BUT like Obama in Illinois, we’ll never know.

My point was that Hill-the-business-shill had her fair share of “luck”

CONFLICT!

Cyrena

“So, if many Americans actually DO have better memories than others, how can we ‘fault’ them for it?”

Actually your memory may be slipping or you might have pointed out to Maani that “LUCK” played a large part in Hill-the-business-shill’s ass making it to the New York Senate chair.

If Rudy had not gotten cancer, and dropped out of the race, she would have had to run against SOMEBODY rather than a little known state rep from Podunk!

It surely would behoove all of us to recognize a biased opinion of a news ‘talking head’ OR a legitimate journalist should be able to leave his bias out of his work. How can anyone truly trust or respect ones work if they can be fair to ONLY one candidate? After years of feeling lied to by cnn,abc,msnbc,etc,etc, I was starved for truthfulness and started my search for the REAL THING and started digging for the news on the internet. I happened to invest in satelite tv around the same time and discovered Link tv and Democracy Now, with Amy Goodman. That was one of the luckiest days of my adult life because I finally found people that told both sides of the story on every issue. I discovered Dahr Jamail, investigative reporter, who has been all over the middle east since this damnable illegal & unnecessary invasion/occupation began. Now I know the truth on a much grander scale than I did before and only watch the MSM to catch them on their lies,desceptions and omissions. I am so grateful for Direct TV and the opportunity to finally hear/see programs with REAL integrity!

Are you serious?  Do you know anything about history?  Its a joke, satire.  Jews have been accused of cooking and eating gentiles for millenia, because they formed a culture outside the norm.  The cartoonist is just making fun of that.  You take things too seriously.

i agree.  does anyone not see anything fishy about bush, clinton, bush, clinton?  doesn’t anyone remeber how to play connect the dots?

BuzzFlash started returning my posts today. I have had a lot of posts on there, but the editor has put the hex on me.

He was still accepting, but not printing my posts until today. I went from having several a day on the site to none about a month ago when I called him on not being impartial. He said he was, but has really gone negative on Clinton.

I am not a huge fan of Clinton, but it should be even coverage if you claim to be not endorsing a candidate.

I miss you Marjorie. Did you just stop posting or did he deny you entrance as well?

I have been trying to find Marjorie. I miss her from BuzzFlash and wonder if she was excommunicated as well. Until today they were accepting my posts, but not printing any, even if they were just about Republicans.

Today I started getting everything back. I was wondering if that is why I haven’t seen anything from Marjorie in a long time.

Missed your posts Marjorie.

Now I’m telling you all of this not to suggest that we deserved some brownie points from the campaign or something, but to show you that we were pretty damn nice to her campaign privately and when we didn’t have to be. And we got pretty much nothing in return other than “you hate us, now go away” the first time we wrote anything critical of her.

After something like that happens, it changes your view of the campaign and eventually the candidate. There is a definite sense that you’re dealing with people who don’t appreciate you, who think you owe them something, and who think that they’re so much better than you that you should be happy that they let you help them at all. It’s not a good thing, and it suggests something about them that is rather not good.

Subseqeuntly, I’ve talked to other journalists I know, people who were not around in the 90s and weren’t part of the get-Bill posse, and they’ve had the same experience with the campaign. Strong-arming to the point of creating resentment. And, interestingly, they did not have the same experience with the other campaigns. Neither have we.

So that’s the part of the story that I can tell. Some of you may think that we’ve been mean to Hillary of late, but you don’t know the whole story of how much we tried to help and go treated pretty crappy as a result. That was a window into the soul of her campaign, and it wasn’t real pretty.
John Aravosis | 02.17.08 - 7:09 pm | #

This is the reason John Avarois is so “mean” to Hillary;;;;;In his own words.

Doozy, unfortunately it was an off the record lunch with the campaign that I can’t recount because, even though they really ticked us off, if things are off-the-record they have to be kept that way. But, I can tell about aspects of our relationship with the campaign that were not off-the-record.

