Has Obama ever compared Hillary to George Bush? Obama is a good Democrat who has run the cleanest, most elevated campaign in American history, as far as I know. Hillary is a politician who will say and do anything, including hurt the party and the country, in order to win. We the people are not as dumb as you think we are. We can tell the difference.

Maani, dear Maani ...

I respect your loyalty to Hillary, I really do.

But like it or not she is the one drawing the parallel to Bush, not just with her words but with her delivery of those words. In other words [lots’a words] she forces the picture of Bush into the mind. A mistake, because as everyone can well remember his was the negative campaign. As are ALL republican campaigns.

I’m not alone in my reaction. Experts, voters and dim-bulbs all across the political spectrum see her current tack as ... well, tacky.

Seems to me the truly loyal Hillary supporter would try and reach out to her and let her know she’s working against her own best interests. Like spittin’ in the wind. It’s not hittin’ Obama, it’s coming back in her own face.

Peace? Maybe if we elect a president who actually understands the meaning of the word.

Louise,

You bring up such good points here. They also serve as ‘prompts’ for my continuing education.

Like this for instance:

• He cant focus because he never knows what will greet him when he goes home. The attack ... screaming, condemning, finding fault ... or the, Hi Sweetheart, how was your day? A form of shell-shock. Never knowing when the bomb will go off.

I’d say yes, it’s a form of shell-shock, and it’s also a form of TERROR. The confusion of the unpredictability, combined with total irrationality….(nothing makes sense) is a form of terror. And, Americans in general, have been terrorized for over 7 years now.

Nobody knows what to expect from anything. What used to make sense, or what used to be ‘routine’, is gone. It has simply vanished. It could be one thing, like what greets the child returning from school, or it could be something else. And, one never knows which it will be.

As a collective society, we have an idea of the basic laws of the land, and the normative sort of routine. Then all of a sudden, (or not really, but so it seems) that’s all snatched out from under us. Torture used to be prohibited, and we could count on that. Now..it’s all whatever Dick Bush says it is. Just get somebody to write it up, and in the process, ‘up’ will now mean ‘down’, except for when it means ‘up’.

And yes, it HAS created all of the craziness. I’ve noticed it in the rise of the irrationality of religion. Despite my “Culturally Catholic” upbringing, I’ve never considered myself particularly ‘religious’. Yet, in the old Century, religion was just sort of always around, just like any other ‘parts’ of the average person’s life. I lived in a multi-cultural neighborhood, so the ‘acknowledgment’ of multiple religious persuasions was a natural for me. And, even though I wasn’t particularly ‘religious’ myself, in the conventional sense, I would NEVER have thought of myself as an ‘atheist’ since I always believed in some sort of ‘higher power’ even if I didn’t think it was a guy with a beard in the sky. Surely, it never prevented me from indulging/respecting my grandma, or any other relatives/neighbors/etc, in their more serious consideration of the Deity.

Well! Along came GWB and his Evangelical crew, and they’ve just become crazier and crazier! They’ve spread this crazy shit like the worst kind of a plague, and damn if I haven’t become a ranting atheist, who would as soon chop off their heads as look at ‘em!

Needless to say, this is a purely emotional REACTION, (and an extreme one) and on an intellectual level, I KNOW THAT! Doesn’t matter. If a witness for Jehovah had come to my door on a Saturday morning 8 or so years ago, I would have at least answered the door, and chatted politely, if only briefly. NOW…depending on the timing and circumstances, I’m likely to chase them down the walk with a skillet or whatever else might be handy.

This is not a good thing, and I blame the criminals that are still at large, particularly in the White House. (though like all other rats, they’ve multiplied and spread out).

So, yeah…everybody has PTSD, of some version of it, including Hillary. She EXPECTED to be the POTUS come 2009. For her, it was a given. It was PREDICTABLE. Now that it is no longer a given, she’s desperate, and so she’s doing desperate things. And the more desperate she becomes, (the campaign is downright nasty and mean – I agree) the more she sinks. It’s like trying to get a stuck car out of a ditch. If you panic, and do the wrong thing, the car just sinks deeper into the ditch, tires spinning, but without any traction.

