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Posted on Dec 4, 2007
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President Bush meets with reporters at Tuesday’s White House press briefing.

By Robert Scheer

Bush is such a liar. Or is he just out to lunch on the most important issue that he faces? In October, he charged that Iran’s nuclear weapons program was bringing the world to the precipice of World War III, even though the White House had been informed at least a month earlier that Iran had no such program and had stopped efforts to develop one back in 2003.

Is it conceivable that Bush was telling the truth at his press conference Tuesday when he stated that he learned of the National Intelligence Estimate report, which contained that inconvenient fact, only last week? Even if Bush read the NIE report, he clearly doesn’t respect it, for at his press conference he said “the NIE doesn’t do anything to change my opinion about the danger Iran poses to the world—quite the contrary.” Not that he has anything against the NIE, whose directors he handpicked. “I want to compliment the intelligence community for their good work. Right after the failure of intelligence in Iraq, we reformed the intelligence community.”

But whether or not the intelligence agencies are reformed, the president still ignores them. He didn’t listen when they told him he was wrong in claiming that Iraq had purchased yellow cake uranium from Niger and he doesn’t listen now when they tell him his alarms about Iran are without factual foundation. The difference this time around is that because Bush is a discredited lame duck the intelligence chiefs were a bit more forthcoming with their findings in a report that has, in part, been made available to the public.

The whole episode shows that our democratic system retains at least some essential checks and balances, but it also is depressing to see that, in this instance at least, the fanatical leader of a theocracy seems to have a higher regard for truth than does the president of the world’s greatest experiment in representative democracy.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who took office as Iran’s president in August of 2005, two years after Iran’s nuclear weapons program ended, has now been vindicated in his claims that Iran has abandoned the weaponization program. Not so Bush, who has summarily dismissed the intelligence community’s findings and, using his favorite tactic in dealing with debacles, is sticking to his original story. A story, as in the case of the earlier Iraq threat inflation, that too many in the mass media and Congress, including some leading Democrats, have bought.

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Take Hillary Clinton, who said that “Iran is seeking nuclear weapons, and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard is in the forefront of that” by way of defending her vote for a resolution that, like the one she voted for before the Iraq war, blindly supports rather than seriously questions the president’s case for war. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was absolutely correct in calling candidate Clinton out on that vote and challenging her lame excuse that she had not read the full intelligence report before her Iraq war vote. “Members of Congress,” Obama cautioned, “must carefully read the intelligence before giving the president any justification to use military force.”

Not a bad idea. In the case of Iraq’s non-nukes, the intelligence evidence supporting Bush was flimsy at best when it did not directly contradict his key assertions. In the case of Iran, it is now publicly understood that there is no such evidence, flimsy or otherwise. But don’t count on that to stop the bipartisan coalition of invasion hawks from pushing on.

Once again, they will attack the United Nations’ experts, who have been proved right in Iran as they were in Iraq. A spokesman for the International Atomic Energy Agency pointed out that the NIE report supports the agency’s view that there is “no evidence” of an undeclared nuclear weapons program in Iran and “validates the assessments of [IAEA Director General] Mohamed ElBaradei, who continuously said in his public statements that he saw no clear and public danger, and that therefore that there was plenty of time for negotiations.”

Can we get ElBaradei to run in the Iowa caucus? Why are our leading presidential candidates so easily fooled?

It’s humiliating to all of us who believe in a free press, separation of powers and individual liberty that a system of government designed by its founders to hold leaders accountable can be so easily manipulated by an unremarkable loser who has been rewarded throughout his life for screwing up. It is hoped that this time around the truth will catch up with him before he gets us in yet another bloody war, just to show he can.

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By mackTN, December 5, 2007 at 10:21 pm Link to this comment

Bush doesn’t care about the truth.  He will persist in this stupidity until his last day in office.  He’s not even embarassed that this sounds like his same warning about Saddam Hussein and iraq. 

And Hillary Clinton goes along with this bs, falls for it everytime. 

Who’s surprised that Israel made a statement in support of Bush’s point of view today?

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By cann4ing, December 5, 2007 at 9:39 pm Link to this comment

Where have you been Marshall?  It’s been a long time since I last time I saw you spread your neocon poop at Truthdig.  First, no one has to accept the NIE assertion that Iran was seeking to acquire a nuclear capability prior to 2003.  Former UNSCOM inspector Scott Ritter, in an interview just posted at this site, insists that they were not.  Secondly, Ahmadenijad did not come into power until 2005, so obviously he would not have been lying since he came to power in insisting that his nation’s enrichment program was only to the level needed for domestic nuclear power—a point consistently confirmed by the IAEA.  Third, as noted in my local paper, the Bush “administration knew last summer that the intelligence agencies had come into possession of of information that cast extreme doubt on their 2005 finding of ‘high confidence’ that Iran was developing nuclear weapons,” yet Cheney and Bush continued apace in asserting otherwise, even going so far as to threaten WW III.

Just as they knowingly relied upon a crude forgery to falsely claim that Saddam Hussein was seeking to acquire yellow cake uranium from Niger, Bush and Rice going so far as to provide dire warnings that we don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud, so Bush and company have once again prevaricated in yet another effort to fix the facts and the intelligence around the policy. 

Your fascist heros in the White House are so thoroughly discredited that their credibility could not be salvaged either by their former chief propagandist Karl Rove or, for that matter, even by Merlin the magician.

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By Goffredo, December 5, 2007 at 9:16 pm Link to this comment

AIPAC and Saudi Arabia are the Ike Turner of George Bush.

This is brilliant, though.  After the report is released, Bush says, “It’s time they come clean with their nuclear intentions.”  Where have I heard “come clean” before?  Oh yeah…when we sent 175,000 troops to the Persian Gulf in 2003 to “engage in diplomacy”.

Nuclear intentions minus a nuclear program equals no intentions.

Fox News will now have a day of mourning, starting tonight at midnight, for the failed chance to engage in more war and more shock and awe.  They just stopped production of 100 million more American flag lapel pins.  Damn those wily liberals! :(

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By Marshall, December 5, 2007 at 9:15 pm Link to this comment

Small problem with Robert Scheer’s thesis here: If you accept the US intelligence that says Iran halted its nuke program in 2003, then by definition, you acknowledge that Ahmadinejad and Iran has been lying, since they’ve denied they ever had such a program.

For some odd reason, Robert didn’t see this contradiction when he called Ahmadinejad “the truthful one”.  Oh well.

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By Howard, December 5, 2007 at 5:10 pm Link to this comment

RE: #118302 by rowman on 12/05 at 2:43 pm
(90 comments total)

The Post by rowman is rational.  Here is his first paragraph only.  How clearer could one say it ?
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  re: RE: #118228 by Non Credo on 12/05 at 11:27 am

“More antisemitic conspiracy theorizing in an attempt to blame the Jews for developments that are unconnected to them. Supporters of the “Israel Lobby” supplement assertion for evidence as you just demonstrated.  It is sourced from obsessive and irrationally hostile beliefs about Jews and accusations of Jewish disloyalty, subversion or treachery or of having occult powers to manipulate institutions and governments. It is nonsense. “

  by roman
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I can only add that here is another essay/topic/report having to do only with Iran and our President Bush. Nothing more. And as I find on most every topic/report where it is not germane to the topic, the complete bashing of Israel.  What for? Can’t the dingbats that are on an agenda leave it alone?

