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Posted on Feb 7, 2008
Huck and Mac
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By Bill Boyarsky

A nightmarish vision of a McCain-Huckabee ticket haunted me as the votes came in on Super Tuesday night.

It was too much to contemplate, this Stone Age combination of Sen. John McCain, who envisions us staying in Iraq for 100 years, and former Gov. Mike Huckabee, a believer in creationism.

The next morning, a closer examination of the exit polls cheered me up. Improving on a trend that was evident in his South Carolina primary victory, Barack Obama increased his share of the white vote, confounding skeptics who have maintained whites won’t vote for an African-American. As Gary Langer of ABC News noted, “Obama won white men in five of the 16 states where exit polls were conducted.” In California, white men favored Obama over Sen. Hillary Clinton 52 percent to 34 percent.

This was the best news of a night when Clinton and Obama battled to a tie that will extend their struggle to future state contests, perhaps all the way to the Democratic National Convention. Is it possible the country is moving beyond the racial divide, with younger voters no longer trapped by the prejudices of the past?

After Super Tuesday, Democrats worried that a long Clinton-Obama contest might irreparably damage the party’s prospects in November. Actually, the bigger threat is McCain winning the GOP nomination—as appears almost certain now with the exit of Mitt Romney—especially if the Arizona senator decides to appease the Republican right by choosing Huckabee as his running mate.

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The states Huckabee carried Tuesday—his own Arkansas plus Tennessee, Alabama and Georgia—encompass the heart of the South, pretty much Republican country since President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts more than 40 years ago.

As Huckabee said on “Fox and Friends” Wednesday: “You cannot win as a Republican if you don’t carry [the South]. You just can’t.” As for the vice presidency, he said on NBC’s “Today” show: “Let’s go ahead and be honest now. Nobody ever wants the vice president’s job. Nobody ever turns it down.”

To understand the danger posed by such a combo, you must first attempt, for the sake of argument, to briefly put aside their outrageous opinions. I know it is hard to forget McCain’s support of the surge in Iraq and his willingness to keep troops there for a century. Or to forget Huckabee’s view of amending the Constitution: “I believe it is a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God. And that’s what we need to do, is to amend the Constitution so that it fits God’s standards.” 

What is dangerous about Huckabee is that he is a good campaigner with the manner of what he once was—the minister of a Baptist church with a friendly, humorous way of speaking developed over years of sermonizing, counseling troubled couples and leading youth groups. Don’t be misled by his limited appeal to his Southern region and the Christian right. The man is easy to underestimate.

McCain shouldn’t be underestimated either, although many—including some prominent journalists and pundits—did when his campaign almost fell apart last summer. He’s got a great biography, and he deals with critics in   his audiences in a forthright and winning way. I witnessed that one night in Iowa when he spoke to a Christian right group. One man, a thorough know-it-all, blasted McCain for believing in global warming. McCain listened politely and then disarmingly said maybe you’re right. But maybe you’re not. Isn’t it smart to do the research and make preparations in case you’re not? All through the audience, I saw people nodding approvingly at the answer.

And polls indicate he would be a tough opponent. In California, considered safe for Democrats, the Field Poll, taken Feb. 3, showed Hillary Clinton beating him by just 45 per cent to 43 per cent and Obama leading him 47 percent to 40 percent.

With the right campaign smarts on the Democrats’ side, either Clinton or Obama should be able to beat McCain, with or without Huckabee on his ticket.

The issues are clearly with the Democrats.

The economy is plummeting, dragged down by the enormous debt being run up to finance the war. Hopefully, the Democrats will be able to make the connection in a stronger manner than they have done so far.

The Democrats are not fractured by huge ideological divisions. Both Clinton and Obama want out of Iraq, although she favors too slow a pullout. They disagree over health care, but it is somewhat of a wonkish dispute over whether everyone should be forced to have insurance.

Most important, together they can pull together a Democratic coalition that cuts across racial and economic class lines. Clinton won white women, Obama won white men. Latinos backed her, blacks supported him. They’ll fight hard but hopefully without damaging each other or themselves. The pre-Super Tuesday campaigning was actually pretty peaceful and collegial. If you want to see ugliness, go back to 1968 and 1972 when the Vietnam War tore the Democratic Party apart. I hope Clinton and Obama are smart enough to avoid having that happen again.