And now we’ve got Nader gearing up time, money, and energy for a 3rd failure.  Let’s just keep everything as confusing and unpredictable as possible, to keep the terror going, eh? I mean, that’s what it would seem like he must be thinking, or not (thinking).

cyrena:

“It’s the accident in slow motion nightmare; over and over again.”

“Listening/hearing creates episodes of PTSD for me.”

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The accident in slow motion, followed by the PTSD episode. What a great analogy! Maybe that explains a lot of craziness. Maybe we are all trapped in some form of PTSD.

Like the kid who wants to do good in school, wants to be an achiever, but he cant focus. He cant focus because he never knows what will greet him when he goes home. The attack ... screaming, condemning, finding fault ... or the, Hi Sweetheart, how was your day? A form of shell-shock. Never knowing when the bomb will go off.

Maybe it is too late for Hillary. Strangely, it’s almost like she wants to self-destruct! It was clear on last nights news, mainstreammedia is labeling her campaigning as “nasty” and “mean,” at least the news I watched. Hardly the persona one would expect from the woman for change. Oh that may have come out wrong. Makes it sound like nasty and mean are characteristically womanly. Oh well, you know what I mean. Maybe we’re seeing desperation on the cusp of madness.

Anyway, thanks for your response. And good to know you never rubbed up against the “upper crust.”

Bravo Jackpine.

Maani, any questions here? This seems to pretty well cover it.

So, I guess if she was really dead set against it...’in private’ and worked really hard -in private- to keep NAFTA off the table, it must not have been a very successful effort. (even the alleged sabotage didn’t work)

Do ya think she’ll be any more successful this time around?

I dunno Maani. She’s lost the last 10 states. IN A ROW. That’s not a good sign. Well, at least not for Hillary.

I’m OK with it though.

There was talk of Clinton being involved in the whole right wing sweep around Congress of the Iran-Contra affair. How? By allowing his State to be used as a launching and staging point. For this, vast sums of money poured through and “allowed” the “Arkansas Miracle” to occur in the midst of a depression. The “Miracle” allowed him to go on and win a nomination. It was said that the head of the CIA during that time made the deal, and the second part of the deal was the making him President. Unfortunately, he died of brain cancer(?) before being made to answer any questions regarding this matter, and Bush Jr. made sure to seal all records regarding his daddy, which covers this time. Could that be the source of hatred for many right wingers that Clinton came to power on their coat tails as the golden haired boy profiting off their illegal hard earned wars? If that was the case, one would expect him to promote whatever would float his boat further at the expense of everyone else. Of course, everything could be cloaked under the veil of “National Security”, records sealed and so forth. Enough books were written about this back door, shadow way of doing business and yet, nothing happened. The information was there but the mainstream media, if they mentioned it, let sleeping dogs lie.
You are right about NAFTA creating hardship in Mexico and sending illegal workers over the border. There are precedents for this policy such as during WWII. Soon as the need evaporated(war over), it was don’t let the door hit you on your bum on your way back. Did some stay? What would one think? Were some offered on the sly their jobs, wink, wink, if they just happened to show back up?
What jobs would have existed back in their countries, and at what wages if they had been working in a foreign country? Arriving back in their home country would have created a glut of workers, and no newer opportunties. The stage was set for illegal immigration based upon official government policies created under the “cloud of war”. Racism dictated then the “Guest Worker Status”. We didn’t import labor, we just borrowed some poor people from Mexico to be returned when we were through with them. Similar to slavery in the South, without the chains;just no papers if they chose to run and we now use ICE as the runaway slave bounty hunters or Union busters if they want to organize.
Policy such as this would continue under a Clinton, or both of them, as they never confronted it before nor attacked it. It is more of the wink, wink variety but real people, all of us, suffer for it. I include our fellow humans with the yoke of “Illegal Immigrant” branded upon them.