#116149 by Fempatriot on 11/26: “(3) The US government allowed factories in the USA (beginning with steel mills back in the 60s & 70s) to move overseas and hire slave labor….”

You are quite correct, Fempatriot, except for this point. The US government didn’t “allow” factories in the USA to move overseas, they voted with their feet! Whether it was desertion or rank opportunism or desperation, the effect was the same, of course.

Strangely, this also has some positive side-benefits. One is that there will be no war with China. Another is that China still depends on the US domestic market and there is a mutual benefit there.

Don’t forget that Americans would not currently be able to afford their own manufactured goods or be able to maintain the living standards that they do now have if it were not for the “slave labor” in China and elsewhere in Asia.

The real downside is that the USA is continually ‘shooting itself in the foot’ by forcing up oil prices with its imperative for maintaining never-ending conflicts in the Middle East (West Asia). That flows directly into increased production costs in China as well as in the USA….....

Yes we can thank LBJ for putting into place Head Start, food stamps, work study, Medicare and Medicaid.
All these programs do exist, were great programs, today, BUT and that is a big BUT the Bush Administration has just about done away with ALL of it!  They have sabatoged our Public School system trying to put in it’s place School Vouchers and they are trying hard to dismantle Social Security.  AND I’m very sure if it wouldn’t benifit the GOP they wouldn’t be working so hard to get rid of it and put something very inferior in it’s place.

In the first picture we can obviously see our Mr. President coaxing that turkey to him (which says HE instigated it).  Then in the second picture it looks like the impeachable offense of “high crimes and misdemeanors” of the Bill Clinton variety.  I say IMPEACH!

And the last one.  Don’t know why I couldn’t post them all together like I originally want to send it.

- Project Vote Smart - Representative *Kucinich* - *Voting Record*<
http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=318>

- Dennis *Kucinich* on the *Issues*
<http://www.ontheissues.org/Dennis_Kucinich.htm>
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Here’s another one:

- Project Vote Smart - Senator *Clinton* - *Voting Record*
<http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=55463>

- Hillary *Clinton* on the *Issues*
<http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton.htm>
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OK here they come one at a time:

Project Vote Smart - Senator *Obama* - *Voting Record*
<http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490>

- Barack *Obama* on the *Issues*
<http://ontheissues.org/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm>
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I was inluding all the links to the voting records of all the top canditates, Obama, Edwards. Clinton, Kucinich.  If this comes through it’ll only contain Edwards, but I have the rest and they are very interesting.

Out_Of_The_Frying_Pan
Voting records & issues of
Edwards- Obama -Clinton - Kucinich

Voting records. PLEASE take the time to read and compare!

- Project Vote Smart - *Edwards* - *Voting Record*
http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=21107

- John *Edwards* on the *Issues*
http://www.ontheissues.org/John_Edwards.htm

#115467 by Dominick J. on 11/24 at 8:01 am: “You are not authorized to perform this action…”

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Quote: ” This weekend, however, two largely overlooked news items—one about unexpected financial issues that some wounded American veterans face and another about hunger in New York City—tell a different story….”

Well, there is now another news item, Bush. Since the Australian federal election Saturday, you are the only remaining Neocon leader on the planet. The Bush-Blair-Howard evil Anglo-Saxon triumvirate has been cut to its minimum with the fall from grace of fellow Neocon, little Johnny Howard. You only have your French Sarko poodle and the Saudi oil king to rely on now…....

Bush said, ” if they dont have turkey, let them eat steak”. Now that is progress.

KenDen If our country stays on a Republican Conservative path then YES is the answer your question. Thanksgiving will be a thing from the past, juts like all the other things Republicans want to get rid of!  You must also be weary, very weary, of a person who calls himself/herself a “compasionate” Conservative—-There Is NO such thing!!!

We used to be the number one nation in the world in terms of quality of life issues.  We have fallen sharply in the last 20 years.  We are now number 34 in logevity.  We are way down on the list for infant mortality rates, as well as the per capita rates for the major killing illnesses and chronic illnesses mainly due to the lack of universal health care.  I don’t think that the public in general is aware of how much we have declined in the last 2 decades.  That decline has excellerated under the Turkey in Chief.

I have a question.  If our country falls into the abyss of dictatorship, as some are predicting, will we still celebrate Thanksgiving?  Just wondering.

I must say that the problem of hunger has been with us even before this fraud who calls himself a leader and our president, but it has steadily gotten worse under his uncaring and incompetent leadership. The poor treatment of veterans he can take ownership of. No president before him would dream of fighting a war and completely forget the needs of the fighting men.

ALL Bush’s pardons have been Turkeys!

The United States is a great place to live.  It’s the leaders You choose to run it.  Wake up and change the leadership to a more Democratic and just one.  Conservatism, alone, just doesn’t work here.
We need programs to help the working poor, MAKE those fat rich Cats pay their fair share and to get those that Reagan threw out of hospitals, during his reign, back to where they can get off the streets and get the help they need.

When ever anyone hear that are taxes are going to be raised STOP fretting!  We need taxes to help pay for the things we need!  Only thing is ALL of us have to pay even the rich.
I love this from Oliver Wendal Holmes Hope you do too:

THE FOLLOWING IS FROM OLIVER WENDELL HOLMES
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Why do I have to pay taxes?
Oliver Wendell Holmes, former Justice of the United States Supreme Court, said,

“Taxes are what we pay for a civilized society.” In some respects, a “civilized society” is the rationale for government in the first place. The signers of the Declaration of Independence set out to establish a new form of government for the “protection of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”. To this end, the framers of our constitution enumerated the proper fiscal functions of government as “to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States”. Taxes are simply the preferred method for paying for these governmental functions, the other methods being the issuance of public debt and the issuance of money.”

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Dear Friends and Family,
We need our Public schools, we need Social Security, we need a Medical/Health Insurance for ALL of us!  We need things only paying taxes will get us and that is everything this Republican Congress is willing to take away from us and give us back NOTHING!  The Only thing this government is saving by NOT allowing us to pay taxes are the RICH people in this country, while the working poor bcome more POOR!
We need Democratics in the WHITE HOUSE with a plan to TAKE BACK what we had and what we want! 
If you have a Democratic Club in your area JOIN it!
Start voting in Progressive Democrats, not rubberstamping GOPers or RepublicCrats!
Dominick

#Quote: “The military is allegedly demanding that thousands of wounded service personnel give back signing bonuses because they are unable to serve out their commitments….. one in six New Yorkers, cannot afford enough food, with queues at soup kitchens getting longer,” according to anti-poverty groups based in New York.  What’s more, some of the city’s food distribution outlets were unable to serve turkey dinners Thursday because of drastic cuts to federal food supplies…”

#115209 by David on 11/22 at 7:37 pm: “Not even grateful this Thanksgiving to the forbears who gave you your unearned bounty…”

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

What a sick society with its Macey’s parade of gigantic balloons - and endless increasing suffering and povery. The haves and the unwanted have-nots. Such trashy hypocrisy!

And your politcal fools all in outdated suits and ties of their grandfathers’ generation…...... no wonder that turkey “decided” to peck Bush’s pecker!!!!!! Wake up, America….... (land of the drowsy, uhh)