz became a pre-eminent figure, a superstar of current music in the Arab world. Together, the Rahbani family is both a school of music and a cultural phenomenon.

http://www.last.fm/music/Fairuz

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By Leefeller, March 5, 2008 at 8:25 am Link to this comment

This hate filled room is getting stuffy. On Link TV, I saw a great program on spiritual music of the world played in Morocco.  What struck me in the program was the melting pot of religions in Morocco.  Couple this with the fact the King of Morocco, during WW II kept the Germans out of his country, he wanted to protect all his subjects from persecution. It may be worthy to follow his example. 

Of course I do not know all the facts, but it is a pleasant story for a change, from the hate filled mantra that pervades logic.

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By Douglas Chalmers, March 5, 2008 at 8:12 am Link to this comment

I think you are living in the past (still), Lefty…. That was the old alliance between the Turkish Ottoman empire and Germany in WW1

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By Douglas Chalmers, March 5, 2008 at 1:38 am Link to this comment

While we are on about “retired terrorists”, Lefty, lets also check what The Electronic Intifada is up to, uhh…....

Colonial realities - Once again Israel defies an impotent international community which offers nothing but timid calls for ceasefire on “both sides.” And once again Palestinian suffering and death tolls continue to break records. Perhaps it is easy to dismiss this suffering by blaming the victims and resorting to ready cliches. When examined closely, however, reality rules out crude explanations of “violence without reason” and “terrorism without context…. http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article9364.shtml

Israel keeping true to its racist words - Dehumanizing the Palestinians has been necessary for Israel to justify its actions ever since, and even before, the state was declared on destroyed historic Palestine in 1948 and then in 1967 when Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza. Taken together, they indicate the historic effort to destroy Palestinian national aspirations and this is what Israel is trying to do in Gaza, which Nobel prize winner and late Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin once wished would be swallowed by the sea…. http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article9361.shtml

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By Sepharad, March 5, 2008 at 1:33 am Link to this comment
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Cyreniac: Person-of-color running for the Presidential nomination, Obama says he will NOT talk to Hamas because they want to destroy Israel, and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said clearly that he believed anti-Zionists were ipso facto Anti-Jewish. Don’t wave your person-of-color flag expecting to hide your pathetic Jew-hating groove. Many of us—progressive and proudly pro-Israel Jews—were neck-deep the civil rights movement when it was a very high-risk occupation but we did it because we believed color or lack of pigmentation in an individual is not as important as what lies under the skin, and it’s hard to watch this election’s bloc voting reaffirm the old ideas that race defines a man or woman.
Fadallah: What can one say? You, Hamas, Hezbollah and others of your ilk are death-loving fascists who make it a point to violate the Geneva Convention’s Article 51 (paragraph 8), the one that makes it criminal to deliberately draw fire on civilians by fighting and launching rockets from residential neighborhoods. Then you celebrate because 1)the Israelis are too damned civilized to carpet-bomb Gaza while celebrating because you think it a weakness when 2) Israel attempts to target your militants and bomb factories rather than just blasting away willy nilly at the civilians you hide behind. How low can you go? (You’re right that Western anti-Semitism exists, but that doesn’t excuse or explain Arab anti-Semitism, in which otherwise sane people decide they’d rather blow themselves up than build a society.)

Everyone: don’t consider your Islamic education complete until you’ve read the multivolume Haditha, which is more important in ruling day-to-day Islamic life than the Koran.

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By Douglas Chalmers, March 5, 2008 at 1:26 am Link to this comment

Unfortunately, the Israeli Jews are somewhat like the Scots and the Scots Irish who were equally as unwanted by the English some centuries back. They were slaughtered in their homeland and then forcibly evacuated to Northern Ireland to be used as a wedge for the further subjugation of Ireland and to resist French colonization.

Both from Scotland and Northern Ireland they came to America and formed an influential part of white “settler society” helping to eradicate the indigenous inhabitants from the “wild West”. They then went on to be the one of the main motivating forces in the USA’s conquering the world with the threat of nuclear weapons.

Now it would seem that Americans are equally disposed towards having Israel (through AIPAC) assert itself as some kind of dominating force in the world. Thus the lack of genuine morality in the past has come home to the USA. Their “Its either them or us!” imperative of “settler society” has re-appeared in the Jewish state and its usurpation of Palestine.

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By Fadel Abdallah, March 4, 2008 at 9:37 pm Link to this comment

The following is a comment I posted under another thread entitled “The Gardens of the Devil“ by Robert Fisk. I was surprised that the hardcore Zionists on this thread did not even bother to read or comment on this article. By reposting my comment under this thread, I hope to force the Zionists to react; for they are the best at being reactionaries!
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In the Middle East, the Second World War has not ended.”

How true, Robert Fisk, is the above statement, with which you ended your tragically sad account on how the Middle East has been made the theater for using the West’s weapons of mass destruction.

Every time I hear about the violence in Iraq and Palestine my blood boils up with anger and hate for the legacy of Western wars and their colonial enterprises in the Middle East. Take, for example, the over sixty-year tragic situation in Palestine. The West hated so much the Semitic Jews and the result was the Holocaust. Then they continued hating them to the point that they devised the Balfour plan to get rid of the survivors and send them to Palestine under the pretext of helping them. But in fact, this was a racist imperialist plan whose real purpose was to get rid of the largest numbers of European Jews and plant them in other Semitic people stolen land in order to set up two Semitic groups against each other, in a perpetual conflict, while they continue to provide weapons of mass destruction to both sides, on the hope that they will finish each others.

If Arabs and Jews think about what white Europeans’ real intentions were and continue to be, they might wake up to the reality of the need to reconcile and put an end to the merchants of death not-so-humanistic plans for the mostly Semitic people of the Middle East.

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By Fadel Abdallah, March 4, 2008 at 8:25 pm Link to this comment

I am glad PatrickHenry that you have noticed that Lilmamzer is posting now under “ekdar”. It seems that he just finally realized that a self-described “bastard” is not, after all, a smart thing to do. I even see that there is hope for this slow learner to be reformed one day. But I have to admit that I am thankful to his fanatic chauvinist type for he helps me to quantify and qualify the results of my research conclusions. With his live presence, I don’t need to find justification for my conclusions in quotations from ancient scriptures. For some people and some entities the more things change the more they stay the same, if they don’t get worse.

