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Driving the Masses MadPosted on Nov 8, 2007WASHINGTON—It’s official: Bush Derangement Syndrome is now a full-blown epidemic. George W. Bush apparently has reduced more of his fellow citizens to frustrated, sputtering rage than any other president since opinion polling began, with the possible exception of Richard Nixon. That should be a pretty good indicator of where Bush will rank when historians get their hands on his shameful record—in the cellar, alongside the only president who ever had to resign in disgrace. A new Gallup Poll released this week showed that 64 percent of Americans disapprove of how the Decider is doing his job. That sounds bad enough—nearly two-thirds of the country thinks its leader is incompetent. But when you look more closely at the numbers, you see that Bush’s abysmal report card—only 31 percent of respondents approve of the job he’s doing—actually overstates our regard for his performance. According to Gallup, if you lump together the Americans who “strongly” approve of Bush as president with those who only “moderately” feel one way or the other about him, you end up with about half the population. That leaves a full 50 percent who “strongly disapprove” of Bush—as high a level of intense repudiation as Gallup has ever seen in its decades of polling. Gallup has been asking the “strongly disapprove” question since the Lyndon Johnson administration. The only time the polling firm has measured such strong give-this-guy-the-hook sentiment was in February 1974, at the height of the Watergate scandal, when Nixon’s “strongly disapprove” number was measured at 48 percent. Bush beats him by a nose, but the margin of error makes the contest for “Most Reviled President, Modern Era” a statistical tie. The Gallup Poll found that among Bush’s shrinking Republican base, he has unusually strong support. Independents, though, have joined Democrats in the Bush Derangement Syndrome clinic: They, too, “strongly disapprove” of the job the president is doing. Bush didn’t come by this distinction with help from family connections or the Supreme Court. No, he earned it. Look at the situation Bush’s successor will inherit. Throughout much of the world, the United States is seen as an arrogant bully whose rhetoric about freedom and the rule of law is disgracefully empty. The lawyers and students who are being tear-gassed in the streets of Pakistan’s cities will long remember that when push came to shove, Bush chose to stick with a cooperative dictator, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, rather than live up to his words about the universal value of democracy. The next president will be left with more than 100,000 U.S. troops still bogged down in Iraq, with an unfinished war in Afghanistan—and, between those two crises, a strengthened and emboldened Iran that hopes to dominate the world’s most dangerous region. Nice work. Bush’s successor will, incredibly, assume control of a United States government that interrogates terrorist suspects with “enhanced” techniques known throughout the world by a much simpler term: torture. The new commander in chief will almost surely take custody of hundreds of people detained without formal charges, on questionable evidence, and held for years in secret CIA prisons or at Guantanamo. The next president will take over a government that claims the right to eavesdrop on U.S. citizens without meaningful judicial oversight. Whoever takes office in January 2009 will be left with a more polarized economy—an America where the rich have been made richer during the last six years with generous tax cuts, while 40 million people struggle without health insurance. The new president will be left with a government that not only failed miserably in its response to the most extensive natural disaster the nation has ever faced, but also reneged on Bush’s pledge to build a better New Orleans—and make it possible for all those who lived in the city to return. The next occupant of the White House will find the nation’s coffers depleted by Bush’s wars—the price tag doubtless will have reached $1 trillion by Inauguration Day—and by whatever it eventually costs to keep the housing market afloat. He or she will inherit, in short, a dismal mess. It will take most of the new president’s first term to begin to set things right. It’s easy to understand why Americans have come to think of George W. Bush as the worst president in memory, perhaps one of the worst ever. What’s hard to fathom is how we’ll make it through the next 14½ months. But who’s counting. Eugene Robinson’s e-mail address is eugenerobinson(at)washpost.com. © 2007, Washington Post Writers Group TAGS:
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By David's back, December 12, 2007 at 1:05 am #
All I got was $27 and a Fodors, even your tourists are broke. Still it was nice to see the fear in they’re eyes, now a couple of septics know how it feels to be under the hammer. Good luck with gaining your independence from the mentally sick, if the Supreme Court lets you. Me I’m singing Scotland the brave (they built the world you know, only I read it in a book, by a septic) they are certainly better at running things than Texans or KBR. They are also British Just like me so no prob’s there. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. TICK TOCK TICK TOCK TICK TOCK, c’mon Yank get those fat Jabba fingers working, TICK TOCK TICK.
Report thisBy The Village Idiot, December 11, 2007 at 2:25 pm #
Seeing as how it took you a month to come up with a response to my post (#113095), which I summarily shot full of holes, and that your response to that was to degenerate into foaming-at-the-mouth name calling, I’d say you’re a troll, probably unintentionally but that’s a distinction without a difference. Oh, and if you’re in England, good luck with gaining your independence from Scotland, heheheheh…
Report thisBy David's back, December 11, 2007 at 7:33 am #
Yeah right, you replaced half, repeat half of your congress and what has changed? NOTHING.
Report thisBlairs gone and the UK is getting out of Iraq. UK residents locked up in your own little Gulag Archipelago are on their way out and the UK is distancing itself from the loony’s across the pond. Not to worry though as now loonyland is in bed with the cheese eaters, gee how times change, maybe you’re surrender, monkeys now.
You live in a pathetic nation, despised by the world, where the fate of one foetus is more important than the lives of millions, where a bronze age book runs the lives of a vast amount of nasty, vicious, little inbreds who spout so called Christianity whilst packing guns and practicing virulent racism and intolerance. World opinion is against you and yours not me and mine, get used to it.