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By Frostedflakes, February 8, 2008 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

I believe that there are more collective forces for positive change and accountability than are being acknowledged. The media selectively dissimulates groups or forces that they deem not worthy. People matter. And I speak to people all day and I can assure you that there are elements that do not believe in this supposed two party system and are actively pursuing change, if not among the masses,  among local citizenry. And if that is the only way to really awaken folks then that is what is needed to be done. People who write on these blogs should also take up the responsibility of at least discussing, if not informing, others of the underlying truths of this Republic. Nothing worth having comes easy, and we as an American populace have been far too complacent for too long. We will never get this country back to where it was, and belongs, if we wait upon politicians. Each person, as you have noted, has got to be responsible for the betterment of the whole.

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By Michael Shaw, February 8, 2008 at 11:53 am Link to this comment

Well that is yet to be seen although if the democrats were obsconding with delegates like the republicans are with the winnner take all scenario, Hillary would have a clear lead.

As for McCain not embracing Huckabee, don’t forget that Huckabees leanings were aimed at McCain, not Romney. Also interesting, beyond Huckabee, the only other candidate who did well in the south was Obama.

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By Shenonymous, February 8, 2008 at 11:52 am Link to this comment

Dispelling one myth doesn’t mean another one ought to take its place.  Reactionary wrong headedness does not a better world make.  There are plenty of people who are not insane and who are awake.  I count myself among them and those who are not “believers” also belong.  The fact that we are outnumbered doesn’t mean we don’t exist.  To imply that we don’t is utter unwarranted despair which is where I am not.  It is a hand-wringing mentality and quite paralyzing for then it would further imply that no action can help.  The crist myth is well-known and not arcane.  Atheists have been sharing that story as long as I have been on the forums.  The world Is not insane, many in our world are simple mindless low-conscious individuals who for the most part are trying to eke out a living because those assholes in charge intends for a slave labor class to man their personal wealth making industries.  Instead of whining about an imagined crackers world, imagine one that have millions upon millions of pre-occupied people who are faultlessly out of touch with the level of power that controls their world.  Go after the evil bastards and your world will right itself.

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By Michael Shaw, February 8, 2008 at 11:43 am Link to this comment

Yea! Maybe they’ll slip McCain a Mickey Finn and lead him to the edge of a stairwell! Either that or put him on a high-fat diet and remove his cardio-pharmaceutical regimen. It’s an interesting concept. Makes one wonder if that’s why Reagan got in there with Bush 1.

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By Michael Shaw, February 8, 2008 at 11:23 am Link to this comment

You know what’s interesting Expat is that no one seems to be talking much about Hillary and Obama over social security, health care and nuclear energy. Democracy Now had a great piece about that this morning. One reflection is that Obama’s leading economic advisors favor some form in privatizing social security (though we don’t know where Obama stands on that). This seems strange for a senator who had a more left of center voting pattern than Hillary did. It might also explain why Hillary picked up the bulk of the elder voters. Perhaps the AARP pointed this out. Also ironic is that Hillary advisors who also represent the so called center(really center right) actually(in certain circumstances)reach further to the left then do Obama’s. Of course we also know that all of their respective advisors were once in the Bill Clinton camp. Then of course there’s Brzezinski as Obama’s chief advisor, someone who admitted he initiated Russia’s Vietnam by sending CIA operatives into Afghanistan 6 month prior to the Soviet invasion. Will this guy end up as a cabinet member if Obama wins?

As for the nuclear issue, neither Hillary or Obama are very clear about that(Edwards was). Perhaps the reason is because both candidates are receiving campaign finance by members of the nuclear energy industry who are eyeing the promise in building new nuclear reactors in the state of Texas of all places. This is almost hilarious in the sense that pro “nucular” Bush might end up with another Chernobyl in his own back yard. Of course that said and sadly, we could all end up with one if we pursue this dangerous and economically inaffordable endeavor.

As for health care, Obama’s plan forces working people to accept some version of health care from their existing options, even if it is substandard or inaffordable. This plan is much like Mitt Romney’s was in Massachusetts. Hillary’s plan at least gives further options and subsidizes those who cannot afford it and allows those with pre-existing medical conditions to have affordable insurance. Obama’s plan doesn’t address these folks, the people in fact who are in the most need of it. Of course, either plan(which is practically identical)by either democratic candidate is better than their republican counterparts who like things the way they are. But their respective plans are second best to a universal-one payer plan as proposed by Dennis Kucinich, leaving us to settle for a better than nothing scenario.

As for all the other things you’ve mentioned, trashed rights, international standing etc. Don’t you believe that at least on a diplomatic level we would be in better shape with Hillary or Obama than the republicans? I see your points believe me…. like neither democratic candidate mentioning a rollback of unitary executive power or the restoration of the Bill of Rights! Very unsettling!

