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A Conflict of Conscience

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Posted on Feb 11, 2008

By Marie Cocco

RICHMOND, Va.—To understand the that grips the Democratic Party in Virginia, take note that Hugh Robertson had the audacity to wear his John Edwards button to the party’s big Jefferson-Jackson Day dinner Saturday night.

Though his candidate dropped out of the presidential contest last month, Robertson couldn’t bring himself to remove the Edwards pin from his lapel. So there he stood at a cocktail party, surrounded by other guests (including his wife, who sported a Hillary Clinton sticker) who made their allegiance to either Clinton or Barack Obama abundantly clear.

Robertson is the sort of Democrat that presidential campaigns beg to have in their corner. He is the party leader in a stretch of suburbia that sprawls south from Washington, D.C., and which is defined by its mixed demographics—blue collar, white collar, immigrants, retirees. “It’s those same people that Hillary is trying to get,” Robertson said in describing his neighborhood.  “I think Hillary probably will win them, but it’s not enough to win in Virginia.”

Robertson says he will make his own judgment based on his assessment of which candidate will do the most to address growing economic inequality. His decision may not come until he enters the voting booth. 

Polling in Virginia in advance of Tuesday’s primaries predicts that Obama is poised to win another convincing victory, besting Clinton in a state where the African-American vote is crucial, where white Democrats tend to be of the upscale, educated variety who have been drawn to his candidacy in droves, and where independents participate. 

Such a facile judgment was not so evident among those Democrats who gathered for the unexpected opportunity of seeing both Clinton and Obama at their annual dinner—a raucous, sold-out affair few could have predicted would play such a prominent role in the national presidential sweepstakes. The consensus among a sampling of the hundreds of people who gathered for the cash-bar cocktail party—not the smaller, more elegant affairs where the party’s officeholders and elite donors gathered—is that Democrats are split pretty much down the middle. The arguments for one candidate or the other echo in the stalemate between Obama and Clinton that has been playing out nationwide.

Kamini Pahuja, who heads a plastics company in the Richmond area, supports Clinton in good measure because she, Pahuja, is a professional woman who sees in Clinton’s candidacy an overdue chance for new leadership. “Why a woman? Because women know how to balance,” Pahuja says. Noting that other nations around the world long ago elected women heads of state, she says, “How can we be left behind India and Britain and Israel? Shame on us.”

To Liz Hoefer, a consultant from Alexandria, Obama is a biblical figure. “We have needed to raise up a leader,” Hoefer says. “He’s the Joshua. Moses saw the promised land, Joshua led the children into it.”

The chanting, squealing greeting for Obama when he entered the arena long after Clinton had finished her workmanlike speech was indeed religious in its fervor. Hundreds of young supporters filled the upper-tier seats, many of them having traveled to Richmond from college campuses around the Washington area.  Obama’s trademark rhetoric lilted with ease—he’d just run up victories in three states Saturday—and lifted his audience.

Earlier, Clinton had given her own signature performance. When she was elected senator from New York in 2000, she promised her constituents she would be a “workhorse, not a show horse.” She still is, delivering speeches thick on specifics and thin on soaring oratory. Her plodding style has worked so far in her political career. But in Obama she is matched against a sleek thoroughbred who mesmerizes crowds not so much with his track record but with the possibility of excitement to come.

Mary Tycz of Falls Church, Va., replays the arguments for both candidates over and over in her head, still trying to decide on her vote. “I like Hillary’s depth of experience. I like her brain, her intellect. I like that she’s a woman, she’s quick on her feet.” On the other hand, “Obama is inspirational to more people than me—to many people. When he says change, people are buying it.” As for Tycz, she, too, is resigned to making her final choice only when she gets to the polls. 

Marie Cocco’s e-mail address is mariecocco(at)washpost.com. 

© 2008, Washington Post Writers Group

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By Maani, February 13 at 8:26 am #

Cyrena:

Let ME correct you (since I’m so good at that...LOL).

Obama taught at University of Chicago Law School - NOT DePaul University College of Law.  Obama DID give a major speech at DePaul University, and it is probably because this speech is so well known that people tend to conflate the two schools.

