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Huckabee Doesn’t Cut ItPosted on Dec 13, 2007WASHINGTON—Is the thought of Mike Huckabee as president just vaguely scary? Or have we learned enough about the man that we should be hair-on-fire alarmed at the prospect, still pretty remote, that he could actually win? True, none of his opponents for the Republican nomination inspires much confidence. And it’s amusing to see how thoroughly Huckabee vexes, confounds and unnerves the Republican establishment. You could even argue that the party deserves him. But the nation doesn’t. Rudy Giuliani, who has led in the national polls for most of the year, seems to want to deal with the rest of the world the way he dealt with the squeegee men and crackhead muggers who once plagued New York City; potentially—and this is hard to believe—he could lower our standing in the world past even the depths to which George W. Bush has brought us. But at least Giuliani, when pressed, admits to harboring fairly cosmopolitan and enlightened views on domestic issues such as abortion, immigration and gun control. Mitt Romney, who led the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire for months, has disavowed the moderate positions he took on those wedge issues when he was governor of Massachusetts. And down at Monticello, Thomas Jefferson—who famously distrusted organized religion—must have been whirring like a turbine at Romney’s declaration that “freedom requires religion.” But all of Romney’s pandering still hasn’t managed to dispel the notion that, beneath the rhetoric, he’s basically a pretty reasonable guy. Not so with Huckabee, who has defined himself, basically, as anti-reason. Advertisement Somebody go check Jefferson’s grave; he’s spinning again. The truth is, though, that as governor of Arkansas, Huckabee didn’t behave like the theocrat he makes himself out to be. His absolute reverence for human life didn’t stop him from enforcing the death penalty, for example. I do believe that if he became president he would do everything in his power to deny women the right to reproductive choice, and that alone is reason enough to fear his emergence as a legitimate contender. On many other issues, Huckabee as governor was pragmatic and fairly moderate. It would be ridiculous, in this day and age, to have a president who completely rejects evolution, saying to those who disagree, “If you want to believe that you and your family came from apes, I’ll accept that.” But at least he pledges not to try to keep schools from teaching accepted scientific truth. OK, I’m being overly thankful for small favors. Huckabee’s religious certainty would be problematic—possibly even disastrous—if he were to let it dictate his official actions. I guess I worry even more about clear signs that he’s simply not up to the job, and that he’s also not the nice guy he seems to be. It matters that Huckabee seems to have been the last person in the country to learn that U.S. intelligence agencies now believe that Iran ended its nuclear weapons program four years ago. And it matters that so much of his gorgeous rhetoric is devoid of actual meaning. In the debate Wednesday, for example, he answered a question about education with an eloquent, and apparently learned, disquisition on left-brain and right-brain thinking and the need to teach art and music so that going to school isn’t just a boring grind. That sounds great, until you recall that it’s in the boring, grind-it-out subjects where American students are lagging. Did he mean that our schools should teach less math and science? Or was it just a bunch of words designed to convey a certain sophistication in his thinking? Even more troubling is the way he deals with questions about Romney’s Mormon faith. Huckabee studied theology as a seminarian, yet when asked about Mormonism he becomes a country bumpkin who doesn’t know anything beyond the rumors he has heard. He apologizes later—as he did this week for his false suggestion that Mormons believe Satan is Jesus’ brother—but by then, of course, the damage is done. Huckabee could easily allay fundamentalist voters’ qualms about Romney’s beliefs, or at least put them in context. He chooses not to. That doesn’t strike me as a very Christian way for an ordained minister to behave. Eugene Robinson’s e-mail address is eugenerobinson(at)washpost.com. © 2007, Washington Post Writers Group Elsewhere: . CommentsAre you a Truthdig member yet? Login now, or register with Truthdig. Add Your Comment
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By Dominick J., December 18, 2007 at 2:46 am #
Here’s a link to the Huckabee son dog story.
Report thishttp://www.fund.org/
By Dominick J., December 18, 2007 at 2:38 am #
Huckabee doesn’t stand a chance in, you know that hot place!
You have got to read this, if you haven’t already.
