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Musharraf Still StandsPosted on Jan 1, 2008By Amy Goodman Benazir Bhutto and her supporters who died with her during the suicide attack Dec. 27 are the latest victims of decades of dangerous U.S. support for Pakistan’s military regime. The country’s dictator, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, has held his grip on power despite increasing popular unrest. The Bush administration got nervous, turning to Bhutto to preserve the status quo in Pakistan. There is no doubt the exiled former prime minister was personally brave to return to her country. But Pakistani professor Pervez Hoodbhoy was critical nevertheless: “After returning to Pakistan, she made clear that for a few table scraps, she would have happily teamed up with Musharraf under the hopelessly absurd U.S. plan to give the military government a civilian face.” While President Bush imposed “regime change” on Iraq, based on fictitious weapons of mass destruction, “regime preservation” is the U.S. policy for Pakistan, despite its role in global nuclear proliferation, the sale of true WMDs. Adrian Levy is a senior staff correspondent for the British newspaper The Guardian and co-author of “Deception: Pakistan, the United States and the Secret Trade in Nuclear Weapons.” He describes a “military government repressing human rights, connected tentatively to 9/11, state-sponsored terrorism with radical connections to al-Qaida that was proliferating WMD and of course that was not Iraq, it was Pakistan.” He told me: “The problem facing the Bush administration was their policy post-9/11 was very much to embrace Pakistan as an essential ally in the war on terror in order to allow the narrative over Iraq and the WMD in Iraq to rise. The Pakistanis milked their nuclear program for hard cash, selling to Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Libya, the Axis of Evil powers. We also know there is intelligence to show that they began negotiations very much with Saudi Arabia, Syria and, of course, there are tentative contacts with al-Qaida elements as well.” The New York Times revealed last week that at least $5 billion in U.S. aid delivered to Pakistan since 9/11 to fight al-Qaida and the Taliban actually went into weapons systems against another U.S. ally, India. The more nuclear weapons Pakistan has, the more the U.S. has a vested interest in protecting them. As The Washington Post reported last week, even before the Bhutto assassination U.S. Special Forces were planning a vastly increased presence in Pakistan in 2008, “to train and support indigenous counterinsurgency forces and clandestine counterterrorism units.” The Glasgow Herald now reports that U.S. Special Forces “snatch squads” are in Pakistan, prepared to secure the nuclear warheads in the event of the government’s collapse. What Pakistani author Tariq Ali told me recently about Afghanistan equally applies to Pakistan: “The people of Afghanistan ... do not like being occupied by foreign powers. They didn’t like being occupied by the Russians, and they don’t like being occupied by the United States and the NATO armies in their country. And as long as this foreign occupation lasts, there will be forms of resistance against it.” The CIA coined the term blowback. It applies to situations like Afghanistan in the 1970s and ‘80s when the U.S. armed and trained the mujahedeen, including Osama bin Laden, to counter the Soviet occupation. When the Soviets were finally forced out, the mujahedeen set their sights on a new target: the U.S. That’s blowback. While the Bush administration pushes for quick elections in Pakistan, it is important to raise these issues in our elections here at home. The assassination of Bhutto put foreign policy back on the front burner in the U.S. presidential race—though you would think that 2007 being the deadliest year yet in Iraq for U.S. soldiers (at least 900 dead) would have accomplished that. The candidates could use this as a “teachable moment” to talk about the wrongheaded long-term U.S. support—Republican and Democrat—for Pakistan’s corrupt, human-rights-abusing nuclear regime. Did any of the leading Democratic contenders use the moment to demonstrate that they represent a true opposition party? While they each tout themselves as true “change” agents, they have yet to prove it. We are waiting. Amy Goodman is the host of “Democracy Now!,” a daily international TV/radio news hour airing on 650 stations in North America. © 2008 Amy Goodman Distributed by King Features Syndicate TAGS:
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By NeoCynic, January 10, 2008 at 1:56 pm #
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Yet in spite of all of these machinations, truth has a terrible way of interfering with the plans of mice and men, ...and women. The woman Rice lured to return to Pakistan to save the day for George Bush and his idea of Freedom’n'Democracy is now dead, possibly murdered with the silent instigation of Rice’s rivals in the Defence Department, and by the Pentagon’s undoubted Man of the Moment, Musharaff. She is now far more useful to everyone in death than ever in life.