Joe and I reached out to Hillary’s people two years ago. Sat down with them, told them we were agnostic on her and her campaign - didn’t love her, didn’t hater her. But that we were concerned that a lot of folks online, the blogosphere, the Netroots, etc., seemed to really really really not like Hillary, and that didn’t seem helpful to the party, especially since at that time she was the shoo-in to win the nomination anyway. So, we sat down for 2 hours and gave them lots of suggestions as to how they could better improve relations out there. In return, a number of bloggers did get invited to a lunch with bill, and that was great. But since that time, and we’re talking 18 months ago, the campaign’s relations with a lot of us were nonexistent. I mean, I received only 2 emails from their outreach person in 6 months. Nothing else. In the meantime, I’d go on Paula Zahn’s show and Howie Kurtz’s show, sometimes 3 times in a month, and be asked to defend Hillary and I would. I never got a call, never got an email, never got anything from the campaign thanking me. I didn’t say a thing, it didn’t piss me off, but I did think it weird that no one even said thanks, but whatever. And again, remember, at this point, we were one of the only blogs that hadn’t turned against her (this is a good year ago). I wasn’t particularly angry that they never reached out, but it does give you a window into what critics raise - this sense that somehow they were doing me a favor by letting me publicly defend her, so there was no need to say thanks.

So, then the controversy over Hillary’s Iraq war authorization vote comes up. Do we join in the call for her to apologize? No. I did, however, write a few posts, maybe 3, about Hillary’s comments about having lived through 9/11 and that’s why she feels the way she does about Iraq. As a result of those handful of posts, I learned that apparently this meant that I had written Hillary off, had decided to support another candidate, and that’s why the campaign was no longer talking to me (of course in the previous 6 months, as I said, I’d been contacted twice by their outreach person, so the not talking had begun a half year earlier, but whatever). Basically, we went out of our way to try to help her for free, and I repeatedly defender her on TV, because she’s a powerhouse in the party and the level of hate and/or visceral dislike for her didn’t strike as very healthy (especially since, at the time, she was THE shoo-in for the nomination). In return, since we didn’t drink the Kool-aid 100% of the time, but only 97% of the time, we were written off as the enemy.

Oh, there’s another story too. A year ago at the DNC winter meeting Joe and I were trying to get an interview with Hillary. Again, keep in mind that we’re the only top blog that wasn’t openly antagonistic to her. A top staffer of hers tells us that he can likely bring her down to the blogger area of the conference and that we’ll get first dibs at her. Joe, my coblogger, tells Hillary’s person “no.” Joe says “turn around.” It was someone who may have publicly eviscerated Hillary and caused quite a scene, something she really really really didn’t need. Her staffer thanked us, and Hillary never appeared. This was before the handful of posts I wrote criticizing her.

mike mid-city, do you blame anyone else for the war?? Your harping on this stupidness is really old.

“The USA needs the touch of a woman to salve the wounds it has gone through and is still going through.”

I find it interesting that this sentiment is considered acceptable in our political dialogue, since I’ve heard it more times than I can recall, and yet it’s patently sexist.

Any time one sex is singled out as being exceptionally better (particularly when it comes to their humanity), by it’s very nature it is a sexist statement. And for those of you who think it’s being realistic to believe that women are more caring or nuturing than men, explain the following:

Barbara Bush, Ann Coulter, Andrea Yates, Margret Thatcher, Susan Smith, Imelda Marcos, Joan Crawford, Leona Helmsley, Michelle Malkin, Laura Ingraham, Erzsebet Bathory, Marie Antionette, Phyllis Schlafly, Eva Braun, Lizzie Borden, etc.

And it would be just as easy to make a list of men that included Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., The Dalai Lama, Albert Schweitzer, Desmond Tutu, Jesus of Nazareth, etc.

I’m one of those who thinks there’s no contest between Barack Obama’s abilities to “salve the wounds” of this nation over Hillary Clinton’s abilities.

_Greg Bacon :

This particular cartoon proves beyond a doubt that Jews are fearless and wantonly explicit in their hatred of our European-American heritage and our people and they are not scared in the least to say it openly because there will NEVER be consequences for them. Of course if this cartoon taught someone how to cook a Jew, careers would end, death threats would commence and fines or imprisonment would follow. Jews are the most hateful people on the face of the earth.