Check out the story about Huckabee and where he stands on animal rights and the fact that his kid, when he was a teen, killed a dog, oh yea when he was in the Boy Scouts. He hung the dog, slit it’s throat and then stoned what was left of the carcas.
I guess this is what he thought was “Family Values.”
http://www.fund.org/
Report thisBy Enemy of State, December 18, 2007 at 12:05 am #
Interesting discussion. Over on Kevin Drum’s blog:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/
there have been some intersting discussions of Huckabee. It seems the Republican powers that be, are afraid of him. Romney even accused him of being the anti-Republican (Foreign Affairs paper with his name on criticising Bush). I’m torn between whether he is the real deal (truly believes his religion and will do as it dictates -even when it contradicts Republican dogma), or is just another variety of hypocritical candidate.
It’s true that he doen’t believe in evolution. Unfortunately more Muricans believe in angels than evolution. Its getting to the point where disbelief in science, be it biology or climate or pyschology is becoming a prerequisite for acceptance by an increasingly large chunk of the public. Trying to get policy right when so many Muricans reject logic is getting to be downright difficult.
Report thisBy cyrena, December 17, 2007 at 8:43 pm #
Thanks all for these wonderful and insightful comments.
Special thanks to WmCobbet, DS Ellis, and Thomas Billis, (as usual) because I’m hoping to use YOUR words, to help connect the dots for others still swamped down in the mess of the religious BS. (sorry, I can call it nothing else)
Unfortunately, there ARE still those swarming about, (as some of you have noted) who have never got to the point of examining their beliefs, or any of the rest of it. The ones who still choose the dogma over any reason.
In many cases, they honestly BELIEVE that they HAVE. (examined their faith/beliefs) without realizing that their examination has instead been a mass hypnotization, generally performed at mega-churches on Sundays, with a dose of bible study thrown in mid-way, (on Wednesdays or Thursdays) to keep the effects going. Matter-of-fact, Ive noted over the past several years, that people who were never overly religious in their ideology before, (or particularly religious AT ALL) have actually fallen way over the line to the other side, and fallen right into psychopathic muck of it all. I remember it hit me not long ago, when another poster (I cant remember which thread, and so I paraphrase) made the observation that when a society begins to feel the effects of a decline such as the one weve been experiencing, the religiosity becomes even more overwhelming.
For instance, when I was doing research into the Big Pharma Oligarchy, I was in Canada to talk with some docs and distributors. One of the doctors asked me why so many Americans were taking anti-depressants. (this was about 3 ½ years ago, and the numbers then were already huge, though I cant bring the exact stats to mind right now). I looked at him with a measure of shock, and said, Uh do you pay much attention to US politics? The economy? The deal with us in the Middle East? That said, we can see that for millions of others, the drug has been religious zealotry instead, and its been force fed, even if the masses dont KNOW that theyre being hypnotized. Quite honestly, if given a choice, Id say the anti-depressants are far less dangerous (and more effective for the millions of us suffering from the Shock Doctrine that Naomi Klein explains so well) than this religiosity. But then, thats just my opinion, and Im not running anything. Besides, we shouldnt NEED any of it!! Still, thats what its come to. And, its yet another symptom of the rot in the decline
Report thisBy tomack, December 17, 2007 at 4:17 pm #
Much humor embedded in this one. Psychologically speaking, when humans are faced with great fear or terror they often resort to humor. It’s sort of an emotional survival tactic. But I offer this: it has already happened so what makes anyone think it can’t happen again?
So, be afraid and be very afraid. More importantly,use that fear productively and do what many people do when they are afraid—fight back and fight back hard. The only way we will get our country back from the residing lunatics while keeping it out of the hands of those lunatics standing on the doorstep is by fighting back HARD.
Report thisBy Conservative Yankee, December 17, 2007 at 10:52 am #
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120649 by 911truthdotorg on 12/16 at 7:05 pm
“Check out what Huckleberry Hounds son did…a nice Christian boy, Im sure.”
Report thisPretty weak Gruel if this is the best dis qualifier you can find. Maybe in your family 18-year-olds represented, totally, the values taught by parents, but not in mine.
