Some Explosive News: Gagged Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds Says Corrupt US Officials Sold Nuclear Secrets to Middle Eastern Countries:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larisa-alexandrovna/sibel-edmonds-speaks_b_80077.html

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5518

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3137695.ece

- Tom

Marjorie,

You cynicism is totally wasted on me, because the bottom line in all of this, is that you’re accusing me of the same emotionalism that you’ve displayed here.

I never said Obama was my darling, nor was he my personal first choice. In reality, Kucinich was, because he too, has been against this war from the very git-go. I have no problems with Edwards either, and I admire him for the fact that he HAS come around.

So save your sarcasm. All you’ve done is prove the very thing that the most malicious among the crowd of chaos lovers, (like driving bear) have put out there, which is that the democrats will attack each other, in the name of their own selfish ideology.

Never in a million years, have I suggested that racism is dead. It’s only pretty damn amazing that Obama even got this far.

So save it Marg, because most of the time, you actually come across as reasonably balanced and mostly objective. All you’re doing these days is whining like a kindergartener, with that same old, “how come he gets to do that and I don’t” when it’s all ‘perceived’ on your part any way.

I mean really, you’ve got the guy (Obama) ‘conspiring’ with the likes of Nancy Pelosi, which is simply a blatant smear. Get yourself together.

And yes, for that part of it…SHAME ON YOU!!

He may be another lie down candidate like Gore or Kerry.  And, he has to go against very powerful racist lies and smears.  Isn’t it time to play the electoral game (of course), but also to take to the streets with signs every day?  Remember the little Chinese guy against the tank?

By Stephen Smoliar, January 5 at 8:24 am #

You are correct Stephen. And to my shame, no excuse except I need to quit working all night, I knew it when I typed it. Your clarification
does indeed reinforce my point!

Thanks for picking that little nit!

By the way, I love your web-site!

Nice quote…

Louise, just to pick a nit, it was not electoral votes at stake in the caucus.  It was delegates;  and, unlike electoral votes, delegates are not committed on a winner-take-all basis.  According to the AP report on Yahoo! News, regardless of the percentage rankings, Obama left Iowa with 16 delgates, Hillary with 15, and Edwards with 14.  The next sentence is more interesting, though, because it lets you know how many horses have already been traded before the caucus even began:  “Overall, Clinton leads with 175 delegates, including superdelegates, followed by Obama with 75 and Edwards with 46.”  This is what ultimately reinforces your point:  The difference of a couple of delegates in Iowa is not going to have much impact on the grand scheme of things, whose machinery, for the most part, has been judiciously concealed from us (and most of the electorate).

Maybe you need some sleep Marjorie, or maybe I do. Because I really don’t understand your rage at cyrena.

So Edwards didn’t win the piddling few electoral votes from Iowa. So what. The fact is the result is hardly worth the cost and trouble.

In fact, if the major media that totally controls this silly process didn’t make placing in Iowa’s Horse Race a requirement to get on their next debate, NONE of the candidates would even bother with it!

Apologies to Iowa, but that is a fact! [The candidates wont admit it, but that IS a fact]

At least Edwards didn’t allow the results to force him to cave in and quit!  Which would have been silly indeed, because who knows? Maybe he’ll win the next run for the money! Or the next! And none of it matters anyway, except it does force a lot of candidates out, given the enormous amount of money running the circuit costs.

The National primaries, and the Democratic Convention will ultimately choose the candidate. All this media frenzy does is winnow the field and mislead the voters!

My goodness Cyrena how dare I be upset that the cult of personality has won the first in a long line of races to the finish line in November. How dare I be angry that the person I supported, John Edwards was marginalized, mostly ignored, and now simply counted out. I personally set out to piss you off by not being amongst the adoring crowds at Obama’s feet.

Am I glad that an African American could win in a mostly white state? Damn right I am. Do I think it means that racism is dead in America? Fraid not.

Sorry if it pisses you off that I think it patently unfair that media cries foul whatever Hillary does and gives Obama a free pass most of the time. Edwards, mostly ignored as usual.