Inviting him to donate to end occupation was a kind and smart gesture on your part; why not? Per chance, he might even one day come to realize that occupation is the worst form of terrorism!

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By ekdar, March 4, 2008 at 7:10 pm Link to this comment

“please donate”

The only donations you’ll ever receive will be some DNA in an orifice of your cellmate’s choosing.

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By ekdar, March 4, 2008 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment

What are you going to do about it?

You are powerless.

You are useless.

You cannot do anything.

You are a disgrace.

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By PatrickHenry, March 4, 2008 at 4:39 pm Link to this comment

Lilmamzer, please donate.

http://endtheoccupation.org/article.php?list=type&type=208

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By PatrickHenry, March 4, 2008 at 4:35 pm Link to this comment

Seems to me you have your own little zionist cult going on.

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By ekdar, March 4, 2008 at 4:07 pm Link to this comment

Where do I ever claim to be an African American?

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By Maani, March 3 at 8:56 pm
Lefty:

Actually, Fadel makes a good point.  The Old Testament is a FAR more “violent” book than the Qur’an.

Abdallah should spend more time trying to understand why Islam as practiced today is so violent, misogynistic, and intolerant rather than pointing fingers at other’s holy books.

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By rowman, March 4, 2008 at 7:57 am Link to this comment

in an attempt to blame the Jews for developments that are unconnected to them. Supporters of the “Israel Lobby” supplement assertion for evidence as you just demonstrated.  It is sourced from obsessive and irrationally hostile beliefs about Jews and accusations of Jewish disloyalty, subversion or treachery or of having occult powers to manipulate institutions and governments.

It is the type of nonsense that only a Hitler loving Nazi could embrace. Are you a member of the party Non Credo?

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By PatrickHenry, March 4, 2008 at 4:29 am Link to this comment

Yeah Lil,  They like to point out the Hypocracy of the Zionist Jew cult, a subspecies I’m sure you belong to.

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By ekdar, March 4, 2008 at 3:56 am Link to this comment

Bacon - you and Abdallah should get together. You have so much in common, and I don’t mean just the Hitler - Haj Amin Al Husseini connection, either.

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By ekdar, March 4, 2008 at 3:54 am Link to this comment

” Is that enough for your theology of savagery, murder and terrorism. Hitler must have read these passages, and decided to give your terrorists a taste of their own medicine!”

I see the social scientist emerges once again. The Mengele type of scientist, that is.

Please post more of your armchair theology lectures, Abdalloah. Along with Cyrena, you are the most amusing character here.

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By Greg Bacon, March 4, 2008 at 3:54 am Link to this comment

Hungarian Jews called to register for class action

Peter Wolz, who describes himself as an attorney for Jewish survivors of Auschwitz and their heirs, is appealing for Hungarian victims of the death camps and their heirs to contacts him over a possible class action.

Düsseldorf-based Wolz says he has already filed a class action for $40 billion against the US government at the Federal District court of Colombia, in Washington DC. The class action concerns the failure of the Allies to bomb the railway bridges between Hungary and Auschwitz during the Second World War. Wolz believes the bombing of the railway bridges could have saved more than 400,000 Hungarian Jews life during 1944. He put the number of Budapest Jews who escaped the Holocaust – people like financier George Soros and the late Congressman Tom Lantos – at about 120,000 only. 

“The responsible Federal judge drew a summons, which was delivered to President George W Bush,” Wolz told The Budapest Sun via email.
“In his reply the President declared, ‘The US accepts the well-pled allegations of the complaint as true,’” the attorney claimed.

Wolz’s call for Hungarian survivors and heirs to register with his IPAS (international project group Auschwitz Sammelklagen (class action)), organization, for either further punitive class actions at US Federal Courts, or for settlement out of court, follows Bush’s visit to the Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial in Israel this January.

Evil exists

Speaking at the site, the President was quoted by the Associated Press as saying, “I wish as many people as possible would come to this place. It is a sobering reminder that evil exists, and a call that when evil exists. we must resist it.”

Wolz, who says the President also said “We should have bombed Auschwitz,” at the memorial, insists that the US Air Force, which controlled the European skies in 1944, could easily have bombed the railways and the bridges bringing Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz. But the camp and its supply lines were taken off the final list of target proposals and never were bombed.
“Auschwitz survivors and heirs of victims are called to register by post with I.P.A.S., Bahnstr 24, D-42781 Haan-Gruiten,” Wolz said.

http://www.budapestsun.com/print.php?id=27879

Ahhh, There’s no business like SHOAH business, so open those wallets wide America and give till it hurts.

As for the members of the US Army and the 8th Air Force, who died fighting Nazism during WW II, they already have a piece of dirt in Arlington, so they shouldn’t ask for more.

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By Sodium, March 4, 2008 at 3:43 am Link to this comment
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Re:A strange African American!!!

Who claims to be African American?

Answer:edkar.

Response:My ass.

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By Maani, March 3, 2008 at 9:56 pm Link to this comment

Lefty:

Actually, Fadel makes a good point.  The Old Testament is a FAR more “violent” book than the Qur’an.  And I have read both numerous times.  For sheer number of passages in which war, violence and murder are carried out in “God’s name,” the OT beats the Qur’an by quite a bit.

That’s simply observation and fact.

However, he is wrong about Hitler, who was a self-proclaimed “Christian” in name only, and “used” the few passages from the NEW Testament that could be twisted to support anti-Semitism (including the overall - and completely bogus - claim that the Jews murdered Christ).

Peace.

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By ttran, March 3, 2008 at 9:39 pm Link to this comment
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Carl Rove’s signature is all over the Democratic Primary.

