Now the president is walking around telling everyone he was provided with faulty intelligence. Yeah, well, DNA is a bitch.

durst forgot to mention neil and jeb.

GW - Except in a way, water is already privatized with all the bottled water being bought!  I agree about the FCC thing.  I’ve been watching the public hearings.  Common folks ought to sue the hell out of them.  Keep them tied up in the courts for years.  Yes, the Bushites lie, etc.  They always did and had all their accomplices all the way to the Supreme Court.  That is why it is imperative the Republicans do not win the next election.  A change on the Supreme Court will be our only salvation.  I still disagree with you on the Alex Jones oddball.  Follow his proof and you will find it also deceptive and misrepresents.  His videos are overly melodramatic.  An inauspicious sign .  Show biz stars and the high powered don’t mean truth.  Charlie Sheen is hardly of the intelligentsia.  He is an extremist no doubt about it, with the Koresh thing and all.  Can’t be beguiled by demagoguery of any kind.  Either on the Repub side or ours!

Cyrena,
Il mio rifugio è il vostro rifugio (My shelter is your shelter)!  No deposit needed.

Now this (bomb shelter, or tornado/storm cellar as I am wont to call it) is made of solid concrete, and it looks like a midget Quonset hut but I bet it could be decorated really neatly into a great wine cellar.  I could hang out there indefinitely.  Do we have need of an abolitionist underground railroad? Uh, y’all can jes use m’house.  It’s bigger.

#120594 by Shenonymous
Sheynonymous,
Thank you so much for this historical perspective. (I may be even more appreciative of others, just so you know). It adds some extra grit to something else I’m putting together.

Meantime, I’m somehow really relieved to hear about this. (your shelter).
•  And yes, I actually do have a bomb shelter on my property, in the middle of North Texas where not in 10,000 years would a bomb be dropped for who in hell would care who lived here?  Only hayseeds here like the poor bird in your siren.
Maybe nobody would ever consider dropping a bomb there, but that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t come in extremely handy for other things. I was thinking something on the order of the old abolitionist movement, if things keep going like they are. I mean, it’s a thought, and not an idle one, that I might need an escape route. (which is why I initially felt a bit better moving back to a coast). Still, you know it’s always best to have options.
So, can you just sort of keep it available for me? I can put down a deposit or whatever. It would have to be camouflaged though. So, give it some thought, and see what you think. Let me know.

Google video, Alex Jones TerrorStorm was made over a year ago, June 23, 2006 is the google date. Jones a zealous self-styled journalist with an Austin Talk Radio show, fired from KJFK-FM because of his fanatical viewpoints, refer to wikipedia biography.  Jones strikes me as a fringe character with a very big ax to grind.  I am not neither sympathetic nor unsympathetic with his diatribes taking a very skeptical view of all his claims.  Just as I am skeptic of all of GWB and Cheney’s claims.  One has to be careful of

Dr. Knowitall, a little hyperbolic I’d say (Shenonymous, the number I have seen is 333,666,363,633,663,030,606,336 people slaughtered by Islamist Terrorists.  Oops, there goes another one.).  Can’t we be serious, a little, I know, I’m usually the one with levity, but there is so much lying going on that I thought for once maybe, just maybe some semblance of the truth (I know, what’s that?) something authentic, whatever, would give us some sense of the magnitude of our bearings.  Yes of course it is the classic struggle between good and evil.  Our leaders are just as evil as the other.  I don’t care for an exact number, I’d also like to know how many we have killed, just to put things into a quantitative perspective since it is numbers that often speak quantum amounts.  Although I am not a religious person in the least, I have in my past studied biblical accounts, and in the Abrahamic tradition the shepherd class defeated the Philistines.  A similar story can be found in the Greek legend of Nestor and Ereuthalion, which only goes to show how cross cultural legends are and how cultural adoption takes place.  It is not important that either story is true; it is the dynamic of the disenfranchised overcoming the tyrants.  The story of colonial America is one of those stories.  The French Revolution is another as is the Italian wars for independence and the Greeks had their internecine wars as well.  England suffered such wars and almost every dominated people in history have too.  Asia has their war histories.  So the point is information is valuable to the ignorant.

And yes, I actually do have a bomb shelter on my property, in the middle of North Texas where not in 10,000 years would a bomb be dropped for who in hell would care who lived here?  Only hayseeds here like the poor bird in your siren.

Shenonymous, the number I have seen is 333,666,363,633,663,030,606,336 people slaughtered by Islamist Terrorists.  Oops, there goes another one.

One good thing is that, at least, when the religious extremists in the US commit “murderous deeds,” it’s in the name of the Lord and therefore, a goddamned good thing.  BTW, I don’t think counting numbers of people murdered by the US is important, since we own the moral imperative and are good and they are evil.  It’s the classic struggle between good and evil.  Who would ever think that people in third world countries who cover themselves with hair and cloth and live in huts or caves could ever be up to anything good.  They’re way too strange.

I rely on Bush and congress to keep me protected and I think they’re doing a wonderful job.  I just wish they’d get the Mexicans.