For me its come down to taking my chances to simply get rid of the neocons and pray we have some ear to either democrat once they’re elected. I think we must continue to pressure them to readdress these detrimental(and seemingly-intentionally avoided)issues and we shouldn’t take them off the hook until they do.

But we cannot forget who holds the bulk of the responsibility in getting us on this thorny road either. George W. Bush, his boss Dick Cheney and the republican majority in both houses.

Clearly the special interests are playing both sides of the isle and peddling their influence but frankly I’d rather take my chances with the democrats then to do nothing and allow another neocon like McCain to waltz back into the White House.

We’re in a major pickle, there is no doubt about it. But allowing the neocons to maintain control is as cutting off our noses to spite our faces. I’d rather have half a cheek sizzingly in the pan then my entire backside. At least that’s the way I see it. We cannot abandon all hope and expect things to change either.

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By Wolf Vorkian, February 8, 2008 at 11:23 am Link to this comment

I’m with Frank. After the the disaster of being lied into a war, rich made richer at the expense of the middle class and poor and on and on…. if gomerAmerica is so damn dumb to elect another GOP who wants a hundred year war and also a new one with Iran…screw this place, I’m leaving. At least half of the Americans in this country are too stupid to even tolerate. I’m actually more sick of the flock of fools who elect these pawns of the filthy rich than I am of the pawns.

So gomer, kiss where I can’t. Enjoy being always scared and used…. I’m sick of your kind. I’ve spent years living abroad, a guy doesn’t have to live in a fascist state unless he wants to… but if the TV couch and Disney World is the extent of your travels, you couldn’t possibly know this.

I’ve been wrong for years too. I used to think one of the great tragedies of the Vietnam war was Charlie pulling McNasty out of that lake and not letting him drown. But he really isn’t the problem as I’m learning, it is the US public.

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By Louise, February 8, 2008 at 10:43 am Link to this comment

When Rome was young and Christianity had not yet been invented. There were the Vestal Virgins.

Everyone wanted their daughter to be a Vestal Virgin, because they were the only ones allowed to be with the Gods. Parents felt a good word might be put in for them. As did the general populace, because these women had absolute power.

I don’t know if the Gods actually came to visit, but it’s said, through oracles and incense and other “holy” stuff the Virgins could talk to them. At least the folks at the bottom of the hill thought they could.

Over time, the folks at the bottom of the hill wanted a piece of the action, so a fellow was created who would be the direct link for everyone. He hadn’t been born yet, but it was taught, and generally believed that he would be ... any day now.

The complicated tale of who he was and where he would be born, took some time to develop, differs slightly from village to town and is far too long to put down here. But it can be summed up pretty simply. He was called Crist, or Cristes and would be born of a Virgin, because only the Vestal Virgins were pure enough to mother a child of a God.

The concept served to keep the folks melded together in a functioning society. Wars and looting and bringing home slaves, continued to provide what they needed and everyone was happy, or so I’ve been told.

I could jump over to the land of the Semites and tie this all together if I had room, but I don’t. But, we find examples of the god-man-child in almost all ancient civilizations. Probably the result of these societies fighting and trading back and forth.

Semites found him and attached his legend to their God, also an off-shoot from other civilizations. Eventually a band of Semites called Hebrew came to look for the birth of this child, only they called him Messiah.

Over time, the whole thing became very democratic. The god-man child was removed from the isolation of the Vestal Virgins and spread all around the Mediterranean into the Sinai Peninsula, Africa, Asia and through-out the Middle East.

As these society’s refined their own versions of the legend, wide-spread war and violence ensued, as each tried to force the other to accept their version. This was also true in the cities and tents of the Semites, whose kings and tribal elders each in turn used this God to maintain their power position.

Some society’s/regions abandoned the Crist/Christes/Christ philosophy opting instead for a single God/Prophet position. While others are still waiting for their Messiah. Which brings me to the “Israelis” and the Muslims.

In there own scriptures, we learn they are descendents of Abraham, later named [by God] Israel. Israel was promised his descendents would inherit the Earth. Enter Israel’s descendents, the Twelve Tribes of Israel and fast forward.

Given trade and travel and intermarriage and those “missing” tribes. If the story of Abraham is true, It’s safe to assume the “blood” of Israel is in all living mankind.

But the popular notion is that God was kidding when he promised the Earth to ALL the tribes of Israel and he really meant only the tribe of Judah.

Except in that group who opted for a single God/Prophet position, who believe he meant them. But those are two other stories.

And what’s all this got to do with the dems imploding anyway? Oh nothing, except it points out the Creationists may be right. I see no evidence that man in general has evolved beyond the level of belief in superstition, the worship of power and the fear of whoever takes the name of God in vain, the loudest.