Bhutto was never as popular as her own press releases alleged. Indeed, local polling put her rival, Nazwar Sharif, ahead. Revelations concerning the much vilified amnesty, which legalised grand larceny upon some of the poorest people in the world, knocked down her numbers, and fatally destroyed any legitimacy she might have otherwise held. Furthermore, suspicions concerning both her collusion in an American-brokered deal with Mushraraff, and her ultimate loyalty in Bush’s silly “War on Terror”, alienated much of her base. She would have lost the election, if and when it would ever had been held.
Ms. Rice has failed in her mad experiment to revive this Pakistani Frankenstein to decorate the already politically dead corpse of the Musharaff regime. She failed with 911, she failed with the Iraq War, and now, most dangerously, she has failed in Pakistan.
Report thisBy NeoCynic, January 10, 2008 at 1:54 pm #
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Dr. Condoleeza Rice, once a limp academic and present Bush sycophant, after suffering personal ignominy and public ridicule for her strangely dyslexic command of her portfolios, took over the reigns of the State Department. She disappointed no one with a repeat perfomance of utterly ineffectual stewartship, her chief accomplishment being little else but the accumulation of frequent flyer points. And so in watching the time run out in this her last stint in the vainglorious sunshine of power and celebrity, where shopping for shoes or scolding a clerk made her more headlines than her foreign policy, she seized a last chance for redemption and gratitiude from her host ego, George Bush, by thinking up a way to put a smiley face over the glowering scowl of Musharaff, in the vain hope that the hopelessly naive, i.e. the people of Pakistan, would fall in love with its perfect makeup, its perfect hair and its oh so western love for conspicuous consumption. That face was Benazir Bhutto.
Therefore, as only the truly empowered and enrich can do, with nary a care or concern for principles, or victims, Condoleeza Rice began to play house with real people, a Paris Hilton on steroids. In collusion with Negroponte, her chaperon, and Gordon Brown, her footman, the plot was hatched: foist a corrupt and reliable figurehead upon a gullible electorate, get it voted in by hook or crook, ensure it abides by any marching orders emanating from DC, and keep it happy like a Digimon Pet with regular feeding and affection until we can can all flee the jurisdiction this January, 2009 with our amnesties, pardons and most importantly, our contracts intact.
Yet alas, this 54-year-old smiley face came with wrinkles, and to be rude, specifically $1.5 billion-dollar wrinkles, tucked away in various Swiss bank accounts, chiefly embezzled from the horrendously impoverished people of Pakistan. Let no one dare doubt the plaintive professions of love for her people, the regular declamations of the evil of Musharaff, the tireless tirades against the terrorist Taliban, versus the nice Taliban of yesteryear she supported when last in power, all voiced in that perfectly cadenced politician’s cant, bred by the best bastions of olde English imperialism: Oxford AND Cambridge. Nothing could keep her back from running to Her People in Their Time of Need. But what money don’t buy, she don’t need. Hence, the awkward need for an amnesty from a compliant judiciary. For Condy, it would just not do to have Benazhir’s trademark glasses and many flounces of fabric flying over who gets the top bunk with an Islamabad hooker in a Pakistani correctional facility (“The people of Pakistan demand I get it!”). Enter Musharaff.
From Vietnam, through Iran to Iraq unto Pakistan: as every deposed US-backed dictator in the history of the post-WW II world would ruefully report, once that proverbial American ace in the back pocket is withdrawn, you may as well pack your bags and start googling all countries with air conditioning and no extradiction treaties. Musharaff knows as well as any corporate shyster how to do “the Google”, but he would much rather stay at home than absquatulate to a foreign jurisdiction. Hence, “one amnesty coming right up, Ms. Rice.” Presto, the National Reconciliation Ordinance, shoved through an obeisant legislature and soon to be ratified by a “new and improved” Pakistani Supreme Court. And in keeping with the spirit of the matter, Musharaff expanded the amnesty to cover not just the “innocent” Bhutto, but heavens to betsy, everyone everywhere who at anytime embezzled funds from the people of Pakistan, the vast majority being former members of his military.
