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Posted on Oct 30, 2007
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By Robert Scheer

Not to stoke any of the inane conspiracy theories running wild on the Internet, but if Osama bin Laden wasn’t on the payroll of Lockheed Martin or some other large defense contractor, he deserves to have been. What a boondoggle 9/11 has been for the merchants of war, who this week announced yet another quarter of whopping profits made possible by George Bush’s pretending to fight terrorism by throwing money at outdated Cold War-style weapons systems.

Lockheed Martin, the nation’s top weapons manufacturer, reaped a 22 percent increase in profits, while rivals for the defense buck, Northrop Grumman and General Dynamics, increased profits by 62 percent and 22 percent, respectively.  Boeing’s profits jumped 61 percent, spiked this quarter by its commercial division, but Boeing’s military division, like the others, has been doing very well indeed since the terrorist attacks.  As Newsweek International put in August: “Since 9/11 and the U.S.-led wars that followed, shares in American defense companies have outperformed both the Nasdaq and Standard & Poor’s stock indices by some 40 percent.  Prior to the recent cascade of stock prices worldwide, Boeing’s share prices had tripled over the past five years while Raytheon’s had doubled.”

Not bad for an industry in serious difficulty with the sudden collapse of the Cold War at the beginning of the 1990s, when the first President Bush and his defense secretary, Dick Cheney, were severely cutting the military budget for high-ticket planes and ships designed to fight the no-longer-existent Soviet military.  Sure, they had Iraq to kick around, but the elder Bush never thought to turn the then very real aggression of Saddam Hussein into an enormously expensive quagmire. He both defeated Hussein and cut the military budget.

Not so Bush the younger, who exploited the trauma of 9/11 as an occasion to depose the defanged dictator of Iraq and thus provide a “shock and awe” showcase for the arms industry, which continues to benefit obscenely from the failed occupation. The second Iraq war, irrationally conflated with the 9/11 attack that had nothing to do with Hussein, provided the perfect threat package to justify the most outrageous military boondoggle in the nation’s history.  The bin Laden boys only had an arsenal of $3 knives, but Bush claimed Hussein had WMD. Sadly for the military-industrial complex, Hussein’s army collapsed all too suddenly. But the insurgency, much of it fueled by the Shiites, who were ostensibly on our side, provided the occasion for pretending that we are in a war against a conventionally armed and imposing military enemy.

Of course, we are in nothing of the sort with this so-called war on terror, a propaganda farce that draws resources away from serious efforts to counter terrorism to reward the corporations that profit from high-tech weaponry that has little if anything to do with the problem at hand.  As Columbia professor Richard K. Betts points out in Foreign Affairs magazine:  “With rare exceptions, the war against terrorists cannot be fought with army tank battalions, air force wings, or naval fleets—the large conventional forces that drive the defense budget. The main challenge is not killing the terrorists but finding them, and the capabilities most applicable to this task are intelligence and special operations forces. ... It does not require half a trillion dollars worth of conventional and nuclear forces.”

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That half a trillion only covers the Pentagon budget for expenses beyond the cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars or the Department of Homeland Security. Those last three items total more than $240 billion in Bush’s 2008 budget requests.  Add to that the $50 billion spent on intelligence agencies and an equal amount of State Department-directed efforts and you can understand how we manage to spend more fighting a gang of mujahedeen terrorists, once our “freedom fighters” in that earlier Afghan war against the Soviets, than we did at the height of the Cold War.

“The Pentagon currently absorbs more than half of the federal government’s discretionary budget,” writes Lawrence J. Korb, “surpassing the heights reached when I was President Reagan’s assistant secretary of defense. ... And, much like the 1980s, we are spending billions of dollars on weapons systems designed to fight the Soviet superpower.”

Thanks to bin Laden and Bush’s exploitation of “war on terror” hysteria, the taxpayers have been hoodwinked into paying for a sophisticated military arsenal to fight a Soviet enemy that no longer exists. The Institute for Policy Studies calculated last year that the top 34 CEOs of the defense industry have earned a combined billion dollars since 9/11; they should give bin Laden his cut.

Click here to check out Robert Scheer’s book,
“The Great American Stickup: How Reagan Republicans and Clinton Democrats Enriched Wall Street While Mugging Main Street.”


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By Dwight VW, November 22, 2007 at 3:44 pm Link to this comment

“Not to stoke any of the inane conspiracy theories running wild on the Internet”

What conspiracy theories, and why are they inane?  Like so many in your circle, you don’t explain.  You mock and you posture.  You also mock people for giving in to “war on terror” hysteria, thereby negating the horror of 9/11.  Does that make easier for you to sweep it under the rug?  Sorry, I don’t forget so easily.  The event was mass murder that has led to much more killing, and it needs to be properly investigated and acountability properly assigned.  Mockery won’t make this go away.

But your article gets close to one possibility—a group associated with defense contractors and intelligence services engineered the event without Bush’s knowledge, and the system went along with it afterwards.

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By Nabih Ammari, November 7, 2007 at 3:47 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

The blunt and tough straight talk of Kieth Olberman
whose program “Count Down” is my favorite cable program
will remain just blunt and tough straight talk with no
real movement for impeachment as long as Congress,as a whole,remains passive.

If members of the House of Representatives claim that
the have no hard evidences to impeach,they are wrong.
The Center For Constitutional Rights has already piled
and published “FOUR ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT AGAINST
GEORGE W. BUSH”.

If anyone cares to have more information about the
FOUR ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT,he/she can contact the
Center at the following address:

The Center For Constitutional Rights
666 Broadway,7TH Floor
New York,NY. 10012
Phone: (212)-614-6464
Website: http://www.ccr-ny.org

The Center has published not only the articles of
impeachment against GWB,but also the articles of impeachment exhibited against Andrew Johnson(1868),
Richard M. Nixon(1974) and William Jefferson Clinton
(1998).It is a good source for comparison.
Sincerely,
Nabih Ammari
An independent in Ohio.

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By Louise, November 6, 2007 at 11:10 am Link to this comment

cyrena
If you’re not paranoid, you’re not paying attention.
Obviously you are paying attention. smile

Just ran across this over at http://www.whatreallyhappened.com

Olberman drops a bomb on Cheney’s S&M;Krewe

“Finally tonight, as promised, a Special Comment on the meaning of the story of former U.S. Acting Assistant Attorney General Daniel Levin.
“It is a fact startling in its cynical simplicity and it requires cynical and simple words to be properly expressed:

“The Presidency of George W. Bush has now devolved into a criminal conspiracy to cover the ass of George W. Bush.

“All the petulancy, all the childish threats, all the blank-stare stupidity;

“All the invocations of World War Three, all the sophistic questions about which terrorist attacks we wanted him not to stop, all the phony secrets;

“All the claims of executive privilege, all the stumbling tap-dancing of his nominees, all the verbal flatulence of his apologists…

“All of it is now—after one revelation last week—transparently clear for what it is: the pathetic and desperate manipulation of the government, the re-focusing of our entire nation, towards keeping this mock president, and this unstable vice president, and this departed wildly self-over-rating Attorney General—and the others—from potential prosecution for having approved or ordered the illegal torture of prisoners being held in the name of this country.”

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“The Presidency of George W. Bush has now devolved into a criminal conspiracy to cover the ass of George W. Bush.”

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A quote for the ages. Maybe to be engraved over the entrance to the cave donated for W’s library.

And this little gem:

Cheney Pursuing Nuclear Ambitions of His Own

“While Dick Cheney has been talking tough over the years about Iran’s alleged nuclear activities, the vice president has been quietly pursuing nuclear ambitions of his own.

For more than two years, Cheney and a relatively unknown administration official, Deputy Energy Secretary Clay Sell, have been regularly visiting the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) to ensure agency officials rewrite regulatory policies and bypass public hearings in order to streamline the licensing process for energy companies that have filed applications to build new nuclear power reactors, as well as applications for new nuclear facilities that are expected to be filed by other companies in the months ahead, longtime NRC officials said.”

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Geez, who needs a congress when we’ve got a bush and a Dick?

“rewrite regulatory policies and bypass public hearings”

Well dog’gon, is that another impeachable offense?

I remember when Cheney debated Edwards, he pointed out the American people would never have to worry about him [Cheney] running for the office of president. I remember saying, “Course not. You already got the position by default!” And wondering why Edwards didn’t say the same thing !?!

One of those ARGHHH moments ...

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By cyrena, November 6, 2007 at 4:29 am Link to this comment

#111858 by Louise on 11/05 at 8:26 pm

...“Somebody mention “Mission Accomplished” ?
We all know Bush was a Pilot in the Air Force, right?
[Stop laughing out loud and read..”

Louise,
How did you know? (that I was laughing out loud) You already know I’m overly paranoid. Imagine how it felt for me to read you telling me to stop doing exactly what I was doing.

Ya know, I once asked one of my less-than-brilliant cousins, (retired Air Force aircraft mechanic, and great fan of the harnessed-crotch shrub) if HE would be willing to ‘take a spin’ with the moron at the controls. Like, just him and georgie boy, cruising the skies. He never did answer me. Maybe he’s not as stupid as I thought. Then again, I’m not sure I’d fly any aircraft that he had ‘maintenanced’ either.

Anyway, I’m on it. (the calling that we have to do on the Cheney impeachment). Good thing you reminded us. Stuff is starting to really run together these days.

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By Louise, November 5, 2007 at 9:26 pm Link to this comment

Somebody mention “Mission Accomplished” ?

We all know Bush was a Pilot in the Air Force, right?

[Stop laughing out loud and read]

When the chief decider guy prepared to make his valiant landing on the carrier to tell us he had won his war, the San Diego skyline was spitin’ distance from the deck. So, the royal bush proper-uppers made them turn the carrier around, so it would look like his highnessness was boldly flying out to sea to great his returning warriors.