In short:
The world hasn’t gone insane, it always has been.

Otherwise, John “Insane” McCain, and “God huckster” Huckabee wouldn’t be a viable option.

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By Shenonymous, February 8, 2008 at 10:34 am Link to this comment

I think in essence you and I agree.  Given that all of the people will not be conscious, it seems, then, that we should observe who are and put our energy into kindling their circumspection even further.  However, antagonism is not the path.  But to instill enlightenment in others one has to be enlightened oneself.  And hubris is a deterrent to self enlightenment.

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By b_mule, February 8, 2008 at 10:30 am Link to this comment

apparently the sexist divide is still alive and well… since more people are not comfortable with a woman as president.

“Is it possible the country is moving beyond the racial divide, with younger voters no longer trapped by the prejudices of the past?”

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By Expat, February 8, 2008 at 10:07 am Link to this comment

Typo previous comment

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By Expat, February 8, 2008 at 10:05 am Link to this comment

^ that’s precisely why I’m so pessimistic.  “We” aren’t going to wake up because there is no “we”.  There is only you and me so to speak.

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By Kathryn, February 8, 2008 at 10:02 am Link to this comment
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The soultion to end gobal warming, is to stop erotic sex, which heats up the bodies, which heats up the earth, which heats up the Creator’s Temper. Which causes Gobal Warming. This is the most economical and common sense way of dealing with this catastrophe. Wake up people sexual ungodliness will
detroy man’s soul.

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By Cosmick, February 8, 2008 at 9:59 am Link to this comment
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Moving beyond racial divide but what about the sexist divide?

Is it possible the country is moving beyond the racial divide, with younger voters no longer trapped by the prejudices of the past?

The question should ask “Is it ............., with younger(white)voters no longer trapped by the prejudices of the past? Yes, it appears that white voters are moving beyond the racial divide but what are the Africian American voters doing in this regard?
How many men are not voting for Hillary because she is a woman? Is that a divide?
Just curious.

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By dammit, February 8, 2008 at 9:56 am Link to this comment

The Clintons only worry about the next political fight.  They figure to offer Obama the #2 spot and that he’ll decline.  They expect the party will be united and McCain will be too scary.  There’s never been a reason to fear the left because they have nowhere else to go.

I can’t see McCain going for Huckabee.  He’s uncontrollable and candor is a risky attribute in a crazy person.

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By Shenonymous, February 8, 2008 at 9:50 am Link to this comment

A somewhat opaque comment.  Would you elucidate?

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By Shenonymous, February 8, 2008 at 9:46 am Link to this comment

Expat, I think this question needs redirected as it is exactly my question to Frostedflakes who makes the following statement to which I replied (please read my comment below at 11:06am “How you gonna do that?”:

(By Frostedflakes, February 8 at 11:00 am #
Re: You just gotta love it:
Once again you have hit the nail on the head. Everyone needs to simply wake up and face the true realities of what is occurring in this country.)

I would say it was impossible and pissing in the wind.  I would modify Lincoln’s advice: You can wake up some of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but never all of the people all of the time.

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By Expat, February 8, 2008 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

population

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By Expat, February 8, 2008 at 9:37 am Link to this comment

^ so what do you suggest?  Just how do we wake up a sleeping poulation.  Your answer will be one for the ages, for all before have failed.

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By dammit, February 8, 2008 at 9:26 am Link to this comment

The thing that has changed most since Bush was appointed is the standard for impeachment.

While Bush’s criminal behavior is being investigated, the Congress should be investigated for their unwillingness to do it years sooner.

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By Michael Shaw, February 8, 2008 at 9:20 am Link to this comment

First of all I think that one of the main things being overlooked by almost everyone was the voter turnout in the primaries. Democrats went out in huge numbers. They were 2-1 as compared to their republican counterparts. Secondly, I agree with the author that McCain and Huckabee will be the republican ticket. Huckabee is right, you can’t win a republican candidacy without the southern vote. Furthermore, the so called members of the conservative element in the republican party are not as big as some would think. If so then why was the combined vote to Romney and Huckabee dwarfted by McCain voters?

Now to the racism. I agree with the author again that things look hopeful. The fact Obama won a big percentage of the white man’s vote gives room for optimism. However, what about the white men who voted for Hillary combined with the votes that went to Huckabee, McCain and Romney? Also never forget what the republicans will do either. If we are turning away from racism, to win an election they will do all they can to bring it back.

Your last points about the democrats pulling together in diverse unity…absolutely and as far as I see it, a Hillary/Obama ticket would be the perfect way to seal the deal. If they do, then any republican combination, including the likely McCain/Huckabee ticket won’t stand a chance in hell.