Report thisBy NeoCynic, January 10, 2008 at 1:51 pm #
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Bhutto had no business being in Pakistan but for Rice. Rare indeed does a government policy end in so spectacular a failure as having the bloody brains blown out of a former and potentially future head of state before millions of onlookers. It was in the name of the State Department’s “Freedom and Democracy” agenda that Rice first conceived of the purely cosmetic notion of having the telegenic and politically pliable Bhutto pose as the duly elected spokesmodel, for what was to remain a brutal, military tyranny directed by the US to root out, torture, and exterminate every deemed pro-Taliban/Al-Queda lifeform in Pakistan from lizard up. Even in an Administration infamous for using plausible gullibility to exonerate its members from personal responsibility and guilt for catastrophic failures, surely this last, in a long, long line, of world historical blunders should compel that rarest of occasions in the Bush White House, a resignation for failure. Rice has got to go.
Report thisAs one looks back on the unremitting gross blunders of this White House, the offical media narrative designed to minimize personal liability has always featured the supposed rivalry between the Pentagon and State for control of America’s agenda abroad. The subvertion of the State Department by Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, and their neocon cohorts in the Pentagon with respect to the prosecution and management of America’s ridiculous “War on Terror” and the fraudulent Iraq War is well documented. The horrendous fiascoes, and more importantly, the personal embarassment, which resulted led to the political necessity of re-establishing some semblance of authority and control to formulate and implement foreign policy at State. Thus, the Department was butressed with the appointment of a man with undoubted gravitas and authority, and with a long record of dirty deeds for further credibility, to work beside Condoleeza Rice, namely John Negroponte.
In contradistinction to the Pentagon’s eternal reply to, what LBJ onced complained of, was for every foreign policy conundrum, specifically “Bomb! Bomb! Bomb!”, and its blind faith in Musharaff and the Pakistan military to keep things in order, Rice’s State Department appeared to be the only entity on the face of the planet to take seriously the Bush alibi and mantra of “Freedom and Democracy”. And no where was America’s insistence that all of the blood spilt and money spent was done for “Freedom and Democracy” more utterly exposed for the ugly truth of its detestable hypocrisy than in Pakistan. In cruel contrast to all of the sanctimonious talk of reversing America’s traditional support of the most vicious of tinpot dictators and their tyrannical regimes with Bush’s Born Again inspiration for freedom-lovin’ people all around the world, oft-quoted to justify our recent relish for criminality, there stood the spectre of our active support for General Pervez Musharaff, our “most important ally in America’s War on Terror”, with his guns and ammo, tanks and torturers, who toppled a civillian government legally elected in a peaceful and ordered way by a nation of 170,000,000 people. Yet, even he was aware of the bad optics of it all. Thus, he claimed, he promised, he decried, he re-promised, he swore, he warned, he guaranteed, he apologized, he excused, and for over 8 years, he sat on top. But at the end of the day, when he had played all of his cards, with an American ace in his back pocket, he was still in danger of being trumped by his enemies, and far worse than any fantastical Taliban or mythical Al-Queda conspiracy, stood his greatest enemy: the people of Pakistan. Thus, he suspended, he declared, he abolished, he imprisoned, and in the end, he assassinated. And with that ace still in his pocket, he continues to sit on top.
By Douglas Chalmers, January 6, 2008 at 7:12 pm #
On 2 November Bhutto said…
By gerd berliner, January 4: ”… Omar Sheikh, the man who murdered Osama Bin Laden”...”
Just been told that the other man mentioned, the “Afghan warlord”, is Baitullah Mehsud although he is said to be based in Waziristan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baitullah_Mehsud
But, BB also mentioned “the Pakistan Taleban IN Islamabad”.... and “a group IN Karachi”..... nice place, uhh.
Report thisBy Douglas Chalmers, January 4, 2008 at 1:14 pm #
By gerd berliner, January 4: “On 2 November Bhutto said in a BBC interview with David Frost : “… Omar Sheikh, the man who murdered Osama Bin Laden”. Strangely, David Frost did not react at all to this remark…..... BBC censored Bhutto’s remark…”
Yes, thanks for that, gerd berliner. That’s very interesting and says something about the sleazy Brirish government who run a corrupt arms dealership (BAE) for S.Arabia and have stumbled over themselves in their parliament in desperately back-peddling over a bribery scandal involving Saudi sheikhs last year.