You, dear lady, are entitled to your opinions. But much as it may piss you off, so are the rest of us. I too get annoyed when people don’t think the same way as I do and agree with me. How can they be do dumb as not to see my visions my way.

So you go right ahead and be pissed off at those of us who are not jumping for joy over the Obamarama. We don’t like him. We don’t think he is what is needed for this country. And we, unlike some, don’t like this damn hero-worshipping cult of personality that infests our political system.

So shame on me for daring to inflict my thoughts and feelings on you.  I will try to live with having pissed you off and I’ll still say and think what I believe and try to withstand your wrath.

OK, now that we’ve all had time to recover from the shock of Huckabee wins, lets sit back and take a look at what Black Box Voting has been doing ...

*******

“And, as the Republicans said they would, they routed their results through the Associated Press or the handful of guys that replaced VNS, now called NEP.

So the web site conveniently crashes showing nothing and now the networks are announcing the winners with only 40% of the vote in.

The hand counting process for the CSPAN Republican caucus is poorly controlled. Not enough witnesses and a disorganized layout, people sticking piles on the floor, or huddling over them with their backs to the camera.
They also shooed the public out. The cameras were there but were not capturing the ballot faces in most cases.”

*******

“To their slight credit, the DEMS appear to be providing not only some form of raw precinct data, but performing the calculations and the tallying-for-reporting right on each visitor’s workstation, with relatively easily decodable software, allowing anyone who wants to, to view not only the software doing the tallying but also the data.

Of course, I’m not aware of there being anything with which to substantiate the raw data which is being tabulated.} “

*******

“I literally laughed out loud at the magic show the Republicans are putting on.

“We will be very transparent and report in live time on our Web site.”

“Well not the details, precincts will come after the totals are announced ” (think about this folks: You can’t GET the totals without the precinct results. They’re doing it out of order)

And then:

“Oh gee the web site isn’t posting any results after all”

And then:

“Hello we are the networks and with 40% in we are projecting [note subtle misuse of language]
“Huckabee won Iowa”

http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/71119.html?1199425776

So, why would anybody want to rig the vote in Huckabee’s favor? [If indeed that is what happened, and if you read the above link all the way through, you will begin to wonder if that isn’t exactly what happened!]

Well, here’s a couple of possible reasons:
THE CHURCH OF HUCK - GROWING GOV’T. IN THE NAME OF RELIGION
http://www.newswithviews.com/Duke/selwyn79.htm

“While Huck will say what you want to hear to win office, he will not hear what you want to say once there. He will make tone-deaf Bush seem like a maestro. How do I know this?”
“He believes.”

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20080104.html

“When Ron Paul was asked about Mike Huckabee’s overt usage of a cross for a campaign advertisement, he quoted Sinclair Lewis as saying, “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross.”

“Have you wondered why Mike Huckabee is suddenly getting so much favorable attention from the mainstream media (who themselves are controlled by this gaggle of global elite)? To find the answer as to why a professing pro-life, conservative Christian would suddenly become the darling of the media, look no further than the fact that just a couple of months ago, Mr. Huckabee appeared before the globalist-minded Council on Foreign Relations.”

Read his speech here: http://www.cfr.org/publication/14335/ 
And when he did, it became abundantly clear that Huckabee was a man globalists could trust.”

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We never saw Bush kiss Huckabee, but did we ever believe Bush was really the decider ... really?

Give me all your money and I will make you rich.  The money will just trickle down.  Does anyone detect the smell of cheap cologne?

Bush may be the first president to take a powder.

God, I hate Republicans (and Democrats) so.

Yes, we can tell. But don’t beat yourself up. You have a perfect right to be really pissed:)

“... to SNATCH DEFEAT FROM THE JAWS OF VICTORY!!!”

Who do we blame for the lame brains who make policy decisions for those damn dems? [Does that question make any sense?]

The ECHO CHAMBER that’s who [what] which would be them, bouncing off of each other!

I heard a great comment/question yesterday ... sorry I cant credit the original quote ... “How can anyone who’s worked for a corporation be a republican?”