The magazine was not bought at a Zionist meeting or AIPAC meeting, no, far more insidiously it’s sold openly on the shelves of Barnes and Noble.

A pdf of the cartoon has been uploaded here, check it out, be outraged, these Jews have some serious explaining to do as to what makes this “funny.”

More trash passing off as Jewish entertainment can be seen at Heeb Magazines website.

How to contact Barnes and Noble and get this garbage off of store shelves? Contact customer support and share a piece of your mind.

http://newsfromthewest.blogspot.com/2008/02/jewish-mag azine-shows-how-to-cook.html

Think CNN’s Wolf Blitzer will cover this story?  Or maybe FOX’s Britt Hume will give it some air time.

Don’t hold your breath for this atrocious cartoon to ever see the light of day in the Zionist owned MSM.  In that Never-Never Land of disinformation and propaganda, news anchors get a pat on the back and pay raises anytime they slander, malign or distort anything Muslim/Arabic.

But woe to the fool who dare question anything about Israel/Zionism, for their reward is to be fired, threatened with violence, possibly even tossed in prison, all for asking honest questions about the descendants of the Khazars.

Here’s a link to the original story in Heeb Magazine

http://www.heebmagazine.com/articles/view/125

_POTASSIUM :

DOESN’T come as a surprise to me coz a certain montreal dweller called Mr Kosher explained certain things to me and since that day i avoid zionists like the disease it is and like the disease they are.

greg bacon, thanx and the advantage of such a forum is that all bring something to here and hence i just get the headlines easy instead of sifting through 90 pages per day

You say Obama is “unelectable”

then you say “if he gets to run the country...” thus and so.

You say Hill-the-business-shill “… for all her faults surely has a better grasp of what is happening on our planet and has shown that she can walk and think;”

But

You ask “what about opposition to an administration that has no real opposition yet” Since the business shill has been in the Senate for almost 8 years, and the administration (admittedly) has no opposition, why should any thinking voter who opposes this administration’s track record vote for her?

She’s already the “one” the undemocratic, Democrats have “decided” like the other “decider” they don’t give a rats ass about votes or opinion. If she can’t “win” honestly, the “party” is prepared to seat Michigan, Florida, and give her a lion’s share of “super delegates. 

But to be fair to the business shill, I believe this country of once strong, and opinionated people is voting for a Mommy or Daddy who will keep them warm and safe. They sure don’t have the guts or fortitude to question this Pakistani type process.

Frankly, I’m disgusted!

Honey, where are you from? Your rant is truly banana republican.

Yeah, Ms Faludi knows what she’s talking about. I have read so much sexist vitriol against Hillary from supposedly respectable places, and it is particularly offensive since there are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticise her, you don’t need to call her a wrinkly badly-dressed ball-busting bitch who can’t control her man, or a puppet to her husband (er...no, she doesn’t strike me that way at all), or a crybaby whose manipulating the masses because her eyes got briefly soggy after a long bitter day. If they printed the racist equivalent of that ubiquitous childish prejudice against women, those editors would be rightfully run out of town. Unfortunately, you need to be a certain kind of woman (or a very special kind of man) to be able to recognise misogyny as any kind of prejudice at all. To most people, unlike racism, it is simply the ‘truth’. It’s kind of amusing that these editors are now toning down their sexism because they’ve caught on that it causes righteous anger amongst certain women en masse, who just may go out and vote for the ball-busting white bitch because what’s worse than that kind of inhumane mentality that she’s up against? Isn’t that why Bush thought it was okay to drop bombs on innocent muslims? Because of that kind of prejudice? Yes… THAT kind of prejudice. Sexism is the worst and most virulent form of racism.

Now go out there and vote Obama, because he didn’t vote to give an idiot the power to wage an unnecessary war in order to preserve a shot at the presidency (oh wow, is that ironic or what?), and he hasn’t stuffed up (publicly) yet, and he deserves his chance to completely destroy his own character in the interests of the greater good, or failing that, in the interests of his own personal ambitions.

It’s Obama’s time. No sexism is required anymore. Or ever was. But thanks for the disgusting display of it up to now.

