Fisk, gives us his usual, anti-Zionist blather, without the slightest touch of reality.  For example, the great one observes:
“if Israel receives acknowledgement that it is indeed an Israeli state – and in reality, of course, it is – there can be no “right of return” for hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who fled (or whose families fled) what became Israel in 1948.”

Well of course not, just as there is no right of return for the 900,000 Jews who were expelled from Arab countries after 1948, or the 15,000,000 Germans who were expelled from Central and Eastern Europe after 1945, or the 6 million Muslims who fled India and the 8 million Hindus who fled Pakistan in 1947.  Nore is there a right of return for the Millions of Greeks, Arminians, and Assyrian Christians who were forcibly expelled from Turkey between 1914 and the 1920’s. 

Some of my ancestors, French Protestants, were expelled from France by Louis XIV, late in the 17th century.  I have not been offered a right of return to France.  Another ancestor was expelled from Scotland by Oliver Cromwell, and exiled to New Jersey.  Perhaps Mr. Fisk will talk the government of the UK to obtain my right of return.

Perhaps Mr. Fisk should commend to the Palestinians the virtues of living in a real world, rather than spending their lives in refugee camps, longing for the return of a miserable peasant hovel that their grandparents fled 60 years ago.

Whenever you hear someone trying to sell you an enemy, ask yourself how you are personally placed at risk by that supposed enemy.

You are, at present, persistently encouraged to regard North Korea, Iran, Syria, China, Russia, Venezuela, Hamas, the Taliban, the FARC, Hezbollah, the Shining Path, Somalia, Sudan, and Cuba - among others - as your enemies. Every mainstream news source, whatever its signature bias, shares this same list.

Ask yourself how you and yours are endangered by any of these entities. Ask yourself who made the list of your enemies and how those enemies earned a place on the list.

When you hear the phrase “radical Islam”, or “Islamo-fascist”, ask for definitions. Have you noticed that no one ever defines these terms? Have you noticed that you are expected, as a patriotic duty, to despise and to fear people you know little or nothing about?

As an instance, AmerIsrael interferes in Lebanon’s political affairs to the point of cluster-bombing the residential neighborhoods of “our” supposed political adversaries. Do you understand why this is necessary? What positive effect does this have on the wealth, health and security of you and yours? Shouldn’t you get some answers before you swear fealty to the ideologues - whoever they may be - who use your tax-funded resources to destroy the lives of people who mean you no harm?

The world is bewildered by the disconnect between the amiable Americans they meet, one on one, and the apparently mindless brutality of the policies of their government.

It is bewildering, isn’t it?

There is a nexus of forces somewhere that formulates long term national goals, that creates the narrative we are all meant to embrace. There is a little man behind the screen, somewhere.

The problem is that the great and powerful Oz is, in fact, great and powerful.

We have to start doing our own thinking, folks.

My enemies are the K Street revolving-door tassel-loafer crowd who work tirelessly to deny me and mine universal health care, and a living wage, and a secure retirement, and affordable education. Most social legislation is written by lobbyists working for corporate interests whose prime beneficiaries are their stockholders. Your elected representatives simply sign off on the dictates of their corporate handlers. All these people have health care and secure retirement. All these people can place their children in the best schools.

My enemies are the people devising strategies to undermine the constitutional liberties I have always taken for granted. At present - right now - your government has the legal authority to sweep you off the street or to bundle you out of your home and “disappear” you forever and with no trace. If you have used a telephone or the internet within the past few years, all of your communications have been monitored and stored in a government data base somewhere. If you have expressed dissenting opinions, as I am now, it is highly likely you are on a watch list as a potential threat to “homeland security”.

Why should I be reaching all the way to Lebanon, or Afghanistan, or Pyong Yang to find enemies to embrace? The immediate threats to my personal security can be found much closer to home.

WR Curley
Elizabeth, Colorado

Robert Fisk calls into question the Annapolis peace summit’s efforts to bring peace to Palestine as Hamas sit this one out.