So maybe we need to ask the question, how can anyone smart enough to NOT be a republican, not be a bit nonplussed by the behavior of the dems this past year?

Which has nothing to do with the article at hand, or does it?

Corporate America, main-stream media and politicians in general all feel their heart beat from DC.

Unfortunately that’s where the seat of federal government is. That’s where the media and corporate elites and the obscenely wealthy and the politicians bump [rub] up against each other. That’s where they party. That’s where they seek advice. And for most of the time, that’s where they live. Of course they have NO IDEA what’s going on in the rest of the world, the world of the struggle and feeling and sometimes pain, where most of us live.

Know what irks me?

When those dems get up to point out a wrong, they always preface it with, “My good friend on the other side of the aisle.” Well, if some SOB repub has just signed, or wants to sign away another bit of our democracy, they shouldn’t be a good friend!

When some repub on the floor, either floor, lies [and they do all the time] if a dem stands up to protest, he is quickly silenced by the rule that says they cant call a member of the chamber a liar ... even if he/she is!

Cowards and wimps. That is what they have become! Controlled by rules more fixated on some dumb decorum than serving we the people! Dumb and out of touch. Detached from the rest of us. As detached as if they were simply a picture on a TV screen, unable to see who’s watching.

Oh! I guess that is exactly what they are ... duh.

I suspect since Nancy has become Speaker, she spends more time worrying about her physical appearance than any appearance of duplicity. Sad. There is no way I can even begin to express my deep, deep disappointment in her leadership. I had such high hopes!

Maybe that’s the real appeal of Obama. Maybe he is new enough to the DC scene that he conveys a sense of the possibility of real change. Maybe the rest of the candidates just don’t get it ... with the obvious exception of Dennis Kucinich and Bill Richardson.

Of course the rest of the candidates don’t get it. Even now, Hillary is polishing her attack Barrack machine, ‘cause that’s the way it is. They think that’s what we want to see, ‘cause that’s what they hear bouncing back and forth in their echo chamber. Eugene’s right,  “People in Washington really should get out more.” 

Hitting the campaign trail doesn’t count, because they bring their DC baggage with them!

And even out there on the campaign trail, they don’t get it. They do a quick study of the “issues” identified by the media for a given area, hit town, press flesh, say the rehearsed spill and move on to the next town. Sometimes you get the feeling the two groups ... candidates and voters ... are talking AT each other, not TOO each other.

I think [hope] Obama gets “it”. And while I rarely watch Oprah, the one thing that has been apparent when I have, is she listens. She actually listens to people, so I think she has a pretty good handle on what the rest of the country is going through. For that reason, her endorsement of Obama means a lot. So, while I may not be celebrating, after all this is only the first step, I am heartened by the fact that Hillary didn’t make the top cut!

Well actually that may be reason to celebrate;)

You make it sound so simple, quaint, even.
  We all know how Clinton is the biggest recepient of corporate financing, and consequentially has obligations to those interests—but who is letting the folks know about Obama being right up there on the list with her? You want to tell us how in the sam hill he can seriously propose to change any of those issues Iowans—and all Americans, care about when he is beholden to the same exact interests that Bush describes as his base?
  Obama the pop culture icon, with his happy talk of change is limited by the same restraints that fund his ability to finace his campaign with his vapid high speech about unity with those who own him. His obligations to his corporate funders prevents him from actually stating anything of substance.

  Why don’t you tell it like it is for once and quit reinforcing the lie that lets the people out there think they rally for change when it is just another corporate funded propaganda pitch? Well, I guess you are owned too.

“You have forgotten the editors. They draw their salaries for the policy they maintain. Their policy is to print nothing that is a vital menace to the established. The press of the United States? It is a parasitic growth that battens on the capitalist class. Its function is to serve the established by moulding public opinion, and right well it serves it.”
Hoa binh

cyrena, I agree with Robinson’s conclusion.  However, I used my own blog to pick some bones with his argument:

http://therehearsalstudio.blogspot.com/2008/01/of-by-and-for-what-people.html

My own bottom line is that THE WASHINGTON POST is as much of an echo chamber as that “Washington state of mind” (and, of course, the Internet, where we happen to be exchanging our views, is probably the biggest echo chamber of all)!

that pays more attention to loyalty and discretion than to vision or success. And, this insular mentality may be because they’re a federal
District and not a State. 