It was, sociologically speaking, very interesting.

...America the Beautiful…

For several years now I have noticed CNN, MSNBC, and all what is referred to as ‘mainstream’ talking heads in the so-called news rooms have drooled all over themselves with disparaging remarks about Hillary Clinton! First of all; it’s unprofessional, rude, ungentlemanly, unladylike and, last but not least, DISCRIMINATING! Just once it would be so nice to get real, truthful, informative, honest news instead of the manure they pass off as news. Chris Mathews, the little prissy jerk with the bow-tie, oh yes - Tucker Carlson, those made- up- to- the-teeth aging hidollar looking prostitutes, Wolf Blitzer,etc.,etc., are such a far cry from journalistic professional reporting of the news that I could vomit. Will someone direct me to the so-called ‘LIBERAL MEDIA’ stations that evidently don’t really exist. I am so sick of these people that are afraid of smart, strong and intelligent women that they put them down anyway they can. It’s not like every man that has been the President has done such a bang-up job. This country is suffering on so many levels that I am ashamed of mankind and their stupid, greedy, control-freaky fascist attitudes and actions! Give me a damned break!

Robinson is one of those in the main street media who cannot hide their disdain for the Clintons. He seems to discount the fact of the absolute hatred that has been shown over the years and demonstarted day in day out on MSNBC by him and his cohorts:Matthews, Buchanan, Tucker, etc.

Eugene…
Great thoughts...I think that just like the bufoons who led us into Iraq with no exit strategy; no Plan ‘B’.  The Clintons too have no Plan ‘B’ for this current campaign scenario, because they assuredly, unabashedly and arrogantly saw the nomination process as a mere formality; they envisioned their own liberation culminating with the throngs of convention goers. The only thing needed yet to be done was the dropping of all those pretty patriotic colored balloons from a Denver ceiling. 

In their view the upstart senator from IL would have a bit of fun and excitement with his win in Iowa, but New Hampshire solidified the inevitability of her candidacy.  Winning there sealed the deal and all would fall into place.

As many pundits have said over and over again during this campaign...do not underestimate the Clintons.  Accordingly...no one could have predicted that the man bestowed the title of ‘first black president’ by Toni Morrison, would become the focus of the all sealed up nomination process as the campaigns headed to South Carolina.  From beginning to end of that primary Bill Clinton was the galvanizing personna that had unexpectedness written all over it! 

If in the end Barack Obama does win the Democratic nomination, political pundits and historic campaign types will point to South Carolina as the beginning of the end for the Clintons.  Now...since the loses of Hillary in MD, DC and especially in Virginia, the word is that the failed Gulianni Firewall approach to campaigning is now underway. 

Ohio & TX loom as do or die. Word is circulating that the campaign has essentially written off the African-American vote and will focus on uneducated white women and Latinos to somehow stop the ship from capsizing. 

So...No Plan ‘B’ was ever talked about by the Clintons because of the certainty of her ascendency to the head of her party and what in her and Bill’s eyes was a vision of returning to what is rightfully theirs.  The package deal that is the Clinton political story sees itself cleaning up the Bush dynasty disaster with it’s own dynasty.  Why would the electorate ever consider anyone else? 

Bottom line is they can’t stand losing and will do whatever it takes to win, even if it splits the party or means writing off a solid constituency and spinning some outlanish idea, i.e., caucus participants in the end just really don’t matter and aren’t really people reflective of needing a president in the first place.  Get over it...you lost the caucuses because you didn’t fore see any importance of them in your assured nomination process.  How much more insulting to the 80 % of caucus goers in places like Idaho or 70 % in Kansas can they be?! 

This whole situation shows very clearly that if a campaign such as hers has no plan ‘B’ scenario worked out prior to the ship springing leaks then what kind of President would she make? 

We’ve spent the last 7 years dealing with a man in the White House whose cowboy arrogance clearly shows his non-administrative understanding of the importance of having plan ‘B’s. We can’t afford not to have plan ‘B’s.