Peace.

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By cyrena, February 13 at 1:48 am #

lodipete..you’ll just have to pay more attention I guess. For starters, you’ll have to know the difference between Chicago U, and DePaul University. The similarity is that they are both in Chicago, but if I’m correct, it was only at DePaul where Obama was an Associate Professor, (he wasn’t tenured yet) and NOT Chicago U. Please feel free to correct me if that isn’t the case. But, that is my own understanding.

Apart from that, odlid (see posting above) has directed you to Obama’s website, for the answers to these questions. (I’m not sure if he addresses Blackwater specifically on the website). And, I would also recommend listening to at least some of what he says in his public/campaign addresses, and it might not be a bad idea to check his record in the Senate as well. (though admittedly, that isn’t that long, since he’s still a technically a Jr. Senator, when seniority obviously means a great deal).

Anyway, ALL of this stuff is addressed in at least one of those sources, and they’re more often than not, repeated in the others.

Another source for many of his addresses would be the website, truthout.org. You’ll probably have to use their search bar, and make sure that you’re searching their site, TO, rather than the web in general. (there’s an option there on the site). Over the past 18 or so months, they’ve published a large number of his addresses to various groups throughout the nation.

I might also suggest the interviews that he’s given to various media, including the one currently posted on this truthdig site. The 60 minutes interview, which poses a number of relevant policy and issue questions.

What you can’t find on his website can almost certainly be found in his many caucus addresses, beginning with Iowa.

So, if you REALLY wanna know, the info is definitely out there and available.

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By Maani, February 12 at 11:49 pm #

Cyrena:

“Meantime, nobody in my neighborhood is buying any used cars from anybody. Matter of fact, nobody is buying much of any damn thing, because they have no jobs, and no money to buy shit WITH.”

I hear that.  Point taken.

“I mean, I’ve got a little tiny bit, but not enough for a used car. I’ve got some gold, (a little bit) but the used car salesman won’t accept that as payment. Wonder why?”

Hey, hang on a little while longer.  When the dollar finally tanks completely (and it will), and we spin into the serious depths of recession, that gold will be worth its weight in...gold.  And your car salesman will be more than happy to accept it...LOL.

Peace.

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By cyrena, February 12 at 11:12 pm #

Well, yeah..your post is enough to make some people go...hummm…

Not much substance here Maani. Curious you would respond to this post, rather than the many that actually HAVE some substance.

I mean, no offense against Liz or anything, but her’s is more of a heroic type cheerleading thing, that doesn’t really address the things that people are looking for or at, in a president.

I mean, you like to talk about the ‘inspiration’ and all that Obama embodies, and yeah..he does have that. But hey, that’s just an extra. That is NOT the part that I’m ‘buying’. I’m checking out the substance.

Meantime, nobody in my neighborhood is buying any used cars from anybody. Matter of fact, nobody is buying much of any damn thing, because they have no jobs, and no money to buy shit WITH.

I mean, I’ve got a little tiny bit, but not enough for a used car. I’ve got some gold, (a little bit) but the used car salesman won’t accept that as payment. Wonder why?

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By farmertx, February 12 at 4:08 pm #

Listen when a Congress Critter starts to address the House/Senate and you will hear many ask the Speaker for “permission to revise and extend” which is routinely granted.
That means he can say one thing to the assembled member’s and cause an entirely different speech to be recorded in the Congressional Record.
I don’t think that they can change their votes, but then again, many votes aren’t recorded.

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By odlid, February 12 at 2:49 pm #
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lodipete- you can find Obama’s policy positions on his website. Facts can be verified both through the Congressional Record and the content of his earlier speeches and his activities involving community development as a young man. Just so you know, I support Ron Paul.

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By Maani, February 12 at 10:28 am #

“To Liz Hoefer, a consultant from Alexandria, Obama is a biblical figure. “We have needed to raise up a leader,” Hoefer says. “He’s the Joshua. Moses saw the promised land, Joshua led the children into it.”

Yup.  Cult of personality.  Revivalist rhetoric.  References to Biblical figures.  Hmmm…

“But in Obama she is matched against a sleek thoroughbred who mesmerizes crowds not so much with his track record but with the possibility of excitement to come.”