  Hamas is the elected representative of Palestinian voters and hence can only be seen as absent for the Annapolis summit due to US bias towards Isralei militants in Gaza and the West Bank.

  While labeled “terrorist” Hamas are wearing uniforms and defending their people who elected them for this task. They are soldiers , like any other, with weapons that kill and eyes to aim them.

  The difference between Hamas and the IDF is clearly seen as spiritual. The IDF is an occupation army with no mandate for their opposition save from the zionist racists in Israel. The nations and peoples of the Arab Legue, the vast majority of Israelis and most Americans, Russians, Pakistanis, Chinese, South Americans,American Indians, and virtually every free thinking human mind is in favor of kicking Israel out of the occupied terri tories for good and sending Israeli settlers back to their lairs in Israel.

  The backing of Hamas is spiritual, Physical and intractable while the Zionist dreamers are temporal,hateful and hated by every beating heart with a soul. The Occupation of Palestine is seen by loving and compassionate people as the work of psychopaths in IDF uniforms with no real war to fight , so they create an enemy in Hamas and descend on them like a plague of racist hate. This is not self defense but self immolation for Israel as the world turns it’s wrath on the perpetrators of lies, murder and ethnic cleansing that has resulted in Israel becoming an apartheid state.

Sorry…meant to address this post to Mr Fisk.

Mr Sirota’s analysis is oddly naive.

Hamas enjoyed a brief electoral victory, which ought to have given them political control over the ragged remnants of the Palestinian entity, and hence the right to designate the spokesman for the Palestinian people. Their electoral victory was instead nullified in concerted military assaults by the forces of the PLO, backed - in what is surely among the most bizarre twists in modern diplomacy - by the US and Israel. As an answer to the BushCo assertion that our prime mission is to “democratize” the Mid-east, Israel jailed some forty of the duly elected Hamas parliamentarians and quarantined the Hamas-dominated Gaza strip.

So we have a situation in which the “official” spokesman for the Palestinians, so anointed by AIPAC and the Zionists, has participated in a coup against the majority will of the people he is purported to represent.

Does Mr Sirota seriously suggest that anyone close to the situation did not see this tawdry Annapolis exercise as anything but domestic political theatre? The target audience here is the American public; no one in the afflicted region buys a line of it.

Mr Olmert foolishly asserts - in essence - that commingling the Palestinian and Israeli peoples into one multiethnic state would destroy the Zionist nation. Well, duh.

In this pronouncement - intended, one supposes, to appall a trembling world - he signals that the “right of return” is forever off the table. The “right of return” binds the Palestinians into the same sort of nationalist myth that “Zionism” binds the Israelis. The competing claims for sovereignty over Jerusalem are similarly self-sanctified and obdurate. Mr Olmert affirms that these two fiercely counter-poised ethnic belief structures are entirely antithetical. In short, there will never be a reconciliation.

There could some day be peace, certainly, but it will be the peace of the dead. Someone’s going to lose, utterly. Absent a concerted Arab/Muslim will to confront the massed power of the US and Israel, the Palestinians can look forward to their own trail of tears.

The permanent presence of a US military mission in the region guarantees - explicitly - that there will never be a unified Arab/Muslim power. 

The Israeli political strategy has been both remarkably disciplined and remarkably effective for some sixty years, now…Just keep stalling. With the continued material and military backing of the West, Israel will eventually force the Palestinian people and the tattered remnants of their aspirations to melt away into history.

The only likely role avilable to Syria and Iran in this drama will be to host the diaspora of a defeated Arab people.

Let’s not kid ourselves.

WR Curley
Elizabeth, Colorado

The Israel Lobby , yesterday, ordered Bush to resind his UN resolution on peace negotiations for Palestine. Bush caved in and obeyed. Israel clearly does not want peace but war throughout the middle east, as God commanded them.

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lilmamzer, you are like a broken record: you are boring.  Why don’t you take a long vacation in Israel.”