Your fuckwit president and his Dr Strangelove VP et al have set the world back years, restarted the cold war, put your nation in hock up to it’s eyeballs, created Vietnam Mk II and caused you to be despised. Don’t worry though the Albanians still love you.
Oh yeah, the two million marchers were in London alone (you know the city that is now the worlds leading financial centre as less and less want to touch NY, wonder why?). I don’t know the figures for the rest of the nation, undoubtedly they were vast too. I know for a fact that they were large in Australia, another nation that suffered from a dick head PM until recently, and what did the new PM announce as soon as he was in office, Ozzy combat troops will be pulled out of Iraq. Seems no one wants to play with Uncle Sam anymore, ahh, maybe it’s his sense of fashion, all those stupid stars and stripes yuck! You’ll have to push on with American Somoa, Guam etc what a world beating combination.
And get this, that small group (which isn’t so small)of extremists that you refer to are Americans, hear it, Americans. Not British, French, Greek, Mongolian or creatures from another dimension but A M E R I C A N S, and whilst millions of their fellow Americans may not agree with them, there is no doubt that on the other hand Millions do. Although of course you will now probably split even more hairs and say ‘ahh but how do you know it’s millions’. I also have never patted myself on the back for anything in my life, neither am I a smug, self opinionated no lifer who spends his days scouring the Internet for an argument. Nor do I get my figures from Fox though you seem to be rather cosy with them.
The clock is now running, and since you have nothing else in your life, lets see if you can break your own record and reply before I’ve even posted. Me I’m off out, gonna find me a couple of septic tank (yank) tourists and mug them. Bye Y’all.
Tick, tock, tick, tock,,,
By The Village Idiot, December 10, 2007 at 4:25 pm #
So 2 million out of close to 61 million marched for peace in Great Britain, congratulations to them, and to your ability to count heads in a crowd. There were similar very large protests/marches all across the US before the war, which is the first time in history a war has been protested before it began (as I’ve said). People like to criticize our media, especially Fox news, but then figures cited by that same media (as you put it: “90% of you were rooting for war and baying for blood and hailing that retard you call a president”) are suddenly accurate when they can be used to help you make your point, since we all know that figures don’t lie but liars figure.
You like to switch back and forth between referring to a population or to its government, depending on what suits whichever spurious argument you’re trying to make. You pat yourself on the back for being from a place where 2 million people marched for peace, yet YOUR country still went to war anyway (and that’s what really counts, isn’t it?). Millions marched for peace here as well, yet you blame all Americans for this war that was dreamt up and started by a small group of extremists within our government who’ve usurped way too much power. In our midterm elections we also booted a bunch of republicans from Congress, eliminating their majority like the UK did to Blair’s party, but it didn’t do much good here either. Seems both of our populations are in the same boat, eh?
Therefore, in your previous statements you are just the pot calling the kettle black.
Report thisBy David's back, December 10, 2007 at 1:38 pm #
VILLAGE IDIOT
This particular pot is not black. This particular pot comes from a country where approx 90% were against the war, and not the opposite as in the USA’s case. this particular pot comes from a country where 2 million marched for peace, and where virtually the only person who wanted the damn thing was that prick Blair who refused to listen to the people. As a result his 150 or so seat majority was cut down to 6o or so at the next election, and he was gone before the the one after that.
This particular pot comes from a country that no longer has or wants an empire, unlike your country which not only strives to build one but also believes in Full Spectrum Dominance, and apparantly won’t be happy until it has nukes hovering in orbit.
This particular pot comes from a country that yes had the biggest empire ever, and yes subjugated millions with the resultant death and destruction that goes with such. It also fought the superpowers of the various eras in order to get it, sometimes even taking parts of it from them (Spain then France). Unlike the USA which fought the smallest powers, or fought by proxy to get its. This country unlike yours at least had the balls to say ‘we build empires’ instead of claiming to be anti imperialistic whilst quietly building one on the side.
This country at least has a democracy (of sorts) where it’s the people who decide and not a stacked supreme court and fucking Fox news.
This particular pot read of a letter, so what, I’ve also read of the US Constitution although I’ve never seen that either, so I guess it doesn’t exist then. Hey come to think of it, it doesn’t anymore, the retard tore it up and you all sat back and watched him.
Oh and splitting hairs and semantics, refer to last paragraph, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
DOUGLAS CHALMERS
Regarding the Opium wars, you’re absolutely right.
Regarding Afganistan, since the US led invasion that country now produces an estimated 85% of the worlds heroin. British forces have led the effort to stop it and right now in Helmund they are leading a battle against the biggest poppy production centre in Taliban hands.
As for the Asians wanting and eventually having north Australia, they can have it, no problem. Don’t think they’ll like it much though as its pretty much like the moon, that’s why all those Chinese, Portugese, Dutch etc who you refer too didn’t stay in the first place. In fact the Asians are already here except it’s in the south east and south west they settled just like the majority of the population.
Regarding Hong Kong. They lined up in the hundreds of thousands to try and get UK citizenship when they realised time was running out, must have been a result of all those years of oppressive British rule that made them want to escape the future with their own race. Must have been all those years of Oppressive British rule that turned them into one of Asia’s richest city’s too. Oh well at least they are not in the situation where they have to build casino’s to make a living because they are treated like dirt in there own country.