By 911truthdotorg, December 17, 2007 at 12:05 am #
Check out what Huckleberry Hound’s son did…a nice Christian boy, I’m sure.
Lambert over at Corrente noticed this little tidbit that Mike Huckabee definitely doesnt want to have brought up:
Heres the barebones story of how 18-year-old Mike Huckabees son, David, and 17-year-old Clayton Frady killed a dog when they were Boy Scouts, and got fired for it. From the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette in 1998 (as quoted in DogBlog):
[David Huckabee,] the younger son of Gov. Mike Huckabee and another teen were fired last month from jobs at a Boy Scout camp after the killing of a stray dog.[..]
So, how and why did David Huckabee (and Clayton Frady) kill the dog?
The original story isnt clear in the lead (the admissions and the details come as you read down). Still from the Democrat Gazette:
The dog was killed [passive voice] July 11 at Camp Pioneer near Hatfield.[..]
I believe the following is the faxed description of the particular process. Its on a reputable site, Utopia Animal Rescue, which is run by, of all people, Kinky Freidman:
(Miller County, Arkansas) Two boy scout counselors, 17 year old Clayton Frady and 18 year old David litickabee [sic], the son of Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, have admitted to catching a stray dog during their summer session at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, AR, and hanging the dog by his neck, slitting his throat and stoning him to death.
Lambert notices that Michael Isikoffs coverage of the story for Newsweek is particularly lacking in investigative curiosity on how David Huckabee killed the dog, which as you can see above, really does color the event.
Digbys on top of this too. The Hucksters son seems to be a real winner and his father tried to cover up his sick, twisted behavior the same kind of behavior that landed former NFL star Michael Vick in prison.
Report thisBy Conservative Yankee, December 16, 2007 at 11:51 am #
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Eugene
You are making a huge mistake to (correctly in my view) point to Huckabee’s adherence to to religious fundamentalism, while giving Romney’s Mormon cultishness a pass.
The Mormon church is awash in racial bigotry, and slavishly linked to some of the same issues you mention in enumerating Huckabee’s weaknesses.
The truth is that either of these men may be fully qualified to run their respective churches….. PERIOD!
Report thisBy WmCobbett, December 15, 2007 at 10:54 pm #
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As a kid growing up in the 50s and 60s, in the Army in the early 70s, an adult with kids of my own in the 80s and 90s, not once did it occur to me that Christians or Christianity posed a danger to the republic.
But I see it now. Their zealotry and devotion to unreason (dogma), and their now obvious hunger for power poses a risk to the nation and the world.
I never thought I would come around to this point of view. Never. But they have shoved their self-righteousness in my face too many times for me to ignore it. They have siphoned off my tax dollars through “faith based initiatives” and sent our young people to die in what Connecticut representative Christopher Shays calls “God’s work.” They have hijacked the Air Force Academy. They have elected their astonishingly stupid president.
And some now complain about atheists counter attacking.
Well, the Christian zealots forced my hand. They forced me to examine my beliefs and test their congruence with those of Jerry Falwell. They forced me to decide. And so I did. I decided they and their dogma-based irrationality are a danger to human survival.
Nice job, Mr. Dobson.
Report thisBy troublesum, December 14, 2007 at 9:47 pm #
I think Huckabee is running for VP anyway. The Republican ticket will probably be Romney-Huckabee. Romney has won the National Review’s seal of approval
Report thisfor ideological purity, but he’ll need Huckabee to keep the holy roller vote in the Republican camp.
By troublesum, December 14, 2007 at 9:31 pm #
Is it not usually the case that in the twilight of empire some fairly disreputable or otherwise undesirable characters end up as head of state? It is highly unlikely that a Jefferson, Lincoln, or FDR is going to burst upon the scene at this time in our history.
Report thisBy Margaret Currey, December 14, 2007 at 9:09 pm #
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We allready had a president who talked to God and look at the mess, keep religion and politics seperate, I know this country does not need more of the same, the election of the president is far off, so far the Republicians do not yet have a winner I mean even the Repubs know Bush is destroying democracy by being a puppet to Dick “Shotgun” Chaney.