It seems that following the Revolutionary War when the federal government was seated in Philadelphia, the soldiers who had fought stormed the headquarters demanding their pay.  The besieged asked the Governor of the state to send in the state militia to protect them and he refused.  So, DC was created where the President etc. have the entire American military to protect them from - us.

Is Mr. Robinson asking for all of Washington to Grovel to the suckers..er a voters?
Does Mr. Robinson think for a minute after the election Washington wants to know of American’s misery and pain?
Yes the shame of the elected to face the voters and grovel is price one must pay to get the glorious trappings of Washington.
14 seconds after the election and a good shower we are to be put in our place and Washington with K street backing will be business as usual.
I would remind Mr. Robinson that Fairy Tales always start “With Once Upon a Time”.

Thanks troublesum, for mentioning this about this god-damned WAR!!

Because, while we bicker and dicker about how sincere or insincere Obama may or may not be, NOBODY ELSE has done a fucking thing about it for over 5 years!!

Yes, Kucinich has tried. Cynthia Mckinney did as well. From the beginning. Along with Obama. How many of them survived?

Nearly 4 years ago, our kids turned out in unprecedented numbers, to vote for Kerry and Edwards. What happened? They got swift-boated, and that’s it. Nothing more.

And the kids keep dying…if not there, then when they come home. And they beg for care, and none is there. And Washington ignores them all. And so does everybody else.

And then, when one of the few finally makes his way up, despite the odds, because he’s promised to pay attention, and promised it back a while ago, like BEFORE they started waring and dying, we pick on him as well.

So, THIS is what they mean when they say that Democrats can be counted on, to SNATCH DEFEAT FROM THE JAWS OF VICTORY!!!

Yep, all you have to do is look at the comments on the site that posts the very beginning ‘victory’ for the dems, in the overwhelming unprecedented turnout and victory for the PARTY, and for the AMERICAN PEOPLE, in the selection of Barack Obama, as he represents some hope for a chance to get our country back.

Anybody ‘celebrating’? Nope. They’re just bitching because they think it should have been Edwards instead. Nevermind that this is ONE state, and the hopeful beginning finally, for some sort of UNITY, that will allow us to actually DO something about this Cabal that has brought us to ruin. Nope, nevermind any of that. We’d rather bicker and piss and moan among ourselves.

And we wonder how and why these gangsters have been able to do what they’ve done, for all of this time. So THIS is why we the dems, can be guaranteed to lose every fucking time, and it’s why the epitome of evil can just sit back and laugh in our faces, and watch us self-destruct…every single time.

War? What war? The media tells us that we don’t care about that so much anymore, because ‘domestic’ issues overshadow it now. And, if the MSM tells us that, then of course, that’s what we’re supposed to believe. We’re supposed to just ‘accept’ that the god-damned WAR, is somehow ‘different’ from ‘domestic issues’. And yep, we’re too stupid to understand that they are the same, and that these WARS, are dictating our ‘domestic issues’.

Can anybody tell that I’m really pissed? How can any one group (or even one individual) continue to shoot themselves in the same foot, over and over and over again?

By jackpine savage, January 4 at 6:36 am #

Well said;
But then you get to know a woman who has NASCAR stickers on her automobile and lives in a double wide on the edge of 1000’s of acres of forest who says, “I can’t believe someone hasn’t shot Bush yet.” And the tone in her voice suggests a sort of longing for the object of her disbelief.

Yeah, sounds like a good woman.  Keep her!

After being raised, educated, and cultured in a large American city in a well-read family i spent six years living, studying, and working across both oceans.  I was always “American”, but i’ve visited more countries than states.  When i came back, i ended up in what has been called the “cultural and evolutionary culd-de-sac of America”; sort of the end of the earth if you will where pick-up trucks and hunter’s safety orange will never go out of fashion.