A large number of Diehard Republicans and Christian Fundamentalists voted for Sen.Obama in California, Oregon and to be the same for other big states like Texas,Ohio…

By using the Democratic Party’s Primary Election Rule which allows all voters to vote for democratic candidates, the Republican would eliminate Sen.Hillary Clinton who would capture the votes from the white, hispanic and asian male republicans who are in dismay of Bush and the current republican policies.
While I have a lot of respect for Sen.Obama, I think he won’t survive an attack from the republican strategists by playing fear of his arabic heritage and threat of terrorism into american public mind. While his stance against starting the Iraq war was a bonus during the Democratic Primary, it would be a fatal blow when connected to his cultural heritage.

I am so disapointed of the head of Democratic party for not seeing this coming in order to have the best candidate for this election.

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By Fadel Abdallah, March 3, 2008 at 9:37 pm Link to this comment

To edkar! More pain-causing memories to enjoy! What about some theology of murder and unbound savagery from your most sacred book:

“Shout; for Jehovah has given you the city (Jericho), and the city and all that is within it shall be devoted to Jehovah for destruction; only Rahav,the harlot and all who are with her in her house shall live, because she hid the messengers (i.e. spies) that we sent… So the people shouted, and the trumpets were blown. As soon as the people heard the sound of the trumpet, the people raised great shout, and the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city, both men and women, young and old, oxen, sheep and asses with the edge of the sword.” (Joshua 6:15-21)

“And Joshua turned back at that time, and took Hazor, and smote its king with sword; for Hazor formerly was the head of all those kingdoms. And they put to the sword all who were in it, utterly destroying them; there was none left that breathed, and he burned Hazor with fire. And all the cities of those kings, Joshua took, and smote them with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them, as Moses the servant of Jehovah had commanded. And all the spoil of these cities and the cattle, the people of Israel took for their booty; but every man they smote with the edge of the sword, until they did not leave any that breathed. As Jehovah had commanded Moses his servant, so Moses commanded Joshua, and so Joshua did; he left nothing undone of all that Jehovah had commanded Moses.” (Joshua 11:10-15)

Is that enough for your theology of savagery, murder and terrorism. Hitler must have read these passages, and decided to give your terrorists a taste of their own medicine!

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By ekdar, March 3, 2008 at 8:09 pm Link to this comment

“If you really don’t care much about what I say or write or think”

Because you amuse me and are also a subject of morbid curiosity for me. And that’s not inconsistent with not giving a rat’s ass what you think or say beyond the novelty factor you represent.
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“Enjoy the pain I am causing you!”

LOL Hardly, Abdallah.
I can hear you babble in that bizarre “Palestinian” Arab accent of yours. Keep spitting!

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By Fadel Abdallah, March 3, 2008 at 8:02 pm Link to this comment

Edkar, whatever that means! You’re contradicting yourself and continue to spew your filthy Israeli Zionist or Christan-Zionist propaganda. If you really don’t care much about what I say or write or think, then why are you exerting so much energy and time to post filthy incoherent rants against what I write, say and think? Hay petty-minded boy! You’re finally caught in your contradictory lies! I can even read your rotten mind and see that secretly you would like to apply to me that “customary law of hanging” that gave you so much food to vent your venomous hate… I know well your types and I know well how to keep irritating you and encroaching on your comfort zone! Enjoy the pain I am causing you!

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By ekdar, March 3, 2008 at 7:59 pm Link to this comment

I think you are scared of Jews.

I mean ALL kinds - little old Jewish ladies, Jewish kids, all kinds. I think they scare the shit out of you and you don’t even know why.

BOO

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By PatrickHenry, March 3, 2008 at 7:52 pm Link to this comment

I’ll bet he is more willing to meet Hamas than Hillary or McCain and thats where I have hope and Isreal ...fear.

I suspect by your rhetoric you are an avid Ariel Sharon fan…...war crimminal that he was.

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By PatrickHenry, March 3, 2008 at 7:49 pm Link to this comment

And alot of the Pro-Israel-till-I-die posters here have their own shade of bigotry or does that point escape you?

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By PatrickHenry, March 3, 2008 at 7:44 pm Link to this comment

You got a twin named Lilmamzer? your hate filled rhetoric gives you away.

You have the same Zionist cult rant to your posts.

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By voice of truth, March 3, 2008 at 7:08 pm Link to this comment

Really?  Why??  That is without a doubt one of the stupidest things I ever heard.

I find it immensely ironic that you go by the name of Patrick Henry, known for his line, “Give me Liberty, or Give me Death”.  All of your posts are in fact just the opposite.  “Take away that person’s Liberty (to give his stuff to my loser buddies) or give him death.”

What a winner.

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By ekdar, March 3, 2008 at 6:52 pm Link to this comment

”.....and wishes for them all to die in a new Holocaust…”

LMFAO

Do you stand on a street corner with a huge sign and chant this stuff?

Maybe you should - it’s really funny.

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By ekdar, March 3, 2008 at 6:50 pm Link to this comment

“the cowardly weapons of mass destruction your league of terrorists are best in using against children and civilians”

You are of course referring to the thousands of artillery rockets and mortar shells the “palestinian” Arabs have been raining down on Israeli population enters every day for years now, aren’t you Abdallah?

You think the Israeli children of Sderot and Ashkelon aren’t victims of “Palestinian” Arab terror?

I know, Abdallah, I know: Jews Israel Zionists blah blah blah blah…..but you are a “social scientist”, right? smile

Did you get a noose to hang with yet and dispense some “Palestinian” Arab-style “universal customary law” justice?

I’d hate to go on a camping trip with you, Abdallah. You’re too freaking weird.

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By ekdar, March 3, 2008 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

Obama says US should not meet with Hamas

‘You can’t negotiate with somebody who does not recognize the right of a country to exist,’ Democratic presidential candidate tells reporters during campaign stop in Texas

Reuters
Published:    03.04.08

SAN ANTONIO - Democratic US presidential candidate Barack Obama on Monday backed the Bush administration’s policy of shunning contact with the Islamic militants of Hamas in its Middle East peace diplomacy.

The Illinois senator has said he would break with President George W. Bush’s stance of declining to talk to some other international adversaries but that stance does not apply to Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip and is committed to the destruction of Israel. 

Obama has said in the past he would be willing to meet with leaders with whom the Bush administration strongly disagrees, including Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Cuban leader Raul Castro.

Obama, hoping to win his party’s nomination to face likely Republican nominee Sen. John McCain in the November presidential election, said his willingness to meet with foes “does not include Hamas.”