Its embarrasing for the site.  Someone coming down from Mars and reading these posts would be scatchingt their heads.

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By karim29007, December 5, 2007 at 4:47 pm Link to this comment

SLUR ON “ANTI-SEMITES”
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When the ZIONISTS are screaming about

something being “hate,” MOST PROBABLY it’s true

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By PaulRevere, December 5, 2007 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment
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I like Sheer…  BUT CRITICAL ANALYSIS IS MISSING…
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A MILITARY COUP WITHIN THE US GOVERNMENT HAS OCCURRED !

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People of The United States !

I Paul Revere, am the one who on various blogs cheered when our war criminal troops were being blasted away, I am the on who called for armed insurrection against this illegitimate never elected fascist vermin government.

I am the one who called for a coup within the military, to save our nation… 

IT HAS HAPPENED !

The CIA NIE (IRAN HAS NO BOMB) is a coup… to save our nation from the abyss.


the plan by bush + neocons was to sacrifice the Fifth fleet (10,000 sailors +) to so stir America into tolerating a “nukular” response on Iran.

Admiral William Fallon, commander of CentCom said no.  NO officer will follow these illegal orders.  “We will all resign en masse”.

Vice-Admiral John Michael McConnell, director of national intel forced ALL spook agencies to draw a new NIE to stop bush that Iran has no bomb, directly contradicting previous estimates.


What we have here is a coup against the neocons, the zionists and bush. 

THESE ARE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TIMES.  We need to stand by these brave military men (can you believe PaulRevere is saying this?), they are America’s only hope.

bush and neocon CO will likely try to precipitate everything right now…  the pro attack Iran zionist MSM is right now helping him “ignore” this NIE bombshell.

TO arms citizens!

To your keyboards!

Pass the word.

All I have at this point is this French article :

http://www.voltairenet.org/article153395.html

I bush raises the ante, we need then to take to the streets (with weapons) if necessary!

LONG LIVE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND ITS GLORIOUS CONSTITUTION!

DEATH TO ALL TRAITORS TO OUR CHERISHED CONSTITUTION!

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By rowman, December 5, 2007 at 4:23 pm Link to this comment

RE: #118304 by karim29007

Do you realize you are accusing the United States of Treason and shifting the blame of a failed Arab policy on every American?

First, Don’t blame us for your failed policies. You own it.

The Arab/Muslim resources and wealth far exceed Israel’s. If our system was as corrupt as you claim, we would see anti Israel policy. But we don’t. Read my post below #118302 by rowman on 12/05 at 2:43 pm

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By lastdaywatchers, December 5, 2007 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

<b>“lastdaywatchers:
“ “A dreadful and terrible people, making up its own rules as it goes”

You’ve basically described America under the Bush administration.”


RIRedinPA you are right that does sound like the Bush Administration

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By MAR, December 5, 2007 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment

IDree5: How can we take your comments on Israel seriously when you can’t even spell it?

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By karim29007, December 5, 2007 at 3:51 pm Link to this comment

On NIE report

THE CAUSE.
—————

The said report was kept under wrap for over a year, the regime did their best to change it, forge it but “somehow” with no avail.

A great deal has happened since the fraudulent election! back in 2000.

Thousands of Americans, almost a million Iraqis have lost their lives with the on-going daily genocide in Palestine.

America has became the most distrusted, and disliked country in the world.

A land of free and a home of brave is griped and paralysed with fear.

Once a great and thriving economy now has to rely on Chine’s lending to avoid bankruptcy and hence an enormous burden for the future generations of which more than 40 millions of them has been deprived of the most basic and elementary health-care while the social disparity has never been so greater, at the same time the annual gift-wrapped of several billion dollars goes to the zionist’s bank account as normal.

WHY?
And would like all of you to help me to understand.

However, a close look at the recent past firmly indicates the under lying problem namely the so called US-Israel relationship.

But is this really a relationship?

Let’s hear it first hand from the horse’s mouth: “WE CONTROL AMERICA”
Ariel Sharon (ARIK SHEINERMAN), the most ardent zionist, powerful and influential military and political figure in the history of Jewish entity, the one whom our commander-in-chief used to get mesmerized by!

Now, how is it that an ethnic minority of less than 2% can nominate more than 90% of all political appointees specifically when it comes to US foreign policy?


The reason is very simple but fundamental.

The consolidated Zionist consortium with AIPAC AS ITS CEO, has dominated the American way of life more than 60 years through corruption, coercion and black-mail.

And until the ZIONISTS’ PROBLEM GETS SOLVED, THE KILLINGS, AMERICANS, IRAQIS, PALESTINIANS OR OTHERWISE WILL GO ON JUST TO SATISFY THE ZIONISTS REQUIREMENTS.

ONCE THE CAUSE WAS REMOVED THE SYMPTOMS WILL DISAPPEAR.

Thank you.


P.S.:

Just last week PAUL WOLFOWITZ, THE ARCHITECT OF INVASION AND WAR IN IRAQ WAS APPOINTED AS: “  THE CHAIRMAN OF INTERNATIONAL SECURITY ADVISORY BOARS”!!

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By rowman, December 5, 2007 at 3:43 pm Link to this comment

RE: #118228 by Non Credo on 12/05 at 11:27 am

More antisemitic conspiracy theorizing in an attempt to blame the Jews for developments that are unconnected to them. Supporters of the “Israel Lobby” supplement assertion for evidence as you just demonstrated.  It is sourced from obsessive and irrationally hostile beliefs about Jews and accusations of Jewish disloyalty, subversion or treachery or of having occult powers to manipulate institutions and governments. It is nonsense.

When you imply that the bipartisan support of Israel in Congress is a result of Jewish influence, you function as classic conspiracy theorist that attributes decisions to nefarious alliances rather than to the choices of a democratic electorate. Moreover, you portray U.S. politicians as being either too incompetent to understand America’s national interest, or so undutiful that they would sell it to any pressure group inferring a profound corruption within the U.S. democratic institution. If this were true, the vast wealth of the oil rich nations would certainly have the upper hand and we would see policy that is anti Israel.

There is something quite convenient and discomfortingly familiar about the tendency to blame a group of Jews for the overall direction of an increasingly controversial U.S. policy. Indeed, like exaggerated claims of Jewish power at other times in history, such an explanation absolves the real powerbrokers and assigns blame to convenient scapegoats. There are real lobbies that are very strong, and Washington is full of lobbyists.

Sentiment and idealism certainly underlie America’s commitment to Israel. But so do the shared interests and considerations of realpolitik.

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By Marsha, December 5, 2007 at 3:27 pm Link to this comment
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Bush’s lies = treason.  He belongs in prison.  Martha Stewart did time for less!

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By dick, December 5, 2007 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment
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War between USA and Iran it will be, as Israel has demanded of Bush, who is eager to oblidge.

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By americatheblind, December 5, 2007 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment

Re:purplewolf

Very interesting about his nanny.  I knew he worked for the group responsible for the trade centers security, but hadn’t heard about his nanny’s death.  Go figure… she probably heard too much or saw something that she shouldn’t have, and they took her out.  Wouldn’t surprise me the least.  Control the media, sweep it under the carpet, and continue business as usual. 

It blows my mind, the more that you research these high power elitist groups, how truely evil these people are and what lengths they will go to conceal their evil deeds.