Ad hominem attacks don’t add anything to the discussion. At least lilmamzer was addressing the substance of idrees’s comments. Yours do nothing of the kind.

LILMAMY:
baby before you go critisizing the saudi’s about that one rape victim lashing ( FOR the millionth time since last 2 weeks over these pages) how about you trying to own up to the 70,000 East European women you “CHOSEN PEOPLE” are holding in BROTHEL SLAVERY in TEL AVIV, Now try and remember that thought in your lil Zionist mind for more than 3 seconds so that you can think about it and try to THINK ...

ALWAYS REMEMBER that JEWS were persecuted IN EUROPE and out of tht GUILT EURopeonS WERE williNG TO GiVe YoU A LAND TO GEt RID OF YOU ALL AND YOU ALL CHOSE TO MESS UP ARAB LIVES FOR YOUR PROFIT.
AND THEN IT WAS YOU THE ZIONISTS/KAZARS that showed up at the ARAB DOORSTEPS TO RAPE/ PILLAGE/ OCCUPY/ STEAL/ BULLDOZE/ CONFISCATE/ and what not and now through your ZIONIST MAMA BRAINWASHED LIL MIND you claim “perpetual INNOCENCE” and “SINCE FOREVER RIGHTS TO THAT LAND” . REMEMBER BABY ISRAEL DID NOT EXIST BEFORE 1948, if your ISRAELI TEXT BOOKS USED To SaY OTHERWISE it was a LIE that has been corrected and those text books were corrected LAST YEAR AND if you read those text books a few years back then do let me inform you “THE TEXT BOOK LIES BEEN CHANGED, THE UNO FORCED THAT”

AND YES DESPUTE YOUR TYPICAL LIAR ZIONIST DENIALS AND REPITATIONS OF LIES THE WORLD DOES ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HAMAS WON THE ELECTIONS THAT MOSSAD FAILED TO RIG AND THE LEADERS THAT MOSSAD FAILED TO KILL BY AERIAL MISSILE STRIKES AND DECEITFUL ASSINATIONS DID WIN.

I REMeMBER OLIVIA NEWTON JOHN HaD A SONG “LYING NEVEr DID NOBODY NO GOOD” ......... lol

LILMAMY GO AND TRY TO LOOSE THAT DIRTY LITTLE LYING ZIONIST BRAINWASH YOUR MAMA GAVE YOU

ALSO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT ISRAEL PROVED TO THE AMERICANS THAT IT IS TERRORIST BY KILLING RACHEL CORRIE, before her cold blooded murder the Americans were in a fools paradise basking in the ZIONIST MEDIA THAT DOES NOTHING BUT REPEAT LIES, JUST LIKE YOU.
AND YES ISrAEL IS A TERROR STATE LOOK AT THE GROSS MILITARIZATION, the Amount of weapons it purchases per year, what do you think they are for, for decorating flowers in them to please the people and population? NOPE THEY ARE TO TRY AND TERRORISE EVERYONE INTO SUBMISSION. and it has failed for the last 60 years.
LILMAMY , you an call everyone a loser and me too BUT ACTUALLY YOU GUYS BEEN LOSING SINCE THE LAST 60 years or there would have been peace since long. so go figure, and NAMECALLING is a typical and petty ZIONIST TACTIC.
AND YES DEMOCRATICLLY ELECTED HAMAS SHOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED TO THE TABLE BUT SINCE IT HAS BEEN NOT ......  so you will see the fruits of this STUPIDITY in the COMMING YEARS LIKE YOU BEEN SEEING THE RESULTS OF PAST STUPIDITIES IN THE PAST YEARS.. MAYBE ITS “CHOSEN PEOPLE who can never learn” ......... now go practice firing weapons at some ISRAELI CAMP SITE and sing wierdo songs.