That low note should have warned us, it would all be downhill from there. Down hill as in, no bottom to the drop.

Ever wonder why those guys and gals in uniform were screaming and laughing, and trying to get a photo, up close and personal with POTUS? Answers pretty simple. They want to be able to show and tell their kids and grandkids about this man whose flying experience is so limited he doesn’t even have the sense to let his balls out of a vice! [OUCH] As in, it’s a good idea to undo the crotch straps so you can walk like a man sir. Looking a little like a chimp waddling across the deck hardly speaks of brave and noble, but sure says ... no experienced pilot here!

Gosh folks, we are part of history.
How many people can say they witnessed from beginning to end, the development of a world leader?
Well, never mind what kind of development.

Remember, call your representative in the morning!
http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.shtml

IMPEACH CHENEY!

What a wonderful message that would be to send bush ... “Uhh Sir, your backside is missing.”

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By Louise, November 5, 2007 at 8:55 pm Link to this comment

Dick Cheney Deserves an Up or Down Vote;

Kucinich to force vote on impeachment resolution

DO SOMETHING!
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Tomorrow folks, TOMORROW!

We all complain no-one in congress will do anything. Here’s your chance to help them do the right thing!

DO YOU KNOW HOW YOUR CONGRESSMAN WILL ACT?

FIND OUT !!!

Call his/her office FIRST THING IN THE MORNING!

Dennis wants to help us, LETS HELP HIM!

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By cyrena, November 5, 2007 at 12:49 am Link to this comment

#111537 by Nabih Ammari
Nabih, on Bush repudiating all debt…
•  -Yes,indeed,all U.S. debt will vanish and Bush will
be smiling in triumph;just the way he acted with
bravado on the U.S.military carrier ship with the
big sign “Mission Accomplished” over his head,after
the fall of Baghdad,more than four years ago.
-The smile will be wiped off of his face as soon as
his advisers tell him that all American Banks have
already collapsed because of the collapse of the dollar.
Herein lies another irony, (at least in the comparison to mission accomplished). As we know the mission accomplished to be a total phony from the start, it only adds to the whole hypocrisy of it to realize, (and I didn’t until later) that the photo op was staged on a Navy ship in San Diego. (surely it was intended to appear to be In Iraq, and the Palm trees at least are quite similar). But, I compare that to the worthlessness of the US dollar that you’ve predicted. And while I certainly hope that it doesn’t become a reality, it would be foolish to remain in denial about this.
But, I’m not so sure that the smile would be wiped off of bushes face, when he discovers this, because…I’m sure he already knows that. Cheney definitely does. And, they are protected. They’ve long since converted their own US dollars to a sounder currency. (probably many). It wasn’t a surprise when Halliburton made a new home in Dubai, and surely there are others we don’t know about as yet. Off shore accounts are bulging, and the dollar has become more and more deflated.
If there are any remaining members of his Cabal who DON’T know this, and they get ‘stuck’, THEN maybe he would worry. (somebody would be looking to kick his ass) But, I’m inclined to think there’s a back up plan for that as well. An escape hatch if you will. 
That’s just my guess, even though it’s the ultimate nightmare. (well, maybe not THE ultimate nightmare, since these people are capable of anything). Still, I think he’s got himself covered. If not, Cheney does.
#111573 by Verne Arnold
Ref: #111477 by Frank Cajon
•  All you people ever talk about is how the evil Jews are taking over the world and Bush blew up the WTC. Get over yourselves.

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Frank, you got it right…I wish you peace…the wingnuts are just that…do not worry them…they will go away.

Verne, just curious, is there a hidden message here, that maybe only you and FC understand? Might FC not be the wingnut? I mean really, how many of us concentrate on how the Evil Jews are taking over the world? (not to dismiss the atrocities of Israel against the Palestinians). And, would it not be a ‘wingnut’ who would SPECIFICALLY accuse the shrub HIMSELF of blowing up the WTC? I mean really, does anyone actually believe that bush himself arranged that? I’m reading FC as the wingnut who will hopefully fall back to lurking status, and that probably needs to get over himself. I mean, if he’s so convinced that everybody else is wrong, and he’s right, then why keep bringing this up?

I haven’t seen godsend around in ages.

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By cyrena, November 4, 2007 at 11:16 pm Link to this comment

#111658 by Frank Cajon

Yes Frank, PSA came to my mind as well, though I didn’t remember the flight number.
I’ve already acknowledge that these air disasters are indeed traumatic, so I didn’t need a description, because I’ve been present at too many. I’ve said before, it was a career. I didn’t need any cajones to continue to do my job, because that’s what it was. It was distressing, (and depressing) just as it must be for any physician to lose a patient. For me, it just worked out that way. It was just part of my many job functions in the aviation industry, over a long period of time. Again, a professional responsibility/obligation.

As for the black boxes, they’re actually orange and white. (at least the older ones) One does the voice recording, the other records the actual flight data, from start to finish. I could go into a detailed explanation on what they’re made of, and how they are intentionally designed to withstand the most extreme of the extreme, (since that’s the whole point) but I believe it would be wasted on you. Still, here’s a link if you want to know more about them, though I wouldn’t say it’s the BEST. It would still answer your basic questions on what they’re made of.
http://travel.howstuffworks.com/black-box6.htm

As for your instance on assuming that ANYONE who questions the official story is a conspiracy theorist looking to blame the Israelis…that TOO is unfortunate, because it keeps you stupid. I’ve warned time and time again, against the ‘either/or mentality’, but some folks just seem stuck in it. The whole “Israeli connection” is actually relatively new to me. I’ve only begun to link those things together, based on what has become available on line, and over the years. It was not a connection that I initially made, based on my own professional knowledge, because my professional knowledge was strictly limited to whether or not the events of that day were even POSSIBLE. They did not seem AT ALL possible, (to me) from day one.

HOWEVER, I waited patiently for what I assumed would be the normal and routine investigations that are ALWAYS conducted after such disasters, and….none ever came. Nothing came until the widows of some victims killed in the WTC that day, insisted on it, and lobbied for it.  The bush administration was adamantly opposed to ANY investigation, which surely seemed ‘odd’, since –as I’ve already mentioned- these investigations ALWAYS happen after an air disaster. Some are completely quickly; others take longer. It wasn’t until January, 2004…over 3 years after the fact, when the 9/11 Commission came out with the “Official Report/Conspiracy”, and I was actually required to read it for some course study.

It was that report itself, and my reading of it, based again, on my own professional knowledge, that confirmed my original suspicions. I knew that the official story was a lie…several lies. Even THEN, I had no knowledge of or even awareness of any Israeli connection.

So, here’s the deal frank, even though I get tired of saying it. From my own professional standpoint, I can verify that the events of 9/11 were not perpetrated by 19 highjackers with box cutters. I can also confirm that the WTC DID NOT collapse as a result of those commercial aircraft hitting those towers.
I’ve yet to find any concrete PROOF that any “Israelis” were involved. There is also NO CONCRETE PROOF that Arab terrorists were involved either. There are millions of physical and logistical inconsistencies to the official conspiracy theory. I haven’t seen godsend around in a while, but it’s not to your advantage to lump me with anyone else.

For the record, the towers were destroyed by controlled demolition, and no 757 ever hit the Pentagon. I don’t know who set up the towers for destruction, nor do I know what happened to the passengers and crew from AA flt 77 or UA flt 93. Nothing changes the truth of these facts, including your layperson’s comparison to your own experience.

Such as it is.

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By Frank Cajon, November 4, 2007 at 6:39 pm Link to this comment

For the benefit of Cyrena: the jet was as I recall without bothering to research it a PSA Flight 182, and there were 135 people on it. You know what happens to your luggage when the jet explodes in a fireball? It gets blown into little pieces of material you cound pass through a wedding ring, along with everything else, the seats, the metal everything. It took cajones for me to get on an airplane for ten years after that experience and the biggest question I had was what in the hell do they make the ‘black boxes’ out of.
Don’t worry about Conspiracytheorydig being haunted by my blogs. I have been turned back into a lurker by Godsend, yourself, and the many like-minded who do not see George W Bush as an evil fascist threat to our democracy, but instead are busy with over the top conspiracy theories about how Israeli secret agents dictating US policy and blowing up the WTC, and staging it to ‘appear’ like a terrorist act. In my opinion, you are either part of the solution or part of the problem.

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By Douglas Chalmers, November 4, 2007 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

#111580 by Louise on 11/04 at 8:11 am:

#110683 by voice of truth - “Just remember that every dollar we spend on defense gives someone a job.  At least that is better than giving it to deadbeats.”

#”...In the new and improved “stand up for totalitarianism” new and [not] improved democracy of the 21st century, there is no shortage of “growth” opportunity for the deadbeat…!”

Duh, and they all get their little bit of power to wield over people too….... Clockwork Orange, the movie - the police are more brutal than the criminals!

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By Louise, November 4, 2007 at 9:11 am Link to this comment

#110683 by voice of truth

“Just remember that every dollar we spend on defense gives someone a job.  At least that is better than giving it to deadbeats.”

Right ...

They’re working at the security screening stations in airports. And maybe packing guns on the border. And taking stun-gun training to back up the shortage of cops on the beat. And screening our emails and phone calls looking for a “terrorist” and, cheering from the sidelines when the POTUS [sorta] speaks. And writing Osama’s scripts.

In the new and improved “stand up for totalitarianism” new and [not] improved democracy of the 21st century, there is no shortage of “growth” opportunity for the deadbeat!