BTW, did you or your family have a bomb shelter?  We didn’t.  I’m lucky I’m here.  My parents would have felt real bad if the atheist Russians had bombed our back yard back in the 50’s.  Those people were really evil.  What we did have, almost right in our back yard was an air-raid siren.  They’d do practice runs every once in a while.  Then one day a bird got stuck in it—or a nest or something—and it sounded really bad and foreboding.  If I were going to manufacture air-raid sirens, I’d make them sound just like that one, ‘cause you sure as hell would run the other way when it went off.  But I digress.

The important thing to remember, I think is, Islamist Terrorists, that number above; American Terrorists, doesn’t matter.

Maybe I can find it out here?  Recently I was having a conversation with a friend and the question was asked, just how many people have been killed by the Islamist terrorists?  I began an Internet search and found that no one, not anyone, even estimates this number, even when searching all the various daily “normal” newspapers.  It strikes me as very odd that we are waging a horrid world war and spending trillions of dollars to find these terrorists you would think somebody has even an estimate of their murderous deeds?

Yes “I DO”, it’s under my toilet seat !

But how’s about almost 500 U.S. nuclear missiles installed in Europe and huge Israel’s nuclear stocpiles ?

Right on Thomas Billis!

Why is our Democratic Congress so powerless and spineless?

It’s all about the oil folks, by hook or by crook. Until the hydrogen fuel cell types become BIGGER money than the big-money oil types, we are doomed to the oil wars. Hence, Iran is in the cross-hairs, not North Korea.

Well said, Mr. Billis.  This is not the first time the nation has launched itself down a course of action like this.  At the time that Americans were hearing about a missile gap between us and the Soviets, the facts were that the USSR had only four ICBM’s that were kept in the open and too far from the launch pad to be effective.

To support the garrison state that we have become requires periodic injections of fear.  And since the public is never allowed to see the intelligence, we are always left with interpretations.

In this case, i believe that the CIA has turned on the administration…since they got the blame for Iraqi WMD’s dumped in their lap.  Then again, we might ask ourselves how many time the CIA has gotten it right.  They didn’t see the collapse of the USSR coming…or didn’t want to.  And they are notorious for not extrapolating the long-term from their own actions.

But the fundamental problem is that we are a National Security state.  Two books should be required reading for us all: “House of War” by James Carroll and “The New American Militarism” by Andrew Bacevich.

It is not the intelligence.It is the motive of the people who get it.To get a shot at Iraqi oil we were using Chalabi a convicted bank embezzler and someone named curveball who every agent of every intelligence service found unreliable.Up against this we had the Foreign Minister of Iraq who said Saddam had nothing.We wanted to control middle east oil so we went for curveball and Chalabi.You know why this assessment of Iranian capabilities become public because the really patriotic Americans in our intelligence services decided not to roll over and play dead for this administration.Oh yeah who was right on Iraq having a deal to purchase yellowcake from Niger the man the CIA sent or Pres Bush.I hope I live long enough so when the memoirs come out about how they screwed the intelligence to make a case for war I can type into Truth Dig with my arthritic gnarled fingers “I told you so”.

The country with the most active nuclear weapons program, the largest stockpile, and the most aggressive behavior is the US. Israel is second on the list followed by Pakistan and India.

The cabal that has swindled it’s way to power in the US presents a clear and present danger to world peace and should be promptly removed and arrested. Short of that, rigorous sanctions should be placed against the US to pressure it to stop it’s WMD programs, withdraw it’s military and institute regime change.

Quote: “The list of folks who turn out not to have the ability to destroy the world is growing at a dangerous rate…...”

This is true, and it is also a concern to the uranium industry. Not having enough nuclear weapons states to flog their filthy stuff to is worrying for them.

If they can’t get everybody building nuclear reactors for energy, then they will have to find a way of letting more states have nuclear weapons…..

Do you think Chavez is trying to make a nuke? And do you think that the nuke weapons program funded in perpetuity by Saddam isn’t going on in Argentina or Nicaragua or Malaysia? Gracious, you just don’t know how devious people can be, do you?

Why goodness me, there are probably hundreds or thousands of people STILL following Saddam’s orders and being paid from secret accounts he set up with OUR money.

People are no damned good.

Puplewolf,

I LOVE IT!!!

More when I return from Sushiyama…

(Caviar from Iran - it was a fair trade)

Nuclear weapons are proof of overtaxation.

And today on the apnews Bush is back in full bully mode. Boasting he wrote a letter “that he got” N. Korea’s attention by writing a letter(?)you mean George Bush knows how to write, that they better give him full disclosure of their nuclear programs and proliferation activities. Gee I am sure they are afraid of the big bad cocaine cowboy. You can read at the following:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071214/D8THB5280.html.

Bush knew full well that the information that he used to justify his invasion of Iraq was 12 years out of date. In other words he used information that was current during his fathers term as president.It seems he never uses actual “REALTIME” information to base his decisions (as I am the Decider)upon. So it comes as no surprise that the information about Iran halting its nuclear activities in 2003 would be acknowledged by him.

When George has his medical checkups do they ever ask him what year it is, the current date, don’t ask him who is the president, he would probably say Cheney or that he is the Dicataor of America and the world, to check on his mental awareness. If the doctors haven’t they need to start right away. He is obviously out of touch with reality and a danger to society. The whole world already knows he is a danger to them, we don’t care if he is a danger to himself.