“You can’t negotiate with somebody who does not recognize the right of a country to exist so I understand why Israel doesn’t meet with Hamas,” Obama told reporters during a campaign stop in San Antonio, Texas.
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Obama could teach the Jew-hating schmucks on LieDig (are you listening Abdallah and Cyrena?) a few things about statesmanship.

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By voice of truth, March 3, 2008 at 6:29 pm Link to this comment

Do you mean Melanie Chertoff, who used to be on Second City TV and Saturday Night Live??  You might as well throw her into the mix of evil Jews taking over the world!!!

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By ekdar, March 3, 2008 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment

” Lefty! Are you on the terrorist team planning my assassination?!”

Nobody really cares that much about you, Abdallah, or what you say or write or think.

Chill out and take off that bomb-belt, OK?

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By ekdar, March 3, 2008 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

“I believe federal government jobs and awarding of contracts should reflect the diversity of the U.S. Census.”

How very un-American and very Soviet of you.

Guess you’ll die unhappy because last time I noticed, American Jews keep on keepin’ on getting good grades in school and getting ahead on merit and it’s not likely to change, either.

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By Leefeller, March 3, 2008 at 5:46 pm Link to this comment

Our local Seventh Day Adventist Hospital hires cronies,  since I am not Seventh Day Adventist, nor Catholic, nor Methodist even a pointed hat secrete order of Shrines for that matter, wow! now I know why it is so hard to get a job in this town.  Thanks guys, blame it on the Jews and all this time I thought it was the Mexicans.

Bigots in and bigots out.

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By Fadel Abdallah, March 3, 2008 at 5:43 pm Link to this comment

“Fidel deserves a lot worse than insult, and I have no doubt he will get it!”

Lefty! Are you on the terrorist team planning my assassination?! It would be a badge of honor for me and would prove that my words of truth are stronger than the cowardly weapons of mass destruction your league of terrorists are best in using against children and civilians and those who speak the truth.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 3, 2008 at 5:36 pm Link to this comment

Why don’t the owners of this site just merge with the web site of the Knights of the KKK, the Aryan Brotherhood or Hamas and Hezbollah?

Display swastikas and crescent moons.

You are nothing but a mouthpiece for them now.

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By PatrickHenry, March 3, 2008 at 5:25 pm Link to this comment

I believe federal government jobs and awarding of contracts should reflect the diversity of the U.S. Census.

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By ekdar, March 3, 2008 at 3:57 pm Link to this comment

By cyrena, March 3 at 4:27 am

I’m a social scientist myself….So, this phenomena involved in the take over of the US, by the Jews, -as so well explained by Non Credo- has nothing to do with a grudge., As a Native/African American, some of MY very best friends and colleagues ARE Jews, and I resent the implication that you’ve made here, in comparing any of us with those racist white people here, (or any where else in the world) who would do that hypocritical ‘wink-and-nod’ thing.

Wow - this is great stuff.

Tell me more about the “takeover of the US by the Jews”.

Of course, you can claim bona fides as a woman of color, but that does not exempt you from being a bigot or even a racist yourself.

Now, who exactly are “the Jews”? Would that be in the same league as a claim that “the blacks” are ____________ (insert specious stereotypical attributes here)?

As a self-proclaimed social scientist, can you not provide some detailed analysis of those American Jews who have prospered and succeeded on merit, i.e., hard work, talent, scholarship, and intelligence? Can you justifiably deny them any success they have earned? Are those Jews different from “the Jews” who you claim have taken over this country?
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“Jews have taken over a large number of the power levers in this country, and it’s only been in the past few decades that it’s happened.”

Can you name a famous Austrian-born 20th Century dictator who made the same claim about European Jews after World War I, and leveraged that same canard to set in motion one of history’s greatest crimes?
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“No “vendettas” here, just more and more crimes against humanity, including the humanity right here at home.”

Oh, of COURSE you have no vendetta. Why on earth would anyone think THAT?

So the question to you as a “social scientist” is, since you have identified what you see as a problem (“the Jews taking over the US”), what is your remedy?

Fire Jews from their jobs? Who would make those decisions?

Discriminate against Jews by placing quotas at universities - a throwback to earlier times when there were such quotas on Jewish enrollment at US universities? That might solve your problem - Jews denied the opportunity to advanced education would then be unqualified to compete for good jobs.

Come on Cyrena Social Scientist - what’s your remedy?

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By Leefeller, March 3, 2008 at 3:55 pm Link to this comment

Is that the same as the Prophecy business, I remember the psychic who kept getting her big caddie stuck in the mud,  her predictions were always good, she always had help to push her out.

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By ekdar, March 3, 2008 at 3:51 pm Link to this comment

” Nobody, Yani, wants to visit Israel, and everyone knows that Jewish Israelis are the most arrogant, racist, cruel, militaristic, greedy, violent, hateful, paranoid, selfish, self-righteous, bigoted people on earth.”

Projecting a little, eh?

Last I read, tourism to Israel was way up. By the way, how are the hotels in Gaza this time of year?

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By ekdar, March 3, 2008 at 3:39 pm Link to this comment

” All we need is to mention something Jewish and morons come crawling out of the woodwork, the bigots I mean.”

You have to put some names up, dude.
it really drives them nuts when you call them on their bigotry.
You know hwo they are….......

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By Leefeller, March 3, 2008 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

The whole Jewish bashing goes way beyond the Israel and Palestine thing, it seems Israel like the US, is run by self serving ass holes.  Palestine has their own classic ass holes.  So the people suffer, all the people. 

Religion may be part of the problem, I am not a mid-east scholar, I look at it like the Protestants and Catholics in Ireland, a hate filled war sponsored by religion, because of religion, for religion.  Here in the USA,  religions seem to be used as a tool to keep the masses dumb,  supported by Mass Media and he rest of the crap on television.  Blind faith of fables offered as fact, enhances ignorance, which has only one direction to go but lower.  Bottom line is money and power to be accumulated by the elite, tidbits chummed out to appease the teaming masses connected with bull pucky

Prophecy by lastdaywatchers seems to have missed his space ship, when it went by earth a couple of years back. 