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By Verne Arnold, November 4, 2007 at 8:13 am Link to this comment

#111477 by Frank Cajon on 11/03 at 7:38 pm
(86 comments total)

I generally avoid this board, bored with the ranting of some. Now, back for a look and in a totally unrelated thread, another engineering discussion about jet aircraft crashes. I don’t like to talk about this, but will anyway: have any of you experts ever been on the scene of a passenger jet crash right after it happened? I have.
In 1978 my late brother and I were on a San Diego freeway driving towards the south and saw an airliner, on fire on one side, carreening towards the ground. It just missed the freeway not 1/4 mile ahead of us, crashing about three blocks away with a huge boom louder than any sonic boom, and we stopped his van, climbed a bank and then the chain link fence, and then ran three or four blocks into hell.
That jet went straight into a street, and there was nothing but fires, houses burning, little pieces of metal and plastic torn to shreds flying in the winds, and smoke. Everything smelled like smoke and kerosene. We saw three houses burning immediately and one man came out of one streaming blood, when my brother, who was a huge man and offered to help, started to talk to the guy, he ran away. We saw another lady covered with burns on her lawn, which was on fire. There were no cops or firemen there, we didn’t see anyone but us and some stunned-looking people who were in the other houses walking around. Nobody but us seemed to know a plane had crashed. We were looking for passengers from the plane. There were none, the only sign was a foot in a shoe my brother found in a pile of smoking plastic. There were no pieces of fuselage, no wings, no tail, nothing. The explosion sent pieces of metal and plastic blocks away. A police car came but was busy, then more, they talked to us, and then they sent us away. My brother had nightmares about that foot for 20 years. That night on TV we learned that big pieces of the plane went into houses and started fires, I think an entire engine through one roof, and that another plane went down a few blocks away and started more fires-there had been a midair collision, and 9 people died on the ground. I don’t pretend to be an expert on jet airliner crashes. My memories from that day are that 135 people were in that plane and were alive when we saw the plane going nose down into the East San Diego neighborhood and when we got there within five minutes, they were vaporized along with 90% of that plane the split second it hit the ground. We didn’t see a piece of that plane bigger than a baseball.
Now, all you experts can get back to you jet plane crash discussions and theories. Jesus, I haven’t talked about that day in 20 years. This board sucks. No wonder we have a Nazi president, two near-Nazi wannabe contenders for the next president, and are laundering 2 and a half trillion bucks into the pockets of US warlords over the next five years, but can’t get child health care. All you people ever talk about is how the evil Jews are taking over the world and Bush blew up the WTC. Get over yourselves.

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Frank, you got it right…I wish you peace…the wingnuts are just that…do not worry them…they will go away.

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By Greg Bacon, November 4, 2007 at 5:15 am Link to this comment

FBI: No Hard Evidence Connecting Bin Laden to 9/11

The Muckraker Report, June 6, 2006, and Ithaca Journal, June 29, 2006
Title: “FBI says, ‘No Hard Evidence Connecting Bin Laden to 9/11’”
Author: Ed Haas
http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html

Student Researcher: Bianca May and Morgan Ulery
Faculty Evaluator: Ben Frymer, Ph.D.   

Osama bin Laden’s role in the events of September 11, 2001 is not mentioned on the FBI’s “Ten Most Wanted” poster.
  On June 5, 2006, author Ed Haas contacted the Federal Bureau of Investigation headquarters to ask why, while claiming that bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 1998 bombings of US Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, the poster does not indicate that he is wanted in connection with the events of 9/11.
  Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI responded, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Osama bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.” Tomb continued, “Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11.” Asked to explain the process, Tomb responded, “The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice then decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.”

  Haas strongly suggests that we begin asking questions, “The fact that the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Osama bin Laden to 9/11 should be headline news around the world. The challenge to the reader is to find out why it is not. Why has the US media blindly read the government-provided 9/11 scripts, rather than investigate without passion, prejudice, or bias, the events of September 11, 2001? Why has the US media blacklisted any guest that might speak of a government-sponsored 9/11 cover-up, rather than seeking out those people who have something to say about 9/11 that is contrary to the government’s account?” Haas continues. “Who is controlling the media message,and how is it that the FBI has no ‘hard evidence’ connecting Osama bin Laden to the events of September 11, 2001, while the US media has played the bin Laden-9/11 connection story for [six] years now as if it has conclusive evidence that bin Laden is responsible for the collapse of the twin towers, the Pentagon attack, and the demise of United Flight 93?”


http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2008/index.htm

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By Nabih Ammari, November 4, 2007 at 4:16 am Link to this comment
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To:#111091 by Douglas Chalmers on 11/01 at 11:00 pm.
(1043 comments total)

“When the economic/financial grand game is up(very soon) the USA will be the main loser.That’s when
repudiating debt will be the next “justification” for
Bush+Co.”

For the sake of clarity to those who are unaware of the implications
involved in the above statement,
allow me to add the following comments:
-The moment Bush repudiates the U.S. debt,the dollar
will immediately collapse.It will become worthless;
just green paper which may fit for decoration or
probably for souvenir.

-Yes,indeed,all U.S. debt will vanish and Bush will
be smiling in triumph;just the way he acted with
bravado on the U.S.military carrier ship with the
big sign “Mission Accomplished” over his head,after
the fall of Baghdad,more than four years ago.

-The smile will be wiped off of his face as soon as
his advisers tell him that all American Banks have
already collapsed because of the collapse of the dollar.

Therefore,repudiating the U.S. debt is the stupidest
decision any U.S. President can do.It is an absolute
idiocy.Big Period.I do hope that this assessment will
never take place and I do also hope that the future
will show that your assessments will not happen, in-
-spite of the facts that all financial indicators and
unfavorable economical factors support such negative
assessments.
Sincerely,
Nabih Ammari
An Independent in Ohio.

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By Douglas Chalmers, November 4, 2007 at 2:40 am Link to this comment

#111477 by Frank Cajon on 11/03 at 7:38 pm: “...I generally avoid this board, bored with the ranting of some….”

Can always blog here http://english.cri.cn/ - just click “Talk China” at the top…... ckeck their “In the News” section, huh.

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By cyrena, November 4, 2007 at 2:34 am Link to this comment

Actually,

I need to make a correction, it was 30 years ago, not 40, that Frank is talking about. I’ve managed to pound the numbers off of my keyboard. (probably from writing to morons like frank cajones)

I also think those were little airplanes too, but I couldn’t swear to it. I can’t even remember the name of that airline now, since they’ve since merged and merged again. It’ll come to me. Then again, maybe not.

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By Douglas Chalmers, November 4, 2007 at 2:23 am Link to this comment

#111527 by cyrena on 11/04 at 1:20 am (1438 comments total)#111477 by Frank Cajon -

“Frank, you tried, and you blew it. Nobody believes…”

Vote cyrena for attorney-general, ha ha!!!

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By cyrena, November 4, 2007 at 2:20 am Link to this comment

#111477 by Frank Cajon

Still an asshole, eh Frank? You write this, and we get excited:

•  I generally avoid this board, bored with the ranting of some. Now, back for a look and in a totally unrelated thread, another engineering discussion about jet aircraft crashes.

We think, ah good, he’s not gonna get on his rant again. But of course, you go right ahead with this:

•  I don’t like to talk about this, but will anyway: have any of you experts ever been on the scene of a passenger jet crash right after it happened? I have.

Well gee frank cajones,

If you don’t like to talk about it, why the hell DID you? And, as a matter of fact, I HAVE been on the scene of a FEW passenger jet crashes, right after they happened. I even remember this particular one, though I wasn’t on the scene of it. So, let me tell you a few things from a professional standpoint:

There is ALWAYS an emergency response team that arrives at the scene of an air disaster, though it would make sense to pretty much any reasonable or logical person, that the location of the disaster would have a great deal to do with the timing and the quantity of the response. Still, there is ALWAYS a response. Now, YOUR timing is more than a little bit off, since you remember this accident as having occurred in 1978, and I remember it having occurred then as well. THAT WAS 40 flippin’ years ago frank, (sorry, 39) What kind of an airplane was it? Do you remember the airlines or the flight numbers involved? How do you remember the number of passengers? Did that include the passengers from the other flight that had been hit in the mid-air collision? What happened to that airplane? Did you see it burn up a bunch of houses as well?

Frank, you tried, and you blew it. Nobody believes, (at least not anyone who has actually witnessed air disasters, and made a career out of responding to them) that it was all ordinary and standard for not one piece of a rescue operation to show up at some place like the PENTAGON. And nobody that has responded to as many air disasters as I have, believes that there was NO EVIDENCE of the aircraft left. In short frank, you’re full of shit, or your memory is faulty after these 40 years.

Yes, you WOULD have smelled a kerosene type odor –IMMEDIATELY after the crash. And, it would have lasted as long as the kerosene type odor that you smell when you use it to light charcoal on a bar-b-que. Have you ever done that frank? Do you notice how when you put the lighter fluid on the charcoal, and then light it up, the stuff will burn brightly and throw off that smell for a minute or so, and then the flames die down, and the odor goes away. Tell us about those houses frank. If my own memory serves me, they were frame houses with those highly dangerous roof tiles that have been since outlawed in California, though there are structures that still have them. BUT, I could be wrong, since it’s been 40 years.

I DO understand how your brother could have been traumatized by the sight. Many of my former co-workers have experienced the same, The after-effects of such deadly disasters are horrific. Some never get over it.
But, here’s the deal frank. THERE are ALWAYS signs left behind, unless they’ve been pulverized by explosives, such as the WTC on 9/11. Or, the Pentagon, where no 757 ever crashed. Those are big airplanes frank, but not big enough to explode the towers at the WTC, and big enough to have left some trace of themselves at the Pentagon. There WAS an emergency response in NYC. (why do you think all of those police and firefighters died?) There was NOT an emergency response at the Pentagon. Not right away, (which it should have been) and NOT LATER EITHER!!

