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Giuliani’s Health Care Cherry-Picking

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Posted on Nov 1, 2007

By Eugene Robinson

WASHINGTON—Even Rudy Giuliani would acknowledge that he can be prickly. Now, it seems, the tough-talking former mayor is growing estranged from empirical fact.

    I’m referring to his presidential campaign’s recent radio ad in New Hampshire, in which Giuliani speaks of his personal experience with prostate cancer and then cites an ear-grabbing statistic: “My chances of surviving prostate cancer—and thank God I was cured of it—in the United States, 82 percent. My chances of surviving prostate cancer in England, only 44 percent under socialized medicine.”

    Hold it, you mean I’d be nearly twice as likely to die of prostate cancer in Liverpool as in Los Angeles? Twice as likely to succumb in Oxfordshire as in Ohio? Amazing. Also, not remotely true.

    As several truth-squading journalists—notably, Michael Dobbs of The Washington Post—have pointed out, mortality rates from prostate cancer in Britain and the United States are roughly the same: About 25 men out of 100,000 die of prostate cancer each year in both countries. (That’s the standard way of reporting mortality rates, deaths per 100,000 individuals.)

    I’ll get to the math a little later—that’s a promise, not a threat—but first, I want to try to understand Giuliani’s thought process. Giuliani wasn’t spoon-fed those dodgy figures by some speechwriter. He plucked his data on prostate cancer from an article in City Journal, a publication of the neoconservative Manhattan Institute, which has been crusading against the idea of single-payer health care systems, such as the National Health Service in Britain.

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    Campaign aides point out that City Journal is respected and that the article was written by a physician, David Gratzer. That’s true, but still: If you read that you were twice as likely to die of a given disease in Cambodia than in the United States, that would be roughly consistent with what you know about Cambodia and what you know about the United States. It would make sense that advanced, lifesaving treatment would be hard to obtain in an underdeveloped country with a fairly rudimentary health care system.

    Britain, however, is hardly Cambodia. Giuliani has been to London as recently as September (it was there that he announced his status as “probably one of the four or five best-known Americans in the world”). Did it not strike him as unlikely that such an advanced society would be so callous, incompetent or both in treating a fairly common, well-studied disease such as prostate cancer? Wouldn’t he want to have that statistic checked out before citing it in his presidential campaign?

    I see two possibilities. One is that he believed what he wanted to believe—that this huge supposed disparity in cancer outcomes fits so neatly into his worldview that it just had to be right. Hmmm, isn’t cherry-picked data—about weapons of mass destruction, not cancer survival rates—the reason we have nearly 160,000 troops bogged down in Iraq?

    The other possibility is that Giuliani didn’t really care whether the figures made any sense or not. He invokes the specter of “Hillarycare”—shorthand for any health care reform that Hillary Clinton might propose—almost as often as he reminds audiences of Sept. 11. Here was another weapon to use against his nemesis.

    OK, the math: Gratzer writes that his figures come from seven-year-old data from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development on the numbers of men in various countries who are diagnosed with prostate cancer and, of those diagnosed, how many die from the disease. The latest official figures show a much smaller gap: Of men diagnosed with prostate cancer, about 98 percent survive five years in the United States versus about 74 percent in Britain.

    But even that is misleading, because—as even Gratzer acknowledges—a much higher percentage of American men than Britons are diagnosed with prostate cancer in the first place. The reason Americans are more likely to be diagnosed is that we are screened and tested much more often than our British counterparts. Doctors here are much more likely to diagnose, say, a slow-growing tumor in an elderly patient who will die of something else before the prostate cancer progresses to a serious state.

    That’s why the more relevant comparison, experts say, is mortality rates—which are about equal. For the record, I prefer our system of screening and testing; if I’m going to be hit by a freight train, I want to see it coming.

    What I don’t want is another president who refuses to let the facts get in the way of a good story.   

    Eugene Robinson’s e-mail address is eugenerobinson(at)washpost.com.   

    © 2007, Washington Post Writers Group


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By Michael Fox, November 5, 2007 at 8:50 pm #
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The standard test for prostate cancer in the US is PSA, prostate specific antigen, a controversial test as it has a large number of false positives. That is one reason why this test is not universally given in the UK, but in this, consumer knows best, society it is more popular. The same holds true of a number of drastic cancer treatments that cause the patient great suffering, which though available in the UK, are less used.Medicine in the UK is driven by effective treatment rather than expensive dubious tratment regimes.

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By Amir, November 5, 2007 at 2:47 am #
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By the way, what was Rudy’s Gleason Score. If he had low grade Prostate CA, his chance of survival would have been high anywhere. On top of that, his dramatization of this low grade tumor makes a mockery of the suffering of people who are really sick as opposed to those who are just sick enough to make political capital out of their disease.

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By boggs, November 4, 2007 at 10:52 pm #

Because we elected a liar the last two elections, they think thats what we like!
If the chances were really so slim in England, Rudy then I wish to hell you would have gone there for treatment.
We would be minus a liar and an un-perfect a**hole.

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By Amir, November 4, 2007 at 4:01 pm #
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If Mr. Guilliani would have been more monogamous and faithful to his partner, he would have had less of a chance of being at risk for prostate cancer to begin with. His risky behaviour and dubious morals are in contrast with the average English male who has a lower number of partners and starts sexual intercourse at a later age. If the health care was more and better focussed on prevention and was more widely accessable in US, maybe Mr. Guilliani would have been educated about the risk of STD’s and prostate cancer and would have avoided unchristian behaviour.

Bellow are a couple of medical links relating to correlation of risky behaviour with Prostate Cancer.
http://www.stfm.org/fmhub/fm2005/July/Marcia506.pdf
http://www.nature.com/pcan/journal/v4/n4/abs/4500535a.html;jsessionid=B694649D2C741BBBCE48145EA611A5C0
http://www.springerlink.com/content/u063172k084n5x81/

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By SamSnedegar, November 2, 2007 at 3:21 pm #

Rudy be damned, please stop accusing poor Georgie the suckin’ of lying like he made stuff up or something; he tells it like it is in the stuff they give him to say, and as far as he is concerned it has to be the truth because they surely wouldn’t send the Preznit out to tell a bald faced lie. He trusts his advisors, not because he knows them and has confidence in them, but because there is nothing else for him to do with the limited intelligence he possesses. He doesn’t understand the issue, he doesn’t understand the problem, he doesn’t understand ONE WORD of what they give him to say, but out he comes and says what they tell him to say, and if it is a fat lie, you can blame someone else because HE DIDN’T MAKE THAT SHIT UP.

It’s all part of verity number 2: Bush is a moron.

What is verity number 1? It’s about oil. Oil isn’t everything, it is the ONLY thing.

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By mary, November 2, 2007 at 12:24 pm #

Can Repubs really want this moron on their ticket.  Hope so, because if the Democratic Party can’t thump this a-hole, they better pack it in.  It’s hard to even imagine 4 years of this creep…

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By anonymous, November 2, 2007 at 9:43 am #
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i loves Eugene but, when the doc knows i’m gonna die before the prostate gets me, i’ll be more than happy to have him stop with the butt-pokin’

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By thomas billis, November 2, 2007 at 7:31 am #
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Looks like Rudi has his head where his prostate is.

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By P. T., November 2, 2007 at 3:39 am #

Not being from New York, I did not realize Rudy Giuliani was such a demagogue, before he ran for president.

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By waxman, November 2, 2007 at 12:45 am #

ON EITHER SIDE OF THE POND, RUDY HAS TWO CRONIC ILLNESSES, HE IS ATE UP WITH THE DUMBASS AND A LIAR..

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