All we need is to mention something Jewish and morons come crawling out of the woodwork, the bigots I mean. 

Peace is not an option and for our leaders, peoples lives are not an option. How many deaths are an option?

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By Yani, March 3, 2008 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment
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I do not live in Israel and I am not Israeli.

You make assumptions yet you are so ignorant. You think you know things on this side of the world but you don’t. Most of the responsible citizens left Gaza under oppression from militants not Israel you fool. They suppress their own people to manipulate the world. It is criminal and you believe in this because you are a stupid arrogant American.

You are judging the wrong people as the term says “throwing a stone from a glass house”.

Blame yourself for your own troubles. Not the jews.

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By lastdaywatchers, March 3, 2008 at 2:39 pm Link to this comment

Lefty I have some advise for you “Stay out of the prediction bussiness”

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By ekdar, March 3, 2008 at 2:33 pm Link to this comment

“And we could save ourselves a world of grief if we did not myopically support Israel no matter what it does, no matter how its actions affect the region, no matter how blameworthy it might be in various instances.  After all, our blind suport of Israel is one of the two main reasons why OBL, Al Qaeda and much of the Muslim world (or at least the extremist Muslim world) hate us.”

Hardly blind, and hardly myopic.
Israel and her actions are splashed across the front pages all the time.
Americans support Israel knowing the merits of each sides’ arguments.
It’s disingenuous to suggest otherwise. It really means your arguments that Israel is the bad guy have little or no merit.

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By ekdar, March 3, 2008 at 2:29 pm Link to this comment

By cyrena, March 3 at 4:27 am

I’m a social scientist myself….So, this phenomena involved in the take over of the US, by the Jews, -as so well explained by Non Credo- has nothing to do with a grudge., As a Native/African American, some of MY very best friends and colleagues ARE Jews, and I resent the implication that you’ve made here, in comparing any of us with those racist white people here, (or any where else in the world) who would do that hypocritical ‘wink-and-nod’ thing.

Wow - this is great stuff.

Tell me more about the “takeover of the US by the Jews”.

Of course, you can claim bona fides as a woman of color, but that does not exempt you from being a bigot or even a racist yourself.

Now, who exactly are “the Jews”? Would that be in the same league as a claim that “the blacks” are ____________ (insert specious stereotypical attributes here)?

As a self-proclaimed social scientist, can you not provide some detailed analysis of those American Jews who have prospered and succeeded on merit, i.e., hard work, talent, scholarship, and intelligence? Can you justifiably deny them any success they have earned? Are those Jews different from “the Jews” who you claim have taken over this country?
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Jews have taken over a large number of the power levers in this country, and it’s only been in the past few decades that it’s happened.

Can you name a famous Austrian-born 20th Century dictator who made the same claim about European Jews after World War I, and leveraged that same canard to set in motion one of history’s greatest crimes?
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No “vendettas” here, just more and more crimes against humanity, including the humanity right here at home.

Oh, of COURSE you have no vendetta. Why on earth would anyone think THAT?

So the question to you as a “social scientist” is, since you have identified what you see as a problem (“the Jews taking over the US”), what is your remedy?

Fire Jews from their jobs? Who would make those decisions?

Discriminate against Jews by placing quotas at universities - a throwback to earlier times when there were such quotas on Jewish enrollment at US universities? That might solve your problem - Jews denied the opportunity to advanced education would then be unqualified to compete for good jobs.

Come on Cyrena Social Scientist - what’s your remedy?

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By Maani, March 3, 2008 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment

Yani:

Your anger and frustration are understandable.  And you are correct for the most part: it IS our problem, we DID create it, and we CONTINUE to enable it via elections and/or apathy.

But I don’t think we are blaming “everyone but” ourselves (though some people here seem to blame the Jews more than anyone else).

Yet nothing happens in a vacuum.  It is true that our “special relationship” with Israel (or at least the way we have handled it) has been a PART of the problem.  As one person suggests, we could save tens of billions of dollars a year - and put that money toward worthwhile (and critical) infrastructural, environmental, energy and other projects - by ceasing financial support of Israel.  Are you suggesting we do this?  If so, I might agree with you.

And we could save ourselves a world of grief if we did not myopically support Israel no matter what it does, no matter how its actions affect the region, no matter how blameworthy it might be in various instances.  After all, our blind suport of Israel is one of the two main reasons why OBL, Al Qaeda and much of the Muslim world (or at least the extremist Muslim world) hate us.  (The other is our presence in Saudi Arabia and other countries.)  Are you suggesting we no longer support Israel in this fashion, but rather show some spine and criticize it when it is appropriate, even if that is more often than not?  If so, I agree with you.

Finally, please be careful with the broad-brush generalizations: not ALL Americans are “pathetic.”  Many of us try very hard to change things at the local, state and federal levels via voting for more principled people, and “lobbying” for change.  Indeed, many of us are “ashamed” (if that is not too strong a word) about some (maybe many) of the policies of our government, both in general and specifically vis-a-vis Bush.

So don’t be too hard on us.  Many of use are “trying to get it right,” even in the fact of intense opposition.

Peace.

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By Leefeller, March 3, 2008 at 2:15 pm Link to this comment

Of course, peace is off the table. An so are many other things accepted by the rest of the world, but criminals care little of what people believe or think.  If I do not vote, am I still guilty as an American for the crimes committed by our government? It could be said that since our votes did not count at the last election, we may be null and void in responsibility.
It may be the only people not guilty may the ones in prison.

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By lastdaywatchers, March 3, 2008 at 1:16 pm Link to this comment

Yani you really laid into the U.S.

In your “Americans are so pathetic!” rant alot of what you say is true

However the U.S have some glory even some very good golory

However here is what the May 15th Prophecy says will happen to that glory

”“You will be filled with shame instead of glory. Now it is your turn to Drink and be exposed!”

“The cup from the Lord’s right hand is coming around to you, and disgrace will cover your glory.”

To really know the truth about what is about to happen go to

http://lastdaywatchers.blogspot.com

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By Yani, March 3, 2008 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment
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You have the worst country in the world. You imprison more of your citizens than any other and make them pay way too much for basic health.