Please continue to ignore/avoid this board Frank. Your efforts are wasted on people who know better. You might also update your air disaster knowledge base. Sadly, there have been others in the past 40 years. ALL have footage and files you can access. Unless you just want to stay in denial.

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By Nabih Ammari, November 4, 2007 at 12:09 am Link to this comment
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To:#111091 by Douglas Chalmers on 11/01 at 11:00 pm.
(1043 comments total)

“When the economic/financial grand game is up(very soon) the USA will be the main loser.That’s when
repudiating debt will be the next “justification” for
Bush+Co.”

For the sake of clarity to those who are unaware of the implications
involved in the above statement,
allow me to add the following comments:
-The moment Bush repudiates the U.S. debt,the dollar
will immediately collapse.It will become worthless;
just green paper which may fit for decoration or
probably for souvenir.

-Yes,indeed,all U.S. debt will vanish and Bush will
be smiling in triumph;just the way he acted with
bravado on the U.S.military carrier ship with the
big sign “Mission Accomplished” over his head,after
the fall of Baghdad,more than four years ago.

-The smile will be wiped off of his face as soon as
his advisers tell him that all American Banks have
already collapse because of the collapse of the dollar.

Therefore,repudiating the U.S. debt is the stupidest
decision any U.S. President can do.It is an absolute
idiocy.Big Period.I do hope that this assessment will
never take place and I do also hope that the future
will show that your assessments will not happen, in-
-spite of the facts that all financial indicators and
unfavorable economical factors support such negative
assessments.
Sincerely,
Nabih Ammari
An Independent in Ohio.

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By Douglas Chalmers, November 3, 2007 at 9:50 pm Link to this comment

#111464 by Robert on 11/03 at 4:57 pm: “Incompetence or Cover-Up? The Air Force Report on the Minot-Barksdale Nuclear Missile Flight According to some reports, Cheney has even, on his own authority (or lack thereof), urged Israel to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, in hopes that Iran might retaliate, thus drawing the US into a war….....”

Compare this for size, Robert….. ‘USAF struck Syrian nuclear site’ - Nov 2, 2007 - By JPOST.COM: “The September 6 raid over Syria was carried out by the US Air Force, the Al-Jazeera Web site reported Friday. The Web site quoted Israeli and Arab sources as saying that two US jets armed with tactical nuclear weapons carried out an attack on a suspected nuclear site under construction….. The sources were quoted as saying that Israeli F-15 and F-16 jets provided cover for the US planes. The sources added that each US plane carried one tactical nuclear weapon and that the site was hit by one bomb and was totally destroyed…...” http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1192380718519&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull and scroll down…....

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By Frank Cajon, November 3, 2007 at 8:38 pm Link to this comment

I generally avoid this board, bored with the ranting of some. Now, back for a look and in a totally unrelated thread, another engineering discussion about jet aircraft crashes. I don’t like to talk about this, but will anyway: have any of you experts ever been on the scene of a passenger jet crash right after it happened? I have.
In 1978 my late brother and I were on a San Diego freeway driving towards the south and saw an airliner, on fire on one side, carreening towards the ground. It just missed the freeway not 1/4 mile ahead of us, crashing about three blocks away with a huge boom louder than any sonic boom, and we stopped his van, climbed a bank and then the chain link fence, and then ran three or four blocks into hell.
That jet went straight into a street, and there was nothing but fires, houses burning, little pieces of metal and plastic torn to shreds flying in the winds, and smoke. Everything smelled like smoke and kerosene. We saw three houses burning immediately and one man came out of one streaming blood, when my brother, who was a huge man and offered to help, started to talk to the guy, he ran away. We saw another lady covered with burns on her lawn, which was on fire. There were no cops or firemen there, we didn’t see anyone but us and some stunned-looking people who were in the other houses walking around. Nobody but us seemed to know a plane had crashed. We were looking for passengers from the plane. There were none, the only sign was a foot in a shoe my brother found in a pile of smoking plastic. There were no pieces of fuselage, no wings, no tail, nothing. The explosion sent pieces of metal and plastic blocks away. A police car came but was busy, then more, they talked to us, and then they sent us away. My brother had nightmares about that foot for 20 years. That night on TV we learned that big pieces of the plane went into houses and started fires, I think an entire engine through one roof, and that another plane went down a few blocks away and started more fires-there had been a midair collision, and 9 people died on the ground. I don’t pretend to be an expert on jet airliner crashes. My memories from that day are that 135 people were in that plane and were alive when we saw the plane going nose down into the East San Diego neighborhood and when we got there within five minutes, they were vaporized along with 90% of that plane the split second it hit the ground. We didn’t see a piece of that plane bigger than a baseball.
Now, all you experts can get back to you jet plane crash discussions and theories. Jesus, I haven’t talked about that day in 20 years. This board sucks. No wonder we have a Nazi president, two near-Nazi wannabe contenders for the next president, and are laundering 2 and a half trillion bucks into the pockets of US warlords over the next five years, but can’t get child health care. All you people ever talk about is how the evil Jews are taking over the world and Bush blew up the WTC. Get over yourselves.

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By Robert, November 3, 2007 at 5:57 pm Link to this comment

November 1, 2007

Incompetence or Cover-Up?
The Air Force Report on the Minot-Barksdale Nuclear Missile Flight

By DAVE LINDORFF

“It makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck.”

Pentagon official
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We need honest answers to some hard questions. Among them:

* Who disabled the alarm systems on those weapons and on the bunker itself?

* Who mounted six nuclear weapons on the noses of six cruise missiles and put those missiles onto a B-52 launch platform?

* Who authorized them to perform this operation?

* Who moved the armed weapons out of the Bunker at Minot AFB and mounted them on the wing of a B-52 bound for Barksdale AFB? (Barksdale, it should be noted, bills itself as the main staging base for B-52s being flown to the Middle East Theater.)

* Were the six missiles flyable? Were they fueled up and ready to fire, or were they not fueled at the time of the Minot-Barksdale flight?

* Was there targeting information in the missile’s guidance computers and if so, what were those targets?

* What happened to the three military whistleblowers who blew the whistle on this incident and reported it to a journalist at the newspaper Military Times?

* Why hasn’t the Air Force or the FBI investigated the 6-8 untimely deaths including three alleged suicides, one of a Minot weapons guard, one of an assistant defense secretary, and one of a captain in the super-secret Air Force Special Commando Group, as well as alleged fatal vehicle “accidents” involving four ground crew and B-52 pilots and crewmembers at Minot and Barksdale? Could any of this strange cluster of deaths have been related to the incident? The Air Force “investigation” didn’t even mention these incidents, and my investigation, reported in the Oct. 24 issue of the magazine American Conservative, found that none of the police investigators or medical examiners in those incidents had even been contacted by Air Force or other federal investigators.

The Secretary of Defense appears to have been upset about this incident. Secretary Robert Gates ordered an unprecedented stand-down of all air bases in mid-September to check out and account for the entire nuclear inventory, and a general was dispatched immediately to Minot after the discovery of the wayward nukes on August 30 to investigate what had happened. Following a subsequent Air Force investigation, 70 people at Minot and Barksdale AFBs were removed from their posts and decertified from handling nuclear weapons, including five officers, one of them the Minot base commander.

* But a base commander does not have the authority to order nuclear weapons to be loaded on a plane and flown. So who issued that order and why has no one at a senior level in Washington been sacked?

There is speculation that the order may have come via an alternate chain of command.

Vice President Dick Cheney is known to be pressing within the administration for a war with Iran, to be launched before the end President Bush’s second term of office. According to some reports, Cheney has even, on his own authority (or lack thereof), urged Israel to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, in hopes that Iran might retaliate, thus drawing the US into a war.

Could the nation’s war-mongering VP have used his neo-con contacts in the Defense Department or some of the Armageddon-believers in the Air Force to bypass the official chain of command and spring those nukes from their bunker?

http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff11012007.html

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By Shorey Chapman, November 3, 2007 at 5:06 pm Link to this comment
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You people are patheric.  All this chatter about Lockjeed Martin, fighter plalnes, 9/11 conspiracies is nothing but political “fantasy football.”  Lots of ego satisfaction, zero results in the real world.  It is the equivalent of someone who has a terminal neurological disease complaining about the tingling in his fingers. 

We and our planet are mere playthings in the hands of the Bush crime family and their allies in Saudi Arabia and around the world.  They are criminally insane, interested only in their own accumulation of money and power.  Too many people who should know better are riding along for their own benefit. No amount of clever discussion will ever dissuade them from their predation.  I know I’m just a foolish old man who has seen too much and is too stubborn to stop trying to make a difference, but there must be at least one other person out there who understands that we have to organize massive non-violent civil disobedience to halt the class warfare against those who are not interested in money and power,  Hello???

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By Dan Uu Noel, November 3, 2007 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

Re: 111046 by Peter Holmes

Thank you, Peter, for getting to the true bottom of this article. Scheer very correctly points to inane conspiracy theories on the internet. But he forgets that they all point to the official 9/11 commission report, which indeed is not worth the piece of hardware it resides on. The true question here is what keeps Scheer from questioning the official 9/11 fairy tale in front of a discerning audience. More interesting yet is what reason or excuse he will come up with when he finally comes out on the side of reason.

Love,

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By Bill Blackolive, November 3, 2007 at 10:52 am Link to this comment
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Cyrena, great this you do, and why do you suppose it is so hard now to get patriotsquestion911.com/media?
I am semi-computer literate, and have here in Texas no help with lame box before my daughter in Florida gets here Xmas.  She and admistrator hubby run texasgang.net but I am so out of it. I can’t even see how to get to the letter dept. at tg.net.  Meantime the kids are so blase about attack of US governwment but it looks to me we need to get better organised.  Or something, my god.