Report thisBy felicity, November 12, 2007 at 8:22 pm #
#112545
Boy, do I agree. I’ll add that perhaps we Americans should vote for nobody. Guess what? An election was held and nobody voted. How would that be interpreted? How about if we all stopped paying our federal taxes? We do have an incredible amount of power at our finger tips: The only catch is we have to wield it collectively.
I would also add that the office of the presidency has, at this point in time, the power of a dictator, a despot, a satrap, an emperor. He or she is only one of many but the power he or she can wield now is almost unlimited. The clock is ticking.
Report thisBy Ga, November 12, 2007 at 5:23 pm #
Yanks, You are all bloody hypocrites, it was only a few years ago that 90% of you were rooting for war and baying for blood and hailing that retard you call a president.
Yes, David, the American people are fickle. They are—and you can tell by many of the comments here—ignorant and selfish, caring only about instant gratification and appearences of strength and intelligence; calm discourse is beyond them; the learning of history bothersome to them, football stats are their forte.
Americans are not just ignorant of other cultures, other countries, other peoples, they take pride in their ignorance, as they will tell you, again and again, how they are the greatest culture/country/people in existence, so why bother learning about you?
Their television media produces millions of hours of infantile, ass-swinging, tit-swaying, fire-ball induced mayhem and violence on a scale that boggles the mind yet millions more of them will “vote” for it than their President. It is also replete with fallacial, myth-reinforcing and physics-defying lunacy called “CSI” that those millions get their “edukation” from.
We, as I am currently, and sadly, one of them (soon to be “was” one of them) are a doomed lot.
You think Iraq is bad? You think things can’t get worse? Alas, there are 14 more months of utter lunacy left to the retard President we has.
Report thisBy The Village Idiot, November 12, 2007 at 1:57 pm #
“Village Idiot;
You want to remember that if there had been no British Empire then there would be no USA, at least as we know it. Your language, much of your culture and your systems of law, politics etc,etc,etc were inherited from or profoundly influenced by the UK. Many of your nations ancestors were empire builders. My ancestors stayed at home however, what about yours?
Of course maybe you would prefer to be a Cheese eater as no doubt that would have been the alternative”
Even if those statements were true, what do they have to do with anything? Speculation about historical “what ifs” is just that- speculation. I was just pointing out that your tirade (assuming it was yours) about American “hypocrisy” was a case of “the pot calling the kettle black.” Semantic hair-splitting does not change this fact.
BTW, my ancestors came to the US from Norway two generations ago, LONG after we, as vikings, quit pillaging the British Isles and also long after the American Revolution thing had been settled. Every people gets its chance to be the international jerks, it seems, so accusing a nation of doing the same things your own nation does both now and historically is what’s hypocritical, that’s all. Yes, y’all got rid of Blair, so what? It would have been a useful gesture to have done so in 2003, not 2007. Also, I’m not from Texas; the entire Southeast uses that term (y’all), and I just find it easier/quicker than other words that mean the same thing (actually, I’m not even from the Southeastern US at all).
Lastly, this statement you wrote was troubling: “I once read of a letter from a Vietnamese to an Indian friend, the gist of which was that he thought the Indian should be thankful for having been colonised by the UK, as at least they were left with railways, factories, docks, modern cities and a system of government. Whereas all the French left the Vietnamese were brothels. “
Ok, so, you once read “of” this letter, but not the actual letter? If a letter like that has actually ever been written, I hope it was a joke. Seriously, that sentiment is equivalent to saying “since we were going to be raped anyway, at least it was better to be raped by that gang than this gang because that gang left some money on the table afterwards.” I doubt the authenticity of such a letter because it implies that being colonized and then abandoned was felt to be some kind of historic inevitability, and I doubt the people’s who were colonized felt that way about it (evidenced by all the insurgencies within colonial history).
We’re all in this together, and we’re all to blame. Humanity will finally be as one when we’re all starving together, and at that point we’ll understand that all these “us vs. them” divisions are delusions, but it will be too late.
Report thisBy Conservative Yankee, November 12, 2007 at 1:33 pm #
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“Its easy to understand why Americans have come to think of George W. Bush as the worst president in memory, perhaps one of the worst ever.”
Lets say it again!
“Its easy to understand why Americans have come to think of George W. Bush as the worst president in memory, perhaps one of the worst ever.”
Who could disagree, BUT the same poll found the “American people” (I assume Mr. Robinson means US citizens) give the congress they elected (to clean this mess) even worse numbers. 9% that’s right, only 9% “approve” of the job congress is doing.
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112607 by Gomerspile on 11/09 at 12:57 pm
Can you DAVID tell me how many wars we started, and how many we lost,after the liberals started trying to run the business of war,taking it away from the same ones the gop and the dems sent there,Vietnam was a political screw-up,as was the Middle East, and Korea,The names Kennedy,Johnson,Clinton come to mind
You forgot Eisenhower, The Dullas brothers, and Truman. There is enough dirt there to bury every politician elected to anything after WW II.
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112601 by driving bear on 11/09 at 12:00 pm
“I hate to break it to you but here is the truth of American presidential politics.”
I hate to break it to you, but as a former Republican myself, I see a far different political landscape this time. During the Vietnam war I saw the people angry…. on the coasts and around Chicago, but they were not as enraged as they are this year. During Vietnam “conservatives” stayed with the war effort. The economy was doing well, people had jobs, and the housing crisis of today was unthinkable. The cost of the basics, (3 hots and a warm cot) was within reach of ANY US worker.