A clinical narcissist’s Bad Boundaries. Bush reverberates with them in speech, behavior and actions. Any wonder then that…

U.S. pulls U.N. Middle East draft disliked by Israel
By Patrick Worsnip

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The United States withdrew on Friday a draft U.N. resolution endorsing action agreed at this week’s Annapolis Middle East peace conference, a document Israeli officials said they felt was <u>inappropriate</u>.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsMaps/idUSN3024981420071130

To all of you “regular” bloggers,

I understand, totally, why & how it is that you guys see me as a “fringe” contributor.  I acknowledge, and accept, that determination. But, as I, sometimes, try to contribute to the discussion(s), and think you should check out this site:
C:The Rothschild Bloodline.htm (and “see” the “light”!)
Don’t think it’s worth the “click”?  Fine.  If you have to time to “click”, you won’t be disappointed.

Take a good long hard look at the map of Israel.  In 47 the people in charge of Israels security were looking at it and saying, “how can we secure these preposterous borders, the west bank is a huge bite out of our side, our land should extend to the Jordan river” and thus they are making it so.

lilmamzer, you are like a broken record: you are boring.  Why don’t you take a long vacation in Israel.

Deja Vu plusier fois que trois fois!

Yes this is the repeat of the same scenario that Israelis been arranging for ages ( almost every year with many a US president but every so many years)  trying to rig their way into international community but unfortunately the world has a longer memory span than most Israelis anticipate.
Actually its typically childish of the ZIONIST regime to think that by inviting to the table the people that they like and the people they can coerce into submission they would be achieving something, had that worked the palestinain issue would have been long gone ages ago but the Israeli follies in diplomacy and then graver follies in action continue to give the problems a longer and much longer life.
By trying to ignore the Elected governement of HAMAS if they think they will be able to get somewhere then they are just fooling themselves as they been doing for years. Yes LIES are self satifying but they dont really get you anywhere. Maybe they’ll learn someday.
Also they always fail to report thier Nuclear arms which number more than 300 warheads and which they would be using in the near future to hold the world hostage by now blackmailing the world instead of just blackmailing and harrassing the American Politicians, its just the process that they want to follow for their weird fascination with total world domination through deceit and blackmail.

Understand it like this,

there is going to be a meeting about MY HOUSE and how to improve IT and I was never invited or rather I was told to stay away, so tell me what is going to be the outcome? do you expect that to be a realistic solution to anything ?

Ok, now imagine the same situation on any of you, your house & you are not allowed into the meeting .....

For those of you who are going what is he blabbering about, what I am trying to say is currently the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE OF MOST OF PALESTINIAN AREAS IS HAMAS, which the US govt doesnt like for the reasons of its allegiance to ZiONISM and if you dismiss them that is kind of stupid.

You are never going to get realistic or reliable results or outcomes till you do HONESTLY try to mediate, instead what WASHINGTON has been trying to do for ages was bring in the faction that suits them to get the results they been desiring ( a fixed game), that works to a degree but never perfectly, had it worked the palestinian issue would have died a long time ago but in this year its the 60th year, So goes the story.

This is going to be just another meeting in a long line of meeting and nothing more, its an attempt by the leadership to somehow get itself declared as the “peacemakers” and maybe try and wring out an Nobel Peace prize to salvage the wasted 8 years in office.

And who knows maybe the game is fixed to the degree that the Nobel Peace prize has already been promised, I mean look at Mr Blair after warmongering and warcrimes he still did get a UNO job so i do not think that it is impossible that GWB might be the Nobel peace prize winner for the next year, I mean after there was a meeting and its in the papers and who knows who how succesful the “journalists” on cnn and fox are going to declare it and that is the only thing that matters, coz the rest of the media and the people surely do not at all count.

THE TRUTH NEVER WAS PERTINENT TO ANYTHING, or at least we can see from the IRAQ war and the rapes of US female soldiers that’s been covered up and we are suposed to believe that these rapists are going to be LIBERATORS.

WOW!

Mr Fisk sadly you have exactly right.What a mess the middle east is going to be for the next President.