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By cyrena, November 3, 2007 at 4:09 am Link to this comment

#110607 by SamSnedegar

•  I’m not averse to giving bin Laden a cut of the ill gotten gains by Lockheed-Martin and the others, but first let him PROVE he actually had something to do with the hijackers and Mo Atta.

SamSnedegar,
You are sooo right. Not a sliver’s worth of proof that there was ever any connection between the alleged highjackers and bin Laden. And al-Qaeda remains as shadowy as it’s always been, since even at the ‘height’ of the alleged organization, (a merging of bin Laden’s group with the one of Ayman al-Zawahiri, though I’d have to recheck the dates and the original names of both groups before the merger). That’s not to say that OBL didn’t talk big about doing something like this, but there’s just never been a sliver of proof, and for whatever the reasons, the bushies didn’t seem the least bit concerned about ‘catching him’. I mean really, why didn’t they just sic the IRS on his ass if they really wanted to find him. They can find ANYBODY.

OK, let me go find out what OBL left in his will. It’s like the last few chapters of the book. It doesn’t say anything about Lock-heed Martin in the index though.

So, I’m with you and 911truthdotorg

#110586 by 911truthdotorg

•  My God, if 9/11 were an episode of Law and Order or CSI, the truth would have been discovered on the second day after the disaster.

It’s the truth. And, even if it wasn’t L & O or CSI, they would have at least figured it out by the end of the week. (Ok, so maybe even 2 months for the really detailed stuff that the NTSB generally does in real life air disasters.)

But alas, none of the standard stuff took place on 9-11. No NTSB, no disaster response teams, (at least not at the Pentagon or in that field in Shanksville, PA) and the only response teams in NYC were the locals. I don’t know if even the Port Authority showed up right away. Initially, only the NYFD. In Virginia at the Pentagon, NOBODY showed up as a disaster response team. Just one little fire truck, and I did see two workers with jackets on…one was from FEMA, and the other I can’t remember, but his jacket did have Virginia on the back of it. But, that’s it. Or, at least that’s all we ever saw. Nothing like CSI or Law and Order.

So, I don’t know what happened. Seems like they should have been able to get that basic info right from the jump. At least that’s what’s always happened in other air disasters of the past 50 years.

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By Outraged, November 3, 2007 at 1:12 am Link to this comment

“Now they’re planning the crime of the century.  Well, what will it be.  Read all about their schemes and adventures, yes, it’s well worth the fee. So roll up and see.  And they rape the universe.  How they’ve gone from bad to worse.

Who are these men of lust, greed and glory.  Rip off the masks and let’s see.”

Supertramp

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By bogi666, November 2, 2007 at 11:19 am Link to this comment
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The proper context and comparison for the 9/11 defeat of America by 19 hijackers is PANCHO VILLA’S DECLARATION OF WAR ON THE USA AND HIS INVASION OF NEW MEXICO where there were casualties. Villa was pursued by Gen. Black Jack Pershing, US army, and OBL was pursued by the US army neither was apprehended and the pursuits terminated so that other war could be conducted. The obvious similarities would suggest that the Bush administration thought this to be the proper comparison, Villa and OBL.This comparison would not satisfy the PNAC goal of another Pearl Harbor so that they could implement their plan of a soviet-fascist government for the USA.Their was not incentive to prevent or to stop the 9/11 hijackers. Bush, the Republicans and PNAC had more to gain by allowing the 9/11 hijackers succeed. On 6/1/2001 Cheney changed the intercept authorization, to intercept hijacked aircraft, was from a decentralized system to a centralized system which had to go thru Bush/Cheney/Rummy for approval to intercept.This[was?] created delays for intercept approval therefore preventing the attack to be stopped. In December 2001 intercept authorization was changed back to the decentralized system. This went unreported in the MSM, for obvious reasons.

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By steve, November 2, 2007 at 6:21 am Link to this comment
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Viewing a flotilla of destroyers at anchor in San Diego in 146 I forecast the day of naval warfare was over (except for the submarines) because it was useless against a continental enemy armed with nukes. I was wrong only because our government has since used our navy against small nations lacking a retaliatory capability. (The “Shootting fish in a barrell” analogy applies.) I believe the recent devestating fires in California proves all a terrorist needs to do to succeed is a book of matches.

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By Douglas Chalmers, November 2, 2007 at 12:00 am Link to this comment

#111081 by Mudwollow on 11/01 at 9:57 pm: “...And the nuttiest part of this whole thing is that spent on tanks and fancy airplanes doesn’t have a God damn thing to do with defending a nation from terrorist attacks….”

And “all this money” mostly comes from China and Japan and Arab oil states too, uhh! I guess GWB dosen’t really have any intention of ever bothering to pay any of it back, huh?

When the economic/financial grand game is up (very soon) the uSA will be the main loser. That’s when repudiating debt will be the next “justification” for Bush + Co.

How will they do it? Start another war, of course! But the uSA will find itself in an ever-more vulnerable position. Oil for one thing, Trade in importing essentials is another.

Obviously, no-one is going to take US$ for oil any longer - except at the point of a Cruise missile. China and India won’t budge on being bullied any more, though. They’ve played that game far enough…..

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By Mudwollow, November 1, 2007 at 10:57 pm Link to this comment

I thought the article was great. Someone, everyone should be pointing out the absurdity of building aircraft carriers to defend a nation against box cutter knives, whatever they are. The entire military buildup is a sham. When the Berlin wall fell and Russia’s might crumbled the military-industrial complex went berserk with fear that their business would be ruined. Whatever happened and however it happened at the Twin Towers, it in no way was justification for a traditional military buildup. Even wiping out the fictitious weapons of mass destruction was no excuse for a traditional military buildup. The only excuse for a traditional military buildup is that it’s a great tradition for those who make money on it. The military-industrial complex is so entrenched that it can get a nation to go along with the absurd idea that we need to buy hundreds of billions of dollars worth of hardware to defend ourselves against urban guerrillas. Even the idea of stealing natural resources starts to collapse when one realizes that this most recent Yankee boondoggle will eventually cost a couple trillion dollars. They have to sell their oil to someone and 2 trillion could fill a hell of a lot a gas tanks. And the nuttiest part of this whole thing is that all this money spent on tanks and fancy airplanes doesn’t have a God damn thing to do with defending a nation from terrorist attacks.

Hopefully that explains the original point of the box cutter knives and aircraft carriers. Not that it matters that much. Getting rid of the war on terror has the same problem as getting rid of the war on drugs. Too many mortgages attached to those ridiculous, evil and thoroughly un-American institutions.

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By Douglas Chalmers, November 1, 2007 at 9:29 pm Link to this comment

110980 by Compton Stokes on 11/01 at 1:07 pm: “Very funny Bob….. It has clearly been shown that we are being prepped for this by the administration in a manner quite similar to our “liberation” of Iraq…”

See what you’ve done now, CS? Scheer has pulled the story from the front page of Truthdig. After years interviewing presidents (and getting a few of their wives’ stories in the bedroom, too), he wants to be seen as “supporting the troops” and not like those awful bloggers from Moveon-dot-org or Code Pink!

After all, he does have a new book he wants to sell and he already has his nose out of joint because Hillary was the one president’s wife who he couldn’t get into bed with, uhh. No wonder he is always bagging her on this site. Apart from that, Bill most probably already laid one on him for ungentlemanly comments about her!?!?

Well, they always had the excuse of “liberation” to fall back on with Eye-Rak after the fake WMD’s fiasco. There are no such grand gestures applicable to Eye-Ran, though, as you say, CS.

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By Douglas Chalmers, November 1, 2007 at 9:12 pm Link to this comment

110953 by Frank on 11/01 at 11:11 am: “...If you still put stock in “Loose Change”, you must have some in your brain cavity…. As a pilot who has used a cellphone from the cockpit at altitude on several occasions (to order pizza/chinese food near Merrill Field)...”

That was in 2001, Frank, not 2007….....

Quote: “More significantly, what this carefully drafted script fails to mention is that, given the prevailing technology in September 2001, it was extremely difficult, if not impossible, to place a wireless cell call from an aircraft traveling at high speed above 8000 feet…” http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html and more at http://physics911.net/projectachilles

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By Peter Holmes, November 1, 2007 at 7:58 pm Link to this comment
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The only inane conpsiracy theory is the official one.  For anyone actually familiar with the official story, or anyone who’s read a David Ray Griffin book, or taken a look at the physics arguments proving the demolition of the towers (AE911truth.org), it is an educational experience watching others characterize those valid questions as “inane.”  If the 9/11 truth movement has nothing to it, why will not a single person stand up and debate the issues in a public forum?  Ask Thom Hartmann over at Air America, who has been searching for someone to represent the official side for quite some time now, unsuccesfully.  Further, it is an absurd position to claim that a movement with so many credible, respected and intelligent people (patriotsquestion911.com) has no merit whatsoever.  Until the evidence is addressed, which it likely will not be, the 9/11 Truth movement will continue to grow.  And finally, if this site continues to promote articles inexplicably dismissive of the very real issues of 9/11 truth, i’m gonna rename my bookmark truthbury.  Wow these bankers have left us impotent, haven’t they?

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By Louise, November 1, 2007 at 6:40 pm Link to this comment

Nothing’s ever as simple as it seems.

Did the army decide, early in the 20th century while dragging their gas run machines with horses, they had to control the oil? Or did the families who controlled the railroads, hungry to control that new wealth, decide to use the army and their need for fuel to back up oil grabs in foreign lands? Or did the guys that made those new machines press for war to bring about a need for more of those new machines? Or did some General somewhere see the new machines as silly contraptions and demand they be field tested in war to prove their value?

Is that the real truth behind the story behind the decision to drop the atom bomb on Japan?
The need for field testing?