Now, there must be some imperative to shut up about OBL’s non-existence. That underlines what BB said in that interview that she could stop terrorism if she was elected. What does that mean? Simply that no longer having a f%#kwit boys’ club president (Mushie) would mean that such games would no longer be played.
What people in Britain and in Europe did’t seem to realize, though, was that protecting BB and helping her to get elected would have solved most if not all of their own terrorist problems, uhh. Instead, playing along with the Neocons from the USA for perceived reasons will mean that those problems will now never be resolved.
By the way, I also commented on this interview at What ‘Good Time Charlie’ Brought http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080101_what_good _time_charlie_brought/ at “Hamsa Bin Laden, Omar Sheikh…” By Missy, January 3. In passing, do kindly shed a tear for Benazir Bhutto and her brave supporters who died with her… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl-Rzma9RLQ&feature =related
Report thisBy pastor agnostic, January 4, 2008 at 12:30 pm #
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all the points made by ms. goodman fall on the shoulders of Condi and the decisions she either made or helped make.
I still cannot understand why people think she is talented. Diplomacy and foreign policy is not a pre-teen’s ice skating rink, fer cripes sake.
Report thisBy gerd berliner, January 4, 2008 at 11:54 am #
On 2 November Bhutto said in a BBC interview with David Frost : “... Omar Sheikh, the man who murdered Osama Bin Laden”. Strangely, David Frost did not react at all to this remark.
The fragment can be seen here (watch at 2:00) : http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=f1uLdmct8_E
BBC censored Bhutto’s remark (watch at approx. 5:00):
Report thishttp://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7070000/newsid _7075800/7075843.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&asb=1&news=1&a mp;ms3=54&ms_javascript=true&bbcws=2
By Lynn Segal, January 3, 2008 at 9:43 pm #
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correction: Question mark following this-
“And why would Bush/Musharraf want to take out a corrupt leader, just because it didnt matter if she was corrupt, since she was threatening the country with democratic ideals for reformation, and that was more important?”
In other words, Bhutto, even though she was corrupt and therefore worthy of US support, was encouraging too much democratic reform, so she presented a threat to this US proxy regime and had to be eliminated. Handily, the more corrupt Musharraf was there and competing for power with her so it made it easy to use him to assassinate her. She was even revealing of this before the eventuality, and it helped point the finger away from the US, for those of us who didn’t know better. Since the US could appear clean, conducting the assassination through the Pakistan Military intelligence and Musharraf was efficacious. If she was not a woman, this would have been more difficult, since the US public’s eye is focussed on a US woman presidential candidate and has been trained through propaganda that Muslim women are oppressed. Whether the oppression is true or not is irrelevant because it serves well as a distraction from the real agenda of strategic foreign policy and US hegemony. In any case, this places the US in a less likely position to be implicated. So it becomes easier to divert the investigation to Scotland Yard as opposed to the UN.
This falls in line with our appeasement relations with the Taliban, to hold enough control of the country to protect our gateway interests in India and the Far East and line up the appropriate allies to have the upper hand for the new war of Armegeddon in Jerusalem. As long as we continue our policies of arming both sides in any conflict, we have much more apparent control of our chosen outcomes.
That is my feable assessment of the situation. Now I have to listen again to the story from David Barsamian from his recent trip to Pakistan from this am on KGNU at 8:30.
I do think Musharraf is out of there. He’s just playing to much of both sides. So we’ll position some more compliant proxy—maybe a woman that’s not so into democratic reform. Like Hilary Clinton after she loses Iowa tonight. But that’s going to be tough because Pakistan is a raucous place these days with it’s own idea of who’s the terrorist.