Report thisBy Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, December 14, 2007 at 7:44 pm #
Chuck Huck.
Report thisBy Ryssa, December 14, 2007 at 4:40 pm #
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Mormons DO believe that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers. They believe that they were both “spirit children” of the God, Elohim , who is only one of many gods, and just so happens to be the God of planet earth (the other gods rule over their own planets. sounds like a bad sci-fi novel, doesn’t it?) They believe that the only difference between Jesus and Lucifer is that Jesus wanted the inhabitants of earth to decide for themselves whether they wanted to obey God or not, and Lucifer wanted to force them to obey God (or Elohim) The other spirit children who supported Jesus were born to mormon families on earth with “white and delightsome” skin,(mormons believe that everyone on earth started out as a “spirit child” in heaven) and the spirit children who supported Satan became demons. The spirit children who remained neutral on the subject were “cursed” with a “flat nose and black skin” and were therfore denied priesthood. These are the facts. Research it for yourself.
Report thisBy John C. Bonser, December 14, 2007 at 4:38 pm #
We need to be concerned with the fact that most of these GOP candidates believe that the world is just over 6,000 years old!
Report thisBy DS Ellis, December 14, 2007 at 3:10 pm #
Doesn’t Mike Huckabee also feel that some parts of the Bible are allegorical but other parts are the cast-in-stone truth? If so, who determines which parts are allegorical? Either the Bible IS the word of (or inspired by) your god or it isn’t. Another case of so-called ‘good christians’ trying to have it both ways. If he can choose which parts of the bible to ignore/disregard, then what parts of the Constitution will could he choose to ignore? Which parts of the Bill of Rights would be allegorical?
Also, the far right wants every fertilized egg to be born, but only so they can send them to war 18 years later. Remember, all life is sacred until the amniotic fluid is wiped off. Then, all bets are off. After that, you can be sent to fight in illegal conflicts or put to death by execution.
And… despite 150 years of rigorous testing, retesting and proven predictions (at the micro- and macro- levels), Mr. Huckabee STILL doesn’t believe in evolution. He’s proud of the fact that he believes Adam and Eve were real people. If he’s willing to ignore a century and a half of verifiable scientific proof, what other evidence will he disregard when it conflicts with his faith? America, religious tolerance is one thing; tolerance of ignorance is entirely another.
With all that said, Mike Huckabee seems like a genuinely likeable guy but that does not make him presidential material. However, given his preference of dogma over reason and facts and considering our country’s recent history, odds are he’ll be elected to two terms.
Report thisBy dick, December 14, 2007 at 1:11 pm #
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Huckabee is an ignorant, religious fanatic, but he has millions of supporters. Voters are unconcerned, uneducated, and gullible. The power elite are in control, as always.
Report thisBy ocjim, December 14, 2007 at 12:41 pm #
“He apologizes lateras he did this week for his false suggestion that Mormons believe Satan is Jesus brotherbut by then, of course, the damage is done.”
Huckabee’s tactics here remind me of the tactic of planting a thought in jurors mind usually done by the defense attorney, involving a suggestion, an image, a smear and then saying “withdrawn.”
Huckabee obviously has no integrity, contrary to his Christian claims. Doesn’t that sound too familiar.
Report thisBy NYT 9237723, December 14, 2007 at 12:08 pm #
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Thomas Billis—you’re brilliant. An excellent solution to this pesky church/state problem. Do away with the Constitution and make us a real theocracy. Make this THE LORD’S country, a godly place. No more liberals, gays, uppity women and blacks.
First the Almighty-lovin’ fundementalist Merkun gummit could finish the job and get rid of (nudge, nudge, wink, wink)evolution-believing atheist Merkuns, heathen native American Merkuns, then muslim Merkuns, then jew Merkuns, then catholic Merkuns, presby Merkuns, ‘piscopalian Merkuns, methodist Merkuns, buddhist and bah’ai Merkuns, sikh and hindu Merkens, then. . . .
So many sects, so little time to purify this secular, gay-tolerant, Christian nation.