Same question could be asked about any new weapon.
Same question could be asked about any wealthy family name with ties to railroad, oil, rubber, land, water, sugar, guns, and on it goes. Forward or back. Makes little difference.

Well, except you do keep seeing the SAME names.

It all comes back to ONE thing. Someone somewhere sees an opportunity to make a buck.
Nothing wrong with that, right?

Problem is, the same blood-lines for generations, since the discovery of oil and before, control the capital to back a new idea and the connections to put it together or take it over. And the generational thing has developed an attitude that says, “it’s my right” and there never has been accountability if things goes wrong. So anything and everything will be done to maintain the families “rights” and fortune and connections and power, and hang the consequence.

The oldest story in the world. Older than religion. Older than the wheel. As old as recorded history. The motives, real or imagined may change, but at the end of the day, nothing changes.

Hubris, arrogance, conceit, greed and a complete lack of conscience drive the hunger for more ... are the real reasons for war.

It was true when Rome “Romanized” everyone that had something they wanted, Napoleon “liberated” Spain and all their stuff, and when Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia to reunite the “German” people with anything they could steal along the way.

Oh my gosh, it never is about anything else. Not really. If it were, when we promised ourselves after Vietnam, NEVER AGAIN, it never would have happened again.

Bush used Saddam’s intention to convert to the euro as a rallying cry to the wealthy. Or was it the other way around? Rummy used the military to see if his vision of what the military should be, would work. Or was it the other way around?  And Petraeus is doing the same thing, to see if his vision of fighting counterterrorism will work. Or maybe it’s the other way around.

And Cheney? Well Cheney’s just flipping nuts!

Meanwhile as in all empires of all ages, the rich stay home and get richer. The poor fight their battles and get poorer. The victor creates slaves and gathers loot, and eventually the empire collapses under the weight of its own greed.

If the only motive were oil and the petro dollar, they would have done things very differently. As it is, they have done everything in the worst possible way to gain and maintain control of the oil.

But they daily create a need for MORE killing stuff!

“Don’t blame Bush; he didn’t do anything. He never has.” [Great line SamSnedegar #110685] He’s never had too. A long line of ancestors and relatives have done it for him.

And the payoff? Being greedy and entitled doesn’t guarantee a “moron” wont come out of the gene pool every now and again.

Maybe it’s time the “families” give a little thought to what might happen now!

Their bona-fide moron and his favorite bona-fide nut are playing with the nuclear button! And even greedy bastards that never have enough can lose it all in a nuclear holocaust!

Even when those greedy bastards are the ones who made the bomb!

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By real sense, November 1, 2007 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment
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common sense,
          you are so full of bullshit that it staggers the mind.  shame on you for buying into the bush administration’s facist, warmongering propaganda.  they are lying about the events of 9/11, the bin ladens, the war on terror and everything else.  and the facts are there for everyone to plainly see.  shame on you, sir.  shame.  on you.

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By felicity, November 1, 2007 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment

I’m so bloody old I heard President Franklin Roosevelt say, “We have nothing to fear but fear itself.”  I heard Dwight Eisehower say, “Beware of the military-industrial complex.”

Today there are far too many wimpy Americans willing to sacrifice their precious freedoms - an open society, consent of the governed, enumerated powers, pluralism, due process, transparency - all in the name of their comfort.  The American spirit has died.

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By Compton Stokes, November 1, 2007 at 2:07 pm Link to this comment
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Very funny Bob,
I told you, in person, while interviewing you 3 years ago, that everything that the U.S. was doing at the time was part of a strategy that would isolate and surround Iran, the actual target of the Saudis, Israeli’s and the U.S.. Yet I find as I look back through your latest articles on your site that you seldom make mention of the move towards armed conflict with Iran, originally over nuclear material, now over supposed supplying of arms to Iraq Insurgents. Why don’t you dig in to the barely seen reports that many of the weapons found on the insurgents actually originate in China? What is it about the upcoming conflict with Iran that you dont want to report on?
It has clearly been shown that we are being prepped for this by the administration in a manner quite similar to our “liberation” of Iraq, yet You are wasting valuable time and space on a tongue in cheek indictment of the arms industry. O.K. we know what they’re up to, have for a long time. Why don’t you start connecting some of these dots and get out in front of whats going on? Maybe yours is one of those voices who might bring enough attention to the Iran situation to inform the American public of the next disaster that is being planned for them. Don’t leave it to others. your voice is respected and feared.

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By toosinbeymen, November 1, 2007 at 1:30 pm Link to this comment
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What needs to be investigated is how much well the Carlyle private equity fund has done since 9/11. And how much the bush family fortune has increased. The bushes are heavily invested in the Carlyle group and my guess is, the Carlyle group is heavily invested in “defense” contractors.

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By Shorey Chapman, November 1, 2007 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment
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My fervent wish is that Mr. Scheer and other “liberal” columnists and pundits would stop whining about symptoms and start writing and talking about the actual causes of our present dilemma. To wit: The largest crime family in the history of the world, headed by Bush Sr. (aka: George I), primarily through the Carlisle Group (a holding company which owns large stakes in Halliburton, Bechtel, and hundreds if not thousands of the companies reaping huge profits nowadays), has succeeded in brainwashing (perhaps it should be called “brain-dirtying”) the American public and much of the rest of the world into accepting an ideology that is nothing less than a Social Darwinist eugenics scheme.

This ideology “went public” via Ronald Reagan in 1980, but has been nurtured continuously since the Robber Baron era in the late Nineteenth Century.  Most, if not all of its major adherents are devoted disciples of Ayn Rand’s philosophy of pathological individualism.  I like to call them “Econopaths.”  Their primary tools are tax cuts for the oligarchs and their “dogs in the manger,” de-regulation (economic anarchy!), privatization (a euphemism for institutionalized white collar crime - the systematic theft of our common wealth by greedy oligarchs) and excessive military adventurism (thus justifying massive handouts to the Military/Industrial complex).

Anyone who thinks this juggernaught can be stopped by clever arguments, columns or books is not paying attention.  What is desperately needed is a new incarnation of Gandhi/Martin Luther King Jr. to mobilize those who feel powerless (despite their substantial numbers), and those who know in their hearts that we are on an immoral, impractical path to ruin, to generate non-violent civil disobedience sufficient to bring this cabal to its knees.  As the world’s (supposedy) premier democracy, we should expect nothing less.

Is it too much to ask, Mr. Scheer, for a few columns on what we might DO to effect meaningful change?  You must know that our so-called “Representative” government has been hijacked by this evil ideology, Democrats no less than Republicans, so voting has become a futile exercise.  Is there no hope at all?

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By Frank, November 1, 2007 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment

“Great, but the ability to use cell phones in a plane from a height in 2001 was later rejected as absurd….... see “Loose Change” video, etc.”
If you still put stock in   “Loose Change”, you must have some in your brain cavity.

As a pilot who has used a cellphone from the cockpit at altitude on several occasions (to order pizza/chinese food near Merrill Field), I and not getting into that pointless argument again. Believe whatever you want. Those of us who know better from personal experience don’t mind that there are a minority of deluded people in the world. It gives us something to shake our heads and chuckle at.


http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=pubs-english&y=2007&m=March&x=20070330134723abretnuh0.9919245

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By Bill Blackolive, November 1, 2007 at 9:00 am Link to this comment
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I am so out of it but can “boxcutters” be this half-inch corner of metal that pops out of this handle and is used for cutting paste-board?  It does not surprise me, but this is no weapon, not between grown men.  He with the boxcutter is too subjected to being tosed and bashed and so on, whether managing to cut on the guy who beats him up.  Hum, come to remember, back in the seventies I did toss such a boxcutter, a carpenter who was rude, who when I had taken umbrage said he would cut-my-throat, this young silly guy in Austin’s earlier boom, and he had no chance to scratch me, and I got fired.  But I think citizens better approach 9/11 with realism, my god.

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By Dr. Knowitall, PhD, PhD, November 1, 2007 at 7:47 am Link to this comment

It’s the new Dustbowl, folks.  We’re all Joads being sucked dry and blown by the US Gov. sponsored MIC.

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By Common Sense, November 1, 2007 at 5:49 am Link to this comment
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Cashing in on terror is exactly what the filthy rich liberals (see: Gore, Al; Clinton, Hillary) are doing by propagating “global warming” theories.  Who do you think makes $ and gains power from that….think about it.  Oh and Al Gore owns a coal mine, in addition to a house with 9 bathrooms, look it up.

Global warming is the biggest hoax of mankind, it is a sexy thing for shades of gray idealists to buy into.  The war on terror had actual evidence of something harmful occuring (see planes flying into buildings).  By the way, when you watch videos on this stuff, realize that you cant beleive everything you see, especially on tv, and that the producers of these videos have and agenda, to encourage sheep to follow.

Thanks goodness Bush made a stand and cleaned up the mess Clinton left, who by the way had numerous chances to catch and apprehend Bin Laden et al terrorists but chose to remain a spineless do nothing.

Because of our troops sacrifice, and the sacrifice in public opinion of our current administration all you who blog sometimes flawed, opinionated, interesting & much needed (for balance) froth, can do so safely in your homes and places of work.

And for that you subconsciously are thankful for the war, b/c the terror is not at home any longer.

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By Douglas Chalmers, November 1, 2007 at 5:22 am Link to this comment

Quote: “The second Iraq war, irrationally conflated with the 9/11 attack that had nothing to do with Hussein, provided the perfect threat package to justify the most outrageous military boondoggle in the nation’s history….”