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By cann4ing, December 5, 2007 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment

The fact that this Orwellian regime lies about anything that it cannot keep concealed behind a veil of secrecy is hardly breaking news!  This whole mess started with the lie, propounded by, John Ellis, the president’s cousin at Fox News on election night 2000, promptly seconded by NBC at the insistence of GE’s CEO, claiming that Bush actually won in Florida when exit-polls showed he lost by 435,000 votes.

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By purplewolf, December 5, 2007 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment

# 118229 americatheblind:

Don’t forget that Georges brother Marvin Bush was up to his eyeballs with what happened on 911. Google the name Marvin Bush and check out the info and especially the ““accident” his teenage childrens nanny had right on is very own property which resulted in her death. The facts do not add up.

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By purplewolf, December 5, 2007 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment

# 118160 1dree5:

Since there are really no word of higher degree of the word liar I could find - one of the dogs ate the Thesaurus - how about adding the following words in front of the word liar to help describe it better.


Pathological

Habitual

Compulsive

Which ever is best for the current lie.

Remember though, some of the so called deeply religious people out there, like Bush,( yeah, right) feel that all their lies, (like he would acknowledge he ever lied), misdeeds and evil acts will be forgiven if they ask God to, every Sunday and then they still continue this behaviour all week and repeat this process over every week of the year, year after year. So it is okay in his book, God will forgive him so he is hunky-dory with the world again-in his simple view of things. Only he forgot that you have to truly repent those actions- which he doesnt- and feel genuine remorse for what he did- and he doesn’t. Besides,it’s all window dressing to fool some of the people. And yes, some of them even post here trying to defend his sins against humanity.

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By karim29007, December 5, 2007 at 2:18 pm Link to this comment
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On NIE report

THE CAUSE.
—————

Although said report was kept under wrap for over a year, the regime did their best to change it, forge it but “somehow” with no avail.

A great deal has happened since the fraudulent election! back in 2000.

Thousands of Americans, almost a million Iraqis have lost their lives with the on-going daily genocide in Palestine.

America has became the most distrusted, and disliked country in the world.

A land of free and a home of brave is griped and paralysed with fear.

Once a great and thriving economy now has to rely on Chine’s lending to avoid bankruptcy and hence an enormous burden for the future generations of which more than 40 millions of them has been deprived of the most basic and elementary health-care while the social disparity has never been so greater, at the same time the annual gift-wrapped of several billion dollars goes to the zionist’s bank account unabated.

WHY?
And would like all of you to help me to understand.

However, a close look at the recent past firmly indicates the under lying problem namely the so called US-Israel relationship.

But is this really a relationship?

Let’s hear it first hand from the horse’s mouth: “WE CONTROL AMERICA”
Ariel Sharon (ARIK SHEINERMAN), the most ardent zionist, powerful and influential military and political figure in the history of Jewish entity, the one whom our commander-in-chief used to get mesmerized by!

Now, how is it that an ethnic minority of less than 2% can nominate more than 90% of all political appointees specifically when it comes to US foreign policy?


The reason is very simple but fundamental.

The consolidated Zionist consortium with AIPAC AS ITS CEO, has dominated the American way of life more than 60 years through corruption, coercion and black-mail.

And until the ZIONISTS’ PROBLEM GETS SOLVED, THE KILLINGS, AMERICANS, IRAQIS, PALESTINIANS OR OTHERWISE WILL GO ON JUST TO SATISFY THE ZIONISTS REQUIREMENTS.

ONCE THE CAUSE WAS REMOVED THE SYMPTOMS WILL DISAPPEAR.

Thank you.


P.S.:

Just last week PAUL WOLFOWITZ, THE ARCHITECT OF INVASION AND WAR IN IRAQ WAS APPOINTED AS: “  THE CHAIRMAN OF INTERNATIONAL SECURITY ADVISORY BOARS”!!

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By Eric Barth, December 5, 2007 at 2:07 pm Link to this comment
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Thanks again Mr. Scheer for your analysis of this sorry administration. As you no doubt know, THERE WAS NO FAILURE OF INTELLIGENCE, which everyone apparently wants to believe on the Democratic Party side. The Bush Administration knowingly lied to Congress and the population at large to launch their illegal war against Iraq. They violated the UN Charter in every possible way, as did Bush Senior when the U.S. Air Force went after and largely destroyed public utilities, sewage treatment and water systems during the First Gulf War. Then the sanctions that lasted through the Clinton years which took the lives of thousands of Iraqis and especially children. This is making war on innocent civilians!!!

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By americatheblind, December 5, 2007 at 2:05 pm Link to this comment

RE:Greg Bacon’s list of lies

Greg you are right on the money on this list and I agree 100% with your comments (even if you did “borrow” them from other sources).  It still boggles my mind how anybody can defend this traitorous goverment we now have in office and the rubber stamp congress that allows this sh_t to continue to happen.  Makes me physically ill!!!

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By Krashkopf, December 5, 2007 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment
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“Impeach.  Prosecute.  Save America!”

- Naomi Wolf

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By Duris Maxwell, LL.B, December 5, 2007 at 1:30 pm Link to this comment
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For most of my life I have heard that people get the government they deserve. Until recently, I have always seen that statement as nonsense—it was plainly too simplistic to be taken seriously.

Then George W. Bush came along. A lying, murdering, sadistic little bastard who somehow stole his way into the White House with the help of his equally loathsome friends. And soon after the whole world was turned on its head.

It seems to me the basis for outrage is well-documented. The issue now, therefore, is how to explain such general indifference by ordinary Americans to the gutting of most everything America ever stood for.

I have many American friends. And it is profoundly sad to see the anguish that is now cut so deeply into their faces. Do they deserve this? No…none of us do.

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By Compton Stokes, December 5, 2007 at 1:28 pm Link to this comment
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Well at least Bob Scheer is finally talking about Iran. Unfortunately he continues to oversimplify the situation by claiming that Bush would take us to war there “just to show he can”. This is once again Scheer refusing to discuss or enlighten his readers about the real military goal of virtually everyone in the U.S government.

Rather than play “Gotcha!”, Scheer might think about using his voice to expose the grander strategies in play. The U.S is locked into a struggle for supremecy over the control of its life blood, OIL.  If the Russians and the Chinese, who are now cooperating,  are allowed to have unhindered access to all the potential oil reserves in central asia, they will ultimately be able to check our superpower status, and in China’s case, continue to outgrow and outproduce us

The Grand Strategy, in which both of our political parties are complicit, is to secure our Asian foothold by controlling Iraq,Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan, as well as the bases we have established in the former USSR"stans”, by whatever means necassary, and thus control China and Russia’s growth, and their power to dominate Central Asia. This accepted strategy is being driven by Oil corperations who do not want to be cut out of the pipelines the way they have been in Russia once Putin figured out how to play the game.

As seen by Hillary Clintons comments on her belief that Iran is seeking Nukes, the Democrat establishment is very much on board in the pursuit of this Grand Strategy by using the same tactics as the Bush gang, demonizing one Central Asian country at a time in order to justify an attack and occupation.

If writers like Scheer do not do a better job of guiding the American public through the real motivations of the players in this game, Americans will continue to be manipulated by fear tactics into helping the Grand Strategy along without knowing the real reasons for their leaders aggressiveness.

One thing is for sure, if this Strategy is allowed to continue through dis-information,  the U.S. will definitely find its way into igniting World War III on the Asian continent, and no one will be the winner.