Report thisBy balamitzna, January 3, 2008 at 2:44 pm #
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a ggod example of blowback is 9/11
Report thisdemocracy and peace comes with a price so anywhere that educated freedom loving people are coming together to form a uprise against the current state of affairs there will be turmoil and violence created by the elite feel the need to retain power by anymeans necessary .oppression is clear and vivid in pakistan mostly because the american foreign policy needs it to retain so called “balance” over a nuclear country. its tru to say that the wmd were not in iraq but in pakistan. and that pakistan has been the most dangerous place in the world since the beginning of the iraq war.the assasination bhutto along with the purchase of those war planes should signify a job well done gift of gratitude by the us to musharraf for keeping his people on check. and to believe the nerve of that clown to sit there and pretend he is the guardian of democracy in his country….? american interest played a big part on bhuttos murder and american people must realize and empower themselves to change the world as well as the present state of our democratic country. bhutto and her populist party was manipulated by cia operatives and used as a ploid to destabilize the country and its fragile democracy. pakistani people are not going to allow one more round of colonial rule they have tastes freedom and want it more than ever even if it is under a muslim state of affairs.
By peace, January 3, 2008 at 1:41 pm #
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are you blind? what books or blogs do you read to come to that illustrative conclusion that lacks any foundation at all. your pakistani leader is a dictator who will do whatever it takes to stay in power and the only one that are actually ruling the country are clerics, jihadist, and military cabals with strong ties to the cia
Report thisget it right
By peace, January 3, 2008 at 1:32 pm #
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you can bomb the world to pieces but you cant bomb the world to peace.
Report thisnarrow minded ideologies turn you into a blind fool!
By paece, January 3, 2008 at 1:26 pm #
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she went back to pakistan because she felt it was the right conditions for a populist uprise but instead ended up being taken advantage of and used as a ploid to further destabilize the country and the region in order to stablish a reason for the continued oppression
Report thisBy Karen Green, January 3, 2008 at 1:08 pm #
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I too am disappointed that Bill Richardson has not received the attention he deserves in Amy’s article as well as in the MSM. He is the only candidate whom I really trust.
Report thisBy Alan, January 3, 2008 at 10:47 am #
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This claim: “The New York Times revealed last week that at least $5 billion in U.S. aid delivered to Pakistan since 9/11 to fight al-Qaida and the Taliban actually went into weapons systems against another U.S. ally, India.” is utterly false. The NYT revealed no such thing. Please read and understand news stories before you cite them—thanks.
Report thisBy Nasir Khan, January 3, 2008 at 7:58 am #
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Here is an example of a “multi-cultural, polyglot India next door” to a “Violent, misogynistic, totalitarian in nature, and Jihadist ” Pakistan:
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20071228/NEWS02/83 2052108/-1/headlines
Report thisBy lynn segal, January 3, 2008 at 6:26 am #
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jaki, khokar
Well this is kind of a confusing mess. Benazir wasn’t such a saint, so why were the students and lawyers rioting for her return? And why would Bush/Musharraf want to take out a corrupt leader, just because it didn’t matter if she was corrupt, since she was “threatening” the country with democratic ideals for reformation, and that was more important. I mean usually the PNAC supports corruption.
Khokar—I agree it’s a rhetorical lexicon, the war on terror. Its my terror vs. your terror.
Jaki—No, I’m not an apologist for women’s rights abuses, that is why I support a noninterventional political solution as the quickest route to the lifting of their restrictions.
Report thisBy jeff97005, January 3, 2008 at 3:17 am #
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Yes, I know that space is limited, leaders are leading, and odds are long.
Still, how could you not note that Bill Richardson is the exception among the candidates on maintaining anti - democratic support for Musharraf since Ms. Bhutto’s assassination?
And why not note it, especially this week prior to Iowa and New Hampshire?
I appreciate your perspective often. Thus I’m disappointed this time. Thanks.
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By Jaki, January 2 at 7:13 pm #
“On the day after her assasination, Amy Goodman interviewed Tariq Ali, Pakistani scholar/author/activist.”
I also listened to that interview; there was also another Pakistani in that interview, but I can’t remember his name. They both mentioned “proven corruption” on the part of her (Bhutto) and her husband/Mr. Ten precent.
I have included a link from Asia Times (an excellent publication) as a follow-up to Amy Goodmans interview. This is no time for being PC, it is a time to ferret out the truth as best we can. We are not always pleased by the facts as we learn them, but without them we can not hope to change for the better.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/JA03Df01.html
Report thisBy Dan, January 3, 2008 at 1:13 am #
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“There are indications that the assassination of Benazir Bhutto was anticipated by US officials:
‘It has been known for months that the Bush-Cheney administration and its allies have been maneuvering to strengthen their political control of Pakistan, paving the way for the expansion and deepening of the war on terrorism across the region.