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By Frostedflakes, February 8, 2008 at 9:09 am Link to this comment

“inappropriate workplace behavior”
Wow!! Now that’s something to be impeached for. What about illegal surveillance programs, condoning of torture, pre-emptive strikes on sovereign nations, outing clandestine operatives, etc., etc., etc…..

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By Shenonymous, February 8, 2008 at 9:06 am Link to this comment

Well, Frostedflakes, how are you going to wake up Everyone simply?  And what exactly do you see as the “true realities”?  Do you not think that is relative to each individual?  And do you not think that is the reason why you would never be able to wake up everyone and that your question is simply rhetorical?

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By Frostedflakes, February 8, 2008 at 9:00 am Link to this comment

Once again you have hit the nail on the head. Everyone needs to simply wake up and face the true realities of what is occurring in this country.

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By Expat, February 8, 2008 at 8:59 am Link to this comment

^ every so often Douglas comes up with some real zingers, but mostly he seems to be on drugs.  I don’t get it.

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By Frostedflakes, February 8, 2008 at 8:55 am Link to this comment

But it’s not going to be the way the vote goes. So the question is “Can you deal with it?”

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By Vash the Stampede, February 8, 2008 at 8:45 am Link to this comment
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Yes, it is easy to dismiss Huckabee’s view of creationism because he doesn’t believe in evolution - something totally different than the big bang you’re talking about. Apples and oranges because guess what…evolution is a fact and anybody who denies it doesn’t understand science and shouldn’t be president.

Also, it gives me hope that you say Obama is an atheist. I might have someone to vote for after all.

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By blueshift, February 8, 2008 at 8:33 am Link to this comment

Hillary will be clobbered by a McCain Huckabee 1-2 combination. Huckabee mitigates the conservatives’ anathema to McCain (a true independent, wouldn’t dance to the tunes at CPAC). And Hillary will turn out republican voters in force, to say nothing of guys like me who never want Bill Clinton to cross the threshold of the white house again, even as a guest. (And I voted for Clinton twice.)

I can live with McCain. The thought of Bill Clinton gives me the shivers.

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By jackpine savage, February 8, 2008 at 8:31 am Link to this comment

You might not have noticed this, but young, white Americans look up to and emulate black folks a great deal.

They also aren’t practicing ageism.  They don’t particularly like or respect vast swaths of the Boomer generation, but it has nothing to do with age and everything to do with actions.

Most young women feel that they have every opportunity to do whatever they want to do in life.

You don’t know many young people, do you Dougie?

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By a HUMAN BEING, February 8, 2008 at 8:04 am Link to this comment
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I’m always amazed at how you guys always want to blame the people for what has happened in America. We’ve been taken down a path, we didn’t choose this for each other, we’ve been guided down a path of destruction by the same coorporations and media outlets that trying to decide this election for us. We have little control and the minute we start assembling together under our own banner spells trouble for the “establishment” which then will do anything, even kill another to protect their illusion of power. Instead of blaming the people for not protecting ourselves stand behind the ONE person (OBAMA) who has come along to bring us together under one nation in the name of change and justice. But, you guys don’t want that. That only means you will have to give up “yourselves” for the greater good of helping the us all…and we all know how “hard” it is to give up our selfish desires to do for another. Run around with this yapping all you guys want, but if you want change then let’s get together under one name. OBAMA for PRESIDENT! Enough of these selfish politicians. OBAMA is not a politician, he is a LEADER. The funy thing is the ones who claim Obama is like the others are either in denial or evil themselves…

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By lilmamzer, February 8, 2008 at 7:34 am Link to this comment

Chalmers writes:

”...for the Democrats, the main isssue is sexism and possibly even ageism. They are fantasizing about a young colored male supposed migrant but they are so utterly veiling their sexism and ageism with politically-correct indulgences solely as regards color. Other minority ethnic groups can see right through all this….... “

WTF???

And with that post you move back into first place, just ahead of Cyrena.

LOL smile

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By lilmamzer, February 8, 2008 at 7:31 am Link to this comment

“Huckabee has travelled numerous times to Tel Aviv first class on El Al”

Hey, the man knows how to travel in style. I appreciate him for that. Don’t knock El Al first-class until you’ve tried it. Do you think you could get past the security check?
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“Thats what 300 million Americans want for their leaddership.”

And if that’s the way the vote goes, then it’s the peoples’ choice, and so be it. Can you deal with it?