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By AngryJed, December 5, 2007 at 12:54 pm Link to this comment
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Couldn’t say it better myself than in your last paragraph. Spot on about Bush and you are not alone:

http://angryjed.blogspot.com/

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By Silexus, December 5, 2007 at 12:51 pm Link to this comment
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To all those who fret and suffer under the crashing load of lies that has become the government of the United States of America, there is hope in the offing.  Words will soon turn into action, heads will roll like they did 200 years ago, and a new Republic will be born closer to the undying ideal of just mankind for Liberte, Egalite and Fraternite.

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By Greg Bacon, December 5, 2007 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment

They lied repeatedly—and still do to this day—about Saddam Hussein having connections to al-Qaeda.

They lied about the intelligence briefings both then NSA head Condi Rice and GW Bush had received in the Summer of 2001.

They lied about knowing the possibilities of someone using an airplane as a weapon to attack buildings.

They lied repeatedly—and still do to this day—about using torture techniques on prisoners.

They lied—and still do—about not spying on Americans unless they have a court order.

They lied in the outing of now former CIA undercover operative Valerie Plame Wilson.

They lied about the FISA Court—Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act—not issuing warrants in a timely manner.

They lied about Iraq having biological and chemical weapons.

They lied about Iraq having a nuclear weapons program.

They lied about Saddam having mobile facilities for producing biological warfare agents.

They lied about Iraq having UAV’s—Unmanned Aerial Vehicle’s—that could deliver chemical or biological agents to the U.S.

They lied about finding WMD’s in post-invasion Iraq.

They lied about Iraq being an “imminent” threat to the United States.

They lied about the threat level of the then approaching Hurricane Katrina.

They lied about not knowing that the New Orleans levees were in danger of being breached.

They lied—and still do—about the need for an immediate fix on the Social Security fund.

They lied about the tax cuts going mostly to the middle class.

They lied about the estate tax saving the “family farm.”

They lied about the 2003 Prescription Drug Bill cost Estimates.

They lied about Bush’s “Clean Air Act” imposing stringent new rules on polluters.

They lied—and still do—about the effects of the tax cuts on the national debt.

They lied about the outgoing Clinton administration damaging White House property.

They lied about Bush’s service in the Air National Guard.

They lied about the level of care our wounded veterans were receiving.

They lied about the amount of federal educational funding states would receive.

They lied about using conservation as part of a National Energy policy.

They lied about the White House’s connections to the now bankrupt company, Enron.

They lied about Bush being the first president to advocate for a separate Palestinian state.

They lied about their level of involvement in the attempted coup in 2002 of President Chavez of Venezuela.

They lied about Cheney’s involvement in awarding contracts to his old firm, Halliburton. (Cheney still receives a deferred compensation package from Halliburton)

They lied about Bush supporting a patient’s bill of rights, that would allow patients denied care the right to take their HMO to court.

They lied about the safety of imported prescription drugs from Canada.

They lied about the budget deficits being only “small and temporary.”

They lied about the fact that Bush and the WH do conduct focus groups and listen to polls.

They lied about the war in Iraq having nothing to do with oil.

They lied about former NFL star turned Army Ranger Pat Tilman’s murder in Afghanistan.

They lied—and still do—about people wanting to attack us for our freedom.

They lied about turning information over to the 9/11 Commission.

They lied—and still do—about addressing the security concerns and vulnerabilities at chemical plants and ports.

They lied—and still do—about Iran having connections to aL-Qaeda.

They lied—and still do—about Iran being a threat to the United States.

They lied about Saddam Hussein refusing to allow U.N. WMD inspectors into Iraq.

So, why in the hell should anyone believe ANYTHING this pack of professional liars has to say about the events that took place on September 11, 2001?

P.S. Thanks to the excellent web site, Bush Lies and to an article in the “Nation.”

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By THIRD, December 5, 2007 at 12:42 pm Link to this comment
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Robert Scheer has dug right into the guts of GW Bush and laid it all out for us to examine with insight and intelligence.
Intelligence—, a concept drastically lacking in the president of our country, a third rate bully who has, at last, shown even his strongest supporters his true colors.  A person of diabolical wickedness, Bush would indeed, cast our country into another unbid war if not controlled very carefully.  Why, with another year to go as Commander in Chief, what would he do without another war to keep him busy?

Ironically, just this morning Jenna Bush appeared on the Ellen show.  I only caught a small portion where Ellen was urging her to telephone her father.  Jenna was hesitant and remarked that her father would be mad but gave in eventually and made the call.  She spoke with her mother who was very short with her and her father took the phone.  In the presence of the audience and everyone who was watching the Ellen show, Jenna Bush asked her father, George W. Bush if he were mad at her.  Of course he replied no but one could detect the irritability in his words.  More than that, the daughter of the president revealed to the world that her dad was a control freak and was not to be disturbed.  [Just another tidbit from the Bush house.]

We can count on Bush to try to outlie any evidence that makes his bid for war on Iran illegal and immoral.  One strike against him is that he doesn’t have Tony Blair to help him create false proof of nuclear ambitions.  Another is the loss of the Rove connection.  The biggest strike is that the UN and the NIE are both against him.  All of this and he responds with his usual sneer.  The one sure drawback is the people.  I could be wrong but I don’t believe the people of America will sit back this time and allow this individual to completely destroy our country.  Our voices are stronger!!

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By americatheblind, December 5, 2007 at 12:28 pm Link to this comment

RE:  BESTPIX comment “1. the CIA told us that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 911
2. the 911 commission told us that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 911”

Yeah, and the 911 commission report is a lie from start to finish.  I guess it boils down to if you really believe the official story of 911 (which I must surely don’t).  Before you ask, no I haven’t read it; my reason is that the head of the 911 commissions report (Tom Keane) was assigned by Bush himself, and also and co-authored a book with Condelezza Rice a few years back.  So basically everything that ended up in the Official 911 Commissions Report had to get approval from Tom Keane who in turn obviously got approval from the White House before giving the o.k.  A Bush administration offical investigating the Bush administration; hmmmm….. maybe a little conflict of interest there (a Bush staple). 

Do you know BESTPIX that the only reason Bush even opened an official 911 investigative panel was because the family members of vicims of 911
were up in protest at the lack of urgency from the Bush admistration, and it’s resistance to even investigate the reasons for the complete breakdown in security over the United States on 911 (it took 441 days to finally form the 911 Commission).  And do you know BESTPIX that the only way that Bush and
Cheney agreed to be interviewed for the Official 911 Commissions Report was if they were interviewed together NOT under oath, no transcripts, no video
cameras, and only one stenographer was allowed to take notes, which in turn had to be reviewed by the White House (doesn’t sound the least bit fishy to me).  So I wouldn’t put to much credence in the “Official 911 Commissions Report”.  Oh, lets not forget they didn’t even investigate WTC 7 that fell into it’s own footprint without being hit by any planes.  They had a little sidenote, saying to the effect that they really don’t know why it fell, but are continuing to investigate.  Yeah, o.k.  Your response???

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By rowman, December 5, 2007 at 12:23 pm Link to this comment

Non Credo:
You’re still bent on the fictitious Israel Lobby!!?
If you’re so convinced they exist, name them. Offer some real proof to substantiate what you say is true.

Must be a fantastic organization to be able to rise above the billions of dollars flowing into the pharmacy, gambling, technology, telecommunications and other high profile lobbies. I would really be interested in knowing who this mythical group is.

And don’t pull a number like 1dree5 and tell me the UFO mother ship took the proof.