The debt-ridden, unpopular, credibility-challenged USA we are leaving our children and grandchildren SHOULD make even the staunchest Republican conservative mad. I’m absolutely DONE with any party, political, or political philosophy which allows US citizens to go on with their lives, making money, taking vacations, and acquiring toys, while our service folk fight in some backwater sink-hole. Further I reserve the same revulsion for a president any president, who fights a war with credits from a potential enemy and real competitor.
Report thisBy Douglas Chalmers, November 11, 2007 at 5:32 am #
#112768 by David’s back on 11/10 at 10:05 am: “...for myself I believe that India/Vietnam would have been better off without the grief….....
Even my Aussie brother in law, a country with a definite love hate relationship with the UK, admits that if the UK had not claimed Australia then someone else would have .....He has also conceded that he’s glad it was the Brit’s, as he is quite happy with the way Oz is, and it would not have been the same if another had claimed it….”
You admit that “India/Vietnam would have been better off without the grief”, David, but you still want to go back to your old argument - with respect to another country. This is typical pretentious English colonialist garbage, uhh.
To quote #112807 by DennisD, “You can keep voting for the same frauds that the corporations prop up for you if you like….. But don’t f**king complain afterwards….”. The same applies to Australians who foolishly voted themselves out of the chance for a republic in a referendum a decade ago and back to being the English queen’s “subjects” by having her as empress of Australia. More cringing colonial garbage!
Again, the descendants of Anglo-Saxon migrants are as blind (or more so) as their British ancestors. The French, the Dutch, the Portuguese, the Spanish, the Indonesians, the Arabs and the Chinese all had the possibility of occupying Australia in total or in various parts. The North of Australia was destined to be Asian and eventually will be. The English colonization is a mere temporary historical anomaly.
To paraphrase #112790 by justaguy, I wonder how many ‘English’ disapprove because they are unhappy at “losing” their empire. Thus you English misinterpret or misunderstand other nations because you continually see them through the fantasy prism of a past glorious exploitative hegemonic empire. That is the same farcical attitude which has befallen the USA today as it grapples with its presumptiousness in compulsively maintaining a stranglehold on the nations of the world.
Does anyone really think that these diverse peoples are “happy” to have things that way - or that they would even prefer another hegemonic colonialist repressive regime to force itself upon them? I don’t think the people of Hong Kong would agree with you any more than they agreed with the PRC rulership in BeiJing since 1997. After all, it was the “British” who fostered the devastating opium drug trade in China!
Report thisBy DennisD, November 10, 2007 at 7:29 pm #
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I don’t believe anyone posting on this page believes there’s dimes worth of difference between a Repug and a Dim anymore. We’re on the highway to hell with either one driving. The Repugs just have us in the fast lane while the Dims are playing catchup real fast.
This is “Rollerball” people, corporate control of what is left to pass for as the governments of the world. Never before in the history of this country have so many people been disgusted with “both” parties. Why - because Toto pulled the curtain back and exposed this government for not only what it’s done but hasn’t done. Everyone knows we’ve been lied to about the war, Katrina and who knows how many other things and yet what’s happened, not a damn thing.
Now is the time for a strong third party candidate to be more than a spoiler. If anyone thinks that by voting third, fourth or whatever party to change what’s happening is throwing your vote away, you’re part of the problem. You might as well stay home on election day. You can keep voting for the same frauds that the corporations prop up for you if you like. But don’t f**king complain afterwards.
Report thisBy justaguy, November 10, 2007 at 5:25 pm #
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Hmmm, I wonder how many disapprove because a) they are unhappy at “losing” the war in Iraq or b) that they consider the Bush admin. incompetent (as opposed to evil in intent).
They are not losing in Iraq, Balkanization and total destruction was always the intent, and they are far from incompetent in achieving their aims. Criminally insane yeas. Incompetent no.
Report thisBy karim29007, November 10, 2007 at 4:51 pm #
As the constitution was used for toilet paper by the CHENEY/BUSH regime, country needs a replacement, and here it is:
We the ZIONISTS, in Order to form a more DOMINATED UNION, establish TOTAL CORRUPTION, insure domestic FEAR, SUFF0CATION AND BLACK-MAIL , provide for the common defence of ZIONIST ENTITY, promote the general GENOCIDE , and secure the Blessings of YHWA to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of ZION.
ARTICLE ONE : Legislative power:
The United States of zion Congress, which includes the House of Representatives and the Senate must insure that it establishes the manner of election and qualifications of members of each House through the pre-selected judges of the supreme court, if it fails the fraudulent filing of ballot boxes.
In addition, it should provides enough money for Zionist candidates whom are signed-on and that they would remain loyal AND faithful for the rest of their life to carry out the demands and wishes of their pay masters
Article Two:Executive power:
the presidency (the executive branch): procedures for the selection of the president, with or without any qualifications for office, the latter is preferable , to the oath of zion and to be affirmed by AIPAC and in consultation with the rest of zionist organizations. It also provides for the office of Vice President of the United States of ZION, and specifies that the Vice President must be of a psychopathic nature and a devotee to Zionists , Halliburton , spying on all citizens and all with total secrecy.
Can succeeds to the presidency if the President is mentally incapacitated, no matter for how long, from when and how , dies, or impeached as a result of being a war criminal, although both can be tried in succession for the same charges.
Article Three: Judicial power:
The judicial branch, including the supreme Court. This article requires that there be one court called the supreme Court whose members must be carefully selected, over a period of time, with the following characteristics:
1)A believer of Zion.
2)A nucon.