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By lilmamzer, February 8, 2008 at 7:25 am Link to this comment

“They reduced Bill Clinton’s ability to handle our problems while they were sniping at him, impeaching him for oral sex. “

FYI, he was impeached for lying under oath, not for getting a blow job from an intern subordinate, on the job. Why should elitist leftists get a free pass on inappropriate workplace behavior? What’s “progressive” about that?

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By Douglas Chalmers, February 8, 2008 at 7:12 am Link to this comment

Is it possible the country is moving beyond the racial divide, with younger voters no longer trapped by the prejudices of the past?

Not really for some of the Republican voters and not for those who don’t bother to vote. But that belies the fact that, for the Democrats, the main isssue is sexism and possibly even ageism. They are fantasizing about a young colored male supposed migrant but they are so utterly veiling their sexism and ageism with politically-correct indulgences solely as regards color. Other minority ethnic groups can see right through all this…....

I know it is hard to forget McCain’s support of the surge in Iraq and his willingness to keep troops there for a century…

Bill Boyarsky is still harping on about the fantasy that the Democratic candidate should be able to get all of the US troops out of Iraq “on day one” of her/his presidency. Given the quandary of Israel’s untenable position and the USA’s unrealistic support of Israel, the recent developments in Iran might still really make that rather difficult.

What is more concerning, though, was McCain’s singing “Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran…” on stage, uhh. In some ways, he’s more like the utterly deranged but perceptively lucid Colonel Kurtz in Apocalypse Now.

 

Or to forget Huckabee’s view of amending the Constitution: “I believe it is a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God. And that’s what we need to do, is to amend the Constitution so that it fits God’s standards.”

Its too easy to dismiss Huckabee’s view of creationism but that is a subject which is being redefined by science now anyway. Since the big bang theory, science has accepted a “creation” of the Universe if not actually a “creator”. The sticking point is that orthodox Abrahamic religions have still not accepted the concept of an evolutionary cycle on Earth. 

But a “Constitution… that… fits God’s standards…” is something that aethiests like Barack Obama are aghast at simply because, in his legalistic view, “Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount…” is derisorily seen as “...a passage that is so radical that it is doubtful whether our own Defense Department would survive its application” !!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPUe6T8RVXs

Of course, the real issue is whether Huckabee is also willing to embrace “the crucible of the sword” delusions of glory and the “I don’t oppose all wars” ideology that Obama does. With McCain as a compatriot on the Republican ticket, though, he might not have much choice.

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By omop, February 8, 2008 at 6:39 am Link to this comment

Not so bizarre considering that McCain is committed to a hundred years of war to protect Israel and Huckabee has travelled numerous times to Tel Aviv first class on El Al and in hotels.

Thats what 300 million Americans want for their leaddership. A war hawk and a neocon in Baptist clothing to face off against Ahmedjinad’s Iran; Musharraf’s Pakistan and Putin’s stand in.

An auspicious year of the Rat.

Its time to rerun that “wazzup” commercial.

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By Ron, February 8, 2008 at 6:36 am Link to this comment
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The end IS coming and homosexuality IS as an abomintation. Didn’t you get the memo from James Dobson?

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By Ron, February 8, 2008 at 6:32 am Link to this comment
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“If you want to see ugliness, go back to 1968 and 1972 when the Vietnam War tore the Democratic Party apart.”

That’s the problem, we live in a mindless society with airhead mentalities, a generation of illiterates who can’t read without moving their lips, who can quote the Bible even though they’ve never read it (“I know it’s in there somewhere!”) They have never heard that “those who don’t learn from their history are destined to repeat it.”

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By Expat, February 8, 2008 at 6:31 am Link to this comment

^ it is us!

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By Ron, February 8, 2008 at 6:23 am Link to this comment
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Your mouth to God’s ear.

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By Ron, February 8, 2008 at 6:10 am Link to this comment
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Wait a minute! Are we electing a president or a pope? We are thisclose to a theocracy. Somebody do something!

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By Ron, February 8, 2008 at 6:01 am Link to this comment
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Worry not! With the support of that notorious bigot, homophobe, and antichrist candidate James Dobson, I think we can just sit back and watch Huckabee self-destruct. America has had enough of the fanatical right wing who gave us Bush and Cheney. Watch for it!

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By Shenonymous, February 8, 2008 at 5:55 am Link to this comment

Contrary to what some think, it might just be a good thing for Democrats if Huckabee were the running mate of John McCain.  While he represents the religious right, that radical sect has been publicly put on the pulpit low these many past months and we all know his stripes.  Our litany will match or outmatch his.  By “our” I mean the ordinary electorate and those who represent them.  Huckabee’s affectation and disingenuousness has been vetted completely and the extreme religious support him.  This country is not a one-religion country.  And we know that religion ought not to be the basis of our national government.  We have seen where that has already led us.  Down the path of pandering and self-serving insanity.  It won’t be God that saves us, it will be your vote.  As McCain’s running mate, the ticket looks paltry.  Take heart, it might be an easier election than at first might be thought.