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By rowman, December 5, 2007 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment

1dree5:
Did you stop taking your meds again or did you just happen upon the conspiracy theorist purple koolaide and handbook?

I have seen some far out claims here but you are seriously tripping on your nonsense. Too bad the UFO mother ship beamed up all the facts to substantiate your claims…

Take the meds the doc prescribed, lay off the other stuff and please drop the caps.

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By RIRedinPA, December 5, 2007 at 12:05 pm Link to this comment

lastdaywatchers:

” “A dreadful and terrible people, making up its own rules as it goes” “

You’ve basically described America under the Bush administration.

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By brewerstroupe, December 5, 2007 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment

The evidence for the weapons programme that Iran supposedly “halted in 2003” consists of a document, freely available on the internet, that was discovered lying in full view on a desk during one of the 2000-odd IAEA inspections since 2001 and minute traces of weapons grade material in a centrifuge Iran had bought from Pakistan. So even this current disclosure by the NIE contains a measure of bullsh*t. There never was a programme.

What does the whole nightmarish scenario of pre-emptive attacks on sovereign, non-threatening nations for fictitious reasons with the accompanying slaughter of innocents tell us about the U.S. and Israel?

The reasons given for these dreadful crimes have all disappeared into thin air.

No weapons of mass destruction.

Saddam offered to go into exile .

Iran is not a threat.

The oil ain’t worth the cost of the war.

The threat of terrorism is not diminished and, in any case seems to emanate mostly from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, or at least it’s adherents do.

How “expert” does one have to be before one allows for the possibility that the current U.S. regime, stacked as it is with “Israel firsters”, is bent on degrading any M.E. State that matures into a serious counter to Israel’s expansionist ambitions as outlined by Sharon’s buddy Oded Yinon in the 1980s?


“In 1982, Oded Yinon, a senior advisor at the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs and a journalist, articulated the Zionist plan to Balkanize the Middle East by breaking up the Arab states of Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States.

“The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unique areas such as in Lebanon, is Israel’s primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power of those states serves as the primary short-term target,” Yinon wrote.”

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By Sharon Ash, December 5, 2007 at 11:57 am Link to this comment
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Just hit the mute button on Bush.  Who cares what he says?  What’s important is driving out not only Bush and his bandits from our government, but those of the like minded fascist movement mentality in our government who have aided and abetted this attempt to dismantle and overtake our government.  This group exists in both our government and our military and our society at-large.  We must restore our democracy.  We must regain our rights.  We must be far more diligent in protecting them in the future.

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By Howard, December 5, 2007 at 11:48 am Link to this comment

I did not vote for Bush.  Saw it comin’
Let’s see how many readers did vote for him !
Take a poll.
As an aside, I don’t believe in todays world, someone like Abe Lincoln could win. Even the nomination.  Mass media would knock his personna’, etc.  And not fathom or give the public the right view of his abilities and intelligence. They’re not into that kind of thing.

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By Ed, December 5, 2007 at 11:46 am Link to this comment
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Why did Iran have a nuclear weapons program?

Answer:
Sadaam Hussain

Why did they abandon it in 2003?

Answer:
No more Sadaam Hussain

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By lastdaywatchers, December 5, 2007 at 11:35 am Link to this comment

Louise the answer to your question “By the way, lastdaywatchers “you will suffer the same warth to come“

Is “warth” worse than a runnamuck repub decider guy?
Can anything be worse?”

The Answer is YES, It can and will get a whole lote worse and if you don’t believe me

Let God Word give the answer Matthew chapter 24 verse 21

“For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now–and never to be equaled again”

and Ernest Canning you say

“The notion that either Iraq or Iran amounts to a clear and present danger to a nation which spends as much on the military as the rest of the world combined is a complete farce”

But God Word say (from the May 15th Prophecy)”“I am raising up the Babylonians, that ruthless and impetuous people, who sweep across the whole earth to seize dwelling places not their own.”

“They are a feared and dreaded people; they are a law to themselves and promote their own honor”

The Message bible translate verse 6-7 this way

“I’m about to raise up Babylonians to punish you, Babylonians, fierce and ferocious-World-conquering Babylon, grabbing up nations right and left,”

“A dreadful and terrible people, making up its own rules as it goes”

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By themask, December 5, 2007 at 11:16 am Link to this comment
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Louise,

YOU NAILED IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  GREAT POST.
It was so good I had to read it twice.

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By Eric L. Prentis, December 5, 2007 at 11:08 am Link to this comment
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President Bush is ideologically hobbled, consequently, he fabricates facts to justify what he is going to do anyway—resulting in inevitable and appalling real-world results.

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By MAR, December 5, 2007 at 11:08 am Link to this comment

Same ol’, same ol’: Liar, cheat, dumbo, puppet - what can one say when it comes to Dubbya’s rationalizations in the Mid-East.

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By bestpix, December 5, 2007 at 11:00 am Link to this comment

americatheblind wrote:  “but you really can’t blame those people for the policies and laws this administration has covertly and corruptedly implemented and enforced”

let me see now; BEFORE the 2004 election

1. the CIA told us that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 911
2. the 911 commission told us that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 911

and the american people re-elected Bush

HOW CAN THIS NOT BE THE VOTERS FAULT?

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By Louise, December 5, 2007 at 10:57 am Link to this comment

Watching a friend suffer from job loss, and “new” job shortages, I commented I’d had a similar experience when the first Bush was president. To my surprise, she spun around and said, “Bush is the Devil!” Caught me off guard, because this friend wouldn’t say an unkind word about anyone, if her life depended on it!

“I responded, “Well, I don’t know that I’d call him the Devil ... not smart enough ... maybe crazy.”

“No, he’s the Devil!” She said, “The whole worlds gone crazy! Haven’t you noticed that?” She asked.

“Everybody’s crazy! Everything’s crazy! Nothing makes sense anymore. And anyone who tries to make the craziness sound sensible sounds even crazier!”

Then just as suddenly she went back to doing something, anything to keep busy, and never mentioned Bush again.

I’ve thought a lot about that experience lately. She’s right you know. Everything’s crazy.

Is that because Bush is the Devil? Or is it because we have spent seven years from Hell trying to understand, analyze, justify, somehow make some kind of sense out of the nonsensical that is the Bush.

Scheer’s right. Bush is such a liar.

And so are the Corporate dudes who sit as CEO’s just long enough to leave with a multi-million dollar severance package.

And so are the Credit Card Companies that lobbied for a law leaving their victims powerless to declare bankruptcy, then set about hooking more people in the credit trap, then increasing interest, until the costumer is destroyed ... but still indebted to them.

And so are the “medical” professionals who spend more time and money trying to avoid responsibility than they do providing medical care.

And so are the Insurance providers who spend more time and money screwing their customers out of their claim than they do honoring claims.

And so are the men and women who call themselves servants and daily take Gods name in vain for the soul purpose of making more money and gaining more power.

And so are the professional politicians who pass laws to protect themselves and the other liars who bought their souls.

And so are the small minded who lay blame for everything on the immigrants among us.

And so are the drug manufacturers who live and breath to hook us all on drugs we don’t need and shouldn’t want.

Is that the problem?
Have we all been brain damaged by the legal drug industry?

What happens when the drug residue in the groundwater reaches critical mass? The hooked on legal drug users all pee you know.

When did the craziness begin?
When did we accept the lie as real and decide honesty was invalid?