Of course, don’t lets forget that this is also about oil - not the supply of it so much as the control of it through which currency it is sold in! See Cost, Abuse and Danger of the Dollar - How do you steal oil reserves? http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6893

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By ted tyson, November 1, 2007 at 5:08 am Link to this comment

robert,
bob mcillvaine, who lost his son in the towers on 9/11, has questions about the strange collapse of building 7.  an “inane” theory floating about is that it suddenly fell at free-fall speed into its own footprint as a result of some random fires burning in the building.  it’s curious, too, that the bbc reported on this unprecedented event about 20 minutes BEFORE it happened.  actor and activist martin sheen recently admitted he, too, has doubts about the official story as pertains to this collapse and other details of that day.  what are your thoughts about this event, the NIST’s admitted inability to explain it, and the bbc’s odd clairvoyance in predicting it?

              sincerely,

              ted tyson

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By jojo {:-(, November 1, 2007 at 4:19 am Link to this comment
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In the animal kingdom,some brave females protect their young from the hungry males. In America we have the same—they eat (kill) their own for monatery gain. Problem is our females don’t care. 911 attack was contracted to Israel—we are a lowerclass animals—bottom feeders of the worse kind.
land of the brave—crock of sh!t

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By Douglas Chalmers, November 1, 2007 at 4:05 am Link to this comment

#110851 by Frank on 11/01 at 2:32 am: “...boxcutters in use were supposedly reported by Flight 93 passengers who managed to get calls out….”

Great, but the ability to use cell phones in a plane from a height in 2001 was later rejected as absurd….... see “Loose Change” video, etc.

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By Frank, November 1, 2007 at 3:32 am Link to this comment

Douglas Chalmers, boxcutters in use were supposedly reported by Flight 93 passengers who managed to get calls out. One Flight 11 caller who was a flight attendant suggested mace may have been used on the crew.

Info here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A54385-2004Jan27?language=printer

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By Douglas Chalmers, November 1, 2007 at 2:02 am Link to this comment

#110823 by Mudwollow on 10/31 at 8:02 pm: “...An aircraft carrier for every box cutter knife….’

Wow, there must be a story in this - “box cutters”, eh? Someone should interview scheer about this. Its at least his second statement on the supposed existence of boxcutters as the modus operandii for 9/11 this year.

How did he know? Was he there? How did anyone else know? Oh, they were found amongst all that wreckage?!?! They were in the cockpits? Who knew that? They should be interviewed…......

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By Mudwollow, October 31, 2007 at 9:02 pm Link to this comment

An aircraft carrier for every box cutter knife.

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By Mudwollow, October 31, 2007 at 9:00 pm Link to this comment

An aircraft carrier every box cutter knife.

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By SteveL, October 31, 2007 at 8:03 pm Link to this comment

The defense contractors for the most part deal exclusively with the government. Most would have a hard time manufacturing a sellable product.  The products they make work once if at all.  With an emphasis on if at all.

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By Jim, October 31, 2007 at 3:46 pm Link to this comment
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All you commenters keep referring to the Military Industrial Complex. I’ve always thought that Eisenhower wanted to say Military Industrial Congressional Complex but that the third part of the Complex was deleted shortly before he gave his speech. Bij now we should all know that 98%(if we’re lucky) of Congress has been in the pockets of the first two parts of the Complex for a long time. Anyone who believes that he or she is still being represented by his or her Senator or Congressman(woman) has gotta be plain nuts. Jim

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By Frank, October 31, 2007 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment

In related news…

US to speed up F-35 stealth fighter delivery to Israel
The Jerusalem Post | Oct 25, 2007 | YAAKOV KATZ

In an effort to bolster the Israel Air Force in the face of Iran’s race toward nuclear power, the Pentagon has agreed to move up delivery of its newest stealth fighter to Israel by two years, to as early as 2012, The Jerusalem Post has learned.

Last month, the IDF announced plans to purchase a squadron (at least 25 aircraft) of the fifth-generation Joint Strike Fighter. That delivery was expected to commence in 2014.

During meetings Defense Minister Ehud Barak held at the Pentagon last week, US defense officials agreed to allow Israel to begin receiving the aircraft as early as 2012, when delivery to the United States Air Force is set to begin.

Eight countries - including Britain, Turkey and Australia - are members of the Joint Strike Fighter project. Israel became a security cooperation participant after paying $20 million in 2003 for access to information accumulated during the jet’s development. The jet will be priced at between $50m. and $60m.

According to senior defense officials, Barak raised the issue with US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and asked that Israel begin receiving the stealth fighter as soon as it is operationally available.

“We asked that for every two jets manufactured for the US, one be manufactured for Israel,” a senior defense official said, adding that acquisition of the aircraft would greatly increase Israel’s deterrence as Iran races toward nuclear power.

“This plane can fly into downtown Teheran without anyone even knowing about it since it can’t be detected on radar,” the official said.

Barak also succeeded in convincing the Americans to allow Israel to install its own unique technology in the aircraft, until now a major point of contention between the Defense Ministry and the Pentagon, defense officials said. They said the Americans agreed - in principle - to allow Israel to integrate its own technology into the plane, as it had done with other fighter jets it has bought in the past from the US, such as the F-15 and F-16.

Also Wednesday, defense officials expressed concern regarding reports in the Russian media that China has signed a deal with Iran for the delivery of two squadrons of J-10 fighter jets, developed by Beijing and based on a model of the Israeli-made Lavi.

They said it was possible that Syria also would buy the aircraft, a move that would greatly enhance its capabilities. The J-10 is based on technology and components sold to China by Israel following the decision to stop development of the Lavi project in the 1980s.

According to the Russian Kommersant daily, representatives of the Iran Aircraft Manufacturing Industrial Company said China would deliver the jet by 2010. The contract’s value was $1 billion, the paper said.

According to the report, the J-10 can use detachable fuel tanks to fly to targets 2,940 kilometers away. If true, it could reach Israel and return to base. Until now, the Russian-made MiG-29 (Fulcrum) has been the Iranian fighter jet with the longest range, 2,100 km.

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By vet240, October 31, 2007 at 12:51 pm Link to this comment

This is the Military/Industrial complex at its best (worst).

Does anyone really believe that Missiles of any kind are going to deter an individuals or small group from carrying out their acts of vengence (their position) or Terrorism (our position)?

This is what the President of Iran means when he says Nuclear weapons are out-moded relics of the past.

This new move by bu$h (Haliburton, armements manufacturers) is all about the money.

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By steve, October 31, 2007 at 12:32 pm Link to this comment
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Under President Bush, the national debt is up $3 trillion, over a 50% increase in seven years. The Republicans are always cutting taxes but will never answer the question of “what level of taxes is appropriate” for the level of overall spending, which includes much higher defense and war spending, which pumps up the economy, which the Fed is also fueling with their rate cuts, meanwhile depreciating the dollar to new lows, and making all the war related companies huge profits. Half the earned income goes to the top 2% of the country, the other half goes to the “bottom” 98%.

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By GW=MCHammered, October 31, 2007 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment
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Once, I wanted to be a pacific coast weatherman. It was the only job where you could be wrong everyday and still get a paycheck. Then I saw that doctors and lawyers enjoyed the same benefit of reward without accountability. Only I didn’t like the bloody hands of either profession. But now Bu$hCo proves government employs and enjoys the same advantage. So phuck working a j-o-b responsibly anymore; it just doesn’t pay. The real money these days is in <u>killing</u>, whoops, I mean <u>building</u> democracies. I’d say, teach this to your children well but with 1 in 10 schools reporting a 40% dropout rate, the kids already have it figured out. Viva obliteration!

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By Paul_GA, October 31, 2007 at 12:22 pm Link to this comment

What of Ron Paul, Mr. Sifter? He’s not selling fear of anything but the US government—-which is taking away the American people’s rights and liberties in the name of “safety” and “security”.

Karl Liebknecht was a socialist-cum-communist, to be sure, but he was right when he said, “The enemy is at home.”

Voice of Truth, think on this, if you please, from Ludwig von Mises: “War prosperity is like the prosperity that an earthquake or a plague brings. The earthquake means good business for construction workers, and cholera improves the business of physicians, pharmacists, and undertakers; but no one has for that reason yet sought to celebrate earthquakes and cholera as stimulators of the productive forces in the general interest.”

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By rodney, October 31, 2007 at 11:57 am Link to this comment
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Political donations are the best investment that a company could make. It’s better than the stock market. Look at Halliburton,Bechtel,Blackwater,Boeing and all for the war profiteers that have contributed to both Republicans and Democrats,especially Republicans. This is the most corrupt system of payoffs and looting of a country ever known to mankind. The Arab Countries would be proud,so would the Chinese, the Russians, and the mafia. The public ripoffs from the savings and loans,Enron.and now the busted housing market all was a result of payoffs to the Republican politicans. Also the billions in profits reaped by the oil companies, the prescription drug companies ,the insurance companies, and the health care industry is the result of political payoffs. We are a nation that is being pimped by our politicans and the US citizens have become the crack whores led Pimp Bush and Mack Daddy Cheney. And just like the whore that we are, we get screwed while the pimps get payed.

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By sunnyjim, October 31, 2007 at 11:39 am Link to this comment
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Are you sure bin Laden hasn’t already got his cut? What price is freedom, Robert?

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By Mr. Sifter, October 31, 2007 at 11:16 am Link to this comment

THE Military Industrial Complex is a big reason why all the republican candidates are so intent on selling fear. Check out my blog post on the Republicans selling fear here.
http://standingbeforethefire.com/?p=53

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By Calibpatriot, October 31, 2007 at 10:32 am Link to this comment

Additional information regarding the whole 9/11 story may decide, once and for all whether or not there was a conspiracy involving The Saudies, Bin Laden and the administration. 

The fact remains, however, that the neocons, Cheney/Bush included, exploited and are exploiting 9/11 to its fullest to freighten the American public into supporting their despotic and imperial plans, and to make some no-bid companies such as Halliburton wealthy beyond their wildest dreams at the expense of the American people.