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By Expat, February 8, 2008 at 5:44 am Link to this comment

^ The;
Geneva Convention; trashed.
UN authority; trashed.  (U.S. ignores completely)
Constitution; trashed.
Human rights; trashed.
Economy; trashed (that’s a book buy itself).
Bill of Rights; trashed.
Individual rights; trashed.
Congress of the U.S.; trashed.
America’s standing in the world; trashed.
America’s non-military power in the world (honest broker diplomacy); trashed.
Health care; trashed.
Education; trashed.
Privacy; trashed.
Crimes committed; 935 lies (and counting), treason, war crimes, torture, theft, forgery, violation of the Constitution (multiple), violation of International Laws, pre-emptive strike on a sovereign nation (probably another war crime) and on and on and on.  Not being a lawyer, I’m sure I missed some and was redundant on others.

And here we are; worrying about which republican candidate and who’s his running mate and the coming democratic brawl and I mean down and dirty brawl (coming soon); I mean, come on get a grip!  I think we all need to step back…take a deep breath….and do a serious reality check.  Look at it after you take away the emotion.  We are obviously not “we”.  Somewhere in the not so distant past “we” lost the sense of unity as we fractured into our little self concerned groups of self interest.  There is no sense of the common good.  Did “we” ever really have that sense (I don’t know, I think not)?  Just another illusion.  This coming election will not solve anything.  This total lack of awareness is surely the most obvious evidence of the final throws of a dying republic/democracy.  This election is all pomp and circumstance, nothing more.  At this point we either see it for what is or go back to sleep.  I am one of little faith.

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By hettie, February 8, 2008 at 4:26 am Link to this comment
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I think Hillary is smart enough not to trash the Democrats’ chances. Unfortunately, Obama and his backers are not. They are the most ruthless bunch since Reagan and his kitchen cabinet. If he wins the nomination, I will not vote for him, even though he says I will.

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By pointus, February 8, 2008 at 2:47 am Link to this comment

Proud of your PTSD? Of your head injuries? Of being sent to fight and die for a bunch of chicken-hawk trust-fund brats in a corporate-driven occupation (designed to steal the natural resources) of a sovereign nation?

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By G.Anderson, February 8, 2008 at 12:33 am Link to this comment

We would have President Huckabee.

If I were paranoid, I would think this is actually the plan.

It’s really quite perfect, because Huckabee couldn’t win, but Mc Cain could. People would think they we’re voting for a moderate. And no one would think that health issues are strange in a man of Mc Cains age.

So get ready for President Huckabee, our first baptist minister president.

The conservatives really dislike Mc Cain anyway, but Huckabee could be much more to their liking. He does after all want to get rid of the IRS.

And soon there may be only one place to get money, and they want to keep that from happening.

What was the movie, the Hand maiden’s tale or something like that?

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By Maani, February 7, 2008 at 10:53 pm Link to this comment

JS:

Relax.  If a McCain-Huckabee ticket were to form, it may well bring out some of the religious right (which is actually quite fractionalized right now, and would not come out in the numbers they did for Bush).  But the flip side of this coin is that it would ALSO bring out the majority of the nation for whom the possibility of a quasi-theocracy - or even an attempt at it - is so scary that they will try to vote twice for the Democratic ticket, no matter who it is.

Peace.

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By BobZ, February 7, 2008 at 9:46 pm Link to this comment

The Republican’s would have a strong ticket with McCain/Huckabee, but once the debates start, it would become painfully obvious that a Republican ticket taking the White House would be disastrous for the country. Iraq is draining our military and our treasury. The Republican deficits have made the dollar a third world currency. We are now in our second recession in seven years under Republican’s, and McCain/Huckabee would appoint even more conservatives to the Supreme Court and attempt to undo Roe vs. Wade. McCain would start the saber rattling soon after taking office, and the middle east would become even more unstable. Oil would hit 150.00 a gallon, and we would have a worldwide economic collapse. It might be time to start thinking about moving to Canada or Europe if McCain wins. Ok, that is the nightmare. What will prevent that from happening is the overwelming number of Democrats who have gone to the polls to vote and have contributed to either Obama or Clinton. That will turn the tide against the Republican’s. America is fed up with the Republican’s and 2008 could turn in to a landslide for Democrats. We have the numbers this time, and it won’t come down to either Ohio or Florida.