And what about a congress who has the power to remove the Bush administration, but continues to lie to themselves, because we certainly don’t believe them. They say they want nothing more than accountability, except they don’t really. Because if they did, we would be way into impeachment hearings by now.

Compulsive lying is symptomatic of schizophrenia.
Bush could and should be impeached simply because he is mentally unsound!

But it seems, so is congress.

Bush is such a liar.
Works well with all the other lairs in D.C.
And the Churches and the corporate world.
And the guys that make things that kill ... for profit.

There’s a scripture that describes the anti-Christ as “He who lives and loves a lie.”

Little wonder so many question organized religion.
The anti-Christ appears to be everywhere.

By the way, lastdaywatchers (#118172)

” ... you will suffer the same warth to come ... “

Is “warth” worse than a runnamuck repub decider guy?
Can anything be worse?

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By cann4ing, December 5, 2007 at 10:43 am Link to this comment

The notion that either Iraq or Iran amounts to a clear and present danger to a nation which spends as much on the military as the rest of the world combined is a complete farce.  Scheer mentions that both Clinton and Obama got it wrong on Iran.  He neglects to mention that both Clinton and Edwards got it wrong on Iraq.

The goal, spelled out in advance by the neocon Project for a New American Century, was and is regime change for the purpose of imposing U.S. imperial hegemony over the whole of the oil rich middle east.  The goal is the imposition of what Naomi Klein aptly describes as “disaster capitalism,” masquerading under the guise of “reconstruction” by the same private corporations whose bottom lines are swollen first by “deconstruction.”  The difference this time around is that the Cheney-led neocons were unable to permanently fix the facts and the intelligence around the policy. 

Interesting that, once again, Scheer ignores the one candidate who has consistently got it right—Dennis Kucinich.  We should not accept, as valid, a level of discourse which limits coverage only to those candidates anointed by the corporate media with the “leading” label.

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By RIRedinPA, December 5, 2007 at 10:35 am Link to this comment

Nothing like that “Truth of God word” stuff. Gotta go and check to see if the fire and brimstone are hot enough yet.

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By Mahmoud Amhadinejad, December 5, 2007 at 10:35 am Link to this comment
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That’s right I’m vindicated! I am tempted in this supreme moment of vindication and exoneration to ridicule the American intelligence team for their methods of covert research and reconnaissance into our nuclear capabilities. In short I’m tempted to say “more like American buffoonery team of complete incompetence and utter failure.”  There intelligence report consisted of sending me a brief questionnaire. Read it here ... http://www.newsgroper.com/mahmoud-ahmadinejad/2007/12/05/american-bufoonery-team-complete-incompetence-utter-failure/

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By lastdaywatchers, December 5, 2007 at 10:20 am Link to this comment

You can cry all you want about Bush is a dumbf#*k and a liar and Congress is this or that

You can even hate the lie, however if you do not STAND for the TRUTH of God Word, you will suffer the same warth to come

Because you love not the Truth

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By Conservative Yankee, December 5, 2007 at 10:09 am Link to this comment
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118077 by Marshall on 12/05 at 12:46 am

“And based on its language, its history of deception, its ideologically ruled government, its support of insurgents”

Historically the “history of deception” belongs to England, The Ottomans, and the USA.

Our “ideologically ruled government” gets a pass?

We are the “insurgents” in the Middle East. (See our interference regarding Mosadeq in 1954

http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/FRUS/FRUS-idx?type=simple&rgn=Entire+work&size=First+100&work=FRUS.FRUS1952-54v10&q1=Shah&submit=Search

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By americatheblind, December 5, 2007 at 9:31 am Link to this comment

RE: THOMAS BILLIS comment on electing Bush, and we are all suffering not because of George Bush but for the decision of our biblical fellow citizens who
decided “A jackass will lead us”.

I think this statement is an unfair one.  All those that voted for this freaking idiot know that they made a huge mistake (I being one of them), but you really can’t blame those people for the policies and laws this administration has covertly and corruptedly implemented and enforced.  A.K.A Patriot Act I & II, the illegal invasion and occupation of IRAQ, illegal wiretapping of America citizens and spying on private e:mails without and official court issued search warrants to do so.  There are so many things that have been f_cked up since this idiot has taken office, but most of which has been rubber stamped by the Republican Congress.  The American people tried to make the only change they could, and elected Democrats into Congress, but I think the Republicans just past the rubber stamp to them, and status quo continued.  Poll after poll states that the American people want both Bush and Cheney impeached, but the puppet Congress doesn’t have the marbles to prosecute these bastards.  Bush and his crony administrtion and puppets have continued to eliminate our Constitutional rights and privileges one at a time under the cloak of “The War on Terror”. 

People wake up; these “terrorists” that aim to destroy us and our Democratic ways would never be able to accomplish as much destruction to our great democracy as these treasonous traitors and their puppet administration has in the last 7 years.  We as United States citizens want change, there is no doubt about it, but in any true facist government
the peoples voice means about as much as the floater that I left in the toilet last night.

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By RIRedinPA, December 5, 2007 at 9:07 am Link to this comment

Without seeming to defend Bush here let’s try to reserve the hysteria a bit. The report says that Iran stopped pursuing nuclear weapons in 2003 and have not continued on through 2007. Perhaps I am reading that wrong but the implication there is that prior to 2003 they were trying to develop nuclear weapons.

Also, the report indicated that a lot of the nuclear power research being conducted right now is duel use, meaning that if Iran wanted to turn on the nuclear research switch tomorrow they have had a lot of development in the civilian sector which can be transfered to military use.

Bush obviously needs to explain his recent saber rattling given the age of this report (three months old) and his comments that he just saw it this week doesn’t fly, NIE are delivered to the President right after they are written, three month old intelligence, in this day and age, though not useless, can be quickly outdated.

That being said, implying that we should now take Ahmadinejad at face value is just as foolish as saying we should take Bush at face value.

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By QuyTran, December 5, 2007 at 9:02 am Link to this comment

Chimpanzee will never talk non-sense. Bush was below
chimpanzee so he’s always tried to be LIAR. Sorry and pity for OUR PRESIDENT and for those who have voted for this GUY not once but twice !

Sorry if I insult CHIMPANZEE by comparing to Bush.

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By RIRedinPA, December 5, 2007 at 8:58 am Link to this comment

1dree5, dude, your caps lock is on…seriously, let’s rejoice in the upper and lower case alphabets, please.

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By ElkoJohn, December 5, 2007 at 8:37 am Link to this comment

it’s all about pre-meditated, criminal acts for OIL, with ignorant, apathetic, american voters as accomplices. the american empire is a continuing danger to the world. who can stop us?

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By sciencehighway, December 5, 2007 at 8:22 am Link to this comment
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Grayer, While I can certainly sympathize with your heartfelt admonishment that some posters might want to do a bit more research, or at least a little basic fact-checking, prior to posting, I’m forced to ask the same of you. Journalist Daniel Pearl wasn’t captured, held and ultimately executed in Iran, as you imply. That horror occurred in the heart of America’s great ally, Pakistan.

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By Fools on the Hill, December 5, 2007 at 8:15 am Link to this comment
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Who’s the terrorist, now?

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By clarence swinney, December 5, 2007 at 7:58 am Link to this comment

Think Bush is honest or Sane? Facts to tell you.

google search

clarence swinney + bush waffles
clarence swinney + bush lies

They used the big lie Techique—Word Association—to get 70% to believe there was an association between Saddam and 9-11; Saddam and terrorists; Saddam and OBL.
One review listed over 100 times where they used saddam and 9-11 close together in setences.In one speech Bush used it in eight sentences.