Congress, at its discretion, can create lower courts, whose judgments and orders are reviewable by the supreme Court. It also requires trial by SECRECY in all dissident cases, defined by the attorney general, preferably .
Kidnapping and torturing, inclusion of water-boarding treatment, imprisoning in unknown locations for indefinite period of time without trial is recommendable, specifically if such places as GUANTANAMO or ABUGARIB etc. could be found.
TOTAL IMUNITY MUST BE PROVIDED WITH APPROPRIATE REWARDS.
Article Four: States’ powers and limits:
The POWER of selected president and its executive is limitless and their decisions can not be and should not be challenged as he OR him is the decider.
If one day our UNION becomes an EMPIRE then he or him should be called the CAESAR and every time he appears anywhere, specially in the south lawn, we must salute him or him Caesar, Caesar.
They can start war(s) at any given time, specifically if :
Report thisa) The Zionists requirements arise.
b) The nation, people or territory in question possess minerals and in particular OIL or it is a suitable route for carring the said loot.
c) Any amount of lies, deceit, deception, coercion, blackmail, threat etc. is permitted including the unlimited violence.
d) In case the MISINFORMED PUBLIC demands evidence, an ALUMINIUM TUBE would do.
e) NO amount of death and destruction, internally or externally should impede or hinder the ZIONISTS INSTRUCTIONS.
f) Any citizen whom object, should be treated as an enemy combatant. THEY are either with the executive power or they are terrorists.
g) If money is in short supply cancellation of the LOUISIANA PURCHASE can be approved.
Amendments will be posted later .
By David's back, November 10, 2007 at 3:05 pm #
DOUGLAS CHALMERS
I referred to a letter that I once read of from a Vietnamese to an Indian. For myself I believe that India/Vietnam would have been better off without the grief.
However as in the case of the USA, somebody else would have have still given it to them (camembert).
Even my Aussie brother in law, a country with a definite love hate relationship with the UK, admits that if the UK had not claimed Australia then someone else would have (Brie). He has also conceded that he’s glad it was the Brit’s, as he is quite happy with the way Oz is, and it would not have been the same if another had claimed it. A similar thing could I guess be applied to the USA with apologies to the millions of Hispanics, African Americans, etc who live there. It’s kind of lesser of two evils thing. As I have stated in my previous post, I am well aware of the evils of the UK’s past, but at the same time imagine the Directorate unleashing the Great Terror in, lets imagine the thirteen colonies of 18th century French America. Things would not have turned out quite the same would they? Except you might be eating better, probably cheese.
As for the Irish and Scots, well they were among the most ardent of the empire builders. How many famous British regiments came from those two countries? Add the equally famous Wild Geese who fought for any bloodsucker who paid, on occasion against one another. I don’t see their hands as being too clean, and I’m part Irish myself. Also check out the frequency of Scottish names in the West Indies, nothing to do with all those Scottish plantation owners of course. Fact is both spread the empire and then spread in it as you would know in the USA. One of the empires success stories has to be Hong Kong, and that was founded by Jardine, a Scott.
Report thisBy cyrena, November 10, 2007 at 6:06 am #
#112633 by caroline on 11/09 at 4:18 pm
...“All of you who are calling for impeachment—are you aware that Dennis Kucinich called for Cheneys impeachment in Congress this week? Democrats tried to kill it. I dont think its quite dead yet, I think its gone to the Judiciary Committee.”...
Caroline,
I knew that the Kucinich resolution had finally come to the floor. (He put it together long ago). And, while I have not seen anything on TD, I did see it on my news reader from a couple of other sources, (though Im thinking not anything mainstream) and I know that I did also see it on truthout.org. (which I check as routinely as I do truthdig).
HOWEVER, I did NOT know that the dems had tried to kill it, so maybe I need to go back and read the piece again, that should still be on truthout.
That said, I guess I shouldnt even be surprised, since Nancy Pelosi took it off the table before the new Congress even got to the chairs, and theres still the old guard of Blue Dog Dems that might as well be rethugs, since they are as much under cheneys thrumb as anybody else.
And yes, we did go off the deep end long ago. At first, I kept pinching myself, trying to figure out whether or not it was just me. Like, Wait a minute, whos actually in the rabbit hole here? Ever since, its been like running through a major plain studded with land mines, (or rabbit holes) waiting to gobble me up. So far, Ive survived. But damn, Im sure getting tired. Still resisting that temptation that so many have fallen into though, the if you cant beat em, might as well join em mentality. Those that have conceded are far worse off than the rest of us. (at least in my humble opinion). They havent a clue to the real shock and awe yet to be encountered. At least were sort of prepared. (at least to the extent that we can be).
So, listen to the advice that Louise has offered. If you’ve already run out of money, start with the dumpster diving, and start planting your veggies now. (I can’t help with the long underware…sewing machines are in the pawn shop)Check with purplewolf on this, or any of the Canadian outlets if you’re close enough.
Report thisBy Douglas Chalmers, November 10, 2007 at 4:47 am #
#112662 by David Moore on 11/09 at 8:13 pm: “Village Idiot; You want to remember that if there had been no British Empire then there would be no USA….. Indian should be thankful for having been colonised by the UK, as at least they were left with railways, factories, docks, modern cities and a system of government. Whereas all the French left the Vietnamese were brothels….”
Yes, it is interesting that, compared with the USA, Britain could “get rid of Blair mid term”. I hope that the French can do the same before too long, as well, uhh.