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By BobZ, February 7, 2008 at 9:43 pm Link to this comment

The Republican’s would have a strong ticket with McCain/Huckabee, but once the debates start, it would become painfully obvious that a Republican ticket taking the White House would be disastrous for the country. Iraq is draining our military and our treasury. The Republican deficits have made the dollar a third world currency. We are now in our second recession in seven years under Republican’s, and McCain/Huckabee would appoint even more conservatives to the Supreme Court and attempt to undo Roe vs. Wade. McCain would start the saber rattling soon after taking office, and the middle east would become even more unstable. Oil would hit 150.00 a gallon, and we would have a worldwide economic collapse. It might be time to start thinking about moving to Canada or Europe if McCain wins.

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By ocjim, February 7, 2008 at 9:40 pm Link to this comment

Bill Boyarsky is speaking of a Clinton-Obama ticket. That sounds unlikely, especially with Bill Clinton backing up Hillary and seemingly already antagonistic toward Obama.

Boyarsky is right about the McCain-Huckabee ticket being deadly toward a healing nation or even McCain alone.

Unfortunately Boyarsky is only speaking of electability for Clinton-Obama. He fails to mention the vindictive nature of neo-conservatives toward the Clintons. Many neocons would rather destroy our country than work with the Clintons. They reduced Bill Clinton’s ability to handle our problems while they were sniping at him, impeaching him for oral sex.

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By waxman, February 7, 2008 at 9:39 pm Link to this comment

IF YOUR SONS ARE LIKE YOU FRANK, A LITTLE MILITARY SERVICE MIGHT BE HELPFUL…SERVE AND BE PROUD..

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By Frank Cajon, February 7, 2008 at 9:01 pm Link to this comment

Well, if you haven’t already, send your kids to Canada and tell your gay friends to get back in the closet, because McCain/Huck is coming. One a borderline-demented fossil who will start two more war fronts and make Iraq the 51st state, the other an ordained true believer who thinks the earth was created in six days, homosexuality is a moral abomination, and the End of Days is upon us. Neither equipped to deal with the reality of a bankrupt nation drained of its wealth, dignity, and freedom by the fascist Bush/Cheney Reich. A match made in hell, they are the ideal GOP ticket. Meanwhile on the Jackass front, the ‘Bitch is Back’ should be the theme tune as the inexorable flow of superdelegates back roomed to Billary have doomed the Opposition again. Millions pour from grass-roots donors to Obama, and it will make no difference. This is the party that always manages to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and the deal is done. The Jackasses who call the shots want a third term for Perjurer Bill and if they lose yet another election (see 2004), oh, well. Watching the party tear itself apart would be amusing if I didn’t have two sons of draft age. I hate to see America turn into a third-world country after another eight years, but if it is the will of the idiot populace, so be it. Remember, the last time there was an election, WE ELECTED BUSH AND CHENEY. Maybe we deserve these kind of fools for leaders. I will vote against them, and once they are in, I will be one of the voices of dissent-the kind that we have not had enough of during the Bush/Cheney Reich.

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By waxman, February 7, 2008 at 8:44 pm Link to this comment

LOOK FOR .....MCCAIN/ RUDY VS CLINTON/RICHARDSON   RESULTS CLINTON 58% MCCAIN 42%  NOW JUST GO HIDE AND WATCH….

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By KYJUrisDoctor, February 7, 2008 at 7:36 pm Link to this comment
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GREAT speech by John McCain.

http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2008/02/john-mccain-addresses-cpac-speech-that.html#links

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By jackpine savage, February 7, 2008 at 6:45 pm Link to this comment

It is not only the likely Republican combination, it is an extremely dangerous Republican combination.  Huck will not only bring the religious right, but he’ll do a good job of swaying independents.  He could be dangerous in states like Wisconsin, Michigan, and Ohio.  Moreover, when he isn’t talking about God and guns, he sounds like a Democrat.

Obama would need a strong running mate to counter that combination.  And as much as i’m no Al Gore fan, Gore would probably be his best option.

Clinton probably doesn’t stand a chance against that combination.  I don’t buy that the religious right will go out of their way to vote against her; many, i believe would just stay home if its Clinton/McCain.  But with Huckabee one breath away from the presidency, they’d have good reason to get out the vote.

In the latter scenario, Democrats win the coasts and may lose two out of three in WI, MI, and OH.  FL could go either way.  A Democrat cannot win without three of four in PA, MI, OH, FL.

Democrats laugh at Huckabee, but they laughed at W too.

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