Karl Rove is an admitted fan of Goering and Goebbels. He trained Bush in their Techniques of deception:

Tell Big lies. Never backoff. Repeat them until they become truth.
Never admit a mistake.

clarence swinney
political research historian
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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, December 5, 2007 at 7:19 am Link to this comment

One great success of the Bush administration is to do an unparalleled job of upholding our government’s tradition of telling citizens how evil everyone else in the world is.  I can’t remember a time when these lies have been so often and so effectively thrown back into the faces of the bold faced liers as with
the Bush administration.  People are catching on. After this embarrassment is finally gone, there may just be some hope, at least, that this sorry tradition might end.

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By thomas billis, December 5, 2007 at 5:53 am Link to this comment
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I always try to make fun of George Bush because basically he is an idiot.I am always amazed when he is taken seriously on anything and have thought saw from the time he decided to run.The people who keep harping on the ineptitude of George Bush do not have a beef with him he is what he is.You have a beef with your fellow citizens who elected him not once amazingly but twice.As I write this there are 30% of Americans who still think he is doing a bang up job.If you elect a jackass and he does things a jackass would do who is really to blame.Couple that with the fact that his VP was one of only handful of Representatives who voted to keep Nelson Mandela in jail did you expect Camelot.We are all suffering not because of George Bush but for the decision of our biblical fellow citizens who decided “A jackass will lead us”.

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By richard kobzey, December 5, 2007 at 4:44 am Link to this comment
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I’m starting to feel genuinely sorry for Bush, because his “Bomb Iran” drum-beating is beginning to resemble the bully in the schoolyard who manages to disgust everyone enough to stand together and stare him down.

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By A Khokar, December 5, 2007 at 3:47 am Link to this comment

Looking for a Complete Victory

The planned invasion of Iran after Iraq, on yet another false pretexts was as ludicrous and a bizarre anomaly as of US quest in Iraq for declaring a ‘complete victory’ there; This all looks absurd? As probably people don’t know that what the factual position in Iraq on in Iran is?

Why we tend to disregard the fact that we are out there with the aim to illegally occupy sovereign countries by thrusting atrocious havocs upon them and are bringing the destruction and anarchy to the feeble and defenceless, destitute people. Making them flee their home land; so that consolidation of American mega, mega bases becomes easier.

In Iraq US Armed Forces deployed are aimlessly exterminating every one who so ever comes in range; declaring every citizen there a terrorist; thus creating enemies all over the places for them selves. In order to prolong their stay, they are also provoking them to react and resist. These deceitful, crafty efforts are illusionary and are the misuse of US lead mighty armed forces to make them fight the ‘imaginary shadows in the dark’ and then look for some military victory also?

Armies don’t fight imaginary shadows and illusions. You need a visionary to win the hearts and minds of the people; because extermination, terror and imposing of famine may make the heads bow but you can’t bend the mind!
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Love for all, Hatred for none

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By A Khokar, December 5, 2007 at 3:27 am Link to this comment

Wars are not won or lost on the battlefields; wars are won or lost in the minds of the commanders.

Bush hawkish rhetoric is a face saving exercise; in the face of expected retreat from Iraq.

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By Grayer, December 5, 2007 at 3:08 am Link to this comment

What is ironic is that Americans care more about those who do not appreciate or respect the American Culture than they do for there own people.  Everyone wants to blame BUSH for everything, Katrina, Gas prices, homeless, abuse, education; think of a problem our country and it’s his fault, or Clinton’s or Reagan’s, or Carter’s, or even Lincoln’s. Stop.  Brad Pitt is far from the richest man in America, and he’s done so much.  Where are all the foreign engineers that live here and make billions?  Where were all the countries we helped in the past?  Where are all those Americans that are mad and blame BUSH for the Katrina aftermath in regards to ADOPTING some of those kids left behind from Katrina?  He’s our president.  Not our saviour. Thats Americans greatest weakness, and they played on it on 9/11.  We lack the support, patience, camaraderie, and respect of each other that was erected for a short time after 9/11. We have become more embarrassing than the French with regards to how we treat out leader.  Travel, you’ll note it.  Honestly, you will more than likely be here making posts about every president for the rest of your life!!  Just remember, you are setting an example..  You tell want the leaders for tomorrow to represent,no?  Teach them how in a better way.

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By SamSnedegar, December 5, 2007 at 3:06 am Link to this comment

“...It is hoped that this time around the truth will catch up with him…”

And YOU Mr. Scheer. The “truth” is that there HAS to be a viable excuse for bombing Iran which has nothing to do with the fact that we’re doing it to keep them out of our oil grabs in the mideast . . . uh-oh, I forgot that you don’t mention oil any more Mr. Scheer.

It is my own contention that when we attack the Emirates and Kuwait and probably Saudi Arabia to steal their oil, that Iran will come in on their sides to do what it can to help their neighbors and fellow oil well owners, and so our saber rattling has the effect of neutralizing them or putting them at blame for whatever chicanery we develop for our excuse to bomb them.

Face it, Iraq posed no threat to the USA except for Saddam’s “threat” to sell his oil for euros, a threat also posed by the Iranians who also have put forward a “bourse” for selling oil for euros, and this is a very real threat to the economy of the USA, because our dollar is losing value every day now, and it won’t take much to put it in Wile E Coyote country where it finds itself with no solid ground beneath it, so it plummets into the canyon.

So, Mr. Scheer, if you plan to write about Iraq and Iran but leave oil out of your conversation, you aren’t doing much better at truthfulness than the Bushitter gang of thugs, or the Noo Yawk Times, for that matter.

There may be a way to get out of our dilemma short of Argentinization or Enronization, but we won’t find it if we refuse to admit that it IS a dilemma needing some answer other than oil theft.

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By Grayer, December 5, 2007 at 2:31 am Link to this comment

RE: cyrena


• If you believe that nothing matters but short-term profit, or that nothing matters because Jesus is coming, or that nothing matters except killing off illegal aliens, then your mind is no longer open to facts. George doesn’t care about the facts and neither does his constituency.
Thinkcritical,
You’re right of course. SOME of us obviously DO care about the facts, but I have to admit, (depressing as it is) that there are still a large portion of the ignorant among us, who not only don’t CARE about the facts, but actually WOULD prefer to deny them. Not unlike the shrub himself.

Fascinating entry.. Why not take it up a notch and insist the iranian leader do the same? Why assume just SOME of us CARE?  That would be a presumption.  Or maybe you just want to deny the honest truth.  You do not know everything.  You can critique, but you cannot deny the Iranian leaders own words when he came here.  Can you?  Or do you even remember?  We are beginning a new election?  Make you question anything?  Should!!!!!

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By Grayer, December 5, 2007 at 2:19 am Link to this comment

RE:Verne Arnold

Just try to speak for yourself, not the"WE”.  We have our own voices, thanks.

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By thomas billis, December 5, 2007 at 2:14 am Link to this comment
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I read that unknown to the press or the public Bush has found a source that completely agrees with his assessment of the Iranian situation and he puts more faith in this guy than all of the intelligence agencies combined.He is formerly with the mossad and has infiltrated the top echoleons of the Iranian government.I am told by a source that this guy is curveball’s brother in law matzoh ball.It is the same source Joe Lieberman was using.More on Matzoh Ball later.