The “possibility” of excitement (which itself is not substantive...).  Hmmm…

“On the other hand, “Obama is inspirational to more people than me—to many people. When he says change, people are buying it.”

Yup, they sure are “buying it.” Whether or not that “inspiration” has any substance to it.  People also “buy” used cars from used car salesmen, and “buy” into all sorts of cons and schemes.

Thing that make you go “hmmm...”

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By cyrena, February 12 at 9:42 am #

I.Q...my sentiments...exactly!! An excellent post.

We should probably keep in mind (pretty much always) that the author here has a bias herself, and a strong one. She too is convinced that Hillary Clinton should be the next President, (when I agree that Hillary makes an excellent Senator, but would be a disastrous president) and she’s very myopic in that mindset, just as is Hillary, who has stated simply enough, that she cannot and will not entertain even the remote possibility that she might lose, based on the voters’ preference for Obama.

One must always read Marie Cocco’s stuff with that in mind. Otherwise, why even quote Ms. Pahuja? Why not some other woman?

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By lodipete, February 12 at 9:29 am #

I keep asking for specifics and get nothing but platitudes. How is it that the editor of the Harvard Law Review and a lecturer at Chicago U. has had so little published in terms of opinion? Does anyone know his plans for Iraq,ending corporate welfare,health care,the tax codes, the military budget, international relations or the undoing of abominations like the “Patriot Act” and fascist groups like Blackwater Security? If so, how do you know and where can I find the published info?

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By jackpine savage, February 12 at 7:28 am #

Excellent analysis, I,Q.

I’ve felt from the beginning that Sen Clinton is the right person to lead the Senate Democrats.  She would be a fine person to take the mantle from the likes of Kennedy. 

And i agree wholeheartedly about the records of other female world leaders.  History has not born out the assumption that women would make better, more thoughtful, more peaceful leaders.  This may be a factor of them needing to become overly masculine to win power, but that does not change the end result.

Moreover, i cannot imagine that the world at large would be terribly impressed by our electing a woman to the presidency.  I imagine a reaction more along the lines of a sarcastic congratulations on our “enlightenment”.

We should not elect our leaders based on the wishes of the world; however, at a time when we are becoming more and more isolated and left behind we do need something (anything) that raises our standard.

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By i,Q, February 12 at 1:52 am #

Sorry about the accidental excess of italics! If the posting preview worked better, a la Comment Title field were retained, this would be a better world to blog in.... alas!

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By i,Q, February 12 at 1:33 am #

One’s sex is not remotely a qualification for leadership. If anyone were caught saying publicly that Hillary isn’t qualified to lead because<> she’s a woman, there would be an uproar, and the ignominious mantle of sexist would be thrown upon whomever made that statement. So why should it be acceptable when the knife cuts the other way?

If you ask Ms. Pahuja, who is quoted in the article, we are behind the times, and women should take this opportunity to get the equalizer. Never mind that Margaret Thatcher and Indira Ghandi both have dubious legacies, it is more important that they’re women. One a war monger reviled by those who suffered under her economic tyranny, the other an eventual dictator who was forcibly removed from power. Says Pahuja,"Why a woman? Women can balance things...” Color me convinced.

Please don’t misunderstand me here, i’m not saying that women can’t be excellent leaders, i’m saying that Ms. Pahuja is wrong to suggest that women are inherently different as leaders than men. Her insinuation that we should not lag behind other countries who have elected women to highest office is a rationalization symptomatic of the chauvinism prevalent in many Clinton supporters.  They are zealous at the prospect of a woman president. That is all well and good, but being a woman has nothing whatsoever to do with being president other than the trivia of its never having been before.

As for matters which <em>do concern presidential qualification, Cocco describes two different candidates here—let’s put gender aside for this paragraph (and for the rest of the damn nomination please)—one is a motivator, the other a policy wonk. One is a natural leader, the other a natural legislator. Sometimes the best fit for someone is right where they are. Hillary will be an invaluable ally in achieving the senate results we are going to need if we are to realize the changes Obama has us believing are possible.

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