The nation is ready for change, the media isn’t on Obama’s side, and the Clintons are grasping at straws.  It could get uglier yet and I for one hope it doesn’t, but I think we all know that it may be the only thing they have left and when you have no Plan ‘B’ and never had the common sense to plan for a Plan ‘B’...well it’s all they have left to spew and that will certainly spell the end for Bill and Hillary Clinton and their vision of restorating the 1990’s in the 21st century; that was then and this is now. 

Ultimately, the Clintons are now being seen as purveyors of the past and standing in the way of a nationwide movement of inspirational change for all Americans.  In 2008 Hope is not just a place on a map of a small southern state...it’s becoming a reality.

Seems to me that it is Mr. Robinson who cannot take criticism.  His very use of his column to rationalize the media treatment is an example of what Bill Clinton is talking about.  As for “investigative” journalism treating all candidates the same, I would note that the Edwards haircut was front page and Hsu who bundled contributions for Clinton was on the front page when the stories broke.  Yet, the Obama-Rezko story was on the back pages.  I do call it media bias when unfavorable coverage of one candidate makes front page news whereas a similar story about the other candidate gets buried in the back pages.

I also seem to remember they (the press) was (were)quite giddy when GWB ran in 2000 & 2004. Why would anyone listen to them again?

The Caucasian race is the smallest segment of world population, and they have been running everything for over 2000 years.

and… they have been doing such a great job!

Why not give someone else a turn.... or didn’t you have mandatory kindergarten in your state?

ABSOLUTELY!  But you know what really clinches it for me is that she has never apologized or expressed any genuine remorse about the unimaginable death, destruction, and chaos her vote contributed to.  Every time she is asked about her vote she blames others or parses it as a vote for inspections and negotiation, which everyone who was around at the time knows is a complete and utter fabrication.  She never looked at the REAL intelligence, and instead took Bush and Cheney’s lies as the truth.  That, at the very least, demonstrates incredibly BAD judgment, but I suspect the real reason she voted for it was because her poll-driven approach to government informed her it would be too risky, politically, to not.

That’s about as concise and direct a statement about Hillary Clinton that I’ve seen.  The war issue alone is enough to disqualify her from being the nominee.  But there are SO many others besides.  A Hillary nomination would be poison for the Democratic Party, for the country, and for the world no matter how much she is trying to repackage herself now.

Have to say that I perceive the situation the same way that Bill Clinton said he did.  I believe that there are far more disparaging sounding headlines for Hillary than I have seen for Obama.  Come to think of it, I can’t think of one that I have yet seen for Obama!

Setting aside race and gender for a second—start REALLY listening to the news.... every step that Obama makes is met with giddiness by the press.... yet with respect to Hillary, the press seems to be only looking for stories that give a negative slant....  Even a Tim Russert who I always thought I respected falls into this… I’ve seen him act gleeful and giddy at the prospect of another Obama win.  If I am disgusted with one thing in this whole exercise of primaries, it is the press… and by the way, when was the last time we saw them this giddy...? when they they were sitting in HumVees with the troops invading Iraq.

If you don’t think the press is giving Obama a pass in ignoring the story of his association with the indicted Rezko, then as a “newsman” what would you call it? Every time a fundraiser for the Clintons has been arrested it is front page news. Rezko is not just a fundraiser for Obama. He has had a long association with Obama since college. He helped Obama buy his million dollar mansion and Obama helped him get $14 million of Illinois taxpayer funds for his schemes. The tender care the press is giving Obama is just like what the press did for Bush. The American peope are going to have to decide if they want the juvenile press to decide who will be president or will intelligent voters decide our fate. As we all know from the disaster of the press-loving of Bush, the consequences are great.

The powers that be have already succeeded.  In an election following 8 years of the worst president in history, when a Democrat victory was ripe for the picking, the party is so divided that we will be conquered in the fall.

While you all are all in-fighting and diverted from the real issues by religion, gay marriage (is that really the most important issue of our time?), morality, race and gender issues, the Republicans are quietly preparing to march in lock step to victory.  You are playing right into their hands… Are we incapable of learning? 

I will work for the Democratic nominee, whoever that might be, and that should be the stance of anyone who does not want to see a continuation of the disastruous Bush policies.