Various American destabilization plans, known for months by officials and analysts, proposed the toppling of Pakistan’s military…
The assassination of Bhutto appears to have been anticipated. There were even reports of chatter among US officials about the possible assassinations of either Pervez Musharraf or Benazir Bhutto, well before the actual attempts took place.’”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=view Article&code=20071230&articleId=7705
“Those who thought Ms. Bhutto the agent of democracy and progress, because she was young and a woman and told them in fluent English exactly what they wanted to hear, should know that she, like every other woman who has risen to power in the region, including a prime minister of India, two in Bangladesh, and now two in Sri Lanka—inherited dynasties founded by powerful men. The (murderous) “Good Queen Bess” did not rise to the throne in 1558 on a wave of democracy and feminism in late mediaeval England. She rose as the daughter of the (murderous) Henry VIII. It is the failure to grasp such simple facts that makes so much western journalism ridiculous.”
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/columnists/stor y.html?id=42d0728d-4fbe-44b8-85bb-bf2e207ed265
Report thisBy Jaki, January 3, 2008 at 12:13 am #
Well, Lynn, although I heard you, I didn’t quite understand why one would not applaud efforts being made to help women and girls in specific countries, including those initiated and/or supported by Musharraf, or anyone else for that matter, if in fact they are true.
I realize it is a WORLD issue, being a left/progressive feminist for over 40 years, but pray tell exactly WHO IS taking care of this global problem NOW, while they are suffering? And who is speaking globally for the women oppressed by Islamic fundamentalists? Who? And what are they doing? Doesn’t seem like a dead issue to me.
Now about Benezir Bhutto, as you asked. On the day after her assasination, Amy Goodman interviewed Tariq
Ali, Pakistani scholar/author/activist. I took a few notes, though not nearly enough to give you a complete answer. According to Ali, Bhutto was elected to be Prime Minister some time after her father was hanged by the military junta that took over. She was ineffective, hemmed in by and capitulating to the military/political forces around her that kept her from keeping any of the promises she made to the people. She was elected again and that time she became corrupt, accumulating (with her husband) a fortune of over $1 billion through corrupt means.
Her mother, who was head of the Pakistan People’s Party—PPP) wanted Benezir to appoint her brother to a political position somewhere in Pakistan, but Benezir’s husband did not like him. He (Benezir’s brother) was shot dead in front of his house (with his hands in the air, surrendering) by Pakistani Police. It is suspected that Benezir either ordered the hit or knew about it ahead of time. She then deposed her own mother as head of the PPP and appointed HERSELF as head FOR LIFE. According to Ali, she was, in many ways autocratic and somewhat messianic (my word), plus (according to some) driven to “right things” and/or avenge her father’s death. The fact that she bequeathed her position as head of the PPP to her 19 year old son (upon her death) would certainly suggest an anti-democratic dynasty being continued. Isn’t the PPP capable of electing it’s own leader?
Also according to Tariq Ali, the Bush Regime (including W, John Negroponti, and Condoleeza Rice)
is primarily responsible for her death. They pressured her to return to Pakistan, told her she would be protected, even though it was a totally wrong time and situation for her to return, and she wasn’t protected at all. She also made unjudicious remarks in public about being the “enemy of terrorists,” and was reckless in the face of danger, setting up her own murder in many ways. A martyr?
Perhaps a better place in history than getting elected and being ineffective, which she, according to many, surely would have been, given current conditions.
The reference at the end of DN! for more information
Report thiswas: http://www.juancolesinformedcomment.com (I hope I got that right, but you could go to DemocracyNow.org to be sure.
By A Khokar, January 2, 2008 at 11:36 pm #
Amy Goodman says: The Pakistanis milked their nuclear program for hard cash… ???
Points to ponder:
*Why it is so that Nuclear Arsenals are a vice in others hands and a source of comfort and security in US or Western hands?
*And why Pakistan should not involve in some deals with its customers and only West can indulge in; not only free smuggling n sale of nukes but also sale of its fuels as well as plants and technology to its clients?
*Is not that right to say that Taliban are fighting the same war as George Washington (a Great US President) was once fighting so vigorously, his War of Freedom against British occupation while British had declared him Terrorist?