But it was the USA which “left the Vietnamese only brothels”, David Moore. And you can add landmines and unexploded military ordnance littering the countryside to kill and maim the innocent for generations. Then there was “agent orange” and its effects on the unborn…....
It is a failing of both the English (the Scots + Irish know better) as well as the Americans that they think their country has done something beneficial or even wonderful for the world. Both are nothing more than bloodsuckers…...
Click through a few pages here and see what the French (and the Chinese) did leave as a heritage of sorts, even if it was for their own aggrandizement http://www.vietscape.com/travel/saigon/index.html Many older Vietnamese fondly reminisce about Saigon Hai - the peaceful era of the 1950’s before the American war and the subsequent communist occupation.
Report thisBy Douglas Chalmers, November 10, 2007 at 4:28 am #
#112555 by mary on 11/09 at 6:49 am: “...You can see a lot of talk show jerks and so-called journalists becoming suddenly “enlightened”....”
Yes, its easy to claim to be enlightened, mary, and the unenlightened ones will believe you. Saying that you are enlightened and being enlightened are tow different things….. Journalists are almost as guilty as politicians in what has happened to the USA - and in similar ‘once-were-democracies’.
#112545 by Hank Van den Berg on 11/09 at 6:03 am: “...I would urge Americans to at least not vote for candidates in either of the two branches, republican and Democrat, of the same political machine. Try voting Green or Libertarian. It won’t accomplish much, but at least it registers a protest….”
The problem is where does your vote go in the end, though, Hank. To quote:-
“There is evidence that third parties can have a major impact on election outcomes. For example, a third-party candidate might draw votes more votes away from the candidate of the party more closely aligned with to the position of the third-party candidate, thus enabling the other party to win the election – often without receiving a majority of the vote…...
Public opinion surveys since the 1990s consistently have shown a high level of popular support for the concept of a third party. But in spite of such support for a third party, these parties face many obstacles. The most significant is the fear among voters that if they vote for a third-party candidate, they, in effect, will be “wasting” their votes. Voters have been shown to engage in strategic voting by casting ballots for their second choice when they sense that a third-party candidate has no chance of winning….” http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washf ile-english&y=2007&m=January&x=20070109140913HM nietsua0.1988794
As you say, “change is not going to come from the hopeless gang now in Washington” but the other failure is reflected in countries which have a preferential voting system. If your party/candidate of FIRST choice doesn’t get enough votes, your vote flows on to be counted for the candidate of your SECOND choice…... and on to a third or fourth choice if necessary. Votes are never lost!
#112563 by Ed on 11/09 at 7:30 am: “...This country is going off the deep end. There’s some sort of mass psychosis going on and it scares the hell out of me….”
Its the EAGLE on every government document and website and what-have-you, Ed. Having a predatory animal as a national symbol is STRANGE…... really strange!
Report thisBy David Moore, November 10, 2007 at 1:13 am #
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Village Idiot;
You want to remember that if there had been no British Empire then there would be no USA, at least as we know it. Your language, much of your culture and your systems of law, politics etc,etc,etc were inherited from or profoundly influenced by the UK. Many of your nations ancestors were empire builders. My ancestors stayed at home however, what about yours?
Of course maybe you would prefer to be a ‘Cheese eater’ as no doubt that would have been the alternative.
In case you haven’t noticed the sun has well and truly set on the British Empire, not without a lot of help from the US too, who did as much as they could to accelerate its demise. The US reasons we now know were not altruistic but purely selfish as it wanted to build its own empire.
Personally I’m against all forms of Imperialism, yes even the British one, If you really want to debate about that then I could go on for hours about the evils of the UK’s past. However this forum is not debating that is it? When it does I’ll be there mate, no problem. I will say this though, I once read of a letter from a Vietnamese to an Indian friend, the gist of which was that he thought the Indian should be thankful for having been colonised by the UK, as at least they were left with railways, factories, docks, modern cities and a system of government. Whereas all the French left the Vietnamese were brothels.
Oh yeah and whose empire did the US go to bat for in the 50’s? Hmm that’s right those same old ‘surrender monkeys’.
Regarding Blair, in case you haven’t noticed he’s gone, we got rid of him mid term, with much of the reason being because of his closeness to Bush. Which says more for the UK’s version of democracy than for the US’s, as you can’t dump an idiot President anywhere as easily, no you’re stuck with him and his incompetence. Something about lame do nothing lap dogs comes to mind, I wonder if your one of those who tout the notion of the US being the worlds greatest democracy, if so when are you going to prove it?
I am prepared to admit that the 90% figure may be high, but it’s difficult to be accurate about such when, as you infer yourself, the US does not have an independent media. Still though I feel pretty confident that the figure would be in the high 70’s.
Judging by your use of the expression Y’all, you would be from where? maybe Texas.
Gomerspile;
Report thisYes I can;
The US has started wars against the Plains Indians, the Mexicans (from whom a considerable part of the US was stolen), the Spanish (blew up your own warship to start that one), then there was a little shindig in Tripoli, the invasion of Florida, plus Cambodia, Laos, and of course Vietnam. All of whom were smaller and weaker yet despite that fact the Vietnamese still beat you. The latest candidate being Iraq where again you’ve copped a bit of Shock and Awe of your own.
Oh yeah and the name Roosevelt comes to mind too.