Everyone in America is guilty of a crime at any time that can put them in prison and anyone can be put in bankruptcy for getting sick. Nobody wants to visit America and it’s not just because you are so arrogant.

You cannot blame Jews for this. It is your problem that you made. You are afraid of your government and elected people who do this to you. But instead of fixing this, you try to blame anyone but yourself.

It is your problem and you are bad citizens for it.

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By Maani, March 3, 2008 at 7:45 am Link to this comment

Ekdar:

I would like to add a very obvious specific to Cyrena’s excellent post.

While it is true that Jews were gaining increasing influence in certain areas in the second half of the 20th century (particularly banking (an extension of their European influence) and entertainment), it would be dangerously revisionist to forget that Jews were the second most vocal group in the civil rights movement after the blacks themselves; indeed, even MLK lauded the Jewish community for its early and active participation in the movement.

The reason for this (though it is true that it can and has been debated) is that, having been slaves themselves - and being treated as second-class citizens in many countries during the diaspora - they felt a particularly strong “kinship” with the plight of blacks in America.  Jewish leaders such as Abraham Heschel were instrumental in the movement.  And don’t forget that two of the three young voters rights advocates murdered in Mississippi (as depicted in the film “Mississippi Buring”) were Jewish.

Indeed, as Cyrena alludes to, the real question is why that bond has frayed (if not severed), leading to increased tensions between the black and Jewish communities.  Based on the similarities in their histories, they would seem to be natural allies.

Peace.

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By Maani, March 3, 2008 at 7:29 am Link to this comment

Fadel:

I would be happy to.  However, I literally own and have read so many books on that period that I am not certain where each of those things appears.  If you would like, I can simply provide a list of a few dozen books and you can start reading…LOL.

Seriously, though, both of these facts - i.e., re the Jewish banks and lending institutions holding much of the German debt, and re the numbers of Jews killed in the Holocaust from each country - are fairly well documented in numerous scholarly works.

Keep up the good social science!

Peace.

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By cyrena, March 3, 2008 at 5:27 am Link to this comment

Ekdar,
I believe your accusations here to be abhorrently arrogant and highly insulting to more than just Fadel.
I’m a social scientist myself, and not ‘in the fight’ that has been created between the mostly Semitic population of the Middle East. I’m also old enough to know that in the US at least, there has not always been a division between African-Americans and Jews.

So, this phenomena involved in the take over of the US, by the Jews, -as so well explained by Non Credo- has nothing to do with a grudge., As a Native/African American, some of MY very best friends and colleagues ARE Jews, and I resent the implication that you’ve made here, in comparing any of us with those racist white people here, (or any where else in the world) who would do that hypocritical ‘wink-and-nod’ thing.

Meantime, one cannot put lipstick on a pig, and try to call it anything other than what it is. There is no denying the fact that Jews have taken over a large number of the power levers in this country, and it’s only been in the past few decades that it’s happened.

STILL, it has. To ignore that it has, or to do the smarmy smear tactics that you’re accusing others of, doesn’t help to understand WHY this has taken place. We already KNOW that it has. Now we need to know HOW and WHY. Because, as Non Credo made very clear, if we continue to become involved in perpetrating wars against the rest of the world on behalf of Israel, we’re as good as done for.

That’s just the way it is, and NO America, with ANY of its ethnic or religious groups, can afford that. As it is, we’ve already lost ANY credibility we have with the rest of the world, because we’ve not only allowed Israel to ignore and/or violate every single law of the land that has ever been written, but we’ve ALSO stooped to the point of joining and assisting Israel in the very same crimes!!!
  US Quietly Breaks UN Treaty
  By Leslie Griffith
  t r u t h o u t | Perspective
  Tuesday 26 February 2008
  On Friday, at a United Nations meeting in Geneva, the United States broke a series of legal promises. Keeping those promises would have proved extremely embarrassing to the United States government by pointing out that human rights abuses are being committed here at home and at US military installations abroad.
Read the rest at the link below:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/022608A.shtml
and the report to the UN and the report to the UN CERD is here:
  http://www.mcli.org/MCLI_Report_to_CERD.pdf

If any of those millions of cluster bombs that have been dropped –by Israel- onto so much of the Middle East, and left to continue killing and maiming as we speak, have been provided by the US, then that’s just more the shame. What we’ve done to Iraq is one huge and on-going war crime as well.

No “vendettas” here, just more and more crimes against humanity, including the humanity right here at home.

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By cyrena, March 3, 2008 at 4:47 am Link to this comment

Let us know if you need help with the research Fadel…

I know Non Credo has a bunch of good insight on this topic, though I’m not trying to ‘offer up’ the help of others without their doing it themselves. smile

Still, you all know what I mean.

And, I’ve got a bunch of research myself, if it’s helpful….

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By PatrickHenry, March 3, 2008 at 4:42 am Link to this comment

NC, 

I agree, at what point does this become discrimination?  Jews hiring fellow jews as bank employees? as media editors? That would explain how the preponderance of jews (and their agenda) in media, government and banking would come to occupy those positions and circumvent laws against hiring based on race, ethnicity or religion.

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By ekdar, March 2, 2008 at 8:25 pm Link to this comment

” You’re wrong in your suspicion that that I am “trying in an oblique way to see if there are others who might agree with me that Jews wield too much power and influence.””

Given your revealing reply, I would say that “oblique” is not the proper adjective after all. Something between direct accusation and innuendo would be more appropriate. If I had a thesaurus handy I would consult and find a better word.

I’m sorry for the grievance you carry with you, but I think your approach and motivations are fairly smarmy and smack of vendetta and deeply ingrained bias. I will not wish you any luck with your “research”.

Oh, one more thing, if you didn’t already know. Here in the US we have an expression meant to call someone on just the sort of wink-and-nod bigotry you are showing, especially as regards Jews and blacks, and it goes like this: “Don’t get me wrong - some of my best friends are Jews”.

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By Fadel Abdallah, March 2, 2008 at 7:12 pm Link to this comment

ekdar,

You’re wrong in your suspicion that that I am “trying in an oblique way to see if there are others who might agree with me that Jews wield too much power and influence.”