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Nelson Mandela was awarded Nobel Peace prize for his continuous act of Terrorism against Apartheid Government of the time; who had awarded him 27 years of prison?
*When Taliban will be awarded with an honour like George Washington or His eminence Nelson Mandela?
Report thisBy A Khokar, January 2, 2008 at 10:45 pm #
Pages of print media are full of allegation against George W Bush for his stubborn approach; especially toward US Foreign policies in Middle East. But just try to go beyond this and dig deep. You will find that you are ignoring the very personality of George W Bush and may come to a conclusion that whether it is George W Bush or any other would be President among from the Democrats that we will be soon coming across; their persona may not be the matter of our contention at all. It is a specific assemblage of people formed in a shape of force behind these figures which is at work and keeps them pushing and they as a puppet actors remain on their toes all the times. This force is called the force of American Adventurism which is the prime motive behind all the deep seeded policies and American mind set that US wants to secure a US hegemony in the world. This phenomenon of American Adventurism has become a main source of our fierce contention which aims at creation of anarchy and mayhem in the world; because American Adventurism thrives on it. It has become a matter of strife in day to day debates; for any one of us, who cares for humanity and its well being on this planet Earth. We do find that Conservative as well as Democrats aspirant; all are in agreement in pursuing this common dream of US hegemonic aspiration in the world. They both agree on pushing these policies of American Adventurism forward unequivocally.
Report thisI hope Amy Goodman will be kind enough to throw some light on it.
By QuyTran, January 2, 2008 at 10:04 pm #
Why not ? Because GWB still stands.
Report thisBy The Religion Of Peace, January 2, 2008 at 9:10 pm #
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that it’s an ISLAMIC country.
Violent, misogynistic, totalitarian in nature, and Jihadist.
Compare with multi-cultural, polyglot India next door.
Report thisBy A Khokar, January 2, 2008 at 9:04 pm #
I must add; please don’take Pakistan for a ride.
Know your friends and stay there to help them also; because no body runs for ever.
Report thisBy A Khokar, January 2, 2008 at 8:56 pm #
A seasoned and respected journalist like Amy Goodman must not present the twisted facts and call Musharraf a ‘dictator’. It is worth recalling that; when he was the Army chief; his aeroplane was hijacked by the prime minister Nawaz Sharif in the air to depose him. Musharraf was able to regain his command while in the air. He dismantled the prime minister and had taken over the country in good faith to restore the order in the country as well as save the country and its Armed Forces from disintegration including the countrys vital nuclear assets falling in wrong hands.
He has proved that he is a man with a vision. He decided to give a programme to his countrymen with an earnest endeavour to educate them; train them and make them ready to embrace a true democracy required for country. He is a patriot son and has lived by his words. He has done a lot for the country and also achieved a lot including free vibrant economy and creating a free and responsible media. He is handing over the rein to the civilian country fellow through proper democratic elections.
Even in the fields of war against terror; which was not his choice he has done a tremendous job! The unfortunate event of 9/11 had forced him to accept US terms but even then he has lived to his words against all the odds till today.
Lets dig the truth of matter (only)because it is a Truthdig forum; and let the credit go to right deserving person. If things are not working and falling in place on Afghan front; they way US wants; its US hard luck. Only Musharraf may not be maligned for it.
Report thisIs this not enough for US that Pakistan made is possible that today US can call it self; a Proud Sole Super Power of the World... and even today under the dire precarious circumstances that Pakistan is going through; Pakistan has enabled US to make their head way in Afghanistan and consolidate his mega bases in Iraq. Please count your blessings and stay thank full at least.
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By Douglas Chalmers, January 2, 2008 at 5:57 pm #
...two evils?
By driving bear, January 1: “the general is the lesser of two evils…. support Musharraf or allow the country to fall into the hands of the Taliban…. Musharraf may be a SOB but he is our SOB…”
That then makes THREE evils, driving bear.
Pakistan has already virtually “fall(en) into the hands of the Taliban”. You don’t know who’s who in the armed forces there anymore, uhh - but you’re about to find out real soon.
Report thisBy Lynn Segal, January 2, 2008 at 5:49 pm #
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Don’t even go there Jaki!