By glendllen@comcast.net, November 10, 2007 at 12:49 am #
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It is obvious, not only to most of the American people, but to the rest of the world as well that
Report thisBush and Cheneys agenda to take over the oil fields
in Iraq and then move on to Iran so that OPEC can’t
pull another 1970’s thing on us in the future is clear. How to do that??? How convenient,9/11. Unify
everyone with fear and anger so that we will support
troop deployment to Afghanastan and then ooops, while
we are here we need to take care of this HUGE THREAT
Saddam and then the same thing for Iran. Ofcourse this is done under the guise of bringing Democracy to these poor folks.Well, I don’t know about you folks, but I started ramming my head thru the walls when they started in on Saddam. Guess I am going to have to find a new wall to ram for Ahmadinejad. Yep, Cheney,
Rumsfeld, the Project for a new American Century
PNAC, it was all in place, they just needed another
Pearl Harbor to get the American People behind them.
In the process, Cheneys rule that the President should account to no one and do whatever he deems
necessary has also been occuring. I would like to get
our Democracy back, not the Plutocrocy that has been
in place. ANTI WAR and PRO CONSTITUTION people need
to take a lesson from the Pakastanis…HIT THE STREETS IN MASS AND DEMAND IT BACK.
By Dennis Moss, November 9, 2007 at 10:50 pm #
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Commenting on the ideal that one party is responsible for starting, winning, or loosing wars is ridiculous. The VietNam Was basically a LBJ war. How about the theory that only Presidents from Texas loose wars!-
Report thisBy caroline, November 9, 2007 at 9:18 pm #
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All of you who are calling for impeachment—are you aware that Dennis Kucinich called for Cheney’s impeachment in Congress this week? Democrats tried to kill it. I don’t think it’s quite dead yet, I think it’s gone to the Judiciary Committee.
Where’s the story, news media? I listen to NPR throughout my day and I haven’t heard a word all week about this important event in our Congress. The pundits just babble and talk in cliches. Come to think of it, I don’t think there was anything on Truthdig, either.
I don’t think the problem is that the American public doesn’t care, as somebody said, as if it were a given. I think they care deeply—everybody I know is appalled and chagrined. I think “idiotic” and “moronic” are appropriate adjectives to describe our faux president and our irresponsible representatives. I can’t remember the last time one of my representatives (except for Rep. Kucinich) in congress came close to reflecting my point of view about any major issue. So it’s not that I don’t care. Rather, I recognize that there is not a thing, apparently, that can be done. The electoral process has become a sick joke and everybody knows it.
I agree that we’re all going off the deep end.
Report thisBy The Village Idiot, November 9, 2007 at 9:10 pm #
“Yanks?” “Bloody hypocrites?” That sounds like you’re from the UK. And you want to talk about the US starting wars? Where did the saying “The Sun never sets on the British Empire” (or whatever it was) come from? And weren’t y’all the only other G7 nation to join the ‘coalition of the willing,’ with Blair just one of Bush’s yes-men? Talk about hypocrisy…
And about that “90%” bullshit, do you recall the mass, nationwide protests against the war that occurred in the US BEFORE it started? It was the first time in history that a war had been protested prior to it starting, and those protests were larger than any in the Vietnam era (the media coverage was inversely proportion to the 60’s protests, interestingly). I wouldn’t be so quick to believe poll statistics provided by the same media that happily fed us whatever lies the Administration fed them.
Anyhow, I’d been thinking that Congress being such lame, do-nothing lap dogs may mean that an invisible coup has already taken place, and the Legislative and Judicial branches apparently lost. 2009 will be far more interesting than the election, I bet, since that’s when we’ll find out for sure. Also, this wasn’t Bush’s doing; recall that much of the axis of evil in Washington (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, etc) had gotten together in, oddly enough, Nixon’s administration. They’ve been working on creating this fiasco since then, you can bet on it, and Bush was just the right face-man for the job.
Report thisBy Terrence M, November 9, 2007 at 8:22 pm #
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14 months? What people here seem to forget is that the Worst MAY YET come to pass. I’m talking about the potential presidency of Giuliani. It seems as if the planets are lining up for him to get the presidency. I just dont see Hillary winning and it seems no republicans can stop him. The reason for his popularity is simple, outside of NYC no one knows anything about him, oh , except that he is “mr. 9-11”. But as a person who lived in NYC during his term is that he will be WORSE than Bush ever was. Right now i feel like Chrsitopher Walken in “the dead zone”.
Report thisBy driving bear, November 9, 2007 at 5:00 pm #
reply to #112545 by Hank Van den Berg on 11/09 at 6:03 am
I hate to break it to you but here is the truth of American presidential politics.
On the National level 43% of the vote will go to the democratic candidate no matter who it is.
On the flip side 38% of the vote will go to the GOP candidate no matter who it is.
The other 19% of the vote is in play.
If a green party candidate runs ( FYI Nader said he would run again in Clinton gets the democratic nomination) , the green party candidate will end up taking votes from Clinton. As a republican I say run Nader run. So in essence all a 3rd party candidate could do is play the role of a spoiler.
Report thisBy David Mastrogiovanni, November 9, 2007 at 3:39 pm #
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So what?! An 11% approval rate for Congress makes up for the fact that the Executive branchs’ rating is so low? The fact of the matter is we’re rating Congress so low is because they won’t starting impeahment procedings. Once they get the ball rolling on that I’m sure you’ll see congress’ rating go way up!