I’ve been surprised, over and over again.  I didn’t know the real America until i came here.  And the real America is a far cry from the op-ed pages of the major dailies.

I cannot tell a lie, i’ve never been overly impressed with America.  I have always believed in our ideals, but i never saw reality as even coming close to them.  I was wrong, at least partially.  It is unfortunate that “Washington” gets portrayed as America to the point that even Americans believe it.

But then you get to know a woman who has NASCAR stickers on her automobile and lives in a double wide on the edge of 1000’s of acres of forest who says, “I can’t believe someone hasn’t shot Bush yet.”  And the tone in her voice suggests a sort of longing for the object of her disbelief.

To Washington, these folks are tools to get elected and/or opinions to be informed.  But the results of Iowa suggest that these folks might want to be heard.  Look out Washington, the chances are good that you won’t like what they have to say.  But Washington would do will to listen, because out here, people are fed up.  They may not agree with each other on a lot of things, but they are coming to a consensus that they’re fed up with the royal plural bouncing around your echo chamber.

Now you’ve done it!  Outside the Echo Chamber?  Yeah dog!  You got it!  LOL.  They’re caught in the whirlpool of their inbred, circular thinking.  But, we are the ones who don’t get it.  We are the impotent lemmings languishing at their feet waiting for their blessings.  Pelosi et al, go about “their” safe agendas ignoring their constituencies and deeming what is good for us at our peril.  The insider elite will guide and help us to accept the blade thrust into our hearts and we will be thankful as our lives bleed into the dirt to disappear.  Fuck this shit!

Robinson notes that the term “Washington” can apply to not just federal government officials, but also to all the “lobbyists, advocates, bureaucrats, scholars, journalists and all the rest trapped in the Washington echo chamber.”

He points out the disconnect between the American people and “Washington.” He is right.

Add to this the data from the recent Scripps Howard News Service/Ohio University survey that found a significant majority of Americans distrust aspects of the federal government (federal officials) in very significant ways.

Americans distrust the “Washington” that Robinson describes.

More on the Scripps Howard News Service/Ohio University survey in the article ...

“Survey shows majority of Americans suspect cover-ups, distrust federal government” (December 21, 2007)

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=46800

Will they finally get the message now that people want out of this god-damned war?  Are they so isolated in Washington they won’t even hear that?  Even Huckabee ran against Bush’s foreign policy and won.

Mr. Robinson,

This is an excellent piece, because it points to something crucial…the Washington ‘state-of-mind’. BECAUSE, judging by the many comments on other threads since the outcome of the Iowa selection, it would appear that there are many people existing in this “Washington state-of-mind’ even if they don’t live in Washington, DC.

That disconnect is far more prevalent than just DC. Oh yeah. There are currently many people across the nation who are simply beside themselves. They can’t believe this!!! They were so sure that an ‘all white’ bunch of corn and pig tenders couldn’t possibly have done this. (at least that’s the way they see it). Apparently, that’s just how totally isolated we’ve all become from each other, and from a reality largely created by the Cabal’s media.

So, the ‘sophisticated’ among us, (or those who think we are) do all of our analysis, and think we know so much, because we predict and project based on what WE want it to be, as if it’s only about ‘us’. Those others can’t POSSIBLY know anything about anything.

And we talk about how these candidates had better come up with something more than ‘change’ as their platform. They better give us some specific details, (so we can go back later of course, and accuse them of ‘flip-flopping’).

Well, looks like that ‘change’ message was good enough for the everyday folks of Iowa. And, after the past 7 years, why WOULDN’T it be? Why do we give our fellow citizens so little credit, for being or wanting anything different than the rest of us?

This is a common problem for that DC mentality, which exists in too many other places. I think it stems from the ‘me’ era. Some of us have managed to survive it, (knowing how dependent we are on each other) and others remain isolated, even if only in their own minds.

So, congrats to the folks of Iowa, for getting it right. (or at least partially right – they didn’t have much to work with on the Repuglican side).