Because you are getting sucked in to the black hole of deceit, that the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) propaganda is luring you with.
Women’s rights in the WORLD is the debate that needs to be argued outside the arena of opportunistic US foreign policy full spectrum dominence as exhibited in Pakistan.
That is it for that worn out subject.
Now, what I am curious about is the details and validity thereof, of the corruption charges against Benazir Bhutto? Any takers?
Lynn
Report thisBy Jaki, January 2, 2008 at 4:36 pm #
Thank you heavyrunner for the reminder that we cannot believe what we read/hear/see in the CORPORATE press.
Amy…If what heavyrunner says is possibly true, why don’t you have this kind of information about Pakistan & Musharraf on Democracy Now!? I mean about the girls’ schools, the secular and scientific curriculum, family planning, and what would happen if Musharraf is replaced by a Fundamentalist Muslim Regime? I believe you care about such things.
We know our administration is corrupt, so we presume that whatever they support is also corrupt and, therefore, should be replaced; but is that always correct?
The stranglehold that misogynistic, patriarchal, brutal (as in stoning women to death), extremist, religious zealots have in the Muslim world is not just about terrorism against America. It is a battle for women’s rights (and lives) in those countries, against their own oppressors. Enlightened countries and people will help them become liberated, as requested. Women and children of these countries have been suffering, and crying out, for a very long time.
While Musharraf, as driving bear, characterizes, may be an autocratic “SOB,” he is also seen in that country (compared to many other options), and in this country and others, by some, as a “moderate” who wants to move out of the dark ages and provide education, and other services, for those previously denied such “privileges.”
Personally, I find military dictators who have been put in place by our imperialist dictators (US Gov) to be anathema in general to the building of civil societies that are democratic. Evolution, however, is a slow process, one little step at a time forward, 17 backwards.
If Musharraf is making LEAPS forward for women and girls in that country, in terms of education and opportunity, I say Hooray for him.
Hopefully there will be other candidates with the same agenda and less corruption, but the situation in Pakistan is pretty precarious and a big change may blow the whole country wide open for the extremists, with bloodbaths in the streets, and who knows who might end up in power (with their finger on The Switch).
Of course, on the other hand, this would give the United States another golden opportunity for the war profiteers, when we send in troops (with expensive guns and other equipment) to quell the riots and make a “regime change” that suits us. We will probably get to test a whole bunch of new lethal weapons there, too. The next generation of depleted uranium?
And the War Machine rolls on.
Report thisBy QuyTran, January 2, 2008 at 3:26 pm #
Yes, why NOT ?
Report thisBy heavyrunner, January 2, 2008 at 3:02 pm #
We read in the corporate press all the time about how Musharaf is losing popularity in Pakistan.
I spent a month in the tribal areas of Pakistan last summer. Most of my friends there are secular Moslems and seek higher education for their children. They support Musharaf because he funds schools for girls and supports secular curricula that teach scientific explanations of natural phenomena like earthquakes and teach the necessity of family planning and the importance of small families.
Because of those positions Musharaf is facing increased opposition from fundamentalists and conservatives who want to maintain a society where only one woman in three can even write her name and where women are kept almost like farm animals.
While nearly everyone I talked to liked Musharaf and his reforms, they are probably not the average Pakistani. I got the impression that Musharaf’s party might not come out victorious in a democratic election, that elections may well bring into power people who support the staus quo as far as women’s rights and secular curricula are concerned.
While democratic rule is important, in some circumstances it can bring about reactionary change that is undesirable.
Report thisBy FrostedFlakes, January 2, 2008 at 12:37 pm #
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The general is not the lesser of two evils. Evil is evil. What it really expresses is what level of evil does this country represent, and if anyone has been alive for the last seven years, in particular, you can plainly see that we now represent international terror. The politics of capitulation through destruction is as bad as it gets and that is the doctrine of ALL of those currently in this administration, as well as Congress, including the democrats. It is time for a renewed America, and it begins with us. Viva la revolucion!!!!!
Report thisBy driving bear, January 2, 2008 at 4:26 am #
the general is the lesser of two evils. The USA has two options support Musharraf or allow the country to fall into the hands of the Taliban. Musharraf may be a SOB but he is our SOB
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