Report thisBy GW=MCHammered, November 9, 2007 at 1:39 pm #
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GW’s
Ruinous
Exploitation
Eradicates
Democracy
http://www.currencytrading.net/2007/7-countries-con sidering-abandoning-the-us-dollar-and-what-it-means/
Report thisBy David, November 9, 2007 at 1:31 pm #
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Yanks, You are all bloody hypocrites, it was only a few years ago that 90% of you were rooting for war and baying for blood and hailing that retard you call a president. Now though it’s a different story, and why, because you are losing (again). I have no doubt that if the US was winning you would be doing exactly the same as then. Your entire nation makes me and the rest of civilisation sick. Try picking a fight with the Russians, no guts for that one eh. Your entire history has been about perpetual war and those wars were always started by you and always against those smaller and weaker than you, what big brave heroes you are. Even in the one war you fought in that was worth fighting you sat back and profiteered for two years before joining in. GO HOME YANKS!
Report thisBy Ed, November 9, 2007 at 12:30 pm #
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This country is going off the deep end. There’s some sort of mass psychosis going on and it scares the hell out of me. Congress votes to label Iran’s army as a terrorist organization, votes to antagonize Turkey over a hundred-year-old genocide and votes to do Bush’s bidding. I honestly want to flee. The U.S. is becoming the evil empire. I’ll take the Nixon years any day over what is happening now.
Gunboat diplomacy is lunacy in this age and the top people setting policy in Washington DC are completely nuts. Apparently the majority of voters are crazy too.
Report thisBy mary, November 9, 2007 at 11:49 am #
You can see a lot of talk show jerks and so-called journalists becoming suddenly “enlightened”. If there’s any justice they’ll all lose their jobs, starting with Tim Russert, just as quickly as those idiots in Congress, Rep and Dems. Congress may have lower approval numbers than Bush, but the Rep obstructionists will be rightfully blamed, and the moron Dems who let them get away with it will also be held accountable. I still think we should consider term limits for all, including the Supreme Court, and public financing to clean up this awful mess…...
Report thisBy Hank Van den Berg, November 9, 2007 at 11:03 am #
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Good point about the Congress, driving bear. This is what drives so many of us completely over the edge. We clearly have the worst president ever in the White House. But, unlike the Nixon era, we now also have the most complicit, corrupt, short-sighted, dishonest, and dysfunctional Congress ever too!
Report thisOur political system has been completely hijacked by special corporate interests, and each member of Congress is only concerned with where the next campaign contribution is coming from. This will not change unless we reform our political system by, at the very minimum, instituting public financing of campaigns and banning outside money from politics altogether. But how do we bring about such reform when most Americans do not much care and the concentration of media power in the hands of entertainment conglomerates who prefer to entertain rather than inform?
I would urge Americans to at least not vote for candidates in either of the two branches, republican and Democrat, of the same political machine. Try voting Green or Libertarian. It won’t accomplish much, but at least it registers a protest. Surely, change is not going to come from the hopeless gang now in Washington.
By Louise, November 9, 2007 at 10:10 am #
“Bush didnt come by this distinction with help from family connections or the Supreme Court. No, he earned it.”
Neither did Nixon, and he earned the disgrace he left office with. So why oh why are we still dealing with a “president” whose record of abuse, destruction, lying and theft outstrips Nixon’s by a mile?!
The congress could begin the process of “setting things right” right now? Why do they refuse to see this urgency?!
[Maybe they don’t understand why “IMPEACH” was put in the Constitution! Certainly they don’t seem to understand the concept of “we the pwople!”]
“He or she will inherit, in short, a dismal mess. It will take most of the new presidents first term to begin to set things right.”
Most? He or she will not be able to set things right in a single term. And the sad truth is, by the time the disaster of Bush and company leave office things will actually be worse! So we can count on repub leadership and the RNC to immediately begin a campaign of blaming the new president [assuming it is a dem] for the mess!
And the voters, and a big hunk of congress, who obviously cant remember last week, let alone 1974, and how we stopped a run-away train then, will believe it! Putting another repub in office, so they can busily set about undoing anything that might have been accomplished in the previous four years, and setting course firmly on self-destruction once again.
Hope I’m wrong.
But if current congressional leadership, and current congressional repubs are any indication ...
Well, all I can say is, dig up your lawn and plant some fruit and veggies! Buy some long underwear, if you still have any money left and get ready for the longest 14 plus months you have ever lived through.
Report thisBy still confused, November 9, 2007 at 9:58 am #
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yea, thank GOD it’s only 14 and one half more months. we’ll all be able to breathe again! i hope i don’t fall down dead tomorrow.
Report thisBy thomas billis, November 9, 2007 at 9:00 am #
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You know why Bush is more reviled than Nixon.It is because Nixon was mentally ill but he was competent.Bush has none of the competency and all the mental illness.By the way Mr Robinson if you could not see the troubles on the horizon in the first term you waiting until the situation is near collapse does not put you in the Nostradaumas club.We depend on people like you to see these things coming and warn us.Do you feel in all honesty that you and the mains stream media did your job in this instance?
Report thisBy Douglas Chalmers, November 9, 2007 at 7:25 am #
So is this Eugene Robinson’s lame excuse for Scheer not having bothered to run an article about the recent anti-Bush march?
Report thisBy driving bear, November 9, 2007 at 3:57 am #
I noticed that this report failed to mention that the approval numbers of the democratic controlled congress is lower than Bush’s. One poll put congresses approval at only 11%. So by comparison Bush’s numbers are good.
Report thisBy Marshall K, November 9, 2007 at 3:19 am #
It’s true! I was a pissed off college student when Nixon was president and he didn’t get me as riled as the present occupant.
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