Fact: Hillary has been brutalized by the press

Obama has gotten a pass that will not serve
him well in the GE

Edwards received 1/3 of the press coverage

The other candidates were ruled out before a
single vote was cast

The “Super Delegates” have historically voted
for the candidate with the most delegates, so
maybe we should stop dividing the party with
that particular bait

So, like lemmings to the sea manipulated by the powers that be, including the press, off the cliff we go… I never voted for Bill, I was never a Hillary fan, but this is all leaving a lasting, bitter taste in my mouth.  Is that how you want almost half of Democrats to feel in November?  If not, stop the in-fighting!  Any Democrat is better than any Republican, and that should be our mantra, otherwise, instead of saying “Yes We Can” we might be saying “I guess we couldn’t”.

To one who is not a citizen of the USA and lives far far away but has been following the progress of OBAMA and HILLARY somewhat, I for one, must add that there is the lady who stood by her husband during the years of agony that her husband’s Presidency went through.

By the same token she must be a person who would stand by every American. The USA needs the touch of a woman to salve the wounds it has gone through and is still going through. For a change the USA should think about having a Lady in the White House because it may, I say may, change the UGLY AMERICAN image that every American still carries today although that is not told on his face for reasons of decorum and possibly because everyone wants the US DOLLAR. So, why irritate the Ugly American.

Many of us still dread visiting the USA as tourists after all that we hace read and do read about the USA overall. Hopefully all this can change and the ANTI CHRIST put in its place before it swallows us all.

Now let me read between the lines. Let’s see, black male, writes like a Republican, already voted for Obama and has second thoughts.  Has great difficulty understanding gender. Very happy most of media is owned and controlled by Republicans.
Bill Clinton is a spouse of a candidate.  The airways are public and he can say whatever he wants. We had some great years when our 401 was climbing, no deficits, Family leave. Traveled many times to mid east to create peace. Bartered the Irish war. Yes I think you do not watch TV, you sleep a lot, if you think it is fair and unbiased.  Rush must be your mouthpiece.

I ask, can you think logically?
1) You are a College football coach going to the finals.  Your team consists of all seniors.  A friend calls you and tells you there is a freshman player that can really run and you should play him.  You probably would think about one second, even if this is your dear friend, and continue to play to win with your first string.
Or another example,
2) You are the CEO of a billion-dollar company and you have to be out of the country for 3 months.  You know this junior that has been with the company 2 years and he can never find his papers or his pencils but he can give a fine speech at the board meeting.  Now you would never consider leaving your company in his hands. Instead you assign your most qualified person that knows your business and has been there at your side for 15 years.

Hillary Clinton is the best choice, the most qualified candidate for President of the United States of America.

Democrats are coming out in numbers because of the last 8 years.  We have all been waiting to elect a person that is an obvious contrast the present administration.
They still have not forgotten Florida and how very wrong the Supreme Court was to take the rights of the American voters away by their mistake in selecting our President.
When we elect a member to Congress, regardless of party, they represent all the people in their State.  Fortunately for all of us, Hillary Clinton will represent all people and begin to repair all the fractures that have occurred.

Susan Faludi wrote in the LATimes

“In their appraisals of Hillary Clinton, the pollsters and pundits who have not gotten beyond that mommy/ball-buster teeter-totter narrative of American womanhood also have not begun to diagnose gender dynamics beyond the perspective of the little boy and his mom. A lot of female voters, however, may be factoring in a whole other kind of female archetype, whose wet eyes do not signal weakness and whose flashes of anger do not signal coldness, only pragmatic perseverance.

If pundits ever tried to understand what some female voters know about the complexity of women’s lives, they might begin to comprehend the appeal of a female candidate whose ethic of caring and whose posture of femininity derive from responsibilities beyond the maternal. And then they might begin to understand the affection of women in New Hampshire who put her over the top.”

IMO- The media is very anti-Hillary. The pictures of her in the LATimes always have her with her mouth wide open and her eyes large and staring. The media make states that Obamais attracting young voters and the intellectual elite (as well as blacks, naturally) whereas Hillary is attracting blue collar worke