For your information, I am a social scientist who is trying to do some fresh and original investigation into this social phenomenon I raised in my post. I hope to use this information for a future article or book on the subject. If I wanted people to agree with me that Jews wield too much power and influence, all I need to do is to cite the work of Mearshimer and Walt, entitled, “The Israel Lobby” or another work by former president Jimmy Carter, entitled, “Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid;” both best-sellers read by millions of people worldwide.

The reason I am interested in this subject is because, for better or worse, my personal live has been intertwined with the Jews in ways I don’t want to get into its details at this point. But suffice to say that I am a dispossessed survival of the Zionist colonial enterprise in Palestine, and up to this moment I make a distinction between Jews and Zionists. I have many good and noble Jewish friends, and I owe it to our friendship not to make sweeping statements against or for all Jews, when I am in a position to get to my conclusions after doing the thorough research for a sensitive subject such as this.

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By Douglas Chalmers, March 2, 2008 at 6:50 pm Link to this comment

Continually focussing on what you hate or fear most, you then inevitably become like that yourself, uhh. You have created it in yourself by concentrating on those very ‘qualities’.....

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By Fadel Abdallah, March 2, 2008 at 6:39 pm Link to this comment

Maani:

Thank you much for you positive response to my inquiries. It would even be of greater help if you can provide me with the sources from which your facts were drawn.

Peace!

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By geronimo, March 2, 2008 at 3:51 pm Link to this comment
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One reason that the Zionist lobby is so influential is that should the shit hit the fan in the Mideast, with our military being forced out of Iraq, what better scapegoat than the Jewish settler-state?  All president Bush has to say is “Yes, I lied and some of our best and brightest died, but I did it for Israel”; and then Jews of the world watch-out.  Tolerance and brotherly love will save the day?  Don’t count on it! 

And thus Zionism, a form of colonialism that supposedly was meant to liberate Jews from the oppression of Europe’s anti-Semitism, does put Jews everywhere at risk.

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By omop, March 2, 2008 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment

Bill Clinton was alluded to as the First African/American President. Since its a well known fact that Hillary has already sowed up the Tel Aviv-New York votes. It would have been presumptious to align her name with “the Jews”. Ergo the banner “Obama and the Jews”.

Just the mention of the words “Obama and the Jews” conjure up the very likelyhood specter of an individual capable of finishing off the ever-slowly increasing number of individuals claiming to be survivors of the holocaust by no less a vocal child of survivors himself by the name of Finkelstein Ph.D.

An englightened remark, at least in the mind of this writer, has to do with the observation that on the one hand an American citizen not meeting the physical criteria of those who served as the President prior to his appearing on the scene and not quite subservient as others to kissing special interest posteriors is judged by a vocal minority of not being worthy of the Office.

The fork in the road this coming November is to either continue the same old policies or to change them dramatically but naturally at a moderate phase but never the less to change them.

Its hard to envision that 300 million Americans will believe anymore in those individuals that claimed “cakewalks and that Iraqi oil will pay for the cost of the present quagmires” estimated to be over 3 trillion dollars as well as the several thousand dead young American men and women not to mention the 100,000 crippled for life and the millions of Iraqi dead.

Reality has a way of making its presence unavoidable. And the time for that reality is ever present. Attempts to forestall the emerging reality is what made the headline, “Obama and the Jews”. Whats more real than $200 a barrel of crude? Ouch.

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By ekdar, March 2, 2008 at 2:18 pm Link to this comment

Scrutiny?

What, are you going to stalk him now?

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By ekdar, March 2, 2008 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

It seems to me that you are trying in an oblique way to see if there are others who might agree with you that Jews wield too much power and influence.

Is that what you believe?

Even if it were true, what would you propose as a “remedy”?

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By Maani, March 2, 2008 at 1:06 pm Link to this comment

Fadel:

I was with you until the last paragraph.  In offering an “educated” response, the Jews were not “present in such large numbers in Germany.” They certainly were present there, but you forget that Hitler was also murdering Jews from Austria, Prussia, Hungary, and other countries he had invaded - particularly Poland, which DID have a large population of Jews at the time.  (Indeed, by some estimates, almost one-third of all Jews who died in the Holocaust came from Poland.)

Also, the Jews certainly did have financial influence - though not in the way it is usually explained.  As Germany’s (and Austria’s) financial troubles increased during the years of the Weimar Republic, the governments of those countries began relying more and more on the Jewish banks and lending institutions for loans, etc.  And although it is NOT true that the Jews were charging usurious interest rates (their rates were actually competitive with all other lending institutions at the time), ANY interest becomes a huge burden when a government continues to fail economically.

By the time the National Socialists came to power, the Jewish banks held a majority of the government’s loans, and they expected to have the interest on those loans paid (as did every other, non-Jewish-held bank).  Hitler used this to create the myth of the “stingy Jew” - stating that the Jewish bankers would not forego the interest despite the critical condition of the German economy (though NONE of the banks were willing to forego their interest) - thus setting the stage for the scapegoating of ALL Jews.

Those are the two facts I can offer in response to your otherwise well-thought-out post.

Peace.

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By Fadel Abdallah, March 2, 2008 at 12:38 pm Link to this comment

Have you ever paid special attention to the implication of this article “Obama and the Jews”?! I am not aware that anyone has written an article entitled “Obama and the Afro-Americans;” though the Afro-Americans in this country outnumber the Jews of the whole world, estimated at 14 million. I am not aware that anyone wrote an article entitled “Obama and the Hispanics;” though the number of Americans from Hispanic background also outnumber the total population of the Jews in the world. And I am not aware that anyone wrote an article entitled, “Obama and the Muslims” or “Obama and the Arabs” though there are possibly more Americans of Arab background or the Islamic faith than there are American Jews.

I once jokingly asked a Jewish friend, “Are we sure that there are only five to six million Jews in America? Are we sure that there are only 14 million Jews in the whole world, when I see them everywhere and I hear them always making their presence felt?” My Jewish friend did not give me an answer to my curious question, though she smiled beautifully taking my question as a compliment.