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By Verne Arnold, December 5, 2007 at 2:12 am Link to this comment

#118073 by Grayer on 12/05 at 12:30 am
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Life is different, this is not Vietnam. Instead of people quoting from previous media data, think for your self. Form an opinion. Research.

Just why do you think we post here?  And just what is it we are posting?  Unless you are a ME expert (your comment would indicate you’re not) we probably know more than you do.  My “opinions” and comments generally are, in fact researched, as are many of the blogger’s here.  This site can be a source of very good information; please note, I said can be…buyer beware. 
I for one do not like anybody who completely trashes the Constitution, Bill of Rights and most importantly the right of habeas corpus.  I also tend not to hang around with people who disregard our right of free speech Each to their own, I guess?  So this is my opinion.

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By cyrena, December 5, 2007 at 2:05 am Link to this comment

•  “Bush is such a liar. Or is he just out to lunch on the most important issue that he faces?”

I would suggest that it’s BOTH, on this as well as ALL OTHER important issues. Lying and out to lunch for cocktails that extend from breakfast to the midnight snack. Wild Turkey with bourbon backs.

•  ““I want to compliment the intelligence community for their good work. Right after the failure of intelligence in Iraq, we reformed the intelligence community.”

And, this is just one example of the lying, and the lying, and the lying, for all of these years. The intelligence on Iraq didn’t FAIL, he just chose to lie and make stuff up. Now he says “we reformed”, (how many times have we heard him say that about his insanity) when in fact he plans not to listen to their “good work”.

So, more lying and denying and insanity. No reformation here.

•  “in this instance at least, the fanatical leader of a theocracy seems to have a higher regard for truth….”

Now on THIS part, (as I was reading) I thought Mr. Scheer was talking about GWB, (fanatical leader of a theocracy) until I got to the part about the higher regard for the truth.

Still, let this be a warning to you all, on Ron Paul. If you’re not careful, WE could wind up with a fanatical leader of a theocracy, that would make Ahmadinejad look like Larry Flynt.

Meantime, I’m sure, sure, sure glad that the “reformed” intelligence community did their good work. GW will of course remain committed to lying and denying, but at least the rest of the world is no longer fooled, (the international community) which is how he’s been able to maintain this saber-rattling for so long.

In all honesty, I was pretty much convinced long before anyway, that Iran wasn’t in search of a nuclear weapons program, but I also knew that even if they’d never had much of a desire for one before, (being Un-Islamic and all) they sure had reason to start considering it lately. I mean, how long have the bushies been accusing them of something that they haven’t been guilty of, with NO proof of any sort, that they MIGHT be guilty of it? That’s enough to piss anybody off.

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Meantime, I agree with you on this one 1dree5

•  YES this report of IRAN’s nukes program stating that they abandonned the project in 2003 is not like this administration, Its very unlike them. I DO PRESUME that a different hand was at work and that was most probably the Senior officers that oppose further adventures. I guess that this much they could have achieved, YES!

My own guess is that it may have come about because nothing else had yet seemed to deter them. It’s not like there haven’t been MANY people speaking up against this for well over a year now…academics, authors, and senior military personnel as well. They’ve written letters, given addresses, and submitted documents, etc, etc.

Maybe this was the final solution. A different sort of Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers. Whatever works.

YEAH!!

OH my…I just saw this, and I have to agree with it as well:

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•  If you believe that nothing matters but short-term profit, or that nothing matters because Jesus is coming, or that nothing matters except killing off illegal aliens, then your mind is no longer open to facts. George doesn’t care about the facts and neither does his constituency.

Thinkcritical,

You’re right of course. SOME of us obviously DO care about the facts, but I have to admit, (depressing as it is) that there are still a large portion of the ignorant among us, who not only don’t CARE about the facts, but actually WOULD prefer to deny them. Not unlike the shrub himself.

My only hope is to keep the wake-up call sounding at a loud level, and keep ‘em from hitting the snooze button. Sort of like having to be a full time attendant to a junkie or a drunk in trying to try them out, and reintroduce them to sobriety.

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By Marshall, December 5, 2007 at 1:46 am Link to this comment

Obviously Bush knew about the NIE conclusions before its release.  Perhaps only the week before, or perhaps longer.  The logical answer to the question of why his position towards Iran remains unchanged is that he believes Iran is still a threat.

And based on its language, its history of deception, its ideologically ruled government, its support of insurgents in Iran resulting in the deaths of US troops, its bizarre penchant for capturing and publicly parading foreigners, and the NIE’s conclusion that Iran continues to refine its enrichment technology in a way that would allow it to acquire nukes within three years if it chooses to; this is still a legitimate position.  And it’s even more important that diplomacy continue to be aggressively pursued.  For Bush to let the pressure off now would be a diplomatic mistake.

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By Grayer, December 5, 2007 at 1:30 am Link to this comment

How can any American truly support the notions of Iran when the “owner”, or current leader of Iran (which is the owner until more blood gets shed to get him out) comes to THE U.S. and makes the claim no Iranian is GAY, or the treatment of women is equal, and finishes with his vocal disgust of the U.S.?  Wake up.  This is not the 80’s anymore where one can actually believe a photo or video or news story they see on TV. You can’t.  You are a naive generation who has put there head in the ground because you are more worried about money (social security, oil, so on and so forth, when in fact most have been spending beyond there means for years) instead of freedom.  Heads Up. They don’t like us and the rules have changed.  Go visit Iran, see how you are treated (remember, other Americans have been going there for years, remember Daniel Pearl?).  Do you not listen to what they have done to the missionaries?  Did you not see them burn our flags on 9/11?  Has America become THAT vain that it actually believes we can make those who do not like the way we live more tolerant of us by defaming our own president.  We are being looked upon as a joke.  War is nothing any sane person desires, but nothing in life is free.  I love my country. More kids today love GEORGE BUSH because he gets it. Go to the schools, listen.  Life is different, this is not Vietnam. Instead of people quoting from previous media data, think for your self. Form an opinion. Research. Or better yet, go to Iran and do more hands on help.  In fact, bring all your anti-BUSH literature and tell them you did not want to go to war and you want to make nice.  Tell me how it goes!

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By thinkcritical, December 5, 2007 at 1:06 am Link to this comment

Sheer, you’re missing something really important about this story. George Bush can ignore the facts and march his lemmings off to war, because he’s the leader of the cult of “turning-off-your-mind.”  If you believe that nothing matters but short-term profit, or that nothing matters because Jesus is coming, or that nothing matters except killing off illegal aliens, then your mind is no longer open to facts. George doesn’t care about the facts and neither does his constituency.

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By republicanSScareme, December 5, 2007 at 12:34 am Link to this comment
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Calling George W. Bush a liar ia like calling a pig “Porky”. He is way befond the ‘liar’ tag; He’s firmly entrenched in the ‘psycho’ category.

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By QuyTran, December 4, 2007 at 11:57 pm Link to this comment

So who’s dishonet ?

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By waxman, December 4, 2007 at 11:39 pm Link to this comment

CAN BUSH EVEN PRONOUNCE ‘DICK CHENEY” RIGHT ?? SURE HAS TROUBLE WITH IRANIAN PRESIDENT ADOKMMUDHTISSKIER.

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By waxman, December 4, 2007 at 11:35 pm Link to this comment

REFRESH MY MEMORY PLEASE,  WHY DID THEY D.J.‘S MAINLY IN THE SOUTH, SMASH THE DIXIE CHICKS CD’S ???

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