This exploitation of the American people has been at a tremendous cost to us.  We see the infrastructure, healthcare, education, social services, housing, safety standards and environmental safeguards in a shambles at the same time that the wealthiest one percent are becoming ever more wealthy

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By SamSnedegar, October 31, 2007 at 9:56 am Link to this comment

ocjim wrote:
“...We can all agree that Bush is the worst, not only president but if you admit him to the class of human being, he is the worst there as well. It’s not just that he is sociopathic, but he is a self believer. He can actually deceive himself into believing he is right…”

ummm….actually no, we cannot agree; I perceive that the fool deceives himself, but I don’t give him one single credit for being president rather than puppet. He is not the “decider,” but the front man who mouths the things he is told to say when he is told to say them. Beyond a decision between peanut butter and ham sandwiches for lunch, I doubt if the moron has made one in the six years he has been living in the white house. \

Someone may well be fool enough to have backed this congenital idiot for POTUS, but no one is foolish enough to let him BE president and actually make decisions.

A clue: I don’t think the moron knows why we are in Iraq, why we went there, or why we must stay there despite a thousand super good reasons to leave for every one for staying.

The only one for staying that matters is that if we don’t steal oil somewhere on the globe, we go broke, and all of us will be eating out of dumpsters until there is no garbage left to eat, and then we will starve.

Don’t blame Bush; he didn’t do anything. He never has.

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By voice of truth, October 31, 2007 at 9:50 am Link to this comment

Just remember that every dollar we spend on defense gives someone a job.  At least that is better than giving it to deadbeats.

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By Paul_GA, October 31, 2007 at 9:24 am Link to this comment

“...the USA can no longer strut its aggressor role in the world any longer.”

How I hope to see that day, Mr. Chalmers. I’m so tired of America being a nation of “perpetual war for perpetual peace.” As Sun Tzu said, “There’s never been a protracted war from which a country has benefitted” (other than the arms merchants, of course, curse them).

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By Bill Blackolive, October 31, 2007 at 9:19 am Link to this comment
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Scheer is some fuddyduddy else he would have found his way already to patriotsquestion9/11.com/media.  But he will worry about sundry branches of Schizoid Nation instead.

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By Douglas Chalmers, October 31, 2007 at 9:14 am Link to this comment

#110656 by Paul_GA on 10/31 at 7:07 am: “...as the late unlamented Don Rumsfeld might say, “You go to war with the army you’ve got ...” And the air force you’ve got, too….”

That’s exactly right, Paul - and you can bet that the Russians and the Chinese (and a host of their customer countries) are playing “the art of war” and not the American “politics is local” crap in that respect.

The politicians have pandered to and fed the military-industrial complex for so long that they all think that they can keep on doing it while the world sits by. The result is that you have jobs in armaments and munitions factories across the USA but they are all producing weapons which will lose the next war! You can hardly blame the Russians and Chinese for that, ha ha.

It might not come home to the USA as any kind of direct threat but it will, possibly, to its allies such as Australia. They have virtually lost their air superiority and their war games against the mythical “Kamarians” (Indonesia) are telling them that they will soon lose in any confrontation. As Indonesia and Malaysia are both Islamic states in their region and both are buying the Sukhoi stealth fighters, they are in real trouble, uhh.

As with the USA, it may be quite some time before opposing forces ever have enough stealth aircraft to launch an attack but they no longer have the same attack capabilities themselves that they did in the past. The balance of power has changed and will become more obvious as the Joint Strike Fighter struggles to equal the capabilities of Russian and Chinese aircraft. That is, the USA can no longer strut its aggressor role in the world any longer.

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By Paul_GA, October 31, 2007 at 8:07 am Link to this comment

Well, Mr. Chalmers, as the late unlamented Don Rumsfeld might say, “You go to war with the army you’ve got ...”

And the air force you’ve got, too.

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By Harvey Mozer, October 31, 2007 at 7:17 am Link to this comment
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Sorry to quibble on minor details when the issues are major, but “boondoggle” is the wrong word in describing the gains of war profiteers. It means exactly the opposite of success:—’ of little gain or value,’ i.e. ‘a failure’.

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By Douglas Chalmers, October 31, 2007 at 6:40 am Link to this comment

#110607 by SamSnedegar on 10/31 at 2:58 am: “...I’m not averse to giving bin Laden a cut of the ill gotten gains by Lockheed-Martin and the others, but first let him PROVE he actually had something to do with the hijackers and Mo Atta….”

Not so fast, SamSnedegar, ha ha. Bin Laden isn’t the only game in town. The Joint Strike Fighter development is a fabled fairyland all by itself. It is supposedly the fifth-generation “stealth” fighter aircraft but with an unknown delivery date and an unknown (already double) final cost.

Pitch that against the Russian Sukhoi Flanker which is scheduled to be in production in 2009 and via a joint venture with India is far more economical, too. The JSF is said to be only available for delivery in 2012, more likely 2018. In the meantime, China is developing its own stealth fighter. 2017 is said to be a critical year.

Also, in another dodgy deal, Condi Rice refused to sell “coalition” partner Australia the new F/A-22 stealth “Raptor” and suckered them into buying the unsuccessful and unstealthy F/A-18 Super Hornet instead. apparently, the US Navy is stuck with it as well until the JSF comes along. See “Australia” at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35_Lightning_II

That means that countries like IRAN which is taking delivery of 200 Sukhoi stealth fighters soon will be that much harder to beat if and when GWB does something really stupid, uhh. But the JSF is now said to become a “low-capability” aircraft like the unstealthy F/A-18…....

Quote: “Sukhoi kills the Super-Hornet, but will the Sukhoi kill the F-35 JSF which comes soon after?  This is a tricky question. F-35 is still in early development and many Sukhoi upgrades are yet to come, so we might use 2017 for a comparison year. Must make observation though – JSF is more «Strike» than «Fighter», and has slow, fat body and wing design. More like a pigeon than a raptor. It is designed to work with its big brother F-22. The «Pigeon» has holes in its armor that let missiles through….” http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-JSF-Analysis.html

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By ocjim, October 31, 2007 at 6:17 am Link to this comment

We can all agree that Bush is the worst, not only president but if you admit him to the class of human being, he is the worst there as well. It’s not just that he is sociopathic, but he is a self believer. He can actually deceive himself into believing he is right. And why not. He is, so far, an untouchable—untouched by the retribution of the legal system, untouched by constitutionality, untouched by the outrage of those he has harmed, untouched by the hundreds of thousands of deaths he is responsible for, untouched by an abused government system.

He is not only self-deceived, he is a user. He uses the bodies of our young to fight his war. He uses our money to rain manna on his friends. He uses the media to promote his message. He uses people world-wide for his own purposes. He uses religion to deceive. He uses our environment for his business friends.

And we sit idly by and let him do it.

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By Hammo, October 31, 2007 at 6:01 am Link to this comment

Scheer is obviously correct that war profiteering has been a major element of the invasion and occupation of Iraq, the so-called “War on Terror” and the opening up of the US Treasury “hog trough” to many who wanted to feed from it.

Some defense activities are obviously legitimate, but the massive waste and corruption during the past few years will certain go down in history as a major component of the Bush-Cheney administration and involved their many cronies and supporters.

Thoughts on this and related topics in the article ...

“Iraq War psychology: Exploring hearts and minds of American officials, journalists, average people”

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=13668

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By SamSnedegar, October 31, 2007 at 3:58 am Link to this comment

Not so fast.

I’m not averse to giving bin Laden a cut of the ill gotten gains by Lockheed-Martin and the others, but first let him PROVE he actually had something to do with the hijackers and Mo Atta.

There have been several prosecutions in absentia for various terrorists over the years, but none for bin Laden, I think primarily because the lawyer who would be assigned to his defense would try to make the prosecution (a) prove bin Laden was alive to stand trial if he could be found and apprehended, and (b) prove bin Laden ever had any contact at all with Mo Atta.

That’s just for starters before the trial can begin; then you have to have some kind of actual evidence that an alive bin Laden did actually provide the hijackers with monetary and intellectual support, something which has yet to be done to my satisfaction, despite the broken promise by Colin Powell that he would produce the proof that bin Laden was the architect and engineer of the attacks on the WTC and Pentagon.

Tony Blair put up a web site with HIS “proof” that bin Laden was complicit in the attacks on nine eleven: he said “who else could it have been?” and that was the entirety of his “proof.”

Oh, I am well aware that various communications have been received which might lead one to believe that bin Laden and a mysterious group called al Qa’ida did indeed take “credit” for the attacks, but taking credit for something stupid and stupendous doesn’t mean that you had anything to do with it, just that you are stupid enough to SAY you did.

I was amused at the report that bin Laden was seen in Tora Bora as late as 2007; they didn’t say so, but he was probably traveling with Elvis and perhaps Judge Crater and Jimmy Hoffa.

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By John F. Butterfield, October 31, 2007 at 1:52 am Link to this comment

Couldn’t Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, General Dynamics, and others work to help solve the global warming problem instead of making war. Perhaps they could work on better mass transit or better energy production.

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By 911truthdotorg, October 30, 2007 at 10:13 pm Link to this comment

My God, if 9/11 were an episode of Law and Order or CSI, the truth would have been discovered on the second day after the disaster.

But there was no forensic investigation of the biggest crime in US history at all. Only a political whitewash, cover-up, almost two years after the fact.

The bush crime family, including Halliburton, Blackwater, GE, Boeing, etc, were the ONLY ones to benefit.

That’s the first clue.

Google videos: 9/11 Press for Truth, Loose Change 2nd Edition, 9/11 Mysteries, Terror Storm

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