The Jews pronounced and ever-felt presence in the world in general and in the United States in particular can, in my opinion, be explained in one of several ways:

1. It might be attributed to their financial, political or entrepreneurial skills and influence.
2. It might be attributed to their aggressiveness in asserting their rights and their special status in the societies where they live.
3. It might be attributed to a psychological instinct for survival after what happened to them during the Holocaust. But then, I remember the native Americans who were practically annihilated by the white European colonialists and I ask the following question: “Why don’t the surviving native Americans have that survival instinct to make their power and presence felt in what supposedly was their original homeland?”

Moreover, I push my inquiry further and ask the question, “Since an estimated 6-7 million Jews perished in the Nazi Holocaust, and several millions more survived, why and how they were present in such large numbers in Germany and what type of economic and political power they might have had?” Since I do not have definite and specific answers to all these questions, I would appreciate enlightened and educated remarks. No propaganda or racist remarks, please!

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By troublesum, March 2, 2008 at 11:22 am Link to this comment

We haven’t seen anything yet.  When the economy does tank in the next 3 or 4 years we will have a president (Obama, Clinton, McCain, or Frist) who will do exactly as Hoover did - nothing.  Remember government is the enemy now.

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By PatrickHenry, March 2, 2008 at 8:01 am Link to this comment

Good post, Chertoff is another one who deserves scrutiny.

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By Maani, March 2, 2008 at 7:41 am Link to this comment

Cyrena:

“So, I can’t do your work on Dershowitz. You’ll just have to google your little heart out, because there’s no way even YOU could have missed this, if you have in fact done any research on Dershie.”

That is probably the weakest most weasely response I have ever gotten from someone who claims to be an academic.  The bottom line is that you have ZERO to substantiate the claim, and you are too arrogant to admit you are wrong.  Period.

Nice try.

Peace.

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By weather, March 2, 2008 at 4:48 am Link to this comment
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anti-semitism is a defense tactic, a cloak of deflection that says please don’t make me confront the truth about myself.
While hate doesn’t motivate the critics, its Jews and Israel that hate what the critics say. Well that’s too bad, they’ve been running from the truth for a very long, exhausting time and they just still don’t get it.

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By Douglas Chalmers, March 2, 2008 at 3:45 am Link to this comment

No, its a common and often-accessed website, of course, cyrena.

Try this link to see why they don’t want any criticism this weekend - AIPAC’s views of its strengths and achievements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Israel_Public_Affairs_Committee#AIPAC.27s_views_of_its_strengths_and_achievements

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By cyrena, March 2, 2008 at 3:18 am Link to this comment

” The Obama supporters like to claim that the GOP is more afraid of Obama than Hillary, and WANT to run against Hillary because they think she will be easier to beat, since they think it would galvanize the anti-Clinton GOP and independent votes, and give the GOP more to work with in its swift-boat and other smear tactics.”

Nope Maani, you’ve got it all wrong. The GOP would MUCH prefer to run against Hillary, which is why THEY are now scrambling themselves.

They figured it was all a done deal. Hillary would run as they fake Democrat. They could basically run whomever they wanted, and a GOP outcome would be guaranteed. That way, whether it was the ‘advertised as written’ GOP candidate, (McCain or whomever) or the shadow GOP candidate, (Hillary) they still win.

I don’t think you get that yet. Hillary and McCain are ...ta da…THE SAME.

(it even rhymes).

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By cyrena, March 2, 2008 at 3:01 am Link to this comment

WHOA!! Very interesting. Has this ever happened before?

(I’ve never ever tried to access aipac’s website, so I don’t know).

Sounds sort of dramatic though.

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By Douglas Chalmers, March 2, 2008 at 12:03 am Link to this comment

Quote Bill Boyarsky: Levine, a former member of the board of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), said the attacks are “a problem….

Not that AIPAC’s website has been taken down tonight…... they are uncontactable! http://www.aipac.org/

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By Douglas Chalmers, March 1, 2008 at 11:48 pm Link to this comment

Israeli linked to AIPAC probe to leave post http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=573046&contrassID=13

FBI charges Pentagon analyst in AIPAC affair http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=572420&contrassID=13

FBI probe into AIPAC-related scandal - more Qs than As http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=576275&contrassID=13

The two senior officials directly concerned with the Franklin affair - Rosen and Weissman - will have to pay the price by facing legal charges, possibly even indictments, analysts in Washington said yesterday, while the organization will emerge almost unscathed. But the price will be a heavy one. Rosen is not merely another AIPAC official; in the eyes of many, he is AIPAC itself. He joined the lobby after the struggle over the sale of AWACS surveillance equipment to Saudi Arabia, a struggle that AIPAC lost but that put it on the map at Capitol Hill.

Rosen pushed not only for lobbying with Congressmen but also directly with the executive branch. His executive lobbying proved a success and Rosen was seen coming and going at the White House, State Department and Pentagon, advocating Israel’s case.

While very little is being said by the sides, it is clear that Rosen and AIPAC are not parting as friends. The fact that the announcement about Rosen and Weissman was portrayed differently by each side indicates that they are not leaving of their own free will. One surmise is that AIPAC insisted on presenting their departure as a dismissal in order to convey the message that it takes resolute action against officials who do not abide by regulations and that the lobby itself is not a problematic body.

The AIPAC-Franklin affair has now reached a decisive point. As an organization, AIPAC hopes it has cut out the cancer and can now recover and rebuild its connections that were prejudiced. For the two senior officials, the legal process is just beginning. For the federal prosecutor, Attorney Paul McNulty, the time is approaching when the veil of secrecy over the affair must be lifted and its full scope made public.

Was this a case of an Israeli mole in the Pentagon, a lobby that overstepped its authority, or a one-time act in which the lobby’s officials transferred forbidden information to Israeli representatives…?

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By Douglas Chalmers, March 1, 2008 at 11:35 pm Link to this comment

Everybody has some power, cyrena. Now is the time for everybody to speak up and speak out for what the believe in.

Now is the time to define your humanity or forever will the USA be led by the nose by the forces behind AIPAC.

That includes Hillary and McCain and Obama, too. They are all aready elected officials and have the ability to influence things…... for better or for worse.

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