Report thisBy John Miller, December 14, 2007 at 9:29 am #
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How could we possibly have a president, in the 21st Century, who doesn’t believe in Evolution? It’s William Jennings Bryan all over again! I thought we settled this in 1915.
Report thisBy jerry gates, December 14, 2007 at 7:20 am #
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Eugene Robinson’s “Huckabee doesn’t cut it” casts Huckabee as a “same as the neighbors” Christian who is deathly afraid of the boogeymen of Islam, Gay rights, Abortion and moral minority issues like atheism,Israel and Palestine which is s scurrilous and utterly unfounded stereotype of the man with the mindset of trashing christians as miscreat hate mongers.
I’m not going to go there with Robison’s closed mind, by if he would remember the profile in courage of John F Kennedy , the Catholic president who stood so tall against the machinations of the zionist power complex that they killed him for his courage.
While Huckabee is no Kennedy, he is certrainly NOT the mainstream rightwing Christian that Robinson stereotypes him to be.
Eugene Robinson, do you like it when someone puts a plastic label on your back that condemns you as a godless heathen with no morals just because you question the true morals of Christian leaders? Probably not, so why do you do this to Mike Huckabee?
I have no idea who will be the next president , the voters will decide and if no finer braintrust emerges to unseat the Christian mind , we might think of learning a little more about TRUE CHRISTIAN values instead of lumping all Christians into the Fallwell, and Hagee group, when many Christians would bitchslap these assholes in a heartbeat for embarrasing Jesus, with their self righteous condemnations of everything from islamofascism to masturbation.
Report thisBy Thomas Billis, December 14, 2007 at 5:08 am #
I am 61 years old and the fact that you Mr Robinson had to write a column basically saying we are electing a President not a Pope makes me sick.Rather than cry at night I consoled myself that GWB was an aberration that when the voters saw A thoeocratic government that they would be so appalled that it would be dead for another 200 years.Instead religious fervor has gripped this country to the degree that many main stream media people have referred to Romney’s speech in Texas as great.Freaking great.Why don’t we just burn the Constitution completely and make the bible the law in America.If you don’t believe in Christ I guess being an American is out of the question.Huckabee surging on the Republican side does not worry me as much as one’s faith is all the rage for everybody who is running for public office.Mr Robinson ponder on this if Thomas Jefferson was running against Huckabee right now for President Huckabee would win because Jefferson’s belief did not include a belief in Jesus Christ.George Bush once said that there are no Thomas Jefferson’s in Iraq because Saddam Hussein killed them.All the religiosity in America is killing our chance of finding a Thomas Jefferson here.
Report thisBy Rex Chapman, December 14, 2007 at 4:24 am #
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An ordained Baptist minister can’t separate his religion from his politics while running in Iowa, really? Can you be be surprised? This country has politicized religion for the last several elections. Until we stop kowtowing to the “moral majority” these kind of “God is my running mate” candidates will keep coming out of the wood work. If is sells, use it; look at one-liner Rudy a Nixon want-to-be who only says 9-11.
The gene pool seems shallow in the American political right, and all that crawl out of the ooze to claim the presidency like some divine right are not covered with God’s divine grace, but snake oil. Its not divine, its ego, its greed, its megalomania, its to keep a corrupt system in place, its to give Limbaugh, Robertson, Falwell or their ilk a place to hate speak about Islam, homosexuals and immigrants. To project their self loathing on these groups instead of looking for the best in themselves to help their fellow man, to address issues that affect the poor and stuggling. It is hypocritical to claim God is on their side and hate as much as they do. If they read the Bible and see their God endorsing torture and killings and feel they “must go a do like wise” then the rest of us better elect someone else or what we see is what we get: a homophobic, hypocritical, irrational, theocratic, do anything to get and stay in power, president like Rev Mike Huckabee.
Report thisBy purplewolf, December 14, 2007 at 2:59 am #
So Huckabee doesn’t separate his faith from his personal and professional lives. Then he better separate himself from the political life he thinks he wants. There is no room for freedom when religious law rules the masses.
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